Manchester United Football Club [Archive]

Stezagud

04-07-2004, 06:45

Wow, our own thread :D

Nicky Butt will probably be a Newcastle player by next weekend :( A true Utd player, Manchester born and bred. I'd be happy if he stayed but he has an England career to think about and Utd's sub bench is not the best place to try and get selected from (though Phil Neville's 40 caps suggest otherwise ;) )

btw, what about Gabriel Heinze the defender. is he already move to Old Trafford?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/3735065.stm

We've signed him up for 5 years :cool:

What do you think your chances are to get Rooney? (Which may mean that RVN leaves for Real)

Well, David Gill today said that Utd can't afford Rooney at Evertons valuation. The press are saying that means only Chelsea are after him now but i don't actually think much has changed. Utd were never going to pay £45 - 50m for him and i don't think Everton expected to get that much either....

1 thing is certain though, they don't need to sell Ruud to buy Rooney :D
Utd can comfortably afford £40 - 50m on transfers each year and last years sales of Veron and Beckham mean that even though they have spent nearly £30M on Saha, Smith and Heinze, most of it was last years money :cool:

The only reason they wouldn't buy him is because they have already bought 2 strikers in the past 6 months.

argo

04-07-2004, 12:24

Ruud van Nistelrooy, Louis Saha, Alan Smith. are they sufficient to win back EPL title and conquer europe?

I heard that MU already signed Gerard Pique from Barcelona, a spanish U-17 defender.
Hmm.. can't wait to start the season.
and where the community shield will be held? Millennium Cardiff?

Stezagud

04-07-2004, 14:04

Ruud van Nistelrooy, Louis Saha, Alan Smith. are they sufficient to win back EPL title and conquer europe?

Maybe, i still feel that Rooney may end up at Old Trafford too, just not for the £50m Everton want ;)

I heard that MU already signed Gerard Pique from Barcelona, a spanish U-17 defender.
Hmm.. can't wait to start the season.
and where the community shield will be held? Millennium Cardiff?

yeah Pique was their best youngster so its quite a coup :D I think it is Cardiff for the Charity Shield too...

argo

04-07-2004, 14:10

so, when will Wembley finished the restoration? and how many seats will be available?

IMO Sir Alex sold Butt to give more chance to Phillip to play as def-mid. and since 4-2-3-1 didn't work properly last season, then Sir Alex will be back to 4-4-2 formation. United will play with two frontmen. :)

rossoneroid

04-07-2004, 20:25

2006 I think.

For United, forget Rooney (He looks like Shrek didn't he?). Carlos Queiroz is back << 2004/2005 Man Utd Best Signing.

For god's sakes, the biggest manu forums (redcafe.net) full of annoying man-u haters that provocate all the time! Thx god, here at MM, the milan haters didn't do so.

Henrik

04-07-2004, 20:43

I would probably quit football alltogether and become an alcoholist if it happened to me! :D

I pretend to drink for the same reason :grinser:

argo

05-07-2004, 13:39

No, you'll get drunk somehow, Henrik. ;)
you'll never quit. :D

Stezagud

05-07-2004, 14:13

For United, forget Rooney (He looks like Shrek didn't he?).

He does look like Shrek but he is still worth considering :) He is very much a Fergie type player, since Fergie joined there has almost always been a deep striker at United, from Hughes (who Rooney is most similar to) to Cantona then Sheringham and Yorke. The current team lacks a specialist in that role and although Scholesy has been successful there he is still seen as an attacking midfielder.

As i've said, Rooney is very similar to Mark Hughes who was one of my favourite players and the best volleyer i've ever seen :eek:

IMO Sir Alex sold Butt to give more chance to Phillip to play as def-mid. and since 4-2-3-1 didn't work properly last season, then Sir Alex will be back to 4-4-2 formation. United will play with two frontmen.

The tactics are all about Keane and as he will probably be a regular then he will again need someone to help with his running (his old legs can't do it anymore :( ) for that reason Phil Neville or maybe Djemba-Djemba will be a regular too...... EDIT - I forgot my prefered choice for the role, Darren Fletcher :D

Todays News

After stealing Barcelona's best youngster last week it appears we are about to steal Parma's best youngster soon too :D

http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,53-1141657,00.html

argo

05-07-2004, 14:35

Sir Alex is making his Dream Team IV. ;)
but IMO he will retire as soon as he had conquered europe once again. :D

rae

05-07-2004, 17:18

How long Rooney will stay at Liverpool, I mean when his contract expires?

argo

05-07-2004, 17:23

dunno exactly, maybe until 2006. but Everton surely will offer him a new (and better) deal.
Sooner or later he will move, hopefully to Old Trafford.

K77SH C

05-07-2004, 17:27

No offence to any man u fans, but I hate Machester United with a passion. :punch: Rooney, I think he will only be a striker who gets about 15 goals a season. He will probably have a Shevchenko type season maybe twice in his career.

zlatanov

05-07-2004, 17:38

I am sorry guys to disrupt your wonderful ManU type of discussions but isn't this an ACMilan forum - we have often mentioned that all fans are welcomed here - even Inter fans - but as long as we discuss Milan.
So, I am not sure why the fate of ManU, Liverpool, and Rooney who is now deffinitely not a Milan target are discussed HERE.

K77SH C

05-07-2004, 17:48

Forgive me if Im mistaken, but isnt general football exactly for these discussions. On the other hand, yeah lets just kick out all the Man U fans anyway hehe :diablo:

rae

05-07-2004, 17:49

zlatanov.... my dear friend, following the case of Heidi, I mean her ''official Barca thread'' I decided to make individual thread for MUFC fans who also supports ACM with passion. An such guys are at least three or even more... We do not want to offend ur feelings, we just want peacefully disscuss about our beloved team, and all here are welcomed to express their feelings toward one or another event which involves MUFC...:respect: :cheers:

K77SH C

05-07-2004, 17:51

Zlatanov, show some compassion and pity them. They support Man u . How unfortunate. :respect: No offence Rae :grinser:

argo

05-07-2004, 18:41

Zlatanov, show some compassion and pity them. They support Man u . How unfortunate. :respect: No offence Rae :grinser:
supporting a team depends to the eye of beholder, Kash.. It's nice to see you (or else) showed respect to rae and United fans (including me). and shall we do.

btw, reading your fav player, Roque Junior, then i could do nothing but :rotfl:
and i'm quite sure i'm not the only one. No offence, Kash. but how did u see him as the most gifted player in the world?
*peace*

rae

05-07-2004, 18:48

To me Roque is good player and I do not laugh...

K77SH C

05-07-2004, 18:49

The roque junior thing is only a joke as Im sure you know :hmmm:

rae

05-07-2004, 18:54

Do you remember last year's UCL final when Roque got an injury however he did not left the field letting ACM play in 10 men... it should be esteemed and respected by true ACM fan IMO.

K77SH C

05-07-2004, 18:56

Suppose so, but when ever he played fully fit it was as if we played with 10 men anyway. :tong:

argo

07-07-2004, 09:03

The roque junior thing is only a joke as Im sure you know :hmmm:
:rotfl:
sorry Kash.. to be honest, first time i read that, i knew it's a joke. but.. your comment (the most gifted player in the world), ain't it TOO MUCH? :D

you're right anyway, whenever he played in full fitness, it was like we're playing with only 10 men. ;)

...
As i've said, Rooney is very similar to Mark Hughes who was one of my favourite players and the best volleyer i've ever seen
Steza, what about Cantona's goal in The FA Cup final against Chelsea, in Wembley. We won 1-0, thanks to that volley goal. ;)

PS: rae!!!!!!!!!!!! come back!!!! the new season is coming!!!!

K77SH C

07-07-2004, 19:27

Read my new fav player :tong:

argo

09-07-2004, 08:37

Read my new fav player :tong:
LoL... :D
c'mon Kash... no need to be that sensitive... ;)

Stezagud

09-07-2004, 12:03

Steza, what about Cantona's goal in The FA Cup final against Chelsea, in Wembley. We won 1-0, thanks to that volley goal.

vs Liverpool not Chelsea :D

That was a great volley, I think Cantona's best was the one at Crystal Palace in 95(?) a 25 yard looping volley straight into the top corner :cool:
I still think Hughes was better though, 1 of his volley's was so good that Barcelona bought him because of it :eek: (back during the English in Europe ban in the 80's ) Another one was against Man City in 1989, Utd lost 5 - 1 :eek: but Hughes scored probably the goal of the season for Utds consolation ;)

argo

18-07-2004, 10:29

Hey mates..
what about the new United jersey? for season 04/06.

I personally prefer the old one (02/04) seasons.
The black strip on shoulder has changed to white and the logo moved to centre.
and the NIKE logo.. how come it's now bigger?? quite unbalanced. :depress:

nevertheless, i'll try to love it. :D

Stezagud

18-07-2004, 14:09

I prefered the old one too, but i'll probably buy it anyway :D I was going to order it direct last week but forgot :rolleyes:

argo

19-07-2004, 08:25

Steza, d'u know one more thing that makes that jersey worse??
This season we'll have regular "Lion Badges" on our arms, :( not the golden ones.

rossoneroid

20-07-2004, 19:31

I prefer the new one, especially when someone give me for free.

Stezagud

21-07-2004, 12:38

you got it for free ? thats my favourite price :D

argo

21-07-2004, 12:52

I got two UMBRO's United Jersey for free las couple years.
Well... thanks to internet, and manutd.com was very-very generous.
:D

Stezagud

21-07-2004, 13:08

lol, i thought i was doing well by getting my mate to get discount of 25%. I still have to pay £30 though :rolleyes:

rossoneroid

25-07-2004, 01:47

I got two UMBRO's United Jersey for free las couple years.
Well... thanks to internet, and manutd.com was very-very generous.
:D

How,Argo? I wanted it for free too :sun: :tongue1:
Btw, sir Alex call Heinze from the argentinian olympic squad. If Heinze didn't come then no manutd shirt for him next season. calm down, sirAlex. :rock3:

Stezagud

25-07-2004, 07:48

Btw, sir Alex call Heinze from the argentinian olympic squad. If Heinze didn't come then no manutd shirt for him next season. calm down, sirAlex.

I doubt he'll go that far ;)

More likely he meant that if John O Shea starts the season well then Fergie won't drop him, and if that means Heinze has to be a sub then so be it :cool:

argo

25-07-2004, 15:13

How,Argo? I wanted it for free too :sun: :tongue1:
pssst... rahasia...
shopping and shipping. :D

Btw, sir Alex call Heinze from the argentinian olympic squad. If Heinze didn't come then no manutd shirt for him next season. calm down, sirAlex. :rock3:
Hehe.. Maybe the media has translated it harshly. but Sir Alex is always having some troubles in dealing with international players. :D

IMO Heinze has been playing very good during Copa America 2004. I hope he can cope with Adriano and Alex in the final. ;)

argo

25-07-2004, 15:18

I've heard that Neville Brothers have extended their contract to United for next 5 seasons. Their weekly wages are ± £ 50,000
It's great to have em both. They are very versatile.

