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rae

13-12-2004, 09:37

Solskjaer raises hopes of return

Manchester United striker Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said he hoped to return next season following a career-threatening injury to his right knee.
The 31-year-old Norway international had surgery in Sweden in August to transplant cartilage into the joint.

"I'm in no doubt that I'll play again," Solskjaer told Aftenposten Daily.

"The problem will be the speed but we're talking about eight months' time. It's going as it should with the knee. I'm slavishly following a programme."

Solskjaer last played for United as a late substitute in May's FA Cup final win over Millwall.

His contract with United runs out in 2006, by which time he will have been at the Premier League club for 10 years.

20 Legend :proud:

Rapierist

14-12-2004, 01:20

rae

15-12-2004, 09:19

Points dropped again. We're making it very very difficult for ourselves. We should have scored more. :rolleyes:
Ole would made the score... believe me :D

I have read somewhere that Shay Given is disappionted and wants to leave NUFC.... we may take him IMO.... cuz he is one of my most beloved goalkeepers...:D

:mex:

Stezagud

15-12-2004, 12:16

It would be good to see Ole back in action. I have never seen anyone as clinical as him in front of goal (and that includes Ruud). Its like he is always in the right place at the right time.

I remember seeing a video in which he helped the training of Utds youth team. Ole was demonstrating how to volley and he simply said "you do it like this" at this point the other trainer started floating crosses over and he smashed all of them in, right foot, left foot, the keeper didnt stand a chance :D then the camera panned round to show the kids he was teaching, who were all stood silently in awe :proud:

Points dropped again. We're making it very very difficult for ourselves. We should have scored more.

Its all the more annoying because at times in the first half we tore them to shreds. The game should have been over as a contest by half time and we end up letting them have a point :mad: we are'nt gonna get many better chances to catch the leaders....

I have read somewhere that Shay Given is disappionted and wants to leave NUFC.... we may take him IMO.... cuz he is one of my most beloved goalkeepers...

He is a fine keeper. I read that he has finally grown tired of Newcastles calamatous defending, saying it is harming his reputation. I think the main problem he will have in securing a move is that he signed a new contract not too long ago so the newcastle board will probably price him out of the market.

Nata

15-12-2004, 20:27

I`m back...to crush United again! :D lol jk

XZeRo3003

15-12-2004, 22:19

I`m back...to crush United again! :D lol jk

Maybe, you're kidding, but I'M back to crush United!!! AND I'M NOT KIDDING!!!!

GO GUNNERS GO!!!!!

Rapierist

16-12-2004, 00:23

GO GUNNERS GO!!!!!

Yeah. Go Gunners. We'll see how far they can ;)

then the camera panned round to show the kids he was teaching, who were all stood silently in awe

Not the best way to teach kids though. ;) To perform so flawlessly, and then ask the kids to repeat that (which I'm sure they must have tried to do).

But he is brilliant, isn't he? I bet if he were playing in defence and a cross was floated into the penalty area, you'd still find Ole there looking to score. Its just his natural instinct.

Its all the more annoying because at times in the first half we tore them to shreds.

But we switched off in the second. We're trying too hard to be Juve (which is not a very good thing to do).

I have read somewhere that Shay Given is disappionted and wants to leave NUFC.... we may take him IMO.... cuz he is one of my most beloved goalkeepers...

He is a very good goalkeeper, but prone to the "one howler per month" syndrome. I don't know if that is because of the shaky defence in front of him or not. He is quite short too to be a commanding goalkeeper (like Barthez, who was a fantastic stopper but never inspired confidence).

rae

16-12-2004, 07:04

I`m back...to crush United again! :D lol jk
let`s do it together...:D
Maybe, you're kidding, but I'M back to crush United!!! AND I'M NOT KIDDING!!!!

GO GUNNERS GO!!!!!
you are not welcomed here with such slogans.... please keep quite ;)Originally Posted by Stezagud
I have read somewhere that Shay Given is disappionted and wants to leave NUFC.... we may take him IMO.... cuz he is one of my most beloved goalkeepers...
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: ...man, it's my words.... I have writen them....:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Rapierist

16-12-2004, 11:19

...man, it's my words.... I have writen them....

Sorry.......................

argo

16-12-2004, 12:17

...
Points dropped again. We're making it very very difficult for ourselves. We should have scored more. :rolleyes:
yeah.. WTF it was.. I woke up 3 a.m. to see the match then only 1 point we could grab. :depress: We dropped points just 3 mins from time!!

seemed like we played as 11 players, not as 1 team. Ronaldo, Giggs, Rooney and Scholes have pushed themselves too hard just to pass over defenders.. then eventually they lost the ball..

anyhow, Bouba Diop's goal was amazing.. in-swinging longshots are always unpredictable, Carrolls just couldn't reach the ball..

btw, have you guys read this?

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=244584&lid=2&cpid=5&title=Sir+Alex:+We'll+get+Milan&channel=Football_Home

Sir Alex: We'll get Milan

Sir Alex Ferguson thinks Manchester United are destined to meet Milan in the next phase of the UEFA Champions League.

The United boss has given his views ahead of Friday's draw for the knockout stages in Nyon and believes The Red Devils are long overdue a pairing with last season's Serie A scudetto winners.

The two clubs last met in Europe in 1969 and former Old Trafford favourite Jaap Stam has already indicated that he would love to return to his old stamping ground.

"We've played Monaco, Inter Milan and Bayer Leverkusen twice," Ferguson told United's official website.

"We've played against Juventus so many times.

"The only team that we haven't met is AC Milan, but I think fate will probably throw them our way.

"I have that feeling."

United finished second in their qualifying group behind Lyon, after surrendering their advantage over the French champions by slumping to a 3-0 hiding at the hands of Fenerbahce when Ferguson fielded a shadow side.

Consequently, United will face one of five teams in February and March - Milan, Juventus, Internazionale, Monaco or Leverkusen.

Stezagud

16-12-2004, 12:42

GO GUNNERS GO!!!!!

from 1st to 3rd in the space of a month, it seems they are certainly going somewhere ;)

Not the best way to teach kids though. To perform so flawlessly, and then ask the kids to repeat that (which I'm sure they must have tried to do).

Maybe its not the best way to go about it, but the alternative was Diego Forlan and we definately dont want our future stars learning his habits :D

seemed like we played as 11 players, not as 1 team. Ronaldo, Giggs, Rooney and Scholes have pushed themselves too hard just to pass over defenders.. then eventually they lost the ball..

yeah, there were too many heroes out there :rolleyes: in fact there is a rumour that after the game Alan Smith started shouting at Ronaldo going for glory instead of making a simple pass (the chance in the 2nd half when he could have given Smith a tap-in...) Ronaldo started arguing back and things got bad, with Ronaldo storming out shouting stuff in Portuguese :eek: If its true then this is certainly not good for team spirit but Fergie will sort it out :D

"The only team that we haven't met is AC Milan, but I think fate will probably throw them our way.

"I have that feeling."

I've felt the same since the start of the season but its not good to here Fergie saying that :(

argo

16-12-2004, 12:52

from 1st to 3rd in the space of a month, it seems they are certainly going somewhere ;) yeah.. and what the hell is EVERTON doing up there?? :D

yeah, there were too many heroes out there :rolleyes: in fact there is a rumour that after the game Alan Smith started shouting at Ronaldo going for glory instead of making a simple pass (the chance in the 2nd half when he could have given Smith a tap-in...) Ronaldo started arguing back and things got bad, with Ronaldo storming out shouting stuff in Portuguese :eek: If its true then this is certainly not good for team spirit but Fergie will sort it out :DShall we see another "flying boot"? :D
IMO Sir Alex should play Ronaldo as a striker, so he would shoot from a closer range. :rotfl:

I've felt the same since the start of the season but its not good to here Fergie saying that :(I would love to see that match.. but only in final...

XZeRo3003

16-12-2004, 14:12

you are not welcomed here with such slogans.... please keep quite ;)

Well you're JUST gonna have to put up with them....
:hah2:

GO GUNNERS GO!!!!!

Yeah. Go Gunners. We'll see how far they can

Yeah, I guess we will see. Their patchy season is drying off, don't expect to see them flail ALL season, cuz if that's what you're expecting from them....well..... then you'll be in for a shock in janurary. OMG I can't wait until Gilberto comes back

yeah.. and what the hell is EVERTON doing up there??

well I guess we can blame that on Man U, no? I mean, if you hadn't taken their best player from them things would have been VEEEERY different

Nata

16-12-2004, 16:11

Ok Ok Ok..you guys talk too much :D
Now ..If Stam back for the 'Milan-United match' United is screwed!

This is purrfect! I totaly want to face them :D

Stezagud

16-12-2004, 16:25

yeah.. and what the hell is EVERTON doing up there??

Im sure its part of the Rooney deal, we let them pretend to be a big club again and annoy Liverpool fans in the process :D

Shall we see another "flying boot"?
IMO Sir Alex should play Ronaldo as a striker, so he would shoot from a closer range.

Fergie wouldnt be able to hit him anyway, Ronaldo is an expert diver and would surely jump out of the way :)

Yeah, I guess we will see. Their patchy season is drying off, don't expect to see them flail ALL season, cuz if that's what you're expecting from them....well..... then you'll be in for a shock in janurary. OMG I can't wait until Gilberto comes back

Gilberto?! :eek: he's hardly a sliky skills and great vision type :dielaugh: i'd go as far as to say that Fabregas is already a better player. Anyway, as far as i know Wenger is likely to sell Gilberto next summer, if he can find anyone who wants to pay for him :D

Ok Ok Ok..you guys talk too much
Now ..If Stam back for the 'Milan-United match' United is screwed!

:D i think more likely its Stam who is screwed. Utds medical team know all about his dodgy ankle and will pass the word onto Ruud, who is well trained in the art of kicking defenders (just ask Ashley Cole ;) )

XZeRo3003

16-12-2004, 16:33

Ok Ok Ok..you guys talk too much :D
Now ..If Stam back for the 'Milan-United match' United is screwed!

This is purrfect! I totaly want to face them :D

Hahaha WORD!!! They'll be f***ed over SO bad!

Nata

16-12-2004, 17:15

I predict 5-0! LoL jk..that`s perhaps a lil too high...I`m going with 2-1 then..fineee Ruud can score 1 goal..sheesh.

Stezagud

16-12-2004, 17:41

I`m going with 2-1 then..fineee Ruud can score 1 goal..sheesh.

I completely agree, Ruud can score 1 and Rooney the other ;)

Nata

16-12-2004, 17:55

Dude no way !!
I thought you were a Milanista :(

Stezagud

16-12-2004, 18:03

Against any other team yes, but i've been a Utd fan for longer than i can remember and IF this game happened thats where my loyalty would lie :dcool:

but in an ideal world, Utd will draw Inter and Milan will draw Arsenal, and then both Utd and Milan will be glad to see each other win :D

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 04:27

I don't think I'll watch the matches if United do draw Milan.

But the way Milan fans are thinking is ridiculous. From the way United play, its like they're ideally suited to play a team like Milan. United would have a much better chance of going through of they drew Milan compared to if they drew a Spanish team.

United don't mind when teams defend deep (which Milan do). They are used to it. They have enough decent midfielders to win a midfield battle. They have a good defence. And they have Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

And they have enough nutters to mess up the skilfull play of Seedorf, Pirlo and Kaka.

I reckon United have as much chance of winning it as Milan.

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 05:07

Yeah, I guess we will see. Their patchy season is drying off, don't expect to see them flail ALL season, cuz if that's what you're expecting from them....well..... then you'll be in for a shock in janurary. OMG I can't wait until Gilberto comes back

And what the hell can Gilberto do? Unless thay actually develop an expansive passing game and not just chase long balls down with 'pacey' players, they'll struggle.
It was not patchy form. They have been found out. Against teams who defend deep, Arsenal cannot score.

Lombardia

17-12-2004, 06:52

ferguson is a psyhic!

Henrik

17-12-2004, 06:57

Quick vote: which people posting in this thread actually want Milan to win?

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 08:23

I want Milan to win. But I also want United to win.

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 09:14

Barca may be all the bollocks right now, but I don't think they'll make it past Mourinho's dire Chelsea.

Reza

17-12-2004, 11:41

ferguson is a psyhic!

Strange thing is I saw a quote from Mourinho saying he wants Barca and it also happened.
Really good matchups early in the CL this year and ofcourse this one's the biggest (bigger than Juve-Real imo ;) ) I think Milan matchup very well in pretty much every position against ManU, just have to watch out the against the wide play of Ronaldo. Lots of good games in February and March for sure.

Haroon

17-12-2004, 11:55

Lights out suckaaaas! :devil:

Where's Stezagud? Want to go to Manchester to see the Red Devils massacred by THE DEVIL? :devil:

Reza

17-12-2004, 12:33

Here at MM I got an email (looks authentic to me) from a BBC journalist wanting to talk to a UK based Milan fan about the draw...anybody interested?

Lombardia

17-12-2004, 12:51

yeah why not, it'd be a laugh, i'm up for it as long as its 100% genuine

Stezagud

17-12-2004, 12:58

ferguson is a psyhic!

another talent to add to his list :D strangely though, i said this would happen in pre-season, it just seemed..obvious somehow?

Quick vote: which people posting in this thread actually want Milan to win?

i have to be honest and say i want Utd to win but if Milan did then i wouldnt be too unhappy, its better than being knocked out by Porto like last
year :rolleyes:

Barca may be all the bollocks right now, but I don't think they'll make it past Mourinho's dire Chelsea.

Chelsea have a better balance to their side, if they played 10 times i'd back Chelsea to win 6. Barca have the "moment of magic" factor which could get them past anyside though, that tie is going to be close :cool:

I think Milan matchup very well in pretty much every position against ManU, just have to watch out the against the wide play of Ronaldo.

