(04-26-2011, 09:05 AM)Nalx Wrote: It's your constant picking on of Ibra's wage based on a handful of performances while refusing to acknowledge his overall contribution throughout the season that I'm questioning about. I mean, why now, and why it's always him? Pirlo was injured most of the season but he was awful for the majority games he played these last few years. The same can be said about Seedorf and Flamini. They earn big money too. But if this wage thing is of your utmost concern then why is Ibra this, Ibra that you always come up with?
I want flamini out. I may not have posted here but trust me. For 2 years I've been asking for him to be sold. Decent enough squad player but not starting material. Can't play DM. Isn't skilled enough going forward (like boateng etc. etc.)
Seedorf and Pirlo are still class. There misuse has been the problem. As we're seeing with Seedorf now (and we saw w/ Pirlo early season). Give them space they will kill you. They are still two of best passers in serie a. And yeah, I'm bias. They've given me a lot of found memories. Ibra has not. I'm not throwing out a player I rate as a milan legend for flavor of the week.
All that said, they do need to take a wage reduction. If they don't sadly, they can leave.
I'm just saying Ibra makes a sizeable difference more. The amount he makes an amount where you'd think 'we need ibra to win'. We don't. We need Thiago Silva to win. Everyone else is replaceable.
Quote:Inter 11 players working for Ibra? Well, let me ask you, result-wise, did they win something? How many scudetto did they win this way? Zip? One or two? Nope, in the last seven years that overpaid lazy whining sob won phucking SEVEN domestic league titles, including FIVE in Italy. Isn't that something? If you're not interested in that, suit yourself mister, I am. UCL has always been our main target, we can work on that next year, but first thing first. And what can be better than a seven-year tried and tested option?
And how far did they get in ucl? It was same deal as us this year. They couldn't break down teams cause they were too one dimensional.
All I'm saying is, have you not seen way we played without him? With Robinho/pato? Is that a problem? I'd rather replace him with a cheaper LESS TALENTED CF who moves and is capable of scoring/leading line (like pippo for ex. when he was younger. Was he talented as Ibra? No).
You're fooling yourself if you believe we'll buy more than one big money player. We'll get just Ganso I believe (and if not him, another CAM). If we dropped ibra, replaced him with someone on a low fee like Forlan/Fabiano/etc. heck if jube don't sign both quagliarella and matri one of that duo would work as 4th striker
Quote:And how come you said that it's all about Ibra and not the team? I never knew he acted like a primadonna. If it's for footballing reason that you meant, I respectfully disagree too. I think people are exaggerating when they say that lump-it-to-Ibra has been the plan A for the teams where Ibra has been playing the last seven years. It criminally overlooks his ground skill. I think plan B would be more appropriate because when it sometimes happens, it's when his teammates are getting nervous towards the end of the game do they start playing that way. But not for most of the time because Ibra, despite of his appearance, is far more accomplished than your ordinary big, traditional CF.
Respectfully I disagree. Ibra whenever a match gets tough gets a 'solo' mentality. Seriously go re-watch matches. He stops working for the team, stops passing, stops his interchanging play. And he tries to win matches by himself. It may work v. smaller sides but it's cost him in ucl for nearly a decade?
I don't doubt guys desire to win, but he's selfish.
And you don't think he acts like a premadonna? Go tell Pato, Robinho and others who he cusses out on the pitch cause he didn't like there passes. Go tell Messi, Pedro, Bojan and barca who sold him for this reason.
For his talent he should have a balon d'or and a ucl title. But he's never proven to be a quality team player. Regardless of his demeanor off the pitch (to me he comes across like a decent guy)
Quote:Every team in every league must have some kind of cornerstone, the player(s) on which the play is built. It's inevitable that the teams base their play on their best player(s) and not the other way around. And in a league known for his tactical discipline where the park-the-bus tactic seems more and more often choosen, isn't it nice to have a striker capable of both playing with the ball at his feet when playing in an open game, as well as a rampaging bulky forward when the opponents defend deep and in numbers? How many strikers do you know capable of handling those two roles? Very, very few IMO, thus as a consequence, his price/wage is pretty high.
Slightly overrated. Did Milan struggle to score with Pippo at CF? He's not strong like Ibra. Movement, intelligence and quickness can compensate. We upgrade creativity in our midfield we don't have a problem.
You'd think from the park-the-bus tactics, robinho would flop. He hasn't. He's been wonderful. Very consistent week in week out, just his finishing has been a problem
Quote:Long story short, he suits the style the league we're playing in, he's willing to work even harder for the team (to you he's just taken 3 months off but I sided with Sacchi and acknowledged his effort on this); expectedly he had his fair share of bad days too, and even got sent off one or two times too many, but both from business and footballing point of views, I think he's a good deal.
Yeah, early season he was a different player. But you know I wouldn't complain about 2-3 weeks of bad form. We're essentially talking 3 months good 3 months bad. And his bad form is very reminiscent of all the things that he got criticized for at jube, inter and barcas. Being a soloist, being selfish
I would not mind seeing Milan pursue Nasri if we don't get Ganso. He has supposedly going to be sold if he doesn't renew (like Ozil). IMO he's perfect trequartista. Movement, dribbling, pace, vision. Also adds formation versatility which is always a plus.
20 mil seems to be figure.
Anyway I've always liked him centrally free roaming than on wing. But I gues when you got fabregas you gotta find ways to play both. It's not surprising he's had his best performances without cesc.
(04-26-2011, 04:07 PM)WCmilan Wrote: Suarez is really good I like him too but guys PATO will be the best striker in the world soon.
I love Suarez. Different type of player. Pato is more a predator. It's a pity we didn't get Suarez. Braida has been on him for years...Suarez/Pato would have made the world cry. Perfect combo.
On that note, Uruguay will be a force to rekon with again come WC2014. Suarez/Cavani will both be 27. Abel Hernandez is coming up. Gaston Ramirez too! They got good defenders and midfielders who will still be around. and surprise of them all, remember tablare Viudez? Has put in good performance in libertadoes, almost sinking Fluminese. People said he was 1 of MOTM performers :O