United also offering a new deal to Ferdinand.

Stezagud

26-07-2004, 12:24

argo

27-07-2004, 07:03

Finally.. Butt set for Newcastle United switch (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=85145&itype=466&icategoryid=123) :(

Nicky Butt is set to join Newcastle after Manchester United agreed to sell the Reds midfielder to the Tyneside club.
Butt, 29, will now finalise personal terms and complete a medical at St James' Park after returning home to England from United's USA Tour.
The club confirmed in a statement late on Monday evening: "Nicky Butt has left the Manchester United tour of America.
"Manchester United have agreed terms with Newcastle United pending a medical and Nicky Butt's personal terms."

Good Luck, Nicky...

argo

27-07-2004, 07:10

Utd lose to Bayern :eek:

Utd lost to Bayern in a penalty shootout in their first friendly but its not necesarily a bad result. Despite fielding masses of youngsters they held Bayern to a 0 - 0 draw :cool:

The line up was this:

-------------------Smith---------Bellion------------------

--Richardson------Djordjic----Djemba-Djemba-----Eagles--

---McShane-----Spector--------Keane--------Bardsley---

--------------------------Carroll-------------------------

A good showing from the youngsters, and when Fletcher, Ronaldo, Pique, Rossi etc are added then the future looks bright :D
:D I laughed when i saw that line-up, just b/c Muenchen played their "greater" line-up.
Anyway, United young players looked promising, tho they couldn't scored a goal, but they played very well as youngsters.

IMO Sir Alex is developing his 6th and 7th or even 8th generation at once. :D

sash

27-07-2004, 11:49

I say it's time to Ferguson to retire, he maybe once built a wonderful team but it's gone by now...

Stezagud

27-07-2004, 12:37

United young players looked promising, tho they couldn't scored a goal, but they played very well as youngsters.

I didnt really expect many goals :) Smith is not a prolific player and Bellion doesnt know what the goal is, though he's so fast he could probably bring home the 100m gold medal at the olympics ;) I can see it now, he's standing on the Podium in Athens as the crowd stand to hear the national anthem, Glory Glory Man Utd :cool:

What i was impressed at was that Bayern couldnt score against a defence made up of 3 teenagers and a legendary midfielder who's hips and knee's dont work anymore :D

I say it's time to Ferguson to retire, he maybe once built a wonderful team but it's gone by now...

I remember hearing that in 1995 too :D

sash

27-07-2004, 13:34

Well this time he realy should go

Stezagud

27-07-2004, 14:47

well considering its only a year since he last raised the Premiership trophy, added to the fact that this is undeniably a transitional period then i think he has earned the right to a few more years.

what i meant about 95 is that i remember the moaning when Fergie sold Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes, all 3 had contributed to the double. At the time the media and some fans were complaining, saying "how will we replace the Kanchelskis with a kid called Beckham?" and "how will that young Irish guy Keane step into Paul Ince's shoes?" Fergie answered all their questions and he deserves the chance to do so again.

shznitkes1

27-07-2004, 17:26

Man United is a top notch team but i dont like them and think they should lose every game they play

Giovanni

27-07-2004, 22:39

a question: is spector american?

argo

28-07-2004, 09:00

a question: is spector american?
yes, Gio. Here's what I got from United's official site, www.manutd.com

Jonathan Spector

D.O.B.: 3/1/86
Nationality: United States
Team: Manchester United Reserves
Position: Defender

Manchester United completed the signing of promising American teenage defender Jonathan Spector from Chicago Sockers in the summer of 2003.

Born on 3 January 1986, Jon is a regular in the United States Under-17 side and follows in the footsteps of Jovan Kirovski and John Thorrington as Americans who began their professional careers with United.

Jon also had offers from colleges in America, but decided to try his luck in England, with the lure of playing in the Premiership too great to turn down.

Stezagud

28-07-2004, 14:31

Man United is a top notch team but i dont like them and think they should lose every game they play

I guess you wont be buying a season ticket then :D

shznitkes1

28-07-2004, 16:41

:wth: :grinser: nope i guess ill be throwing things at the players

Henrik

28-07-2004, 17:02

Man United is a top notch team but i dont like them and think they should lose every game they play

then they wouldn't be top notch, would they :sun:
but if I see Fergie I will let him know that the mighty shznitkes1 requests that they loose all their games forever ;)

By the way, were you that streaker during Euro2004?

rossoneroid

28-07-2004, 19:18

pssst... rahasia...
shopping and shipping. :D

and hacking I guess :sagrin:

argo

03-08-2004, 11:54

Good news or bad news??
Sol Campbell is injured for 6 weeks, and Henry is doubtful for the opening match.

:D

argo

04-08-2004, 07:26

after spending some disappointing matches in Champions World Series - USA, United returned to Old Trafford.
United beaten PSV Eindhoven 1-0 at home yesterday. Silvestre scored in 25th min by a header, continuing Giggs' corner.
also reported that Van Nistelrooy played in that match. Maybe It was the final preparation for the new season.

United will play Arsenal in the Community Shield, August 8th.
then Champions League Qualifying against Dinamo Bukarest (Romania) or MSK Zilina (Slovakia), August 10th.
and the opening match for Premiership this season against Chelsea, August 15th, at Stamford Bridge.

and.. good news or bad news? Paul Scholes has announced that he is now retired from England national team.

Stezagud

04-08-2004, 13:47

Sol Campbell is injured for 6 weeks, and Henry is doubtful for the opening match.

even without them i cant see them struggling against Everton. Rooney is still injured too, if he had played he would have bullied Cygan :D

after spending some disappointing matches in Champions World Series - USA, United returned to Old Trafford.
United beaten PSV Eindhoven 1-0 at home yesterday. Silvestre scored in 25th min by a header, continuing Giggs' corner.
also reported that Van Nistelrooy played in that match. Maybe It was the final preparation for the new season.

I was more dissapointed with the lacklustre win than i was with the creditable draws vs Milan and Bayern. A lot of youngsters came through that tour and showed they are close to the first team now :cool:

and.. good news or bad news? Paul Scholes has announced that he is now retired from England national team.

For England :(

For Utd :D

England didnt use him properly anyway...

rossoneroid

04-08-2004, 23:42

I think the gunners is strong enough even without Campbell and Henry, and they now try to bid for Maniche. If the portugese in, then Vieira will sign for the los galacticos.

IMO, little ginger nut would back again to his NT.

argo

05-08-2004, 12:09

...
IMO, little ginger nut would back again to his NT.
I don't think so, Eko.. unless his wife said so. ;)
You know, Paul is a big family man. He wants more time for his family.

argo

05-08-2004, 12:13

August 2004
Sun 8/8 15:00 Arsenal N (FA Comunity Shield)
Wed 11/8 19:45 UCL Qualifier 1st Leg A
Sun 15/8 16:05 Chelsea A :eekani:
Sat 21/8 17:15 Norwich City H
Wed 25/8 20:10 UCL Qualifier 2nd Leg H
Sat 28/8 12:45 Blackburn Rovers A
Mon 30/8 12:00 Everton H

September
Sat 11/9 15:00 Bolton Wanderers A
Mon 20/9 20:00 Liverpool H :eekani:
Sat 25/9 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur A

October
Sun 3/10 15:00 Middlesbrough H
Sat 16/10 12:45 Birmingham City A
Sun 24/10 16:05 Arsenal H :eekani:
26 or 27/10 20:00 Carling Cup 3rd Rnd
Sat 30/10 15:00 Portsmouth A

November
Sun 7/11 16:05 Manchester City H
9 or 10/11 20:00 Carling Cup 4th Rnd
Sun 14/11 16:05 Newcastle United A
Sat 20/11 12:45 Charlton Athletic H
Sat 27/11 15:00 West Bromwich Albion A

December
30/11 or 1/12 20:00 Carling Cup 5th Rnd
Sat 4/12 15:00 Southampton H
Mon 13/12 20:00 Fulham A Sky
Sat 18/12 17:15 Crystal Palace H
Sun 26/12 15:00 Bolton Wanderers H (Boxing Day at HOME!!!)
Tues 28/12 20:00 Aston Villa A

January 2005
Sat 1/1 15:00 Middlesbrough A
Mon 3/1 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur H
Sat 8/1 15:00 FA Cup 3rd Rnd
11 or 12/1 20:00 Carling Cup SF 1
Sat 15/1 12:30 Liverpool A :eekani:
Sat 22/1 15:00 Aston Villa H
25 or 26/1 20:00 Carling Cup SF 2
Sat 29/1 15:00 FA Cup 4th Rnd

February
Tues 1/2 20:00 Arsenal A :eekani:
Sat 5/2 15:00 Birmingham City H
Sat 12/2 15:00 Manchester City A
Sat 19/2 15:00 FA Cup 5th Rnd
Sat 26/2 15:00 Portsmouth H
Sun 27/2 14:00 Carling Cup Final

March
Sat 5/3 15:00 Crystal Palace A
Sat 12/3 15:00 FA Cup 6th Rnd
Sat 19/3 15:00 Fulham H

April
Sat 2/4 15:00 Blackburn Rovers H
Sat 9/4 15:00 Norwich City A
Sat 16/4 15:00 Chelsea H :eekani:
Sat 16/4 15:00 FA Cup Semi Final
Wed 20/4 20:00 Everton A
Sat 23/4 15:00 Newcastle United H
Sat 30/4 15:00 Charlton Athletic A

May
Sat 7/5 15:00 West Bromwich Albion H
Sat 14/5 15:00 Southampton A
Sat 21/5 15:00 FA Cup Final (Only if we make it... :) )

All times are GMT.

K77SH C

05-08-2004, 12:14

argo

05-08-2004, 12:17

1. Howard
2. Neville, G
3. Neville, P
4. Heinze
6. Brown
7. Ronaldo
9. Saha
10. v. Nistelrooy
11. Giggs
12. Bellion
13. Carroll
14. Smith
15. Kleberson
16. Keane
17. Miller
18. Scholes
19. Djemba-Djemba
21. Forlan
22. O'Shea
25. Fortune
27. Silvestre
29. Spector
32. Djordjic
35. Ricardo
39. Tierney

Additional players registered
23. Richardson
24. Fletcher
26. Bardsley
30. Steele
31. Jones, D
33. Eagles
34. McShane
38. Heaton

#8 is still empty, I thought Scholes would take it..
The numbers have been registered for the qualifying round only; changes are likely to be made to the list should United reach the Group Stages.

housin7

05-08-2004, 12:18

8 games in January? that's like having a match in every 4 days!

and why English teams play during Boxing day and New Year? Don't they get holidays?

argo

05-08-2004, 12:27

Do you guys think its good for United that he has quit international football. I think it shows his lack of fighting spirit with the emergence of Lampard. Persoanlly, I think its better for England becuase they were playing with 3 centre mids. :dontkn:
Obviously, many players become better since they quit from international duty, i.e. Maldini, Shearer and Keane. They showed great performances in the club level.
And it ain't about the lack of fighting spirit, Paul has 66 caps/14 goals for England and he must have such a specific consideration to retire. Life ain't merely football. :D

But you're right, It might be good for England as they can give more chance for youngsters like Joe Cole, Kieron Dyer etc.

argo

05-08-2004, 20:33

http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=setSelectedId&nextPage=enNewsLatest&id=601667&type=com.fapl.website.news.NewsItem&

United officials confirmed Van Nistelrooy will enter hospital for surgery on a sportsman’s hernia next week that is likely to keep the prolific Dutchman out for a month.