Utd are used to playing 5 across midfield so to play a side that isnt aiming to draw 0 - 0 will be a welcome change :D

This game could hinge on Rooney and Kaka. positionally Rooney is very awkward to stop unless you commit a player solely to the task. Pirlo isnt really the type who could/should do it so Gattuso may have to, which will leave gaps elsewhere....likewise Utd dont really have a player who can stop Kaka now, Keane hasnt got the legs to do that sort of work anymore, which could lead to Phil Neville doing another of his hatchet jobs :dielaugh:

I think Milan will edge it though, home advantage in the 2nd leg will make a big difference if they manage to keep Utd out at Old Trafford.

Stezagud

17-12-2004, 13:05

Where's Stezagud? Want to go to Manchester to see the Red Devils massacred by THE DEVIL?

no way, im watching this on TV, if its gets too bad at least i can turn it off :D

I dont think there'll be much of a massacre though, even in that pre season friendly it was 1 - 1, and that Utd side had Bardsley, Eagles and Richardson etc in it ;)

XZeRo3003

17-12-2004, 13:23

Gilberto?! :eek: he's hardly a sliky skills and great vision type :dielaugh: i'd go as far as to say that Fabregas is already a better player. Anyway, as far as i know Wenger is likely to sell Gilberto next summer, if he can find anyone who wants to pay for him :D

On attack, Cesc would be better than Gilberto any day, taking into account only their skills. But Gilberto's football experience and more importantly his experience on Arsenal are more valuable to the team. I can assure you Arsenal's problem is not on attack. They DID go through a patch, and while it is tough for them to attack against teams that defend deep, Arsenal's offense is by FAR the best in the league, if I'm not mistaken they have at least 10 more goals than their nearest rivals. The fact of the matter is that Gilberto and Vieira were having a GREAT understanding, and they were just plugging the middle of the midfield, rarely did the opponent attack them comfortably through the middle. Nonetheless, this affected the entire team when they played defence.

Arsenal's problem is CLEARLY on defense, there's no question about that. That's why we need Gilberto, we can sacrifise Cesc's offense for Gilberto's defense.

AND YAY!!!! WHAT A PREDICTION NATASA!!! MILAN - MANU!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE SO DEAD!!!!!

If we do indeed get Stam back, you're CL season is over in February; I would put 50 US dollars on it.

Stezagud

17-12-2004, 13:32

On attack, Cesc would be better than Gilberto any day, taking into account only their skills. But Gilberto's football experience and more importantly his experience on Arsenal are more valuable to the team.

of all Vieira's potential partners i actually thought Edu was the best, but it seems he will be leaving in a few weeks unless they sort his contract out.

Arsenal's problem is CLEARLY on defense, there's no question about that. That's why we need Gilberto, we can sacrifise Cesc's offense for Gilberto's defense.

did you read about Wenger targetting Ledley King? he is a very good centre back (Englands 5th best IMO) but the price quoted is £20m :eek: Maybe the plan would be to shift Toure to play alongside Vieira, i think he was a midfielder originally so it wouldnt be to hard to change back.

If we do indeed get Stam back, you're CL season is over in February; I would put 50 US dollars on it.

$50? its a deal !

and as the second leg is in March i cant lose :D

XZeRo3003

17-12-2004, 13:48

of all Vieira's potential partners i actually thought Edu was the best, but it seems he will be leaving in a few weeks unless they sort his contract out.
True. Edu DID pimp up the midfield. I mean Pump... naaaa, actually I mean PIMP. Or better yet, PIUMP (little inside joke here :u56: )!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:

did you read about Wenger targetting Ledley King? he is a very good centre back (Englands 5th best IMO) but the price quoted is £20m :eek: Maybe the plan would be to shift Toure to play alongside Vieira, i think he was a midfielder originally so it wouldnt be to hard to change back.

Yeah, I haven't seen him play much. But I'd prefer the 5th best centre-back of almost any other country (for personal biased reasons if ya really want to know)

$50? its a deal !

and as the second leg is in March i cant lose :D

hahaha, then a deal it is my friend! Yes, what a chu- :v46: DAMMIT!!!

:pom:

Stezagud

17-12-2004, 14:02

Yeah, I haven't seen him play much. But I'd prefer the 5th best centre-back of almost any other country (for personal biased reasons if ya really want to know)

how about Italy's? you'd have a fair chance of getting Matterazi :D

why are you biased against my green and pleasant land anyway :undecide: :cool: it doesnt really bother me (most people dislike us for one reason or another :D ) but if its something in particular then at least i'll be able to add it to my "list of things not to do" if i ever visit the states :D

XZeRo3003

17-12-2004, 14:22

how about Italy's? you'd have a fair chance of getting Matterazi :D

why are you biased against my green and pleasant land anyway :undecide: :cool: it doesnt really bother me (most people dislike us for one reason or another :D ) but if its something in particular then at least i'll be able to add it to my "list of things not to do" if i ever visit the states :D

no no no lol. I'm not biased against England or anything. I'm kinda biased againt british football in particular. As a kid I didn't used to watch much European football, but for some reason I just hated the british football. There was something about the british football that would turn my guts, I don't know what exactly. Anyways, I've almost rehabilitated from that problem, except it's kinda hard for me to accept that an English player is good unless I actually watch them. ie, Scholsey. I used to hate his guts for some reason, until I realized how great of a player he is for Man U. Now I guess I could say that I uhhhh......I uh...... KINDA.... like him....... *gulp*. Anyways, England defenders are still at a lower level than italy defenders, at least in my book.

Plus, I think your 'accent' is kinda charming.

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 14:38

I can assure you Arsenal's problem is not on attack. They DID go through a patch, and while it is tough for them to attack against teams that defend deep, Arsenal's offense is by FAR the best in the league, if I'm not mistaken they have at least 10 more goals than their nearest rivals.

Yeah but most of those goals came before the massacre at Old Trafford. Three, Four, Five in each match before that, even while their defence was leaking at least a goal per game. Then they dried up and even the odd goal scored by the opposition which didn't seem like a big deal before became a threat in every match.

Yes, they did not have a Plan B, that is, what to do when teams defend deep. They were scoring for fun with all those long balls and crosses along the ground on the counter attack.

For people who don't remember, United abandoned that style of play back in 1995 because they wanted to crack Europe (where most teams defend deep).

AND YAY!!!! WHAT A PREDICTION NATASA!!! MILAN - MANU!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE SO DEAD!!!!!

Man, you don't know what Manchester United are made of.

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 14:47

There was something about the british football that would turn my guts, I don't know what exactly.

Players always running??

Always trying to score rather than kill games off with possession football (none of that catenaccio stuff)??

Crunching tackles that were hard but never malicious??

The identification of a stadium, a manager and club colours distinctly with the club (which is not really seen in European football as managers and clubs dump each other with alarming regularity and teams share stadia)??

And pre-1995, players' refusal to take dives to gain an advantage???

:rolleyes:
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I can understand you not watching English football because the team you support isn't from England.

But hating British football without any particular reason? :p231:

XZeRo3003

17-12-2004, 14:47

Man, you don't know what Manchester United are made of.

PSHHH, of course I do! Donkeys and Ogres! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 14:50

how about Italy's? you'd have a fair chance of getting Matterazi :D

Materazzi at Arsenal? That would be brilliant!! :haha:

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 14:51

PSHHH, of course I do! Donkeys and Ogres! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Donkeys can kick people's heads off and Ogres tear people apart :D

Stezagud

17-12-2004, 14:53

I'm not biased against England or anything. I'm kinda biased againt british football in particular. As a kid I didn't used to watch much European football, but for some reason I just hated the british football. There was something about the british football that would turn my guts, I don't know what exactly

it certainly is a different style :D

I actually miss the old days of proper British football, the game is more continental now which has certainly improved the skill levels but taken away some of the passion.

Anyways, England defenders are still at a lower level than italy defenders, at least in my book.

i suppose Rio has a good opportunity to change your mind :cool:

Rio, Campbell, Terry, Woodgate (when fit) and King are all quality centre backs though, i think England is possibly the most blessed nation in the world when it comes to centre backs at the moment...

Plus, I think your 'accent' is kinda charming.

I take it you've never heard a midlands accent then :D Ozzy Osbourne is a midlander and technically speaks with the same accent as me but after his years of substance abuses i think he is pretty much uninteligable to all :dielaugh:

Stezagud

17-12-2004, 14:59

Players always running??

Always trying to score rather than kill games off with possession football (none of that catenaccio stuff)??

Crunching tackles that were hard but never malicious??

The identification of a stadium, a manager and club colours distinctly with the club (which is not really seen in European football as managers and clubs dump each other with alarming regularity and teams share stadia)??

And pre-1995, players' refusal to take dives to gain an advantage???

ahh yes, the good old days :D

For people who don't remember, United abandoned that style of play back in 1995 because they wanted to crack Europe (where most teams defend deep)

the 4 - 0 loss to Barca was a major turning point. As you say, we had no plan B, so even when it was obvious they would tear us apart we just kept attacking anyway :rolleyes:

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 15:01

I take it you've never heard a midlands accent then :D Ozzy Osbourne is a midlander and technically speaks with the same accent as me but after his years of substance abuses i think he is pretty much uninteligable to all :dielaugh:

I love Black Sabbath! Ozzy Osbourne is one of the best vocalists ever.
He still has the accent (none of his idiotic family do though) and he isn't exactly unintelligible.

So do you support any Midlands teams?

Stezagud

17-12-2004, 15:06

I love Black Sabbath! Ozzy Osbourne is one of the best vocalists ever.
He still has the accent (none of his idiotic family do though) and he isn't exactly unintelligible.

Robert Plant is a local too, so 2 of the most famous voices in rock are midlanders :dielaugh: i've never seen him interviewed though so im not sure if he still has the accent...

So do you support any Midlands teams?

no, my parents brought me here when i was born but my roots are very much northern and i did what everyone else in my family did, support Utd :D

Rapierist

17-12-2004, 15:11

Robert Plant is a local too, so 2 of the most famous voices in rock are midlanders :dielaugh: i've never seen him interviewed though so im not sure if he still has the accent...

I've never seen Robert Plant interviewed either. John Paul Jones and Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin) both speak English without much of an accent, I think.

almilan

17-12-2004, 16:42

Here at MM I got an email (looks authentic to me) from a BBC journalist wanting to talk to a UK based Milan fan about the draw...anybody interested?

im not uk but im near enough with Ireland if that qualifies (man u have 3 Irish players Keane, O'shea & Miller), i would not mind doing it

Giovanni

17-12-2004, 18:22

steza matey

who are you gonna cheer for?

you knew this choice and question would have come sooner or later

i won't blame if you choose man u but speaking for myself i couldn't be divided in two

almilan

17-12-2004, 18:23

yeah its impossible to be divided between 2 teams when they are playing

Haroon

17-12-2004, 18:25

Here at MM I got an email (looks authentic to me) from a BBC journalist wanting to talk to a UK based Milan fan about the draw...anybody interested?

I'm in London. You bet I'm interested. After all it is the club I love the most against the club I despise the most. :devil:

Josy7

17-12-2004, 18:25

when they drew them together it was one of the worst feelings in my life :delol: .. :v46: :( :( i my self will go for man united..either way... my heart will be :broken: because of the one that lost. but its united over anyone really..

Giovanni

17-12-2004, 18:51

Here at MM I got an email (looks authentic to me) from a BBC journalist wanting to talk to a UK based Milan fan about the draw...anybody interested?
tell him to check out on the BBC 606 european board of a certain Milano_Rossonera :sun: whose speciality is to slag off the Unfaithfuls on those boards and to convert them to the Light

:lazy: :1avs:

Nata

17-12-2004, 19:59

YES! I`m so totally psychick (I can`t even spell that) but that`s ok..cuz Milan is gna kill :D

rae

18-12-2004, 04:54

Quick vote: which people posting in this thread actually want Milan to win?
doonno guys it is to difficult to say now... we'll see when the time comes....

PS: yesterday was the day I cruised forever.....

Rapierist

18-12-2004, 09:04

Mate, Al Capone was a bloody bastard.

Stezagud

18-12-2004, 10:35

steza matey

who are you gonna cheer for?

you knew this choice and question would have come sooner or later

i won't blame if you choose man u but speaking for myself i couldn't be divided in two

It has to be Utd for me :) I've been asked the question a few times since i first joined MM and i always gave the same answer, that if the 2 ever meet i have to support Utd. If Milan wins i wouldnt be too annoyed though, and would still want them to go on and win the Champions League..

Lombardia

18-12-2004, 16:06

Nata

18-12-2004, 17:07

Haha well said man.. :)

ariel

18-12-2004, 17:19

ruud is injured for the next 6 weeks(achillies injury), i wish it could have been a little longer, but he should be fit for the milan game if he responds to the treatment. if however he doesn't play, you guys shouldn't even bother showing up

this is quite mean...i mean, to wish that any player be injured for a longer period of time
:D
I would actually love to see us winning the match with them having ruud in the team,that`d bring bigger satisfaction. :rock3:

Josy7

18-12-2004, 17:24

with ruud or without ruud we will give our heart out in the pitch that day ( i hope). it wont be an easy win for either side.

Nata

18-12-2004, 17:29

If Milan can play like today, it will be an easy win. :D

Josy7

18-12-2004, 17:33

like i said...both teams are capable of doing great things. If both teams give it their all and show their best sides... it wont be an easy win for anyone.

Nata

18-12-2004, 17:34

Still...I think Milan will win this.

Josy7

18-12-2004, 17:35

:delol: thats fine ...i just was a bit bothered by the ¨easy win¨ :u56:
:hug:

Lombardia

18-12-2004, 17:50

i can see man u edging a win in the ot leg but i believe it will finish 1-0, but in the away leg, i think we'll win by 2-4 goals,

Rapierist

19-12-2004, 01:37

i can see man u edging a win in the ot leg but i believe it will finish 1-0, but in the away leg, i think we'll win by 2-4 goals,

Hah! Sure man, why not. :rolleyes:

Rapierist

19-12-2004, 01:49

Stezagud

19-12-2004, 08:20

Anyway, great attacking performance against Palace. Reminded me of the United of old (not too old though). Ronney looked a bit off colour in the first half. Fletch was brilliant. Giggsy turned back the years a few times during the match

We scored 5 without trying too hard, and we did it without Ruud :D

It seemed to me that their is a greater fluency to our play without Ronaldo on the pitch as Fletcher fits into Utds style better. Most of the attacking players were quite happy to shift the ball around with only 1 or 2 touches and with Scholes, Rooney, Giggs and Smith all switching between attack and midfield it was simply too much for Palace to handle :cool: Ronaldo certainly provides a different dimension to the attack but i hope he saw yesterday how it is easier to dismantle a team through passing and movement than through stepovers :D

Ruud should be back in a month and Saha soon after so by the time the Milan game arrives we should have our full strikeforce available :)

Nata

19-12-2004, 08:57

Guys don`t get too excited :D...you played Crystal Palace; they`re like the wors team in EPL...anywayz Scholes` first goal was a beaty, and Giggs had a couple good attacks too...reminded me of the old Giggso..well not so old, but yah no wat I mean.

Stezagud

19-12-2004, 09:12

obviously it was only Palace, and Emerson Boyce is no Nesta :D but its always good to score 5 goals ;)

Scholes is well and truely back in business. When on this form he is like a magnet, wherever the ball is he is available and he is extemely hard to contain. As for Giggs, i just hope they delay offering his contract extension until the end of the season as he seems to be playing brilliantly now that he has to prove himself again :)

Nata

19-12-2004, 10:17

Yeah..who doesn`t want Giggs?..but his home is United...I juss love that player cuz of his passion, and cuz of his skills..and for the run against Arsenal :D

Rapierist

19-12-2004, 10:45

Guys don`t get too excited :D...you played Crystal Palace; they`re like the wors team in EPL

No, they are not the worst team in the League. On current form, I think it is West Bromwich Albion.

Anyway, a five goal match does do wonders to the team's confidence. Even if it is against relegation strugglers.

Nata

19-12-2004, 10:48

I sayd 'they`re LIKE the wors team in the EPL'

argo

19-12-2004, 11:46

OMG... :eekani:
personally I thought this thread will explode as I saw the UCL knock-out stage drawings..
then It will be closed if United win the ticket to quarter-finals.. :D

WTF the drawing was.. best teams meet quite early.. is it Champions League or FA Cup?
Milan have the better performance currently, but United will NOT let this campaign die. Champions League Title is the obvious target after we slipped a bit in the premiership.

Stezagud

19-12-2004, 15:58

WTF the drawing was.. best teams meet quite early.. is it Champions League or FA Cup?

it does seem strange, the top teams all play each other, apart from Inter :rolleyes:

Milan have the better performance currently, but United will NOT let this campaign die. Champions League Title is the obvious target after we slipped a bit in the premiership.

yeah, id agree that on present form Milan are the better side, but gradually the pieces are coming together for Utd. I said on here a few weeks ago about how good it would be if all Utds attackers hit form at the same time and now that Giggs and Scholes seem to be playing with confidence again it is possible that it could happen :D a lot can happen in 2 months though...

I read in the paper today about how hard Utds fixtures are already in February, we have to play Chelsea (twice) at home as well as Arsenal, Liverpool and the derby against Man City - and all of those are away from Old Trafford :eek: and now Milan as well ! i suppose by March we'll have a good idea what type of season this will be ;)

Nata

19-12-2004, 16:02

Haha Fergie is so funny..first he was saying he would get Milan, then he was saying he doesn`t want Milan, and now he`s saying he`s happy he got Milan.

Stezagud

19-12-2004, 16:37

maybe he's doing his mind games on Ancelotti, trying to make him go mad on live TV like Kevin Keegan did :dielaugh:

Lombardia

19-12-2004, 17:08

that still makes me laugh even as a newcastle admirer, the way fergie got to him was simply brilliant, i'd love it, love it.

ahhh memories.

besides carlo doesn't speak english, i don't think fergie is that good

Haroon

19-12-2004, 19:06

i suppose by March we'll have a good idea what type of season this will be ;)

When you have friends like me all you have to do is ask. :devil:

In one word the Manure season will be: Failure

In two words: Utter Failure

In three words: Totally Ridiculous Failure

In four words: Obnoxiously Suffocating Disastrous Failure

In five words: Prawn-Munching Nightmare From Hell

Prawn-Munching is one word or two? :D But you do get the drift of what I am saying or rather helping you realize. I'm just preparing you. It's called pacing for the natural disaster. :)

Rapierist

20-12-2004, 00:37

In one word the Manure season will be: Failure

In two words: Utter Failure

In three words: Totally Ridiculous Failure

In four words: Obnoxiously Suffocating Disastrous Failure

In five words: Prawn-Munching Nightmare From Hell

Prawn-Munching is one word or two? :D But you do get the drift of what I am saying or rather helping you realize. I'm just preparing you. It's called pacing for the natural disaster. :)

If you were saying that about United's Champions League campaign, I would understand, because they are playing against a team you support.

But saying that the entire season for United will be a disaster and drawing such perverse satisfaction from those thoughts? :finger:

You, sir, have just qualified youself as a muppet.

Rapierist

20-12-2004, 00:43

I read in the paper today about how hard Utds fixtures are already in February, we have to play Chelsea (twice) at home as well as Arsenal, Liverpool and the derby against Man City - and all of those are away from Old Trafford :eek: and now Milan as well ! i suppose by March we'll have a good idea what type of season this will be ;)

Brilliant. United always pull out super performances when they have a tough run of games. You don't even need to think back to '99. In the 2002/03 season when we won the league, we had the Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid pretty close to each other. And apart from one terrible performance at the Bernabeu, we were magnificent.

Josy7

20-12-2004, 01:20

after the match against palace (yes i know they are not the best side) but just the performance the players put in i feel much more confident! Giggs was just brilliant you cant even tell time has passed him by. Fletcher to me ..is better for us than ronaldo not becuase hes a better player but he just fits in better. Scholes needless to say... :v408: .I think that our season is only starting and that...our confidence is getting much better our players are all putting in strong performances. The hard matches are coming up and its a bit worrying but at the same time encouraging because it will prepare us for the Milan matches!

GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED!

:w200: :w186:

rae

20-12-2004, 07:17

Stezagud

20-12-2004, 11:18

that still makes me laugh even as a newcastle admirer, the way fergie got to him was simply brilliant, i'd love it, love it.

Fergie built up Keegans stress levels so high that you could almost see his hair turning grey as he spoke :dielaugh:

If you were saying that about United's Champions League campaign, I would understand, because they are playing against a team you support.

But saying that the entire season for United will be a disaster and drawing such perverse satisfaction from those thoughts?

You, sir, have just qualified youself as a muppet.

:D nah Haroon's ok, its just his hatred of Utd is borderline psychotic ;)

Brilliant. United always pull out super performances when they have a tough run of games. You don't even need to think back to '99. In the 2002/03 season when we won the league, we had the Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid pretty close to each other. And apart from one terrible performance at the Bernabeu, we were magnificent.

i always thought we were very unlucky in the Bernebeu, Scholes nearly gave us the lead twice before Figo scored that cross/shot :mad: after that they took control but it wouldve been interesting to see how Real wouldev coped being a goal down...

after the match against palace (yes i know they are not the best side) but just the performance the players put in i feel much more confident!

it was good to see them put 5 past someone in the league again :D a lot of the games we have struggled in we hadnt been putting enough men in the box for chances but now Scholes in particular is making dangerous runs again :D

Nata

20-12-2004, 11:30

Cantona issues Man Utd job hint -from MEN

Former Manchester United star Eric Cantona would consider returning to the club as manager one day.

But the Frenchman, who made 191 United appearances, would not come back if he felt he could not be creative.

"I will not return in the near future," he told MUTV. "If I come back I will need to be involved in football for two or three years because things change.

"I do not want to be a manager like everybody else, playing the same system. I want to create something."

Cantona says that he would like to follow in the footsteps of Johan Cruyff, who was an innovative coach when he led Barcelona to European Cup glory in 1992.

"I remember the 1970s with Ajax and after that Cruyff as a manager at Barcelona," Cantona added. "It was a new system.

"It is like in music - when you are a rock star and create something new."

The 38-year-old also stated that he is against American tycoon Malcolm Glazer's attempt to take over the club.

"I am against this kind of thing because I am like a child - I am a dreamer. I don't want these kind of people to come here," he said.

"If it is not Manchester United, if it is not a club where he can earn so much money, do you think he would love to come?"

Meanwhile, Cantona is at the centre of a storm after using an obscenity on MUTV on Sunday.

Cantona was appearing on a show where supporters quiz guests and it was broadcast at 5.30pm.

Stezagud

20-12-2004, 11:38

The 38-year-old also stated that he is against American tycoon Malcolm Glazer's attempt to take over the club.

"I am against this kind of thing because I am like a child - I am a dreamer. I don't want these kind of people to come here," he said.

"If it is not Manchester United, if it is not a club where he can earn so much money, do you think he would love to come?"

He said that Glazer should go buy Coca Cola instead :D :respect:

Nata

20-12-2004, 11:41

Hahaha..I love Cantona. :D

Stezagud

20-12-2004, 11:54

yeah, King Eric was a genius :D

Nata

20-12-2004, 12:27

And had amazing kung fu skills. :D

Josy7

20-12-2004, 14:15

cantona is my idol... :v408: :v408: Mighty Cantona

Stezagud

20-12-2004, 15:42

he was the only player i ever considered having on the back of my shirt instead of Keane :D but the year i was thinking about it he suddenly left :( at the time it seemed like Utds dominance might end, particularly when the gooners won the double at the end of the season :mad: but a year after that we won the treble :cool: :respect:

Nata

20-12-2004, 16:14

Aw..why not just get 2 shirts then? :D

Stezagud

20-12-2004, 17:37

2 shirts :eek: i wish i'd thought of that at the time :D

or i could have combined the names, maybe get... Keantona ;)
With Cantona's Kung Fu and Keano's aggression the opposition players (and probably a few fans) would have been leaving the field in body bags :cool:

Nata

20-12-2004, 17:53

Haha Keantona...I like it...it could also be Cankeano..but that sounds weird :D

Josy7

20-12-2004, 20:15

keantona thats brilliant! hahaha...but yeah cantona was something else.

XZeRo3003

21-12-2004, 00:11

When you have friends like me all you have to do is ask. :devil:

In one word the Manure season will be: Failure

In two words: Utter Failure

In three words: Totally Ridiculous Failure

In four words: Obnoxiously Suffocating Disastrous Failure

In five words: Prawn-Munching Nightmare From Hell

Prawn-Munching is one word or two? :D But you do get the drift of what I am saying or rather helping you realize. I'm just preparing you. It's called pacing for the natural disaster. :)

Haroon my friend! Don't you think you're being a little too harsh on them?

Ok, listen, all I'm gonna say is that if Man U fields their best 11 players, they can take the Carling Cup, and maybe the FA Cup. And they better plan on doing that, cuz they ain't getting nothing else!

EDIT: :hah2: :hah2: :hah2:

Rapierist

21-12-2004, 00:12

About the obscenity.......
It is not a surprise. He always says and does :rolleyes: whatever he feels like whether it is on television or in a crowded stadium. :D
I just hope the United hierarchy "dedicated to turn United into a family club", do not take this as a serious issue, or he may never be invited to Old Trafford or for interviews again.

Rapierist

21-12-2004, 00:20

Ok, listen, all I'm gonna say is that if Man U fields their best 11 players, they can take the Carling Cup, and maybe the FA Cup. And they better plan on doing that, cuz they ain't getting nothing else!

In fact, I wouldn't mind if the F.A. Cup is the only thing we win this season. I would however, be a lot happier if we won more.

There is still a long way to go in the League.

And the Milan-United raffle (it can throw out any winner, I think) is still to take place in February.

Oh and there is always the satisfaction of burying Thierry, Jose Reyes and the Vulture Wenger at Highbury to come. :D

rae

21-12-2004, 04:22

he was the only player i ever considered having on the back of my shirt instead of Keane :D
the only guy whose surname I have on back of my shirt is Giggsy....
:star: :proud: :fero:

ArgentinaCRESPO

21-12-2004, 11:54

Go Henry Go

Stezagud

21-12-2004, 13:36

I just hope the United hierarchy "dedicated to turn United into a family club", do not take this as a serious issue, or he may never be invited to Old Trafford or for interviews again.

i doubt even the board could be that stupid, its approaching a decade since he left (doesnt seem that long ago though :( ) and he's still more popular with the fans than most of the current players :respect:

In fact, I wouldn't mind if the F.A. Cup is the only thing we win this season. I would however, be a lot happier if we won more.

There is still a long way to go in the League.

And the Milan-United raffle (it can throw out any winner, I think) is still to take place in February.

Oh and there is always the satisfaction of burying Thierry, Jose Reyes and the Vulture Wenger at Highbury to come.

yeah, any silverware would be welcome and the FA Cup is still worth winning. I think the league is closer than it appears on paper, 2 months ago Arsenal were "unbeatable" and easily favourites, now Chelsea are going strong. The simple truth is that in 10 years no one will care who was top in December, its who's top in May that counts and theres still a lot of points to play for :cool:

the only guy whose surname I have on back of my shirt is Giggsy....

Giggs (like Keane) is a good choice as it doesnt cost too much per letter :D did you see him get his award before the Palace match? it was for 600 games at Utd and he's still going strong :respect: suddenly the need to buy Downing doesnt seem so urgent ( though i'd still like us to bring him in over the summer ;) )

Rapierist

22-12-2004, 04:45

Giggs (like Keane) is a good choice as it doesnt cost too much per letter

You must have bought one of Ibrahim Ba's replica Milan shirts then. :D

suddenly the need to buy Downing doesnt seem so urgent ( though i'd still like us to bring him in over the summer ;) )

I agree, we don't need a left sided midfielder that urgent. I'd like to see Downing at United, but I think we need a proper defensive playmaker quite urgently.

rae

22-12-2004, 08:19

Giggs (like Keane) is a good choice as it doesnt cost too much per letter :D did you see him get his award before the Palace match? it was for 600 games at Utd and he's still going strong :respect: suddenly the need to buy Downing doesnt seem so urgent ( though i'd still like us to bring him in over the summer ;) )
yup, IMO Dowining is good choice next summer as well as Hargeaves in replacement in space which would be left after Keano retirememt....:proud: :star: :cry:

Stezagud

22-12-2004, 11:48

You must have bought one of Ibrahim Ba's replica Milan shirts then.

and i should have asked him for my money back when he came to the Prem last year ;)

IMO Dowining is good choice next summer as well as Hargeaves in replacement in space which would be left after Keano retirememt....