Having only played 45 minutes of United’s pre-season campaign so far, it is not known whether the former PSV Eindhoven man picked up the injury against his old club or whether it is a legacy of Holland’s run to the semi-finals of Euro 2004.

Either way, it has left a massive hole in Sir Alex Ferguson’s plans for a demanding opening month of the campaign that includes United’s first four Premiership games - including the key opening weekend trip to Chelsea - and the crucial Champions League double-header with Dinamo Bucharest.

While Louis Saha and Alan Smith have performed encouragingly since their arrival at Old Trafford over the past seven months, the prospect of entering the new campaign without Van Nistelrooy, who last season became the second fastest player in United history to hit a century of goals, will be a worry.

The 28-year-old has rarely missed a game through injury since completing his £18.5million move from PSV three summers ago and tonight’s shock news means he is almost certain to miss Holland’s forthcoming internationals against Sweden and the Czech Republic.

The one bit of good news for Ferguson is that Van Nistelrooy should be fully fit for the group stages of the Champions League - providing United overcome Dinamo - and the injury may give an indication why the Red Devils boss was so adamant that Diego Forlan would not be allowed to join Levante on loan, even though the Spanish outfit claimed a deal had been agreed.

http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=setSelectedId&nextPage=enNewsLatest&id=601656&type=com.fapl.website.news.NewsItem&

The summer arrival from PSV Eindhoven was dismissed for an altercation with Olivier Dacourt following a needless hack by the former Leeds United midfielder on Arjen Robben during the ChampionsWorld series match in Pittsburgh.

The FA, who under FIFA regulations have jurisdiction over disciplinary matters involving English clubs playing overseas in friendlies, received an official report of the incident from US Soccer.

The FA do not regard friendlies as counting towards any ban, and so have ruled Kezman must complete a further three-match suspension, which is scheduled to begin on August 17.

While the Serbia and Montenegro striker is now free to face Manchester United in the Barclays Premiership opener, he would miss the matches against Birmingham, Crystal Palace and Southampton.

Stezagud

06-08-2004, 13:36

Do you guys think its good for United that he has quit international football. I think it shows his lack of fighting spirit with the emergence of Lampard. Persoanlly, I think its better for England becuase they were playing with 3 centre mids

It does make things easier for Eriksson when he picks his central midfield but he still has the problem of who to play left. I.ve backed the Bridge/Cole theory for years but he doesnt seem to like it :rolleyes:

I dont think Scholes lacks fighting spirit, both Eriksson and Ferguie have said that Scholes has been talking about this for a long time, before Lampard was even established in the side. It is definately a decision made with his family in mind, as Argo said he is very much a family man.

argo

06-08-2004, 14:10

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=90719

Macari: England 'circus' made Scholes quit.
6/8/04 10:25 AM

Lou Macari was one of the few people who predicted Paul Scholes' shock retirement from international football.

The ManUtd.com columnist told Talksport listeners during Euro 2004 that he could see the United forward calling time on his England career, and he cites the player's aversion to the spotlight as a chief reason behind the announcement.

Lou told us: "Apart from the Press getting on his back, the whole England setup and the way they go about their business is not really for Paul Scholes - all the garbage that goes with it doesn't suit him.

He doesn't want all the Press conferences, the hullaballoo, the trips to Sardinia with Sven and Nancy, the bouncy castles at the training camp during the competition. I wouldn't like that, and I just get the feeling that Scholesey's a bit like me - someone who just wants to concentrate on football.

"It's not his scene at all, and it wouldn't be mine either because it's all crap. It's a circus. The only thing that's actually necessary - to go out and win football games - they can't do.

They can do all the rest. All they do is get past the group stage and then get knocked out at the next stage. When you see the Czechs and Greeks doing really well, you realise how bad a tournament it was for England."

Macari is in no doubt that Scholes' retirement will delight Sir Alex Ferguson and benefit United for years to come.

He said: "Without a doubt it'll benefit United. Sir Alex has a nightmare when international week comes around because most times he's got seven or eight players away. He's always got his fingers crossed that nobody comes back with an injury, and come back on time.

" I remember last season Diego came back at 4pm on a Friday from South America! It was ridiculous. Now Fergie has one less player to worry about, and I'm sure he's delighted it's Paul Scholes."

rossoneroid

08-08-2004, 01:51

D@mn, I think my local tv doesnt relay the community shield!

argo

08-08-2004, 11:25

yeah.. quite surprising b/c they even broadcasted friendly matches but not THIS official match. :wallbang: how come???

argo

08-08-2004, 11:32

Arsenal 3 - 1 Manchester United
49' [1 - 0] G. Silva
55' [1 - 1] A. Smith
59' [2 - 1] J.A.R. Calderon
79' [3 - 1] M. Silvestre (o.g.)

Disappointing result but good sign. United oftenly lost the title when they won the Community Shield (or Charity Shield previously).
However United lost many key players and Sir Alex seems to sacrifice this match. Poor Ryan Giggs, he lost in front of his home crowd. :(
I'm looking forward for this season.
Cheers to Alan Smith, he scored in his official debut! ;)

anyhow, congrats to Arsenal.
:cheers:

Stezagud

08-08-2004, 14:45

yeah, all things considered this inst so bad, 3 out of the first 4 strikers out but the other one scores a great goal :cool:

The important matches come on Wednesday and Saturday so hopefully everyone fit will be ready by then. The opnly thing that slightly dissapointed me was the poor defending for Arsenals goals, all 3 shouldve been stopped easily :rolleyes: still over 1 month to Rio's return :(

kris

09-08-2004, 02:27

Obviously, many players become better since they quit from international duty, i.e. Maldini, Shearer and Keane. They showed great performances in the club level.

Keane got better after he retired? Huh, he is far from what he was at his best and I saw no change after his international retirement. As for Scholes I think it is a very good decision for him personally, for some reason he always was mcuh better on a club level than in the national team. Now he can concentrate on what he did best ;)

Snapster

09-08-2004, 12:26

If there ever is a call to have a manure board on these forums I'll be first on the list in protest. A thread like this in general discussion is fine, but a dedicated board is not. If you want to share topics on man utd with like minded, go to a dedicated site for them, same goes for any club as this is for AC only ;)

Haroon

09-08-2004, 12:51

Why do we have this crappy thread for a cra.... ex-decent club in MM? :grinser: I can see lots of debates in this thread in the coming season coz the Mancs will not be sleeping tight :kiss:

My sympathies for my buddy Stezagud and his gang :skull: :devil:

Debs

09-08-2004, 13:35

Stezagud

09-08-2004, 16:22

Keane got better after he retired? Huh, he is far from what he was at his best and I saw no change after his international retirement.

well i think you and Argo are both right. While Keane didnt improve as such by retiring from International football, he has slowed the rate of decline considerably. His dodgy hip means he should only play 20 - 30 games a year now, but by not having to worry about International games he can spend more time recovering and play more games for Utd :cool:

Why do we have this crappy thread for a cra.... ex-decent club in MM? I can see lots of debates in this thread in the coming season coz the Mancs will not be sleeping tight

I think things will be very tough for the first few months, 9 players are out before the seasons even started and Chelsea away as the first fixture :eek: It could be the end of September before Fergie can pick something near his first choice team :(

My sympathies for my buddy Stezagud and his gang

thanks mate, though i have the feeling you'll be dropping by this thread to gloat quite often this year ;)

It's an amusing trend I am seeing tho--we have a number of newer members who support ofther teams first. Why is that? Is it b/c these forums are so friendly or don't these other teams have forums for fans???

Thats a good point, though im not so new anymore, im one of the "divided loyalties pioneers" ;) i started coming here to find out transfer news last summer and ended up being quite frequent because it is a friendly site :hug:

I think that MM has a more International feel than most of the Utd forums i'd seen, but (despite the distances most fans are from the team) the support is still passionate enough to generate decent discussion :cool:

Haroon

09-08-2004, 17:23

well i think you and Argo are both right. While Keane didnt improve as such by retiring from International football, he has slowed the rate of decline considerably. His dodgy hip means he should only play 20 - 30 games a year now, but by not having to worry about International games he can spend more time recovering and play more games for Utd :cool:

He should get a new a$$ :zany: :dielaugh:

I think things will be very tough for the first few months, 9 players are out before the seasons even started and Chelsea away as the first fixture :eek: It could be the end of September before Fergie can pick something near his first choice team :(

I'll see what they can do after September! :D :diablo:

thanks mate, though i have the feeling you'll be dropping by this thread to gloat quite often this year ;)

Obviously. It's coz I :respect: Manure a lot. :devil:

argo

11-08-2004, 08:49

Don't worry Snapster, we'll never stray from being a Milan ONLY forum!!! It's an amusing trend I am seeing tho--we have a number of newer members who support ofther teams first. Why is that? Is it b/c these forums are so friendly or don't these other teams have forums for fans???
to be honest, personally I don't really like this thread either. :D
IMO it will be much better if we change this thread into "English Premiership" so we can talk more to English football in general, not just United in particular.

Hey argo....Milan United is a total insult to Milan!!! :hammer:
because you said so..
as you wish, Debs.. ;)

Debs

12-08-2004, 08:09

because you said so..
as you wish, Debs.. ;)

Argo, that's very sporting of you! I mean seriously...Milan United....uggghhhhh! I want no connection between the 2!

:kiss:

:diablo:

almilan

12-08-2004, 08:23

As regards this roy keane and should he go back to international football?

The answer is he is coming back, he has already come back and its the right decision. In very simple terms his country wnts him and he wants to play for them. I think it will benefit man u anyway because it will take a load off his mind because of the circumstances in which he temporally stopped playing for Ireland. in fact he wanted to come back straight away when McCarthy was sacked but Ferguson vetoed it. Keane went through all last season without getting a major injury therefore proving to ferguson he has gotten over injury therefore what basis do man utd have to stop him playing for Ireland. As regards that he is not effective any more. he isnt cos hes older but he is still a top class player.

Also Liam Miller another Irishman played for Man U last night. A think he is a quality player but hes no Roy Keane. He is far superior techinally to Darren Flechter who played alot last year for man u though. What do the man u fans think of his chances of establishing himself in the team?

heidi azalea

12-08-2004, 08:54

Hey argo....Milan United is a total insult to Milan!!! :hammer:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Hahahahahahahahahahah...:sagrin:
I AGREE......:grinser::skull:
But nice to see ManU fans actively posting in this thread while Arsenal's thread... :tired:
Anyway, always remember the bottomline---> We are Milanisti !