Im still not sure about Hargreaves, i dont get to see much of the Bundesliga so i dont know how he plays for Bayern but for England he seems extremely busy, that is, he tries very hard but achieves very little :D

rae

22-12-2004, 13:02

I have seen many matches in bundesliga and he made me very good impression.... he so skillful... :mex:

Josy7

22-12-2004, 16:36

:v408: Giggs is in brilliant form at the moment! i think he was just outstanding his vintage performance over the weekend brought tears to my eyes...however ...who wouldnt want downing at united? :p286: ...as for Hargreaves...I havent seen him play for Bayern..as for England..he gets the job done when given the chance... :dconf: ..however id have to see him for Bayern before i say anything since theres always those players that do better for their club than their country :w262:

Rapierist

23-12-2004, 00:32

:as for Hargreaves...I havent seen him play for Bayern..as for England..he gets the job done when given the chance... :dconf: ..however id have to see him for Bayern before i say anything since theres always those players that do better for their club than their country :w262:

I have watched him play for Bayern a few times. Although from those performances it is difficult to tell how he'd do in England. Bayern's play is much slower and methodical.

Also, most of their forward passing goes through Ballack, so Hargreaves doesn't seem that involved at times.

Stezagud

23-12-2004, 10:10

i think whoever it is that replaces Keane has to have the ability to drive the team, to motivate them when things are going bad. Unfortunately players with that ability tend to be highly valued, Gattuso, Vieira, Gerrard etc are all near unatainable.

There are cheaper options available but i just dont see that inspirational edge to Hargreaves?

Josy7

23-12-2004, 15:41

Haroon

23-12-2004, 16:27

If you were saying that about United's Champions League campaign, I would understand, because they are playing against a team you support.

But saying that the entire season for United will be a disaster and drawing such perverse satisfaction from those thoughts? :finger:

You, sir, have just qualified youself as a muppet.

What? A Muppet? :tong:

Well ... I was talking about the UCL. ;) As far as the EPL goes ... there ain't a chance that United is gonna clinch that title. So that does leave you with the FA Cup and Carling Cup which are trophies that are miniscule compared to the UCL and to an extent the Premiership.

I do draw such perverse satisfaction from United failing. It's what keeps me ticking. It's what keeps me on the edge. :devil:

Rapierist

24-12-2004, 03:00

I do draw such perverse satisfaction from United failing. It's what keeps me ticking. It's what keeps me on the edge. :devil:

So........basically, you are confirming that you are a muppet.

Rapierist

24-12-2004, 03:03

So that does leave you with the FA Cup and Carling Cup which are trophies that are miniscule compared to the UCL and to an extent the Premiership.

The F.A. Cup is a big trophy (maybe not to non-United fans). And I would be far happier if United won the League rather than the Champions League.
And there is still half a season to go in the League. I, as a fan, am always optimistic about our chances.

Peachtot

24-12-2004, 04:48

Prepare ur self !!
Condolence will come on you around Feb-Mar, ManU Mania!!

Stezagud

24-12-2004, 10:06

yeah your right hargreaves doesnt look that way...i think when keano does leave the team might loose its focus if we dont have someone there to pick up the ball and take charge like keano has done so many times. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Gerrard in united but that is next to impossible

yeah, Gerrard is the ideal replacement and Fergie has said as much, but Liverpool and Utd generally dont do business with each other. That said, Leeds liked to class themselves as Utds equals and we still stole Cantona, Rio and Smith from them, a few more bad years for the scousers and maybe they'l become our feeder club too ;)

i see a keano in smithy?as far as character goes. I think once hes more settled into the club he will become just as influential as keane ..since hes already well on his way.

yeah, he certainly has the same edge to his game and the rate he has accumulated red cards in his career is second to none :) i think Fergie is definately trying to reintroduce that competitive hunger, Heinze (who i've heard rumours that said he could switch positions and be our next Keane? ) as well as Smith and Rooney. Its like he's thinking "if we cant have Keane, we'll at least have lots of mini-keano's" :D

And there is still half a season to go in the League. I, as a fan, am always optimistic about our chances.

exactly, its far too early to write us off, if titles were one in December then Newcastle wouldnt have an empty trophy cabinet.....

Condolence will come on you around Feb-Mar, ManU Mania!!

I survived being knocked out by Porto :mad:, Leverkusen :eek:, Monaco :rolleyes: etc, i even remember when Galatasaray put us out :dazed: whatever happens in this tie it wont hurt half as bad as those dissapointments :D

Haroon

24-12-2004, 18:36

So........basically, you are confirming that you are a muppet.

Yesss. :D

P.S Who put the limit on replies unable to be posted if they are too short? I have to type this post-script for no reason. :nunu:

Haroon

24-12-2004, 18:37

The F.A. Cup is a big trophy (maybe not to non-United fans). And I would be far happier if United won the League rather than the Champions League.
And there is still half a season to go in the League. I, as a fan, am always optimistic about our chances.

The FA Cup is big because of its history and prestige being the oldest trophy in football. However saying that it is the third most important trophy for an English club after the Premiership and UCL. No club would be dumb enough to prefer the FA Cup over the EPL or UCL titles.

argo

24-12-2004, 21:05

When will The F.A. Cup final return to Wembley? and how does Wembley look after the renovation?

btw, Sir Alex had warned Chelski that the 2nd round of EPL after Boxing Day will be tough, because Chelski will have some away matches to the North.. ;)

Josy7

25-12-2004, 19:55

Haroon

25-12-2004, 20:48

i wont lie...i would give anything for united to win the UCL. I would rather see them win it rather than the league, just because ive only had that feeling once and id like to feel it again, if we get knocked out by A.C Milan I wont see it as the end of the world, both are strong sides and theres no shame from being knocked out by ac milan. I have confidence in side and i know that whatever the result is we will put up a good fight and not go quiet. :w143:

Woman ... this is a Milan forum! :D You should convert to a Milan fan through and through for the tolerance and hospitality of Milan Mania alone! :) A Milan forum that allows freedom of speech and welcomes people to speak their mind to the limit wishing that Milan loses against Utd. by United fans who support Milan as well is unique! :sagrin: No offence. Just kidding :) The United fans here are some of my favourite posters including Rapierist who called me a muppet!! LOL :D :beach:

Anyways ... for my side ... I hope that Milan eliminates United and doesn't stop there but goes the distance to lift NUMBER 7. I want to have that feeling for the 5th time. :devil:

Rapierist

25-12-2004, 23:49

United fans who support Milan as well is unique!

Not really. Considering how similar Milan might seem to United to fans of other clubs.
Both have similar club colours (something that made me like both clubs instantly), both clubs have won most of their trophies playing attractive, attacking football (and have absolutely boring defensive arch-rivals in Juve and Liverpool), both have this weird tendency to self-destruct suddenly only to astonish with crazy comebacks during matches. The whole devil-mascot thing (although Fred the Red is a 90's marketing disgrace and should be banned).

The only thing I don't like about Milan is Silvio Berlusconi. And for people who say that I have to like him because he is "our President" and has invested a lot of money into the club, well, he still remains a corrupt greedy ***.

XZeRo3003

26-12-2004, 00:46

Well, you guys support Man U, and there's not much I can to about that. But here's a simple question (or two).

If Milan played Man U RIGHT NOW, who do you really think would win?

and

Who do you think WILL win this game?

Clearly if you support Man U, there's not much I can do about that, I'm not going to insult you (although I am tempted), but at least I'd like to know if you Mancs still have ome common sense

XZeRo3003

26-12-2004, 00:50

As for my answer, Man U would get their a$$es WHOOPED if they played right now.

And for the Feburary fixture, Milan's gonna win it.

Why don't you Man U supporters just side with Milan on this one? I mean, you're gonna lose. When Barca played Milan, I sided with Barca, but at least Barca won one of the matches, Man U's gonna get trashed here. Come on guys, be one of us , just for now...

XZeRo3003

26-12-2004, 01:02

The F.A. Cup is a big trophy (maybe not to non-United fans). And I would be far happier if United won the League rather than the Champions League.
And there is still half a season to go in the League. I, as a fan, am always optimistic about our chances.

Wow... It's a little hard for me to beleive that you'd preffer League over UCL, I mean, the difference is clear cut. In league you're really competing against Chelsea, Arsenal, maybe Liverpool, and maybe in this case Everton. You play against Everybody, but as far as the title is concerned, you're only competing against 3, maybe four teams. In UCL you're competing against the supposed 16 best teams of Europe. Here you're competing against Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, and MANY more. By winning you're claiming the spot as the BEST team in Europe! How can you say you'd rather win league?

Peachtot

26-12-2004, 02:46

.... if we get knocked out by A.C Milan I wont see it as the end of the world, both are strong sides and theres no shame from being knocked out by ac milan.
Yeah...You suppose to admit it and for the rest of ManU fans in this forums too.
:nana: :rone: :nana:

Rapierist

26-12-2004, 05:26

Come on guys, be one of us , just for now...

We are always one of you. We are Milan supporters. But we also love Manchester United. And right now, since you are hell-bent on trashing one of our beloved clubs, we have got to stand up and defend United. We'd do the same if we were posting at a United forum where everybody wanted to write off Milan's chances.

Not that I am saying that one team will paste the other. In fact, I won't even be watching the matches. Whoever wins, I'll hope they can continue on the path to glory.

And no, United will not get pasted even if the match were held now. Whoever wins, would win by the narrowest of margins, I think.

How can you say you'd rather win league?

Even as a Milan supporter, I value a victrious Scudetto campaign more than a victorious CL campaign.

The League provides excitement throughout the year.
The competition, though among just a few teams at the top, still provides more excitement than the Champions League (which provides two matches a month, i.e., if you're lucky, for about five months or so).

A League win is more emotionally satisfying. It just feels more hard-fought, over the course of about eight months, with trips all around the country. Brilliant performances mixed with off-days, and the fact that you always have a chance right up until the finish of the season provided you are close enough.
A loss does not necessarily kill your chances of winning the title off (like in knock-out tournaments).

Look at it this way. Winning the Champions League gives you prestige. Winning the League gives you pride.

We'd rather be proud of ourselves than seek respect from others.

Stezagud

26-12-2004, 08:05

When will The F.A. Cup final return to Wembley? and how does Wembley look after the renovation?

I think they applied to host the 2006 Champions League final (not sure if they got it) so i guess it should be finished some time next season, though there was some sort of delay with raising the massive arch...from what i've seen it looks really good and has some of the best facilities in the world :cool:

We are always one of you. We are Milan supporters. But we also love Manchester United. And right now, since you are hell-bent on trashing one of our beloved clubs, we have got to stand up and defend United. We'd do the same if we were posting at a United forum where everybody wanted to write off Milan's chances.

Not that I am saying that one team will paste the other. In fact, I won't even be watching the matches. Whoever wins, I'll hope they can continue on the path to glory.

And no, United will not get pasted even if the match were held now. Whoever wins, would win by the narrowest of margins, I think.

Agree entirely with that :)

Haroon

26-12-2004, 08:16

Stezagud

26-12-2004, 13:07

On a personal level I believe that nothing is more gratifying for me than seeing the Milan captain lift the UCL trophy in the sky! It is probably the most satisfying football moment for a football fan. I've felt both emotions of the Scudetto and the UCL and the UCL easily tops it for me. That is just my personal take on it.

I must say i see both points of view, as Utds win over Bayern was probably the single victory i enjoyed most in all my years as a fan, but im not sure if that was because of the trophy it won or the circumstances of the win (2 last minute goals !! :eek: :cool: )

That said, there is always a slight element of doubt. In 99 Utd were unbeaten and did actually play many of the best teams in Europe but in many years its possible to get to the final without having to beat the best teams. In the league there are no excuses, everyone plays everyone else and the result is just about as conclusive as can be obtained :D

If i HAD to choose one over the other i'd probably pick the CL, but only because i've seen Utd lift 8 titles and only 1 European Cup, i'd much rather they just won both instead ;)

Giovanni

27-12-2004, 08:30

I apologise in advance with you all, you know i 'm friend with you all, but this won't avoid me to come on here and wind up you ManUres fans before the game :stress: :neww:
Stop sportmanship and sugar :devil:

anyone to update me on VanHorseface conditions? :haha:

i'm sure you are all ---> :hopefull:

cheers :neww:

Henrik

27-12-2004, 08:34

Anyone to update me on VanHorseface conditions? :haha:
You mean Van HemoRoyd? ;)
(this place will boil by early February :))

Giovanni

27-12-2004, 08:37

You mean Van HemoRoyd?
(this place will boil by early February )

:haha: :hammer:

steza---> :pchate:

:sun:

Stezagud

27-12-2004, 11:42

I apologise in advance with you all, you know i 'm friend with you all, but this won't avoid me to come on here and wind up you ManUres fans before the game

no problem, just as long as you dont mind when i come on here to wind you up after the game ;)

anyone to update me on VanHorseface conditions?
You mean Van HemoRoyd?

You'll both have to do better than that :D I've already heard just about every possible insult that can be thrown at Van Nistelrooy, Van Nostril-Boy is probably the best :hah2:to respond i usually just mention his European scoring record, its enough to terrify any doubters :cool: as for his fitness, he is unlikely to be 100% for the Old Trafford leg but should probably be matchfit for the visit to the San Siro...

steza--->

i think you'll find im quite hard to annoy :D

anyway as a Milan fan too i cant really fight back, it would be like hitting a man with glasses on :) i reckon sometime around mid february i may have to temporarily suspend my support for Milan and at that point it will be no holds barred :nunu: ;)

Giovanni

27-12-2004, 12:40

nistlehorseface is a tranny
and ryan giggs is her granny
nistlehorseface is a tranny
and ryan giggs is her granny

(from a popular italian football anthem translated for monsieur steza :cool: :star: )

Josy7

27-12-2004, 15:28

Why don't you Man U supporters just side with Milan on this one? I mean, you're gonna lose. When Barca played Milan, I sided with Barca, but at least Barca won one of the matches, Man U's gonna get trashed here. Come on guys, be one of us , just for now...

wot ever happend to loyalty there m8? ...i dont just support united when i think theyre going to win...i support them no matter what the circumstances! I was born a manc will die a manc no matter who play, or who the loose to.

:u56:

GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED

Giovanni

27-12-2004, 15:47

wot ever happend to loyalty there m8? ...i dont just support united when i think theyre going to win...i support them no matter what the circumstances! I was born a manc will die a manc no matter who play, or who the loose to.
:u56:

GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED
:clap: :proud:

Stezagud

27-12-2004, 19:08

(from a popular italian football anthem translated for monsieur steza )

:ilol:

a response direct from Utds dressing room...

chim chimery,
chim chimery,
chim chim cheroo,
we've got Tim Howard and he says f*ck you !

:nana:

wot ever happend to loyalty there m8? ...i dont just support united when i think theyre going to win...i support them no matter what the circumstances! I was born a manc will die a manc no matter who play, or who the loose to.

:respect:

Giovanni

28-12-2004, 03:37

You love United, you do
You love United, you do
You love United, you do
But their wives are tasty too

:cool:

Stezagud

28-12-2004, 08:20

Que Sera, Sera
we'll make Milan look like Hull,
we're going to Istanbul,
Que Sera, Sera

:D

Giovanni

28-12-2004, 08:24

Wank on wank on
with your scarf
While we care of your wives
don't worry at all

:cool: :devil:

(i know it's not a UNited song but it fits very well for you though :sun: )

Stezagud

28-12-2004, 08:44

build a bonfire,
build a bonfire,
put Maldini on the top,
put Gattuso in the middle,
and.........

I cant bring my self to finish this song :eek: :)

Haroon

28-12-2004, 18:56

We've got good singers in here! :D

:rock3: Rock on fellas!

rossoneroid

29-12-2004, 03:54

Haha...I think this thread is gonna explode in a few months. Hmmm..honestly, I'm a confuse now, should I support Utd or Milan???

Rapierist

29-12-2004, 06:05

By the way, did anyone watch the match against Villa yesterday?
Our worst performance in two months until Keano stepped onto the pitch.

Keano should always start.

And oh, we overtook Everton. That was nice. :)

Stezagud

29-12-2004, 11:01

We've got good singers in here!

Rock on fellas!

i think this duel of song should be postponed til Ferbruary, otherwise we may run out of material :)

Haha...I think this thread is gonna explode in a few months. Hmmm..honestly, I'm a confuse now, should I support Utd or Milan???

its a tough choice so just follow your heart (and if it says Milan then follow me instead ;) )

By the way, did anyone watch the match against Villa yesterday?
Our worst performance in two months until Keano stepped onto the pitch.

Keano should always start.

this is the great worry, as when he is gone who else will be able to walk onto the pitch and immediately take control :dontkn:

Its games like yesterday that show how much he is worth to us still, Villa had started the 2nd half well and its no coincidence that their threat dissapeared when he arrived. Im not sure if he is physically capable of starting every match anymore though, at 33 (and with the injuries he has collected over the years) it is probably too much to ask him to start 4 games in 9 or 10 days.

And oh, we overtook Everton. That was nice.

yeah, its about time we sent them back to midtable obscurity :D

XZeRo3003

29-12-2004, 21:38

We are always one of you. We are Milan supporters. But we also love Manchester United. And right now, since you are hell-bent on trashing one of our beloved clubs, we have got to stand up and defend United. We'd do the same if we were posting at a United forum where everybody wanted to write off Milan's chances.

Not that I am saying that one team will paste the other. In fact, I won't even be watching the matches. Whoever wins, I'll hope they can continue on the path to glory.

And no, United will not get pasted even if the match were held now. Whoever wins, would win by the narrowest of margins, I think.

I wasn't reffering to you, I was talking to the peeps who're siding with Manchester on this one.

And I honestly think Milan would win if they played right now. I just don't see how Man U could get past this great Milan, and I'm not taking Stam into consideration! Imagine February, we'll have STAM BACK! Man U is SO dead!

Rapierist

30-12-2004, 00:01

as when he is gone who else will be able to walk onto the pitch and immediately take control

And no money for the transfer window, unavailability/lack of similar transfer targets and no capable players from the youth team to at least attempt to fill his shoes makes it an even more depressing scenario.

at 33 (and with the injuries he has collected over the years) it is probably too much to ask him to start 4 games in 9 or 10 days.

Its true that he cannot start every match anymore. Makes you feel how lucky we were to land Keano after Robbo had reached a similar stage. :rolleyes:

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Although, I must mention that Rio did try to wade into midfield every time he had the ball and tried to get some passing going. Of course, the ball was passed straight back to Mickey Silvestre who duly launched a difficult-to-control 50 yard ball into Alan Smith each time.

Stezagud

30-12-2004, 11:43

I wasn't reffering to you, I was talking to the peeps who're siding with Manchester on this one.

As you have split loyalties too and have sided with Barca against Milan this season i dont think you can really use that excuse :rolleyes: :)

And I honestly think Milan would win if they played right now. I just don't see how Man U could get past this great Milan, and I'm not taking Stam into consideration! Imagine February, we'll have STAM BACK! Man U is SO dead!

If they played now Utd would find it tough without Ruud and Saha (who's pace can trouble anyone) but in Utds favour would be the fact that Giggs, Scholes and Keane are all on form now and Ronaldo's holiday break means he will be rejuvenated too. That midfield can pose any team problems and with Smiths aggresion, Rooneys guile and a solid defence that has conceded a goal only once every 2 games since Rio returned....Milan would have plenty to think about.

Its true that he cannot start every match anymore. Makes you feel how lucky we were to land Keano after Robbo had reached a similar stage.

yeah, we've had a quality player for that role for well over 2 decades and its going to be extremely difficult to find anyone to join us who is good enough to continue that line :irritate:

rae

31-12-2004, 12:23

what a fuuck.... Ruud is out again... is it very serious....? I have not had conection to inet for a week or more so I do not know mach what has happened.... except two victories....:tong:....

Rapierist

31-12-2004, 13:12

yeah, we've had a quality player for that role for well over 2 decades and its going to be extremely difficult to find anyone to join us who is good enough to continue that line :irritate:

They are both British too. I can't really see a non-British player fitting into an inspirational role like that(Cantona was a one-off and he did not play in that position). That narrows our choices even more. :rolleyes:

XZeRo3003

31-12-2004, 13:15

As you have split loyalties too and have sided with Barca against Milan this season i dont think you can really use that excuse :rolleyes: :)

Excuse eh? Well, let me qoute myself so that you better understand...

Why don't you Man U supporters just side with Milan on this one? I mean, you're gonna lose. When Barca played Milan, I sided with Barca, but at least Barca won one of the matches, Man U's gonna get trashed here. Come on guys, be one of us , just for now...

Rapierist

31-12-2004, 14:35

XZeRo3003

01-01-2005, 00:17

gawwwd, you're missing the point. Lemme make this clear.

First of all, you're responding like I was addressing you, which i wasn't.

Manchester United ARE a legendary club. So why the hell are they in fourth place??? *cough* THEY SUCK *cough*

Barcelona haven't gotten a trophy in like ten years. But they are lead La Liga with 9 points.

When I sided with Barcelona, it was because i didn't think Milan was better. And I hope you haven't forgotten that Barcelona beat milan 2-1 in the away leg. I truly beleived that they were very even.

In the case, I truly believe Milan is WAY better. I don't see how one could even say man U has a chance, if they played right now. And some Mancs just don't accept that, which gets on my nerves. Because clearly Man U has been going through a very ugly patch of bad form. Yes, the match will be in Febrary, plenty of time for improvement for both teams, but lemme repeat, people don't find Milan supperior RIGHT NOW

And stop talking about history and legend. If being a legendary team meant that you were a great team, Man U wouldn't be stuck in fourth place

Rapierist

01-01-2005, 01:21

Barcelona haven't gotten a trophy in like ten years.

er..........come again?? :D

When I sided with Barcelona, it was because i didn't think Milan was better. And I hope you haven't forgotten that Barcelona beat milan 2-1 in the away leg. I truly beleived that they were very even.

*cough*FLUKE*cough*

In the case, I truly believe Milan is WAY better. I don't see how one could even say man U has a chance, if they played right now. And some Mancs just don't accept that, which gets on my nerves.

We love getting on people's nerves. :D

And stop talking about history and legend. If being a legendary team meant that you were a great team, Man U wouldn't be stuck in fourth place

Well, they were relegated once too, but that didn't take away their legendary status. So, even being in fourth doesn't take away their greatness.

XZeRo3003

01-01-2005, 03:46

Quote:
Originally Posted by XZeRo3003
Barcelona haven't gotten a trophy in like ten years.

er..........come again??

I SAID, Barcelona have failed to get a trophy in like 10 years. Yet they are supperior to teams such as Manchester United.

Quote:
Originally Posted by XZeRo3003
When I sided with Barcelona, it was because i didn't think Milan was better. And I hope you haven't forgotten that Barcelona beat milan 2-1 in the away leg. I truly beleived that they were very even.

*cough*FLUKE*cough*

Very Arguable... but I won't start...

Quote:
Originally Posted by XZeRo3003
In the case, I truly believe Milan is WAY better. I don't see how one could even say man U has a chance, if they played right now. And some Mancs just don't accept that, which gets on my nerves.

We love getting on people's nerves.

LMAO I NOTICED!

Quote:
Originally Posted by XZeRo3003
And stop talking about history and legend. If being a legendary team meant that you were a great team, Man U wouldn't be stuck in fourth place

Well, they were relegated once too, but that didn't take away their legendary status. So, even being in fourth doesn't take away their greatness.

It doesn't? You guys are suggesting Man U could be the best in Europe (If they match up to Milan, they're the best in Europe) because they are legendary, but they can't even show their worth in England. It's a shame you guys value them so highly. i'd say that DOES take away from their greatness.

Rapierist

01-01-2005, 05:01

I SAID, Barcelona have failed to get a trophy in like 10 years. Yet they are supperior to teams such as Manchester United.

Barcelona won a league title as recently as 1999, I think.
Shows how much you really care to know about the team you support.

It doesn't? You guys are suggesting Man U could be the best in Europe (If they match up to Milan, they're the best in Europe) because they are legendary, but they can't even show their worth in England. It's a shame you guys value them so highly. i'd say that DOES take away from their greatness.

Then, you don't know the first thing about being a supporter. Even Huddersfield's supporters value their club higher than any other.
Its not to say that Huddersfield's supporters are blind (well you and I can say that because we don't support Huddersfield).

But that is what fans do, it is all that they can do, really.

rae

01-01-2005, 07:26

Mr. Arse fan, dont you think that no club had achieved so much that MUFC gained after such tragedy they had in Muenchen. Can you deny that we were the most dominating club in national championship for almost 20 years. None of clubs of other countries can compare to us. None. Do you really think that if a club is in third place of british premiership -- sux?!
You are lucky to have so rich president as Laporta, who can buy every plaeyr he likes. I guess it is a bit unfair to call Barca - representavive of Spain or Catalunya. It is more brasilian club than spanish. Only Xavi and Puyol are the men who grown up as players in Barca. The rest of staring squad were bought in recent two years. Only Chelski can compare to you at this point.

Stezagud

01-01-2005, 08:14

And stop talking about history and legend. If being a legendary team meant that you were a great team, Man U wouldn't be stuck in fourth place

Real Madrid have more European Cups than any club in history, at present they are 5th in the Primera Liga. Does their present standing erase their history too ?

Then, you don't know the first thing about being a supporter. Even Huddersfield's supporters value their club higher than any other.
Its not to say that Huddersfield's supporters are blind (well you and I can say that because we don't support Huddersfield).
But that is what fans do, it is all that they can do, really.

exactly :respect: Hope is one of the best things about football, that feeling that maybe your team can overcome the odds. Utd are simply expected to beat 90%+ of the teams they play but to me personally its these games, where the outcome isnt clear, that are more enjoyable.

Mr. Arse fan, dont you think that no club had achieved so much that MUFC gained after such tragedy they had in Muenchen. Can you deny that we were the most dominating club in national championship for almost 20 years. None of clubs of other countries can compare to us. None. Do you really think that if a club is in third place of british premiership -- sux?!

And the only sides above us are the best side Arsenal have ever had and Chelsea's millionaire mercenaries :D there is still time for us to overcome them, it will be difficult but we've done it before :cool:

XZeRo3003

01-01-2005, 14:48

gawwd you guys are fukin stubborn

Real Madrid have more European Cups than any club in history, at present they are 5th in the Primera Liga. Does their present standing erase their history too ?

of course it doesn't. History is a very valuable part of a team. But just because a team such as Manchester United and Real Madrid has a great history doesn't mean that they are a great team right now. History is history. It's in the past. I'm not pissed off because you guys support Manchester United. If that's all you did, I wouldn't complain. but rating them so highly with such a sore squad just because their History is great makes no sense. It's like if Real Madrid bought terrible players, and I said omg, I think Real Madrid is definitely as good as Man U. See, one can't do that. First step for me would be to admit I have a **** squad. Second would be to admit that we have heart, and that's what will help us rise to the top.

Do it like most clubs in the world do it. Do what Everton's doing right now.
If History dominated football we'd have ****ed up leagues. It's a every team's heart that makes football leagues what they are, exciting.

Man U has been missing that heart for a long time now.

XZeRo3003

01-01-2005, 14:51

And just to edit my earlier post in a very fair manner. When I said Man U has a sore squad, I didn't mean it's a bad one (still worst than Milan's though), but this is the problem
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Man U has been missing that heart for a long time now.