Stezagud

12-08-2004, 15:45

As regards this roy keane and should he go back to international football?

I do think it will be good for Keane to play for Ireland again as i think this will be his last year for Utd anyway, so he may as well make the most of it. He's been my favourite player for a long time but he just doesnt have the legs to compete with the very best any more. The trouble for Utd is how to replace him as he is more than a player, he is the leader.

Milan have a similar problem when Maldini goes but at least with Nesta already in place they have it half solved :cool:

Also Liam Miller another Irishman played for Man U last night. A think he is a quality player but hes no Roy Keane. He is far superior techinally to Darren Flechter who played alot last year for man u though. What do the man u fans think of his chances of establishing himself in the team?

I first saw Miller play for Celtic against Anderlecht last year and he played a brilliant reverse pass, i remember saying at the time "that was too good for the Scottish league" so its nice to be right for a change :D I think you may have been a bit harsh on Fletcher as he is barely out of his teens, Miller was nowhere near Utd's first team at that age either. Both of them need time to develop but there is plenty of talent there.

As for his chances of getting established, i think he could have done without missing pre-season. With all the injuries arround he would certainly have got his chance, probably on the right wing against Chelsea. With Ronaldo (Olympics) Solskjaer (Crippled :( ) and Fletcher (Suspended) all out he would have started for sure but im not sure if he's fit enough.

Obviously. It's coz I Manure a lot.

:D i expected you to pay a visit after the Chelsea game because even i can't see how we will win that one :( im praying for the miracle of Stamford Bridge :hopefull:

to be honest, personally I don't really like this thread either.
IMO it will be much better if we change this thread into "English Premiership" so we can talk more to English football in general, not just United in particular.

I agree, it would be better to expand it to cover the whole Premiership, i want to be able to talk about other teams in the weeks Utd dont win ;)

almilan

12-08-2004, 16:54

I first saw Miller play for Celtic against Anderlecht last year and he played a brilliant reverse pass, i remember saying at the time "that was too good for the Scottish league" so its nice to be right for a change :D I think you may have been a bit harsh on Fletcher as he is barely out of his teens, Miller was nowhere near Utd's first team at that age either. Both of them need time to develop but there is plenty of talent there.

didnt intend to be harsh on fletcher it was more praise for miller your right there is plenty of talent there with both of them. but i think miller is only 22 maybe 23 so he cant be too much older than fletcher. anyway good luck to man u inthe priemership this year

argo

12-08-2004, 22:19

Argo, that's very sporting of you! I mean seriously...Milan United....uggghhhhh! I want no connection between the 2!

:kiss:

:diablo:
me either don't want any connection between those 2. I just wanna show that I support Milan and United. That's it and that's all! :D
btw, those clubs haven't met each other too many in the last couple seasons. It will be an exclusive clash IMO, just like Brasil and Germany in World Cup.

Stezagud

13-08-2004, 14:41

didnt intend to be harsh on fletcher it was more praise for miller your right there is plenty of talent there with both of them. but i think miller is only 22 maybe 23 so he cant be too much older than fletcher.

It sounds like Miller may start against Chelsea now and if so it will really be throwing him in at the deep end. I remember seeing him play on the right wing for Ireland a month or 2 ago and he did well (man of the match IIRC) so he probably will be ahead of Fletcher in the pecking order anyway, i just hope he gets fit fast.

anyway good luck to man u inthe priemership this year

Thanks, i think we'll need it :hopefull:

Haroon

13-08-2004, 17:20

Thanks, i think we'll need it :hopefull:

How are you feeling buddy for this Sunday's big game? :) :skull: I thought I should just pop in and wish you the best of you know ... well whatever ... you know ;) :devil:

Regarding the quote up there. You think you'll need it? :D Well I am sure you will get it!! Just grease up to ease the pain :howler: :devil:

(I am so looking forward to this season on the league and CL level)

argo

14-08-2004, 13:45

to Indonesian ppl here, EPL is already started, here's the schedule of TV Live Coverage on TV7.

Week 1
Saturday, August 14th
18.30 - 21.00 Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool (LIVE) FT: 1 - 1
21.00 - 23.00 Manchester City vs Fulham (LIVE) FT: 1 - 1

Sunday, August 15th
19.30 - 21.50 Everton vs Arsenal (LIVE)
21.50 - 00.15 Chelsea vs Manchester United (LIVE)

Week 2
Saturday, August 21st
18.30 - 21.00 Southampton vs Blackburn Rovers (LIVE)
21.00 - 23.00 Newcastle United vs Tottenham Hotspur (LIVE)

Sunday, August 22nd
21.50 - 00.15 Arsenal vs Middlesbrough (LIVE)

PS. All times are local to Jakarta.

argo

14-08-2004, 19:31

August 14th - Results
Tottenham Hotspur 1 - 1 Liverpool
Aston Villa 2 - 0 Southampton
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 1 West Bromwich Albion
Bolton Wanderers 4 - 1 Charlton Athletic
Manchester City 1 - 1 Fulham
Norwich City 1 - 1 Crystal Palace
Portsmouth 1 - 1 Birmingham City
Middlesbrough 2 - 2 Newcastle United

P.S.
to admins and mods, pls "rename" this thread. thanks anyway. ;)

rossoneroid

15-08-2004, 00:42

Thx, Go. Dont tell me that you work for TV7.

I agree if the thread rename to EPL .

Stezagud

15-08-2004, 13:20

How are you feeling buddy for this Sunday's big game? I thought I should just pop in and wish you the best of you know ... well whatever ... you know

I said before that i was hoping for a miracle and we didnt get it :sigh: but im more frustrated than upset. With all the trouble Fergie is having putting out a team i really thought Chelsea would dominate but in the end i was annoyed we didnt get at a point. Chelsea scored with their first meaningful attack and didnt create much of anything after that. From then on Utd dominated posesssion but had no poacher to get on the end of any moves, still over a month until Ruud's return :eek:

Regarding the quote up there. You think you'll need it? Well I am sure you will get it!! Just grease up to ease the pain

Its certainly gonna be a tough month or so but if were still within 5 points by the end of September then i will have high hopes again :cool: Im more hoping that Arsenal dont get as much luck for once :rolleyes: I dont think they play anyone decent for quite a few weeks so im just hoping they drop points somewhere...

Haroon

15-08-2004, 14:03

:D

Chelsea didn't play well in the second half but they got the job done. Man U crosses were awful .... I mean great! ;) :tong:

The wanks ... I mean mancs should get better when their key men return. By then their old guard of Keane, Giggs and Neville will need rest. :D It's a win win situation. :cool:

Stezagud

16-08-2004, 13:11

Chelsea didn't play well in the second half but they got the job done. Man U crosses were awful .... I mean great!

Quinton Fortune was the main offender but im willing to forgive him as that was only his second full game since January :eek: The other problem is that Smith and Scholes both like to drop off so there usually weren't many targets anyway :rolleyes:

I mean mancs should get better when their key men return. By then their old guard of Keane, Giggs and Neville will need rest.

Keane needs a rest already :D but Neville and Giggs should be ok. Gary Neville is only 29, a defender that age at Milan is considered a youngster ;) :cool:

Reza

20-08-2004, 13:21

Forlan leaving, who is Fergie buying then and soon? with all the injuries this is thinnest ManU squad I remember seeing.

Lombardia

20-08-2004, 16:11

smith, saha and the ruud boy boy is a very good strike force, and don't forget solskjaer. and scholes and giggs have also played up front at times, so i don't think they are in need of another striker.

ps forza newcaslte!! shut up dyer, and why the fu!k did we sell woodgate!!!!!!!!
5th place here we come.

rae

21-08-2004, 05:37

OK, guys, even I spent my summer in England, I have not an opportunity to follow the latest news about MUFC 04/05 squad, can ya tell about it:)

rossoneroid

21-08-2004, 20:39

Some youngsters reinforcements came up like the leeds forever boy, Alan Smith, Gabriel Heinze, Gerard Pique(yyaaaa..go ahead manu, steal that barca youngster), Giuseppe Rossi (again..steal parma youngster), Liam Miller.

argo

21-08-2004, 21:43

Forlan leaving, who is Fergie buying then and soon? with all the injuries this is thinnest ManU squad I remember seeing.
Forlan is leaving to Villareal for 2,5 M pounds.
U r right, Reza.. this is the thinnest squad. Actualy we've made some good signings, but unfortunately we had to missed some key players for various reasons.
Van Nistelrooy, Saha, Brown, Fortune, Solskjaer are injured. then Forlan is leaving. IMO United would survive with those players available.

btw, Smith's goal against Norwich City last night was wonderful. too bad we must conceeded one goal eventually, tho we won 2-1. United absolutely outplayed Norwich City but couldn't outscored 'em. :D
Keane played very good as CB, but IMO that wouldn't be sufficient to be played at the highest level of football. He did some good tackles and intersets, but he simply lost his speed (no wonder abt it). Sir Alex should return him back to his original position as def-mid.
Where's Heinze anyway? We're so so unlucky to sign him but have to lost him due to International duties, JUST in the time we need him most. :depress:

Thanks God Cristiano is back.

argo

21-08-2004, 21:48

Welcome Back, rae... how are you?? did London make you to be an Arsenal's fan? :D

rae

22-08-2004, 14:49

nop, I guess that Arse is the most hated club in London... Spurs are their favorite club...:D

argo

25-08-2004, 11:13

nop, I guess that Arse is the most hated club in London... Spurs are their favorite club...:D
Sure.. Arsenal is more to a French team than a British team. :D

meazza

30-08-2004, 05:59

PLEASE PLEASE FERGUSON, DO NOT BUY ROONEY!

27 million????

you could have Rosicky, Beattie and Van der Meyde for less than that. Or any number of players (i just picked those ones because I think they'd suit Man U)

he is soooo over-rated, I dunno what the english media is saying about him, but the international football sources i consult rate players like Tevez and Sneijder much more highly. Plus he is loathesome to look at, if he was in my team I wouldn't want to go near him incase i got siphillus or something.

here's hoping he injures himself (not to badly, I'm not a masochist) tonight and man u delay their decision, then in 5 monthes after he's scored 4 goals we'll see if they think it's a good idea spending 27 million on him.

ACMILAN1983

30-08-2004, 06:29

Plus he is loathesome to look at

Thats one of the greatest reasons to not want a player :D :D

rae

30-08-2004, 06:42

27 mio euros or smth???

Ohh it is high price however he is or will be worth for them a bit later;)

btw, he is englishman, he would be a representer of English NT in MUFC... we have too much foreign players...

SonOfBerlusconi

30-08-2004, 07:13

PLEASE PLEASE FERGUSON, DO NOT BUY ROONEY!