Rapierist

01-01-2005, 15:22

It's like if Real Madrid bought terrible players, and I said omg, I think Real Madrid is definitely as good as Man U. See, one can't do that. First step for me would be to admit I have a **** squad. Second would be to admit that we have heart, and that's what will help us rise to the top.

First of all.........what makes you think that United have a rubbish squad? Just because they are (finally, after all these years) third in the league at New Years time?

If you remember, this same squad has clawed back from being written off many times (yes, the old guard may be ageing but they are still some of the best footballers in the world).

They have got themselves back into some kind of contention with being just 9 points adrift from being something like 14 points adrift just two months ago.

They have wrecked the confidence and exposed the one-dimensional game-plan of the "bestest ever team in the world ever!!!" Arsenal, which led them to drop a bucketload of points.

Its a team built on, in addition to football skills, hard-work and passion.
How many squads can you point out with similar attributes?

Even the Milan team only has Gattuso and Costacurta who are always ready for a scrappy game, if needed. Even the great Maldini relies more on skill than hard-work.

Barca? Don't even mention them. For a club who is seriously in debt, they act like they can buy all the players in the world. Their fans are so stupid, even when they knew they were dangerously in debt, voted for a fellow to be made Prseident who made promises about signing the most expensive players in the world for Barca.

Sir Alex Ferguson would never have a player playing in his squad who isn't fully committed to playing for the team.
While Ronaldinho and Deco stand about scratching their nuts when the opposing team is on a counter attack, Rooney, Smith and Ruud track back all the way to help out their defence.

That is what a fan likes to see. Not expensive buys. But players who play like they care.

And in a fan's eyes that squad is much more capable of winning something for the club than a bunch of overpaid superstars.

That is why we are so confident that United will not be easy for Milan to play against.

I hope that satisfies your curiosity as to why Manchester United fans like and believe in their team so much.

Rapierist

01-01-2005, 15:42

By the way, decent performance against Boro today.
We've changed our playing style much after McLaren left. His knowledge of our secrets cannot hurt us now :D

Keano, Rio and Giggsy had a super game.
Heinze was a hurricane that blew everybody away.

A bit disappointed about Chelsea scraping past Liverpool with all three points. :rolleyes:

argo

01-01-2005, 18:37

very good explaination, Raps... :clap: :clap: :clap:
people who support such clubs because of their "recent" excellent performances are just "glory hunters" :D and we ain't like that!
We are UNITED!!!

and nice performance at Riverside today, tho I didn't see the match completely (due to some activities). Our defence is magnificent and Djemba-Djemba is BACK. while Giggsy is still a decisive player. ;) 3 goals in his last 3 games.

XZeRo3003

01-01-2005, 18:46

I DON'T think Milan has a rubbish squad; you purposely overlooked my post, didn't you?

Dinho I can accept, he's a nut scratcher, but every other player drops back to help on Def., including Deco and Eto'o. There are other reasons (strategic) for which Dinho can stay up as much as he wants, but we're way beyond my original point and I'm tired of this argument.

Overpaid Superstars? THE BEST overpaid superstars!
With the exception of Larsson.

Laporta has done an great job getting rid of the debt Barcelona had, WHILE being able to change the sorry a$$ team Barcelona started with. And I'll never EVER forget Laporta's first signing, Rafael Marquez (what's that about overpaid superstars??? :D). And don't you dare talk bad about Rafa, or I'll shred you to pieces.

And I'm tired of arguing with you, I see you've got a decent idea of what you're talking about, I want to probe the rest of the Mancs who can't accept that Milan is better :D :D . And even you might not think so, but I see it crystal clear: Milan is better than Manchester United.

XZeRo3003

01-01-2005, 18:50

And mad props to Rio for his game today. I think Man U owes this season to him. If it weren't for him MU wouldn't be in fourth

argo

01-01-2005, 19:00

if Rio was playing since the beginning of this season, then Utd would be in 1st place by now. ;)
He is our next skipper. :proud:

argo

01-01-2005, 19:44

btw, Rooney has been banned for 3 games. then Ronaldo seemed to get injured at Riverside today (and replaced by Djemba-Djemba). How many strikers left? :depress:

rossoneroid

01-01-2005, 21:06

very good explaination, Raps... :clap: :clap: :clap:
people who support such clubs because of their "recent" excellent performances are just "glory hunters" :D and we ain't like that!
We are UNITED!!!

Right, Argo. We called them "gloryhunter seekers" or you could said "It is JCL (Johnny's Come Lately)" :D

Btw, Stez. Why Liverpool always stated as "scousers" or "dippers" by most mancs? Maybe you know about this? Just curious.

XZeRo3003

01-01-2005, 21:15

Right, Argo. We called them "gloryhunter seekers" or you could said "It is JCL (Johnny's Come Lately)" :D

Btw, Stez. Why Liverpool always stated as "scousers" or "dippers" by most mancs? Maybe you know about this? Just curious.

Speaking of...

Argo, I hope you weren't reffering to ME as a "glory nuhter", because if you were then I've taken offense in that :987:

Rapierist

02-01-2005, 01:00

Why Liverpool always stated as "scousers" or "dippers" by most mancs? Maybe you know about this? Just curious.

Scousers: People on Merseyside are called Scousers (derived from some kind of a "delicacy??" from that area, Lobscouse). They need not necessarily support Liverpool FC.
Its like people fom Manchester being called Mancunians. No, wait. The equivalent for that would be Liverpudlians.
Anyway, Scouser is not supposed to be a derogatory term.

Bin-dippers: Well, I don't know if it is true, but the city of Liverpool has the reputation of housing a large number of poor/not so well-to-do/involved in shady businesses/unemployed Scousers.
I agree it is a bit unfair to call them the bin-dippers, but the football team from Liverpool FC does deserve that title, if only for proclaiming that they are "BACK" every season, and having to make do with trophies like the league cup, or their "Infamous Treble" that makes United's Treble look like a massive underachievement.
i.e. they are willing to rummage through the metaphorical bins of football in their search for glory.

Rapierist

02-01-2005, 01:40

He (Rio) is our next skipper. :proud:

He is skipper material, but he is too far away from the front-line. He wouldn't be able to yell at all underperforming players. ;)

Also, that reminds me of the supposed altercation between Keano and Fletch that was discussed here a few weeks ago.
Yesterday, Keano celebrated Fletch's goal with everyone else.

rossoneroid

02-01-2005, 05:37

Errr...XZeRo3003, you quoted my post, are you asking argo or me?
If to me, my post there didn' aiming to anyone here. Ok.

rae

02-01-2005, 07:14

Argo, I hope you weren't reffering to ME as a "glory nuhter", because if you were then I've taken offense in that :987:
I guess you one or like to be one of those glory hunters.... let's see... your favorite teams are only the best or almost the best in their own domestic championships. Is in it a bit strange?! [for instance my bro supports clubs which sux at the moment -- L'pool, Lazio, Real Sociedad, Girondins...] I can not call him a glory hunter even I must do that... simple isn't it...:rollani:

rae

02-01-2005, 07:27

Great match we had yesterday... Scholesy... now Giggsy.... the old mates are showing us their real worth... go on guys... we are quite close... chelski is not irrestistable as it was before.... hahha scoucers with half of team injured almost fuucked them... however Cole....:mad:

Stezagud

02-01-2005, 12:30

I want to probe the rest of the Mancs who can't accept that Milan is better . And even you might not think so, but I see it crystal clear: Milan is better than Manchester United.

You may see it "crystal clear" but i doubt the players and management in Milan see it as clearly as you. Utd may be 3rd (not 4th !!!) but are the form side in the league (as backed up by both opinion and stats), are unbeaten since October and are steadily gaining momentum :D with the exception of the Fulham game (where they equalised with a last minute 35 yard wonder strike) Utd have won every game since early November :eek:

Scouser is not supposed to be a derogatory term.

true, which is why it is usually backed up with words like "theiving" and "bastard" ;) its strange now that our great hope for the future is a scouser, maybe he can heal the rift between Liverpool and Manchester, probably not :D

Great match we had yesterday... Scholesy... now Giggsy.... the old mates are showing us their real worth... go on guys... we are quite close... chelski is not irrestistable as it was before.... hahha scoucers with half of team injured almost fuucked them... however Cole....

yeah Chelsea have won through luck more than skill recently :mad: they were outplayed at Pompey and Liverpool and then got late deflected goals and take home the 3 points :rolleyes: hopefully there luck will run out at Old Trafford :D

XZeRo3003

02-01-2005, 14:13

Errr...XZeRo3003, you quoted my post, are you asking argo or me?
If to me, my post there didn' aiming to anyone here. Ok.

I quoted the wrong post lol

XZeRo3003

02-01-2005, 14:30

I guess you one or like to be one of those glory hunters.... let's see... your favorite teams are only the best or almost the best in their own domestic championships. Is in it a bit strange?! [for instance my bro supports clubs which sux at the moment -- L'pool, Lazio, Real Sociedad, Girondins...] I can not call him a glory hunter even I must do that... simple isn't it...:rollani:

Wow... you're making some VERY raw assumptions here, and you're not thinking it through, either. I've been accused this before, and I simply won't put up with being called a glory hunter. First of all, Argo is from Indonesia and you are from Latvia or something (I forget), so you two WEREN'T glory hunters when you decided to supprt two of the most successful clubs in the world? I'm sure you did it knowing they'd win a lot in the future.

As for me, I've always hated Real Madrid and Manchester United, even before I started watching European football. And when I DID start watching European football, I decided to stick with my favorite Nationalitiy, the italians. I'll tell you I was VERY close to siding with Nedved and Zambrotta, until Maldini, Shevchenko, Pirlo, Nesta, Inzaghi and Rivaldo made me change my mind. It just happened that the best team at that time was Italian, cuz I'd always been a fan of the italian national team and club teams.

Barcelona I liked cuz they weren't Real Madrid, they had Saviola and Riquelme and they had some good dutchies. But I'd never forget Laporta's first signing, that signing made me love them forever.

And Arsenal, Because of Henry, and because I needed to support a team that wasn't Manchester United, a team that could beat Manchester United rather.

Anyways, my point... I supported Barcelona when they were dwelling low in the table, as for Arsenal, Manchester United was definitely the better team by that time. So it ISN'T weird that I support the best teams right now, it's mostly coincidence. Now if you'll allow me to clean of these stains, I'll gladly do it...

rae

02-01-2005, 14:39

you are from Latvia or something (I forget)
:frustrat: :angf: :wth:
so you two WEREN'T glory hunters when you decided to supprt two of the most successful clubs in the world? I'm sure you did it knowing they'd win a lot in the future.

well when I saw AC Milan playing for the first time I was only 8 years old... I even didnt know any other clubs I didnot know their achievements and so on... I did not know the players playing there... the only thing I knew was their team colours which I like very much....
that's it pal... so can you call me glory hunter?!

XZeRo3003

02-01-2005, 14:51

:frustrat: :angf: :wth:

well when I saw AC Milan playing for the first time I was only 8 years old... I even didnt know any other clubs I didnot know their achievements and so on... I did not know the players playing there... the only thing I knew was their team colours which I like very much....
that's it pal... so can you call me glory hunter?!

No, I guess not

What about Man U?

Josy7

02-01-2005, 23:50

and because I needed to support a team that wasn't Manchester United, a team that could beat Manchester United rather.
.

a team that could beat manchester united eh...i see..but....then why do you support arsenal again??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

as for the glory hunting comments..i think a perfect explanation of a glory hunter is the bloke that sided with Barca against milan because he thought they would win ..and to add to the insult ..called on man utd supporters to do the same thing because ¨they arent going to win¨...that ...is a crystal clear view..at wot a glory hunter is... :frustrat:

XZeRo3003

03-01-2005, 02:52

a team that could beat manchester united eh...i see..but....then why do you support arsenal again??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

as for the glory hunting comments..i think a perfect explanation of a glory hunter is the bloke that sided with Barca against milan because he thought they would win ..and to add to the insult ..called on man utd supporters to do the same thing because ¨they arent going to win¨...that ...is a crystal clear view..at wot a glory hunter is... :frustrat:

hmmmmm... Funny how I sided my loyalty way before the season started. If you really want to see, I could quote myself, but I'm not going to bother, I'm tired of hearing this $hit. I have my reasons for siding with Barca, I don't think it's worth it explaining my reasons to MANCS.

Go to the Barcelona thread if you're really interested.

Josy7

03-01-2005, 12:39

im not accusing you of being a Glory Hunter..only YOU know if you are or not...but that one comment ...about how we should side with milan because man utd arent going to win..thats glory hunting mate..so if u do it all the time..or it was just something you said without thinking is something you know..and im just using your own words as a reference to what a glory hunter sounds like... :str:

rae

03-01-2005, 12:50

No, I guess not

What about Man U?
well... it's a different story... remember that match when Cantona kicked one cheeky guy.... who hade anoyed him entire match... I was horrified by the decision of FA... it was unfair.... so I thought that it would be better support em all the time :u56: personally I did not know was MUFC a great club in past or not baut they were quite good that season so I enjoyed that :D but I still can not say it is a glory hunt :stuckup:

argo

03-01-2005, 19:12

Speaking of...

Argo, I hope you weren't reffering to ME as a "glory nuhter", because if you were then I've taken offense in that :987:
not exactly, Kenny.. :D
I was pointing to who has accused us (Utd's fans) as glory hunters.
as to me, I started supporting A.C. Milan when Marco van Basten (the 2nd best invention in football history) joining. then supporting United when Cantona (the only French athlete I ever liked) joined United in 1992. and THAT TIME United were not that glorious. ;)
I personally never imagined that we could be this great tho.. but some premiership titles, some "doubles", one "treble" and some more thropies would do me fine. ;) :cool: :D
there's only one thropy I don't want United to win, Community (Charity) Shield :D

p.s. just in case you don't know who is Eric Cantona, take a look at this picture below, Kenny.. ;)

argo

03-01-2005, 20:09

WooHoo!!!!
TV7, the official TV partner of English Premier League in Indonesia will broadcast the match United - Tottenham LIVE and (as usual) free.. :)

tho it will be on 03:00 AM. I'll watch it what-so-ever..