27 million????

you could have Rosicky, Beattie and Van der Meyde for less than that. Or any number of players (i just picked those ones because I think they'd suit Man U)

but isn't this kind of semi-random shopping exactly what fergie has been doing the last couple of years? how often does he hit the nail?

imho rooney is far from overrated but he needs to play in the right club to develop his talent and although i don't like manu, i think it's the best club for him to be in.
25/27 mill could be a pretty good investment compared to the amounts that manu has previously payed for their flops.

rae

30-08-2004, 07:17

25/27 mill could be a pretty good investment compared to the amounts that manu has previously payed for their flops.
ya mean... :wth:

argo

30-08-2004, 07:45

currently watching United - Everton live from Old Trafford. :(
Apparently Nigel Martyn is another Brad Friedel. He made some great saves.
Damn... 55 mins gone and stil nil - nil.
We do need Ruud van Nistelrooy!!!

argo

30-08-2004, 07:53

63 mins, stil 0-0
Giggs and Djemba-Djemba in
Fletcher and Kleberson out

argo

30-08-2004, 07:57

Smith.. hit the post... Oh no...
previously Ronaldo, then Smith..

argo

30-08-2004, 08:08

Smith's back-header.. wide... very close tho...
10 mins left, still 0 - 0.

argo

30-08-2004, 08:10

81 mins.
Ronaldo out, Bellion in.
Who will break the dead-lock??

argo

30-08-2004, 08:26

Final Whistle.
Manchester United 0 - 0 Everton

4 games, 5 pts. not a good stat to start the campaign.

kris

30-08-2004, 08:33

I saw the game, Everton showed a lot of heart. Where United more and more relied on their old tactic of just throwing the ball into the penalty area.

meazza

30-08-2004, 09:05

i don't get why i can't post this reply i wrote.

I even copy and pasted it and whenever i do that it won't work but i can write other stuff fine???

Stezagud

30-08-2004, 09:31

Ronaldo out, Bellion in.
Who will break the dead-lock??

Well Bellion wasnt going to, thats for sure.....

I expected this to be a tough month but i still felt we were strong enough to beat Everton at Old Trafford :rolleyes: 3 more weeks until Ruud comes back, Chelski and the Gooners could be 15 points clear by then :eek:

When Ferdinand and the other defenders are back i wont worry so much about the defence but the problem now is creativity. Its been like this for a while now and Fergie has tried to fix it by going after Ronaldinho and Robben. Rooney isnt being bought to score 30 goals a season, he is the one identified as the link between midfield and attack that Utd need. If he did score only 4 goals in 5 months it wouldnt bother me if he provides the creativity to help Ruud get 40+ a season.

meazza

31-08-2004, 06:23

SonOfBerlusconi

31-08-2004, 07:29

Man U could have signed Cassano, Adriano, Makaay, Tristan, Crespo, Drogba, Cisse Saviola, Trezeguet this season for the same amount. What man u are doing is gambling £5 in fruit machine with a £5 jackpot. So many things could go wrong, he could be the next Francis Jeffers.
...
terrible signing, Arsenal get Reyes, Chelsea get Robben and we get Rooney, half the player for twice the price.

But there's not one English player among those you mention - besides being an obvious talent who has already proved himself (unlike Ronaldo when they bought him), Manu is paying cash for Rooney's popularity. Had Ronaldo been english, his prizetag would have been astronomic as well.

Ofcourse Manu is gambling, but what about the likes of Veron, Kleberson, Forlan, (and perhaps Saha and Smith) who have been expensive half-solutions?

((In that perspective I think it's obvious that Wenger is spending money much more strategically.))

Stezagud

31-08-2004, 13:42

My problem is, he can never be worth paying this much for. I mean even if he does fufill his potential totally there will still be players equal to him (i mean he has been pretty mediocre most of last season, it's not like he has been dazzling the premiership for 2 seasons now week in week out, ronaldo looks a better player in my opinion and cost 12m), Man U could have signed Cassano, Adriano, Makaay, Tristan, Crespo, Drogba, Cisse Saviola, Trezeguet this season for the same amount. What man u are doing is gambling £5 in fruit machine with a £5 jackpot. So many things could go wrong, he could be the next Francis Jeffers.

I understand your concerns and share a few myself, but i do rate Rooney very highly. As SonofBerlusconi says Utd are buying his popularity too, £25m sounds a lot but they will make most of it back in merchandising before he turns 20.

Also, from that list only a few fit the particular type of player Fergie is looking for, a deep striker. Id say only Cassano and maybe Saviola could do it. Cassano would have been good and Fergie did try and buy him 3 years ago but even then the price was 17m, and would he risk his fledgling International career by leaving Serie A??
Saviola has become surplus to requirements at Barca and if they dont rate him then why should Fergie want him??

he hasn't the maturity and brains(he is clearly a brute rather than a thinker) to provide goals for at least 5 years and he couldn't score in a brothel...

His vision was the thing that most impressed me last year. He could see passes that his Everton teammates couldnt but with England his link play has already become vital. He is still immature but with Fergie's help, and that of people like Giggs, Scholes Neville etc he will have enough people to show him how to live if you want to be a success.

terrible signing, Arsenal get Reyes, Chelsea get Robben and we get Rooney, half the player for twice the price.

At least let him play a few games first :D

Stezagud

31-08-2004, 13:45

((In that perspective I think it's obvious that Wenger is spending money much more strategically.))

Or his board limit him better because they remember how much he spent on Wiltord ;)

meazza

31-08-2004, 13:47

the reason there's no english players in there is because england, in line with a team that hasn't won a major trophy, or even been in a final for about 40 years, don't produce a massive quantity of great playewrs. Unfortunatly the media don't realise this and anyone that is half decent as a teenager(*cough* michael owen *cough*) get pumped up to be the next pele. There are no english world class strikers right now, end of story, so of course a team looking for a world class striker (and i fail to see how a price tag of 25 million suggests they aren't) wouldn't be looking at an english player.

I think these players you mentioned more than illustrate my point, at least with Veron we thought we knew what we where getting but even spending 26 million on an established amazing talent does not guarantee success. Forlan and Kleberson where almost as highly rated as rooney (especially kleberson on he back of world cup 2002 success, bearing more than a little relation to rooney on the back of euro 2004 success) and yet they have failed to deliver, however they did not cost as much as 2 world class players.

we are getting screwed royally here.

Stezagud

31-08-2004, 15:32

the reason there's no english players in there is because england, in line with a team that hasn't won a major trophy, or even been in a final for about 40 years, don't produce a massive quantity of great players.

Holland and Spain dont win much either, even Italy has suffered a lack of success for over 20 years, but none of this would matter to Fergie and he's the one who picks the targets. The only reason Rooney being English matters is that he knows the Premiership already, unlike Veron, Forlan and Kleberson, though Kleberson now he is over his injuries is showing signs of the form that prompted Utd top buy him in the first place.

There are no english world class strikers right now, end of story, so of course a team looking for a world class striker (and i fail to see how a price tag of 25 million suggests they aren't) wouldn't be looking at an english player.

If Brazil suddenly had an 18 year old kid, called Wayno Roonerio ;) who scored more than a goal per game at the Copa and outshone all his more established team mates then i would expect any big European clubs looking for strikers to be interested.

we are getting screwed royally here.

Having seen the break down of the deal (£10m now, £10m next year, the rest dependant on success) I think we have done well. Rooney is sponsored by Nike who will want to cash in on his rising status. Nike pay Utd £30m a year for the privilage of supplying our shirts. Their will be a lot of grey suited guys sitting around tables licking their lips at the potential money to be made here. David Gill was Utds financial director before becoming chairman and im sure he would not have given the green light for this deal unless he was sure the Plc would get their moneys worth.

Lombardia

31-08-2004, 16:23

i'm not a man utd fan at all, but having seen most of your games this season, i really don't understand why fergie didn't go for another midfielder. you've got the wings position sorted out, i.e. ronaldo and giggs, but scholes and keane are getting on a bit, and you've lost butt. now your left with kleberson and djemba dejmba in the centre, who are not wc players, your team lacks a midfield engine.

ps forza newcastle!

SonOfBerlusconi

31-08-2004, 16:50

Saviola has become surplus to requirements at Barca and if they dont rate him then why should Fergie want him??

The former president gave Saviola and Kluivert long term contracts that Barca simply cannot pay. Kluivert gained his unpopularity when refusing to take a paycut - other players accepted. Barca has/is simply being run by fools (and instead of being selfcritical they blame others for all their misery. Lol.)

Well, Barca signed new players to force Saviola out. They didn't want to sell him, they just wanted someone else to pay his wages for a while..
I doubt Fergie (and most other big clubs) would go for Saviola as long as Barca has an option of taking him back after a year...

meazza

01-09-2004, 04:31

well it's been done now. I don't think this is a good idea, his talent is being seriously, seriously over-hyped. I just hope someone in Man Us midfield can out-preform expectations (kleberson maybe could come good) to try and fill the gaping holes there.

Stezagud

01-09-2004, 12:03

i'm not a man utd fan at all, but having seen most of your games this season, i really don't understand why fergie didn't go for another midfielder.

That was what concerned me too. Utd will be in desperate need of a defensive midfielder when Keane leaves and at the moment none of the players already there seem capable of stepping up to his level, though a few have potential.
Utd have had trouble breaking down the smaller teams for a while and its all because when teams come to Old Trafford they string 5 across midfield and try and hit on the break. When Keane was at his best it didnt matter how many they had in midfield because he would still dominate them but now he needs another defensive player to help do the running. 2 defensive players central means the creativity has to come down the wings and it often ends up wasted.
To counter this Fergie had been trying to find a player to play behind Ruud, a striker who helps the midfield. Scholes does it well enough but now Rooney can do it and Scholes can drop in to central midfield where his ability to find time and space should make Utds passing more fluent. It might be enough for now but it doesnt fix the problem of how to replace Keane.

well it's been done now. I don't think this is a good idea, his talent is being seriously, seriously over-hyped. I just hope someone in Man Us midfield can out-preform expectations (kleberson maybe could come good) to try and fill the gaping holes there.

And his debut will be against Liverpool :D he is as likely to get sent off as he is to score :cool:

rae

02-09-2004, 04:01

And his debut will be against Liverpool :D he is as likely to get sent off as he is to score :cool:

:punch: :hmmm: likely to get hattrick then to be sent off :cool: :firedev:

rae

03-09-2004, 09:44

http://crocodyle.homeip.net/john/stuff/keown.jpg

rae

03-09-2004, 10:02

Chelski :yuck:
:sob:

argo

03-09-2004, 21:01

Stezagud

04-09-2004, 04:17

Looks about right, though Silvestre and Heinze will probably be the left back and left centre back (im not sure which way round yet :) )

Rooney will maybe be used like Ronaldo was last year, a few games to start wit and gradually more and more as the season progresses :cool:

rae

04-09-2004, 06:23

_________________RvN________________________
_____________Rooney/Smith/Saha_______________
_____Giggs____Scholes____Keane____Ronaldo_____
____O'Shea___Heinze___Ferdinand___G. Neville____
________________Howard______________________

Main subs: Ph. Neville, Bellion, Djemba 2x, Kleberson, Ole, Brown, Silvestre, Miller, Ricardo and many other young brilliants.
:firedev:
Glory glory...

argo

04-09-2004, 10:44

Looks about right, though Silvestre and Heinze will probably be the left back and left centre back (im not sure which way round yet :) )
Last season I heard that Silvestre wanted to play only as centre-back, but IMO he's just TOO LEFT-FOOTED to play at center. :D
with Heinze's arrival, Sir Alex will have more options on our defense. all in all, Ferdinand is a "must". Look, how many times we conceeded goals from header and set-pieces (apparently England too).

Rooney will maybe be used like Ronaldo was last year, a few games to start wit and gradually more and more as the season progresses :cool:
Typically Fergie, he placed players into several different positions. :D
Only RvN, Ferdinand and Howard are still in their original position.

can't wait to see United's main squad.
my prediction, as usual, boxing-day will be our turning point to catch Arsenal and Chelski.

Stezagud

04-09-2004, 12:11

Main subs: Ph. Neville, Bellion, Djemba 2x, Kleberson, Ole, Brown, Silvestre, Miller, Ricardo and many other young brilliants.

Unfortunately i doubt Ole will be on the subs bench for a very long time :(

Last season I heard that Silvestre wanted to play only as centre-back, but IMO he's just TOO LEFT-FOOTED to play at center.
with Heinze's arrival, Sir Alex will have more options on our defense. all in all, Ferdinand is a "must". Look, how many times we conceeded goals from header and set-pieces (apparently England too).

True, hopefully Silvestre will learn to be happy with left back, though he did play well their with Rio last season before the ban...oh well, Fergie knows best :D

can't wait to see United's main squad.
my prediction, as usual, boxing-day will be our turning point to catch Arsenal and Chelski.

We'll have to turn it around before then, they're 7 points clear already :eek: Rio, Ruud and Rooney are back for the liverpool game so hopefully the team will take shape in the games after that :cool:

argo

04-09-2004, 12:59

so far, United's defense is quite strong. The problem we have right now is "goal scoring".

rae

06-09-2004, 07:43

so far, United's defense is quite strong. The problem we have right now is "goal scoring".
hohhohoohohoho. RuudieGoal will help us :firedev:

rae

09-09-2004, 07:34

Hey, what's happened to Gary Neville??? And why Saha was substituted only 9 mins gone???

argo

09-09-2004, 11:38

Hey, what's happened to Gary Neville??? And why Saha was substituted only 9 mins gone???
I didn't watch both England and France's matches, rae.. The local TV Station has changed the schedule, they broadcasted Netherlands - Czech Rep. instead of Poland - England. :wallbang:

btw, this is the most beautiful United's fan in Indonesia. Her name is Dian Sastro. She's an actress.

Stezagud

09-09-2004, 12:00

argo

09-09-2004, 12:09

Gary Neville went into a 50/50 tackle and got hurt quite badly, he limped around for about 5 minutes then got subbed off. Phil Neville may have to play instead against Bolton. I dont know about Saha but i heard it might be his ligaments again :( he will miss the Bolton game probably.
Yup.. Saha injured his left leg. :wallbang:
This is such a disaster for us, Rooney and Ruud ain't ready enough to play... :depress:

btw, Cristiano Ronaldo played very-very good in the recent 2 Portugal games. He inspired both Portugal wins...

1 more reason for me to move to Indonesia ;)
Haha.. and You need to fight against all Indonesian men (including me!) to get her. ;)

but somehow I'll welcome you here, Steza.. :)

Stezagud

09-09-2004, 12:27

Yup.. Saha injured his left leg.
This is such a disaster for us, Rooney and Ruud ain't ready enough to play...

Never mind, we still have Alan 'goal machine' Smith :D We'll probably end up drawing again at Bolton and losing more ground on the gooners and Chelsea...

btw, Cristiano Ronaldo played very-very good in the recent 2 Portugal games. He inspired both Portugal wins...

lets hope he brings the magic back to Manchester :)

Haha.. and You need to fight against all Indonesian men (including me!) to get her.

but somehow I'll welcome you here, Steza..

dont worry mate, it's far too warm for me where you are. As soon as i step off the plane i'm sure i'd run back on and beg the pilot to take me back to the cold of Britain ;)

zlatanov

09-09-2004, 17:30

:rock3: ManU sucks big time. :rock3: :diablo: :grinser:

rae

10-09-2004, 04:48

btw, this is the most beautiful United's fan in Indonesia. Her name is Dian Sastro. She's an actress.
pretty, but not enough to conquer.... :rollani: :love:

rae

10-09-2004, 08:44

Rooney out for three weeks more (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=224843&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=ROONEY+WORRY+FOR+ENGLAND)

Stezagud

10-09-2004, 13:17

ManU sucks big time.

thanks for sharing your opinion with us :rolleyes: ;)

Actually, your not wrong at the moment, drawing with Blackburn and Everton are not the results of potential champions, hopefully when the injury list gets a little shorter the true Utd will shine again :)

Rooney out for three weeks more

:( Neville, O Shea, Saha, Ruud, Ferdinand, and Brown will be with him in the stands too :irritate:

Giovanni

10-09-2004, 13:23

I checked the Man Utd website and listened to the anthems...very nice!
WE LOVE UNITED..WE DO.WE LOVE UNITED..WE DO...

The Devil will forgive me to write another team's anthem tough

Stezagud

10-09-2004, 13:45

Heres a song thats no use to Utd but Milan could have it :)

Yip-Jaap Stam is a big Dutch man,
Get past him if you fu*king can,
Try a little trick,
and he'll make you look a d*ck,
Yip-Jaap,
Jaap Stam.

;)

I always liked the Cantona songs most :cool:

http://www.unitedmanchester.com/sport/mufc-songs-team.htm

argo

10-09-2004, 15:17

...
I always liked the Cantona songs most :cool:
...
me too, Steza.. ;) Ooh! Ah! Cantona...
I've heard 'em all in the last century. That time my friends went to London, both are my schoolmates and one of 'em is United and Cantona's fan.
When he went back home he brought so many United stuffs, but most were Cantona's ;) shirts, books, posters and videos.. and a United shirt for me.
From those stuffs, there was one he loved most. It was a black Cantona t-shirt written [/B]"ERIC'S BACK!!! NOW OTHERS MUST SUFFER..."[/B] on its back. ;)

Eric was the only reason for me to watch Premierships and United. tho he's now retired but He made me what I am now.. a United fan. :proud:

rae

11-09-2004, 03:43

Eric The King

Eric The King, he's remarkably trendy,
He's done some modelling around town,
Wearing the best suits up on the catwalk,
Whilst the Leeds scum they just frown,
On the field, it's almost unreal,
Some of the things that Eric does,
Superb overhead kicks,
remarkable back flicks,
I'm sure the guy just takes the piss.

He once played for Marseilles but never for Arsenal,
Or Liverpool or even Man City,
Landed in Yorkshire, a terrible blunder,
Which was ten months with the Sheep,
He's had his brief spell there with the Leeds scum,
But then he realised they were has-beens,
Only one way now for Eric to go now,
To the Theatre of all Dreams.

Eric is so cool, remarkably cultured,
He likes good music and poetry too,
Performing the fine arts on the field,
For the boys they call Man U,
He's a legend without any doubt,
He will reign for years to come,
We will stand there in admiration,
With countless more trophies won.

The end of November, we'll always remember,
As the time he made that special move,
Poetry in motion, the deadliest potion,
He's got nothing left to prove,
The King's still our hero, as well as De Niro,
But this ain't the movies this is real life,
He won't leave United, for that we're delighted,
Because this Club's his real wife.

rae

11-09-2004, 07:00

Club Applies For Old Trafford Expansion

Manchester United have submitted an application for planning permission to expand the capacity of Old Trafford to 75,000.

If the application is successful, work on expanding the North West and North East Quadrants (the corners either side of the North Stand) could begin early next year.

Manchester United PLC confirmed the application had been lodged in a statement to the stock exchange on Friday afternoon.

The statement reads: "Further to the statement made in the Company's interim results announcement on 30 March 2004, Manchester United announces that it is today submitting an application for planning permission to Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council to expand the North East and North West Quadrants of the Old Trafford stadium.

"If planning permission is granted, the Board of Manchester United will take the final decision on whether to proceed with the project prior to the main construction contracts being awarded in early 2005."

Issue: MUFC (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=103428)

Stezagud

11-09-2004, 11:35

me too, Steza.. Ooh! Ah! Cantona...

"i have got a friend in Jesus, and his name is Cantona......" ;)

Another good one is the "12 days of Christmas" where the gift each day is changed to Cantona :cool:

Manchester United have submitted an application for planning permission to expand the capacity of Old Trafford to 75,000.

yeah, they've been planning this for a long time now and from what i've heard the planning permision is almost certainly going to be given :) After the corners are done there is still a chance that the North Stand might be built up as well, bringing capacity up to around 90,000 :proud:

Well, i predicted a draw at Bolton so i wasn't too surprised about it :rolleyes: we nearly lost though, they scored in the 90th minute :eek: but Bellion equalised in injury time :clap:

argo

11-09-2004, 12:14

...
yeah, they've been planning this for a long time now and from what i've heard the planning permision is almost certainly going to be given :) After the corners are done there is still a chance that the North Stand might be built up as well, bringing capacity up to around 90,000 :proud:
It will be larger than Wembley. :D

Well, i predicted a draw at Bolton so i wasn't too surprised about it :rolleyes: we nearly lost though, they scored in the 90th minute :eek: but Bellion equalised in injury time :clap:
Heinze scored in his debut, great! tho we got only 1 point. :depress:
Scored 2 and conceeded 2. We're in touble, guys.. We DO NEED Ferdinand and Van Nistelrooy.. very very soon!

housin7

11-09-2004, 12:43

dont worry mate, it's far too warm for me where you are. As soon as i step off the plane i'm sure i'd run back on and beg the pilot to take me back to the cold of Britain ;)

Do you live in London Stez? I heard that it is the sunniest city in the world :haha:

I predicted that United will not win tonight, and it is proven right.. Soccernet mentioned that they even got lucky to earn a point as the last goal was "the last kick" of the game. When will Ferdinand be back? Without him, United would just concede lotsa goals..

On the other hand, Arsenal is unbeaten for 45 games and still going strong! At this rate, with Chelsea, Liverpool and Man U kept on dropping points, they could be winning before January! :dazed:

Anyway, good luck for Man U for the upcoming matches, can't wait till they face Liverpool! :firedev:

rae

13-09-2004, 01:25

2:2 f*ckin result....:doh:

rossoneroid

13-09-2004, 04:07

Argo, RvN already played against Bolton.