I hope we'll get the other 3 pts while Arsenal will play at home against our neighbour Man City. and Chelski also play at home against Boro..
Good Luck to City and Boro.. Let's kick some ass!!!

rae

03-01-2005, 20:15

City... god luck... man are gone mad...:confused:...

aaah... arse... well, everything has changed....

basically, my channel Viasat 2 never broadcast premiership live... only relive... but still it is better than never... :D

PS: it's almost 3 AM so I must go to sleep... good nite everyone...

Peachtot

04-01-2005, 01:37

Argo, in ur avatar : Is it indonesia's map after or before the tsunamis came ?

Stezagud

04-01-2005, 10:04

I'm tired of hearing this $hit. I have my reasons for siding with Barca, I don't think it's worth it explaining my reasons to MANCS.

but you were asking us to explain our reasons for siding with Utd ??

City have a (small) chance tonight as Arsenal are without Campbell. Anelka and Wright-Phillips both have reasons to put in good performances against the gooners. With a bit of luck they might pull off a shock..

As for Utd, this is probably the wrong time to face Spurs as they are playing as well as they have in years. Hopefully they will stick to their instinct for attacking football and leave a few gaps for our midfielders to exploit :cool:

Rapierist

04-01-2005, 11:32

As for Utd, this is probably the wrong time to face Spurs as they are playing as well as they have in years. Hopefully they will stick to their instinct for attacking football and leave a few gaps for our midfielders to exploit :cool:

Just what I was going to say.

Damn. Now I have nothing to say.

Haroon

04-01-2005, 17:22

I hope United are right up there in the league by the time Milan comes to town! Go United! I want you guys right up there on Arse's arse and Chelski Moscow!

Obviously there is a devilish reason for that. I mean why the hell would I of all the people want United to be in with a fighting chance in the EPL? :devil:

I am supporting you guys in the EPL nowadays! :)

Haroon

04-01-2005, 18:43

ohhh and kudos to the linesman and ref for doing a mighty fine job vs. Tottenham even after Carrol tried his level best to make it crystal clear that that goal was valid. :pp20: :grinser:

Rapierist

05-01-2005, 00:49

ohhh and kudos to the linesman and ref for doing a mighty fine job vs. Tottenham even after Carrol tried his level best to make it crystal clear that that goal was valid.

Oh, quit being so bitter. So, the linesman robbed Tottenham from finishing, what, 11th? at the end of the season? :D

Bad luck evens itself out. Like Caroll fumbling the ball was bad luck for us, the linesman not giving the goal was bad luck for Spurs. :D

ilgenio

05-01-2005, 02:18

Please Rapier, you'll be b!tching & whinning like a prickly prat if the same incident happened to ManU :devf:

Not even Juve gets this kind of calls in their favor :D
And I hope Carroll plays against Milan :devf:

Giovanni

05-01-2005, 06:06

er........United are a legendary club while Barca are just a pants team.

If you can side with Barca, you still cannot question fans supporting United over Milan.

I can understand some fans choosing a great club like United over a great club like Milan or vice versa.

But Barca? Hmph.......there should be no question.
from a neutral point of view this is not true:

barca fielded player such as cryuff, maradona, ronaldo, ronaldinho, romario, stoitchkov

if united is legendary the same can be said of barcelona

Giovanni

05-01-2005, 06:19

None of clubs of other countries can compare to us. None.
:haha: :delol: :haha: :delol:

please tell me you were kidding or :drunk: ?

Rapierist

05-01-2005, 06:35

from a neutral point of view this is not true:

And therein lies the fault in your argument. It will fail to convince us simply because we are not neutral. :D

Haroon

05-01-2005, 12:23

Oh, quit being so bitter. So, the linesman robbed Tottenham from finishing, what, 11th? at the end of the season? :D

Bad luck evens itself out. Like Caroll fumbling the ball was bad luck for us, the linesman not giving the goal was bad luck for Spurs. :D

Don't be so touchy man! I am supporting you guys remember :D It was robbery in broad daylight! :howler:

Franco6

05-01-2005, 13:10

Rapierist

05-01-2005, 13:20

I cannot understand all this fuss about about Man U, in europe Liverpool made a lot better during the years. United won only 2 champions cups, a super cup and an intercontiental. Even in home, they became great in the last 15 years i.e. since Fuguson's arrival.

In europe even inter did better than United.

Manchester United have always played attacking, attractive and entertaining football. Even during their worst years, they never strayed from the path.

Even when Liverpool were winning everything in sight, they were playing dull, defensive, possession passing football and scoring from the big fellow/little fellow combination using long balls.
Even during those dark days, United had the biggest attendances at their ground. They have been, for a long time, the best supported club in England, and now the world.

United provide football entertainment.

United teams have always had some of the finest wingers. Perhaps the best players to show off a side's attacking intent.
Right from Best, Coppell, Hill, Sharpe, Kanchelskis to Ryan Giggs and now Christiano Ronaldo.

To sum it up, Hector Cuper will never be allowed to even apply for a manager's job at Old Trafford. :)

Giovanni

05-01-2005, 13:30

Manchester United have always played attacking, attractive and entertaining football. Even during their worst years, they never strayed from the path.

Even when Liverpool were winning everything in sight, they were playing dull, defensive, possession passing football and scoring from the big fellow/little fellow combination using long balls.
Even during those dark days, United had the biggest attendances at their ground. They have been, for a long time, the best supported club in England, and now the world.

United provide football entertainment.

United teams have always had some of the finest wingers. Perhaps the best players to show off a side's attacking intent.
Right from Best, Coppell, Hill, Sharpe, Kanchelskis to Ryan Giggs and now Christiano Ronaldo.

To sum it up, Hector Cuper will never be allowed to even apply for a manager's job at Old Trafford. :)
so basically according to this logic lecce is better than juve b/c they play more attractive football? :p231:

Rapierist

05-01-2005, 13:36

so basically according to this logic lecce is better than juve b/c they play more attractive football?

Not better, maybe. But definitely more watchable. I could fall asleep during Juve's matches.

And I never said anything about United being 'better' because of that logic. They just have a much wider fanbase because of that fact.

And fans will always believe that their team is the best. :)

Henrik

05-01-2005, 13:41

Not better, maybe. But definitely more watchable. I could fall asleep during Juve's matches.

And I never said anything about United being 'better' because of that logic. They just have a much wider fanbase because of that fact.

And fans will always believe that their team is the best. :)

Not a bad point, but do remember that Juve has most fans in Italy, despite their "boring" football. Successful teams tend to get a lot of fans. :wow:

Vady

05-01-2005, 13:49

Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Pedro Mendes has admitted he did not know that his controversially disallowed 'goal' against Manchester United had crossed the line until he saw a replay of the incident.

The Portuguese's ambitious 50-yard lob in the closing stages of the goalless draw at Old Trafford was fumbled by United keeper Roy Carroll and the ball dropped over the goal-line ( 1 m) !!!!! :dontkn: , before being clawed out by the Northern Ireland international. :zany:

However, neither the referee nor his assistant spotted that it had gone in, leaving Mendes to consider what might have been.

F****K the refs !!!!!!!! :d55: :d55: :d55:

COME ON YOU , SPURS !!!! :gonova: :gonova:

:w154: :w154:

Rapierist

05-01-2005, 13:52

Successful teams tend to get a lot of fans.

Perhaps. But then those fans are fickle, and go away as soon as the team starts losing a few matches, sayin things like the team is past it and all. But the fans who actually support the club stick with them, definitely in good times, but especially in the bad.

Maybe since Italian football gives much more prominence to defensive play, Italian fans don't mind a super-defensive minded team like Juve.

I am not English, but I don't think that is the case in England.

Stezagud

05-01-2005, 16:38

so basically according to this logic lecce is better than juve b/c they play more attractive football?

Lecce vs Lazio was the best Serie A match i've seen this year :cool: both teams were playing like they didnt really care about conceding, almost as if Keegan was simultaneously in charge of both of them :)

As for the Mendes "incident" :lala: I cant say i wouldnt be annoyed if it had happened to Utd. But Spurs came for a 0 - 0 draw and thats what they got, they even celebrated there draw at the end :howler:

Rapierist

06-01-2005, 12:17

almost as if Keegan was simultaneously in charge of both of them

I've never understood why clubs even think of appointing Keegan as manager. The fellow just simply refuses to build a proper defence. :rollani: Whatever money he has, he blows it on attacking players, whether he needs them or not. And he even jokes about it, not realising how stupid it makes him look.
City have had good defensive performances this season, but that is just because fat old Richard Dunne suddenly learnt how to play.

But Spurs came for a 0 - 0 draw and thats what they got, they even celebrated there draw at the end

True. Most teams do come to Old Trafford and treat the match as a Cup Final. And bloody celebrate it like they've won a trophy of some sort.

Stezagud

06-01-2005, 16:10

I've never understood why clubs even think of appointing Keegan as manager. The fellow just simply refuses to build a proper defence.

I suppose to a team like City being entertaining losers is better than just...losers :D

True. Most teams do come to Old Trafford and treat the match as a Cup Final. And bloody celebrate it like they've won a trophy of some sort.

Which is one of the things that really annoyed me over the past few years. Teams would arrive at Old Trafford with a 9 man defence, praying that they might take a chance if they happened to create one, then they would play Arsenal and fall into their trap every time :mad:

XZeRo3003

06-01-2005, 18:01

Mendes' goal was so classy! certainly measures up to beckham's midfield goal, without a doubt

Rapierist

07-01-2005, 00:21

Mendes' goal was so classy! certainly measures up to beckham's midfield goal, without a doubt

Yes. His performance thoughout the match was excellent too. Certainly better than I've ever seen Rafael Marquez play.

Rapierist

07-01-2005, 04:09

Which is one of the things that really annoyed me over the past few years. Teams would arrive at Old Trafford with a 9 man defence, praying that they might take a chance if they happened to create one, then they would play Arsenal and fall into their trap every time

It doesn't bother me so much. Teams have always defended deep against us.
But we have almost always been able to kill them off. We failed to do that yesterday because a large part of our squad is out through injury and unfair :mad: suspension.

We also lost Giggsy to injury yesterday (which is feared to be long-term) and Scholesy looked :dazed: in the second half(due to the Christmas programme). So basically, we had lost creativity. Ronaldo and Fletch still leave a lot to be desired in that area.

XZeRo3003

07-01-2005, 06:02

Yes. His performance thoughout the match was excellent too. Certainly better than I've ever seen Rafael Marquez play.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I see we're playing the same game now :ilol:

Well I didn't see too much defensive work from Mendes, so it's kinda funny you'd compare him to a DM, a natural CB...

Stezagud

07-01-2005, 14:56

It doesn't bother me so much. Teams have always defended deep against us.
But we have almost always been able to kill them off. We failed to do that yesterday because a large part of our squad is out through injury and unfair suspension.

we seem to have changed slightly towards them though, the teams of the 90s would start at a high tempo and try and get an early goal, now we start as if were building up to something but so often fizzle out. We used to get 5 or 6 goals maybe half a dozen times a season :cool:

We also lost Giggsy to injury yesterday (which is feared to be long-term) and Scholesy looked in the second half(due to the Christmas
programme). So basically, we had lost creativity. Ronaldo and Fletch still leave a lot to be desired in that area.

Giggsy should be a fortnight according to Fergie, so he could be back flying by the Milan game :D Scholes definately needs a rest and this FA Cup game is the perfect time to do it.

Well I didn't see too much defensive work from Mendes, so it's kinda funny you'd compare him to a DM, a natural CB...

didnt see much defensive work? he was so scared of crossing the half way line he even took his shot from his own half :dielaugh:

Rapierist

08-01-2005, 03:27

we seem to have changed slightly towards them though, the teams of the 90s would start at a high tempo and try and get an early goal, now we start as if were building up to something but so often fizzle out. We used to get 5 or 6 goals maybe half a dozen times a season :cool:

The teams of the 90s had a crazy self-belief, the kind I have never seen in any other teams. They always believed that they would win, no matter what. I just don't see the same kind of belief now. Of course, Keano, Giggsy, Nevilles et al, believe that but no longer have the legs to make sure that the result reflects their belief.

Now if we don't score in the first half, it is a worrying situation for us.

Maybe we are moving in the right direction with our new arrivals, but whether they can be moulded into one of those teams remains to be seen.

Giggsy should be a fortnight according to Fergie, so he could be back flying by the Milan game Scholes definately needs a rest and this FA Cup game is the perfect time to do it.

I also read that Ruud should definitely(i.e. Man Utd are confident) be back for the Champions League ties. :cool:

Stezagud

10-01-2005, 15:17

The teams of the 90s had a crazy self-belief, the kind I have never seen in any other teams. They always believed that they would win, no matter what. I just don't see the same kind of belief now. Of course, Keano, Giggsy, Nevilles et al, believe that but no longer have the legs to make sure that the result reflects their belief.

Now if we don't score in the first half, it is a worrying situation for us.

Maybe we are moving in the right direction with our new arrivals, but whether they can be moulded into one of those teams remains to be seen.

True, it frustrates the hell out of me to see us do these ponderous European style build ups against teams with 2 set defensive lines :rolleyes: The old team would often start slowly but by about 15mins into the game were at full tempo and would keep at it until the end of the first half, by which time we were often 1 or 2 up. We have enough attacking players to do this still and hopefully Rooney and Ronaldo will learn there new roles.

Rooney certainly seems to enjoy the freedom he is given but as he has only been playing in the first team for a few months it seems he is still learning about his teammates. The constantly changing strikeforce isnt helping here but not much can be done to avoid these injuries....If we get everyone fit and consistantly in the side im sure he will really blossom for us.

Ronaldo is slightly more worrying as he has been with us for 18 months or so. He is still young and his potential is undeniable but he has to learn that football is a team game...

I also read that Ruud should definitely(i.e. Man Utd are confident) be back for the Champions League ties.

seems that way :cool: I think Fergie will continue bluffing and double bluffing about Ruuds fitness right up until the kick off :D

Rapierist

11-01-2005, 13:23

We have enough attacking players to do this still and hopefully Rooney and Ronaldo will learn there new roles.