Stez, it's that true?Expand the OT to 90,000..great news!

rae

13-09-2004, 06:52

Echo...yes it is true to expand Old Trafford....:D but I guess it wont be so huge - 90.000

rae

13-09-2004, 07:30

Solskjaer: I'll be back

Manchester United's forgotten man Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has vowed to make a successful return from injury.

The Norwegian hitman has endured injury woe in the past few seasons and is currently recovering from a cartilage operation last month.

Although many have written off the 31-year-old Old Trafford favourite, Solskjaer believes he is more than capable of regaining his place in Sir Alex Ferguson's first-team.

''In my situation, I can only concentrate on myself and make sure I do all the right things in order to get back into the team,'' said Solskjaer.

''The thought of playing - that's not to mention scoring - in that red jersey again is the best motivation in the world.

''I have been there and I will be back. I will score at Old Trafford again.

''That's a promise to myself and to the Manchester United fans.''
being a youth club of Scoucer's fans member in Norway he bacame adult and startet to think in right way...
!He is a MAN!

!Ole, Ole!

housin7

13-09-2004, 08:33

Oops, I am surprised that Baby-faced assasin is still at MU. So how many strikers do you guys have?

RVN, Smith, Rooney, Saha, Bellion, Ole.. Did I miss anyone?

argo

13-09-2004, 09:09

that's all, housin.. except the youngsters.
but half of them (such as Bellion, Smith, Rooney and Ole) can also be played as attacking midfielder.

echo, thanks for the correction. but mostly I want RvN to be "back" at his pike's peak. ;)

btw, I've read on United Official Website that Heinze has a German father and Italian mother. and he currently has Italian passport.
So he has EU nationality, right?

Stezagud

13-09-2004, 12:26

Heinze scored in his debut, great! tho we got only 1 point.
Scored 2 and conceeded 2. We're in touble, guys.. We DO NEED Ferdinand and Van Nistelrooy.. very very soon!

They will both be available from the Liverpool game onwards :D though it may take some time for them to get back to top form, Ruud played against Bolton but was well short of match fitness...

Do you live in London Stez? I heard that it is the sunniest city in the world

i live just north of Birmingham in the midlands, its raining now and the forecst is for heavy rain and probably hail too :D

Anyway, good luck for Man U for the upcoming matches, can't wait till they face Liverpool!

7 days to go :eek:

Echo...yes it is true to expand Old Trafford.... but I guess it wont be so huge - 90.000

yeah, the initial expansion is to 75,000. There is a chance that if Utd still sell out every week that they would look to build up the North Stand too but it would cost a lot as they would have to buy all the houses in the area and knock them down :cool: it might still happen though :hopefull:

that's all, housin.. except the youngsters.
but half of them (such as Bellion, Smith, Rooney and Ole) can also be played as attacking midfielder.

and a lot of the midfielders (Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes) can be useful emergency forwards :cool:

I've read on United Official Website that Heinze has a German father and Italian mother. and he currently has Italian passport.

yeah, he has no work permit troubles :D

Ruud Gullit

14-09-2004, 04:36

Very bad news is that Gary Neville should miss 4 week due injury.

rae

14-09-2004, 04:50

Very very bad news....:cry:
Knee injury quite serious:(

Ruud Gullit

14-09-2004, 04:53

Gary Neville my favourite English player, I like him very much.

Stezagud

14-09-2004, 09:39

Gary Neville is a red, he hates scousers :D

His experience would be very useful at the moment but fortunately Rio and Wes Brown are back soon. The same defence that messed up against Bolton will be playing against Lyon :rolleyes: but after that Rio's suspension ends :cool:

argo

14-09-2004, 09:55

Players come, players go...
When will they come together?? :depress:

argo

15-09-2004, 21:41

Lyon 2 - 2 Manchester Utd. :wallbang:
another draw?? :depress:
when will we win our first away game??

anyway I'm glad to see RvN came back to the scoresheet. His 2 goals saved United, and he is now the most United player ever scored in European Competition, 30 goals!

rae

16-09-2004, 06:16

Ruudi is the MAN, That's why I declare he is the best forward in the world at the moment...even Henry can nor compare to him...:fero:

Glory glory...

:mex:

Stezagud

16-09-2004, 11:11

anyway I'm glad to see RvN came back to the scoresheet. His 2 goals saved United, and he is now the most United player ever scored in European Competition, 30 goals!

in just 33 games too :eek: Ruud is the king of Europe and even though he is still only half fit he showed how much we had missed him :cool:

Ruudi is the MAN, That's why I declare he is the best forward in the world at the moment...even Henry can nor compare to him...

maybe not the best allrounder, but certainly the deadliest :D

Liverpool are playing well at the moment so the big game next monday could be very tough :nervous: Rio might get thrown straight in to the defence because they are playing terribly at the moment....

argo

16-09-2004, 11:31

in just 33 games too :eek: Ruud is the king of Europe and even though he is still only half fit he showed how much we had missed him :cool:
maybe not the best allrounder, but certainly the deadliest :D
yeah.. considering he's not naturally a footballer or striker. in this case we must thank to Dennis Bergkamp for inspiring Ruud. ;)

Liverpool are playing well at the moment so the big game next monday could be very tough :nervous: Rio might get thrown straight in to the defence because they are playing terribly at the moment....
absolutely, Steza... Brown and Silvestre kept on and off all the time. :wallbang:
IMO both should be placed as full-backs because as centre-backs they would risk us more. :D

Thank God Rio is back. :cool:

Stezagud

16-09-2004, 11:43

yeah.. considering he's not naturally a footballer or striker. in this case we must thank to Dennis Bergkamp for inspiring Ruud.

I cant bring myself to thank a Gooner like Bergkamp so i'll thank Van Basten instead :D

absolutely, Steza... Brown and Silvestre kept on and off all the time.
IMO both should be placed as full-backs because as centre-backs they would risk us more.

yeah, the defence is changed every game at the moment and this lack of continuity is causing havoc :rolleyes:

Hopefully when Rio is back the defence can become settled and that will give the team a solid platform from which to attack :cool:

argo

16-09-2004, 11:49

I cant bring myself to thank a Gooner like Bergkamp so i'll thank Van Basten instead :D
:haha: :rotfl: actually me too, Steza..

yeah, the defence is changed every game at the moment and this lack of continuity is causing havoc :rolleyes:

Hopefully when Rio is back the defence can become settled and that will give the team a solid platform from which to attack :cool:
likely it would be Ferdinand - Heinze in centre.
What about our attack for Liverpool game? "How many" players we got?
:D

Stezagud

16-09-2004, 12:10

What about our attack for Liverpool game? "How many" players we got?

Well, Ruud will play and thats good enough for now :D
Fergie may play his 4-4-1-1 with Scholes just behind Ruud but i would prefer a 4-4-2 with Ruud and Smith up front and Scholes in midfield. Against Lyon we had no decent passing in midfield and the moves were breaking down before the ball had even got to the strikers. Djemba Djemba's passing ranges from :eek: to :dazed: and it was only down the wings could we advance with any fluency. If Scholes where in the middle things should improve.....

rae

17-09-2004, 04:12

Well, Ruud will play and thats good enough for now :D
Fergie may play his 4-4-1-1 with Scholes just behind Ruud but i would prefer a 4-4-2 with Ruud and Smith up front and Scholes in midfield. Against Lyon we had no decent passing in midfield and the moves were breaking down before the ball had even got to the strikers. Djemba Djemba's passing ranges from :eek: to :dazed: and it was only down the wings could we advance with any fluency. If Scholes where in the middle things should improve.....
So, Mister Ste, what do you think, do our line-up be simmilar to that we played in Lyon or any changes? :p286:

Stezagud

17-09-2004, 09:34

Id like Howard, O'Shea and Djemba Djemba out with Carroll, Smith and Rio put in.

Then we can play this:

------------------Carroll------------------

-Brown--------Rio-------Silvestre---Heinze-

-Ronaldo----Keane---Scholes-------Giggs---

-----------RvN----------Smth--------------

To me that is the best available line up at present :cool: but more likely Fergie will keep Djemba in and play 4-4-1-1 with Scholes behind Ruud again. Liverpool have some very mobile midfielders so Fergie will probably try to contain them by crowding them....

argo

18-09-2004, 13:01

We must win to keep our chance alive!!!
We must WIN!!!

btw, Arsenal has push 2-2 draw by Bolton!!!! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!
The time has arrived for us to RUN!!!

Shmikes

19-09-2004, 05:27

I love Bolton, well they held us to a draw earlier this season, but they do it to Arsenal every year, now we can begin to make up the gap. This game is gonna be a turning point with us on Monday, Rio back, Rooney on bench, getting everyone back now, lift the team, get a good result, lift confidence and morale, get a settled team and cause havoc once again. But we must win, a draw is not good enough. As for Ruud man where would we be without him, unbeleievable!!! I have been really impressed with Smith this season, I would prefer him and RVN up front with Scholes partnering Keane in the midfield, whist Howard keeps dropping shots, get Carroll in!!

Stezagud

19-09-2004, 06:01

I love Bolton, well they held us to a draw earlier this season, but they do it to Arsenal every year

yeah respect to Big Sam's Circus :respect: a collection of unproven youngsters, big team rejects and aging veterans :cool:

I have been really impressed with Smith this season, I would prefer him and RVN up front with Scholes partnering Keane in the midfield, whist Howard keeps dropping shots, get Carroll in!!

I agree completely but i'm not sure Fergie will do it, i hope im wrong but he may play 4-4-1-1 which is good for the defence but starves Ruud of chances :rolleyes: we should play to our strengths and attack !

Shmikes

19-09-2004, 19:16

Totally agree with you man, we shouldn't fear those Merseyside underachievers!! This will be a turning point tomorro, im very confident!!!

rae

20-09-2004, 04:07

I love Bolton
These days I started to love it also :ilol:
Id like Howard, O'Shea and Djemba Djemba out with Carroll, Smith and Rio put in. Man, u are reading my mind, the same formation would be preferd .... :rock3::mex:

Look out scoucers, we are comin

Glory glory...

Ruud Gullit

20-09-2004, 04:10

MU will win 3:1 (Van Nistelrooy-2 and Smith-Cisse) What do you think about Parma goalkeeper Frey, I have read, that he could replaced Howard.

SonOfBerlusconi

20-09-2004, 10:45

rio ferdinand back - fergie comparing it to the comeback of cantona? could be interesting. go liverpool! :nana:

Stezagud

20-09-2004, 11:08

MU will win 3:1 (Van Nistelrooy-2 and Smith-Cisse)

that would do nicely :) I often have a gut feeling, and my feeling this morning was 1 - 1 :( with Giggs to score. I hope its wrong because we could really do with 3 points this week, particularly with Chelsea and Arsenal only drawing...

What do you think about Parma goalkeeper Frey, I have read, that he could replaced Howard.