Hopefully.........
Ronaldo is heading on the Denilson path by the way, too many tricks. Since he hasn't developed his passing game yet, I think it would be better to stick Fletch or Rooney(now that he is back) on the right and bench Ronaldo. I mean, its not like he has been a serious threat; and for a long time now. We could use him in games against sides that are particularly in bad form.

If we get everyone fit and consistantly in the side im sure he (Rooney) will really blossom for us.

Ronaldo is slightly more worrying as he has been with us for 18 months or so. He is still young and his potential is undeniable but he has to learn that football is a team game...

I think Rooney will. He has been getting into goal-scoring positions, even when he has been playing on the wing or deep behind the main striker, which is the primary job of a striker.

Ronaldo has been disappointing. Defenders double up on him nowadays, and he can't do anything about it because he dwells on the ball for too long. So either he is fouled or dispossessed. Things for him to sort out on the training ground.

seems that way :cool: I think Fergie will continue bluffing and double bluffing about Ruuds fitness right up until the kick off :D

It won't be anything new to Carletto though. All Italian managers do that. Remember the pasta comment? :D

Btw, Rooney and Saha are available for the League Cup fixture against Chelsea :cool:

Stezagud

11-01-2005, 15:08

Ronaldo is heading on the Denilson path by the way, too many tricks. Since he hasn't developed his passing game yet, I think it would be better to stick Fletch or Rooney(now that he is back) on the right and bench Ronaldo

its well worth considering. Fletcher has been brought up the Utd way and he slots into the first team well. If he gets stronger (which he should as he is still young) then he could be a fantastic midfielder for Utd. Rooney hasnt been at Utd long but he has shown he is ready to work for the team, which when added to his talent makes him well worth his place.

Ronaldo has been disappointing. Defenders double up on him nowadays, and he can't do anything about it because he dwells on the ball for too long. So either he is fouled or dispossessed. Things for him to sort out on the training ground.

It does seem that way :(

I remember doing training as a kid and the manager would pause the game after every bad decision and ask the player at fault "why did you do that? " if they did the same with Ronaldo a 90 minute match would probably last a few days :rolleyes:

Also, it was good to see one of our old boys destroy Barcelona last weekend :dielaugh: Diego Forlan scored 2 in a 3 - 0 win, putting him 3rd beihnd Etoo and Ronaldo on the scorers list :eek:

I did like Forlan, he wasnt a Premiership player but he always tried hard for us, and those 2 goals against Liverpool were priceless :D

Rapierist

12-01-2005, 03:49

if they did the same with Ronaldo a 90 minute match would probably last a few days

He has admitted though that he hasn't been playing very well of late and is trying on the training pitch to get his game right. I don't think too many continenetal players would have done that. So maybe his mental maturity at least is heading in the right direction. :D

Diego Forlan scored 2 in a 3 - 0 win, putting him 3rd beihnd Etoo and Ronaldo on the scorers list

:wow: Third in the scorers' list??

That is nice to hear. Yes, I liked him too when he was at Old Trafford. He always tried and kept running, we never heard him moan.

In addition to those goals against the Scouse, :D there was the late goal against Chelsea too. Created by Veron :eek: and scored by Forlan. A real collector's item that. :D
And the time when he couldn't get his shirt on, but still made a good tackle and won the ball.
Yes, its good to see that things are going well for him. Can't say that about too many players after they left Old Trafford. Except for Karel Poborsky and this season, Jaap Stam.

Stezagud

12-01-2005, 14:01

He has admitted though that he hasn't been playing very well of late and is trying on the training pitch to get his game right. I don't think too many continenetal players would have done that. So maybe his mental maturity at least is heading in the right direction.

Sounds promising :D

I've heard that in training he is massively improved in terms of vision and team play. Its only when he plays in front of large crowds that he starts doing unneccesary tricks, i suppose he suffers from "performing seal syndrome" :rolleyes: if that is the case then as times passes and he becomes used to the environment he should improve :cool:

In addition to those goals against the Scouse, there was the late goal against Chelsea too. Created by Veron and scored by Forlan. A real collector's item that.

yeah thats pretty much all we got for a combined £35m investment :D

Yes, its good to see that things are going well for him. Can't say that about too many players after they left Old Trafford. Except for Karel Poborsky and this season, Jaap Stam.

It was great to see Poborsky get his standing ovation at Old Trafford, despite getting sent off :eek: i hope Stam gets a good reception too, though the nature of the game wont be the same as the Sparta game..

XZeRo3003

13-01-2005, 23:29

Oooohhhh man, Liverpool is gonna kill you guys.

Well, good luck!

Giovanni

14-01-2005, 03:40

FORZA LIVERPOOL :devil:

Rapierist

14-01-2005, 08:01

Its Liverpool away!!

I can hardly wait. :1ole:

paulfin

14-01-2005, 11:06

You Wish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forza M.u.f.c.

Haroon

14-01-2005, 13:18

Liverpool vs. Man. United PLC should be a very good game. Morientes in his debut should spur the Pool side but the absence of Alonso will define the match. If Pool can cover his absence through Hamann or someone else stepping up to have a great game then it could go Pool's way or else United will fight out a win but only just.

Stezagud

14-01-2005, 13:57

Morientes might do well, in the unlikely event that Baros passes to him :D

Hopefully Fergie will play a physical game as Liverpools attacking players (with the exception of Gerrard) cant cope in those conditions. It worked for at Old Trafford and it worked for Watford, who despite their obvious limitations managed to cause Liverpool plenty of problems through commitment alone :D

Liverpool vs. Man. United PLC

Liverpool are a Plc too ;)

argo

16-01-2005, 06:41

Rooney has completed his return to Merseyside with his goal to earn 3-pts for United. yet again, Dudek is our hero.. :D I wish we got Solskjaer and Forlan for that match so we might have scored more goals... :rotfl:
Liverpool 0 - 1 Manchester United
Rooney '21
Anfield Stadium. ±40,000 attedance

Unfortunately Chelsea have continue their winning streak at White Hart Lane. but however it's pretty amusing to see Arsenal defeated by Bolton. :D

Stezagud

16-01-2005, 07:57

Rooney has completed his return to Merseyside with his goal to earn 3-pts for United. yet again, Dudek is our hero..

yeah, another man of the match performance from Dudek to give us 3 points :D

i was glad to see we did take them on physically, Keane was absolutely immense :eek: running everywhere, tackling everyone, passing well and almost scoring with that long range shot off the bar :proud: Heinze and Scholes were excellent too, though to be honest i think the whole team did well, even Wes Brown :rolleyes: ;)

Haroon

16-01-2005, 13:30

Liverpool are a Plc too ;)

.... but my soft spot is only for Manure PLC :stuckup:

:)

Stezagud

16-01-2005, 15:39

.... but my soft spot is only for Manure PLC

yeah, i know :D

i suppose it would dim your hatred of the Utds evil empire to know that most of the Premierships teams are Plc's, Utd are just the best of the bunch :proud:

argo

17-01-2005, 19:54

yeah, another man of the match performance from Dudek to give us 3 points :D

i was glad to see we did take them on physically, Keane was absolutely immense :eek: running everywhere, tackling everyone, passing well and almost scoring with that long range shot off the bar :proud: Heinze and Scholes were excellent too, though to be honest i think the whole team did well, even Wes Brown :rolleyes: ;)
Keane was excellent and outplayed Gerrard in many occassions. :D
initially I was quite feared of Morientes. He is an excellent header and should have done better because Rio didn't play.
btw, I missed Kewell and his comments. :D
yeah.. How bad United could be, Liverpool always did worse. ;)

I've heard that Mr Trapp of Benfica has revealed his interest for Kleberson. Any progress of that transfer possibility?

ac_milan_foreva

17-01-2005, 22:26

i like juve and inter better then manchester!!

Stezagud

18-01-2005, 11:36

Keane was excellent and outplayed Gerrard in many occassions.
initially I was quite feared of Morientes. He is an excellent header and should have done better because Rio didn't play.

yeah, i must admit when i saw Rio wasnt playing i thought we would suffer, particularly on set peices. As it was they didnt even manage to force a corner until after Wes was sent off :eek:
Silvestre took charge of the defence and when they did get past him Heinze was always there, that tackle on Morientes in the 2nd half was incredible :cool: he is possibly our player of the season so far...

I've heard that Mr Trapp of Benfica has revealed his interest for Kleberson. Any progress of that transfer possibility?

maybe, though with his injury record i dont think he will pass the medical anyway :D

i like juve and inter better then manchester!!

why?

Franco6

18-01-2005, 11:44

i like juve and inter better then manchester!!

:dstup: :dstup: :dstup: :eek:

Giovanni

18-01-2005, 13:22

i like juve and inter better then manchester!!
probably because you don't know true inter fans or juve fans

the juve fans are the supporters i hate the most and around my home it's full of juventini bars :gun:

Haroon

18-01-2005, 15:27

why?

He must've attended one of my classes. :ilol:

Stezagud

18-01-2005, 17:13

He must've attended one of my classes.

Professor Haroons Manchester United bashing for beginners course?

:D

Haroon

18-01-2005, 17:24

Professor Haroons Manchester United bashing for beginners course?

:D

:p017: :angel:

ac_milan_foreva

18-01-2005, 21:21

probably because you don't know true inter fans or juve fans

the juve fans are the supporters i hate the most and around my home it's full of juventini bars :gun:

because juve and inter are italian and in CL that would mean:

1) it improves the image of italian football
2) It improves the italian rating in CL
3) It makes italy have a better record and be better then other countries. id rather have italy be the best in europe than anyone else. 1 team cant make the whole country good no matter how good it is :rone:
4) id just rather see another italian team celebrate rather then some english
5) if juve or inter are embaressed the calcio's image is dropping and that includes all the teams
or spanish team. calcio is the best. And milan is the best in the calcio

Christopher

18-01-2005, 22:57

As stated in the champions league Milan v. united pre game thread:

SCREW UNITED

FORZA MILAN!!!!
:3band: :3band: :3band:

:p283: :rone:

Giovanni

19-01-2005, 03:37

because juve and inter are italian and in CL that would mean:

1) it improves the image of italian football
2) It improves the italian rating in CL
3) It makes italy have a better record and be better then other countries. id rather have italy be the best in europe than anyone else. 1 team cant make the whole country good no matter how good it is :rone:
4) id just rather see another italian team celebrate rather then some english
5) if juve or inter are embaressed the calcio's image is dropping and that includes all the teams
or spanish team. calcio is the best. And milan is the best in the calcio
you have some points, but nonetheless i hate them too much to cheer for their victory..i'd prefer , let's say, LIVERPOOL :sun: to raise the cup rather than Juve or Inter. I can't help it, and i'm italian so who should care more of italian football image than me? None the less i prefer other teams to win the big eared cup :v408: :p283:

Rapierist

19-01-2005, 07:56

..i'd prefer , let's say, LIVERPOOL :sun: to raise the cup rather than Juve or Inter.

:eek:
Are those the only choices??
:googly:

Stezagud

19-01-2005, 10:54

1)1) it improves the image of italian football
2) It improves the italian rating in CL
3) It makes italy have a better record and be better then other countries. id rather have italy be the best in europe than anyone else. 1 team cant make the whole country good no matter how good it is
4) id just rather see another italian team celebrate rather then some english
5) if juve or inter are embaressed the calcio's image is dropping and that includes all the teams
or spanish team. calcio is the best. And milan is the best in the calcio

I dont mind seeing other English teams give good performances in the early rounds for the same reason, but i wouldnt want them to actually win the trophy. The boasting from their fans would be unbearable :mad:

Rapierist

20-01-2005, 00:21

I dont mind seeing other English teams give good performances in the early rounds for the same reason, but i wouldnt want them to actually win the trophy. The boasting from their fans would be unbearable

I certainly do not want Liverpool or Arsenal to win. Or Juve or Inter. Chelsea?? I don't really care if they do, perhaps because I don't really hate Chelsea (hopefully Milan or United will stop them). But that wouldn't be good for Mourinho's health. He'd probably explode from the self-satisfaction. :D

Christopher

20-01-2005, 01:53

The only other team I could possible stand to see win anything is Newcastle United . . . . why because they wore the black and white stripes before those duesche bags at Juve did, and Newcastle beer isn't that bad in fact it is pretty good, F Manchester United, F Arsenal, and F Chelsea . . . . Roger Waters, and the Beatles were fans of Liverpool so I don't have any feelings about them.

One question where did these feelings for two teams come from . . . . how can you like a great team like Milan . . . . but then root for Manchester United? F'ING PICK ONE OR THE OTHER!

That is my opinion and that is how it is done in Philadelphia we like our teams and we hate everyone else . . . except if a team is playing the Dallas Cowboys, NY Giants, DC Redskins in football, and NY Rangers, NJ Devils in hockey and NY Yankees in baseball

:3band: :3band: :3band:

FORZA MILAN!

Rapierist

20-01-2005, 05:12

That is my opinion and that is how it is done in Philadelphia we like our teams and we hate everyone else . . .

Well, we aren't from Philadelphia, and we don't necessarily do everything like its done in Philadelphia.

:rolleyes:

Henrik

20-01-2005, 05:51

That is my opinion and that is how it is done in Philadelphia we like our teams and we hate everyone else
Yoda: "Hate leads to the dark side" :swars:

Stezagud

20-01-2005, 12:17

Chelsea?? I don't really care if they do, perhaps because I don't really hate Chelsea (hopefully Milan or United will stop them). But that wouldn't be good for Mourinho's health. He'd probably explode from the self-satisfaction.

I dont want Chelsea to win the whole tournament but i'd definately like them to put Barcelona out. I remember a few years ago (before Abramovich) when Chelsea played Barca in the quater finals. They were expected to get hammered but instead played Barca off the pitch and were 3 up before Figo got a late away goal :rolleyes: in the end they lost the second leg after extra time...

The only other team I could possible stand to see win anything is Newcastle United

Newcastle?..Win a trophy?.....The only Geordies who can remember success live in nursing homes :D