Robert Green of Norwich is being linked too :rolleyes: stories about Utd sell newspapers so the press will say whatever they can. Howard is lacking confidence and i would prefer Carroll to play today for that reason. The reason things havent been good for Howard is that Utds defence has changed every game this season :eek: With a consistent back four in front of him im sure he could have a good season again.

rio ferdinand back - fergie comparing it to the comeback of cantona? could be interesting.

yeah it should be a great :D When King Eric returned he scored so maybe Ferdinand will do the same ;)

go liverpool!

yes, go Liverpool ! go back to Merseyside and leave the 3 points in Manchester ;)

Shmikes

20-09-2004, 18:10

2-1 you beauty!!!!!!!!!! Who would have thought Silvestre would have been the hero? Good to see Rio back!!

argo

20-09-2004, 19:29

WTF!!! :pchate: :wallbang:
I MISSED THE GAME!!!!
I've waited for it and I missed it. :1ang:

anyway, WE WON!!!! :cool:

Congrats to us, battle against the reds has been always special and the victory against 'em has been always MAGNIFICENT.
Congrats to Ferdinand, a good come-back... and Giggs for his game #600 for United. You did it great, man!!! 2 assists.

:cheers:

P.S.
this victory really brings back my appetite. :D
:p283:

housin7

21-09-2004, 10:03

Darn.. Pool lost and Gerrard is injured.. Argh..

Anyway, congrats to Man U.

Stezagud

21-09-2004, 11:59

:D :D :D :D :D

A great performance, first half in particular :D

Keane was brilliant, Ronaldo was magical, Rio was composed and Mickey Silvestre :eek: he only had 2 goals in his entire Utd career before yesterday :D

Now we have to put togehter a run though, Tottenham away next and they are unbeaten so far.....who better than us to end their good start :D

almilan

21-09-2004, 13:08

watched the game last night and as a neutral regarding premiership i must say man utd were very impressive last night the whole back 4, Keane and Ronaldo in particular.
I have a lot of united this year and they had been very poor up to last night but they are back in form now

Haroon

21-09-2004, 20:01

Man Utd. played well and deserved the win. Liverpool were outplayed. I hope Tottenham parks the bus in front of the goal again as Mourinho said "Tottenham came with their bus and parked the bus in front of goal!". :D :star:

Shirley

22-09-2004, 03:12

My favorite is none other than Ryan Giggs. :p283:

Ruud Gullit

22-09-2004, 03:31

Why MU did play with 5 defenders? Who knows. I have read, that Rio plaid very good.

rae

22-09-2004, 03:37

Ok, guys congratulations. But I got one question: I do not comprhend the formation we where playin - 5 defenders??? I guess O'Shea was playing as midfielder or what?

------------------Carroll----------------

--Wes---Heinze----Rio----Silve--

----------------O'Shea?----------------

--Ron---Keane---Paul---Giggs--

------------------Ruud--------------

I am I right?

almilan

22-09-2004, 03:55

o' shea was playing centre midfield alongside keane.
o'shea was more attacking of two.
scholes played almost as a striker

Shirley

22-09-2004, 04:02

With Rooney coming back, I'm sure MU will do even better.

Shirley

22-09-2004, 04:03

Rio has been back at last.

Once Rooney joins, I'm sure MU will do even better. :p017:

rae

22-09-2004, 04:10

o' shea was playing centre midfield alongside keane.
o'shea was more attacking of two.
scholes played almost as a striker
you mean:

--------------------------------Keano-----------------------

------------------O'Shea------------------------------------

--------Ron---------------------------------Giggsy--------

-------------------------------Scholesy-------------------

-------------Ruudie----------------------------------------
!?

Shirley

22-09-2004, 04:29

Wenger admits Ferdinand will revive United challenge
Sep 18, 2004

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has admitted that Rio Ferdinand's return to the fold will be a major shot in the arm for rivals Manchester United.

"He will have a huge impact," Wenger predicted. "For us it would be like having Sol Campbell back after eight months. You just have to look at the position of United when he was in the team and how they dropped when he came out of the team."

"With Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney to come, I would say it is not logical to rule United out of the championship because it is very early in the season and it is not very astute because they have had big players out."

almilan

22-09-2004, 06:01

you mean:

--------------------------------Keano-----------------------

------------------O'Shea------------------------------------

--------Ron---------------------------------Giggsy--------

-------------------------------Scholesy-------------------

-------------Ruudie----------------------------------------
!?

yeah that formation is more or less right but keane and O shea were alongside each other more just o shea got forward a few more times.
o shea played ok not great, no where near as good as keane, some of ronaldos tricks were great.

argo

22-09-2004, 09:25

previously Sir Alex had played O'Shea in that position, i.e. against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge early this season.

next fixture against Tottenham? Hmm.. as long as it's not Casey Keller on goalkeeper, we will win!!!

btw, when will Rooney play? can't wait to see the two of best strikers in Euro '04 combined in United's red jersey.

Stezagud

22-09-2004, 12:08

O Shea played quite an attacking role and was ahead of Scholesy a few times, if his first touch had been better he might have had some decent chances :cool:

He isnt a bad midfielder and he certainly played better than Djemba has recently so he might stay in the side.

I think Rooney could make the bench for the Spurs match but i doubt he'll be starting for a week or 2 ;)

argo

23-09-2004, 09:48

Typically Fergie, he always play a player in some different positions. maybe just in case if we're running out of players in certain positions. :D

This season our goal scoring record has been far from expectation (particulary comparing to Arsenal's :D ). maybe Sir Alex should modify the attack and one of the solutions could be an 18-year-old striker named Wayne Rooney. ;)

Stezagud

23-09-2004, 12:15

We havent scored as many as Arsenal but considering we only had Smith and Bellion available for the first matches we havent done too badly :cool: Now that Ruud's back in business and Rooney's foot is fixed the goals should start to flow ;)

That said, Spurs are a very solid side now so the goals might not flow this weekend...

housin7

23-09-2004, 12:41

Honestly, I am really impressed with J. Defoe. I've been watching him playing for the Liverpool and Newcastle games, and I think he was impressive. Quick turn with predator instinct. He is surely the new hope for England IMO. I think Spurs will be good enough to hold on draw this time, if not stealing the win ;)

Prediction:

Spurs-Man U 1-1

Defoe :hmm2: and Stez, you may choose the scorer from Man U side. :eekani:

Stezagud

23-09-2004, 12:53

Honestly, I am really impressed with J. Defoe. I've been watching him playing for the Liverpool and Newcastle games, and I think he was impressive. Quick turn with predator instinct. He is surely the new hope for England IMO.

Teamtalk did a poll recently on what Englands most effective strikeforce would be and Defoe - Rooney was the top choice, well ahead of all the other options :cool:

Stez, you may choose the scorer from Man U side.

then i choose Ruud :D

the prediction could be right, but Utd might steal a win, maybe Ronaldo will score the second ;)

argo

24-09-2004, 11:58

Sir Alex has announced that Rooney will NOT play this weekend against Spurs. :(
tho Rooney had resumed his recovery and already joined for practice but Sir Alex considered the other way. Likely Rooney will have his debut at Boro game, Oct 3rd.

BTW Cudicini has rejected United's 2.5 mil pounds bid. ;) personally I don't like him too much because he always played great against us but poor against Arsenal. :hammer:
IMO Sir Alex should sign a young decent English goalkeeper. as an English club, United should take the responsibility of the lack of GK at England NT. :D

Stezagud

24-09-2004, 16:04

Sir Alex has announced that Rooney will NOT play this weekend against Spurs.
tho Rooney had resumed his recovery and already joined for practice but Sir Alex considered the other way. Likely Rooney will have his debut at Boro game, Oct 3rd.

yeah, they should wait until he is ready and if its October 3rd then so be it :cool:

I dont mind Cudicini but i think Howard and Carroll are both talented enough to make decent keepers, all they need is a stable defence in front of them.

There are 3 young English keepers who should make the grade, Kirkland, Robinson and Green. Of these, Green would be the easiest to get but i would rather see if he can perform at the highest level for a year or 2, anyway by the time he is proven, hopefully Howard or Carroll would probably have made the place theirs :)

There is one other possibility though, Utd have an excellent youngster called Luke Steele who is on loan at Coventry and the reports from them say he is better than Kirkland was at his age :cool: maybe in a few years he will be ready to stake his claim for our no.1 shirt :)

Vady

25-09-2004, 12:03

a 42nd minute foul by Erik Edman on John O’Shea saw United awarded a penalty which Ruud van Nistelrooy swept into the top-left corner of the net to give United a 1-0 half-time lead. United won 1-0 to inflict a first defeat of the season on Spurs. :2whis: :2whis: :wallbang: :d33:

COME ON YOU , SPURS!

argo

25-09-2004, 12:27

YES!! We're climbing now.. :cool:
It has never been easy to beat Spurs at White Hart lane, and one penalty goal is just sufficient to bring home 3 pts.
with Ferdinand and Silvestre, United played a solid defence. and Brown and Heinze could run forward comfortably.

next task: improving the attack. ;) a victory against Fenerbahce is a MUST, they broke our 40-year unbeaten record at home in European Competition in 1996.

Stezagud

26-09-2004, 06:54

we managed to sneak the win against a difficult side :D

Fergie has said that Rooney could start against Fenerbahce, if he does i wouldnt be surprised at all to see his name on the scoresheet :cool:

Shmikes

26-09-2004, 08:52

Good stuff 1-0 win over high flying Spurs, Im tellin ya Ronaldo is amazing!!! I really like O' Shea partnering Keane in the middle, get rid of Djemba and Kleberson! I really rate Gabriel Heinze(pity the didn't give him the no 59) and good to see Rio back, was immense against the Scousers. For our no1, I am very unsure bout both Howard and Carroll, I don't think neither fit the bill, not Cudicini either, don't rate him.

rae

27-09-2004, 07:43

Honestly I dont feel reliefed after such victory, I have very very very big qualm if we are coming to the form... I have not seen the match but I can guess it was not the best preformance we have done ever. Though it can be one of those fire catching games, after which team reasises that there is no way back...

Thank you John, thank you Ruud, Thank you Team.

Glory glory...
:3band:

Stezagud

27-09-2004, 11:50

yeah, were not back just yet, but were not far off now :cool:

The defence looks so much better with Rio in it and with Heinze setlling well and Gary Neville back soon we could be extremely solid again soon. Keane has been much more commanding as well and Ruud is scoring goals as usual :) the biggest bright spot though is definately Ronaldo, like Schmikes said he has been absolutely amazing in the past few games and seems ready top carry the attack almost single handedly :eek: :D

argo

27-09-2004, 13:25

Ruud had started scoring and Henry had stopping scoring. :D

as for Ronaldo, he absolutely deserves United's #7 jersey. ;)
since Cantona, that jersey has been wore by players with 7 letters name. :cool:

Stezagud

27-09-2004, 16:31

My surname has 7 letters :eek: i'll get on the phone to Fergie and let him know im available for the Boro game, just in case Ronaldo needs a rest ;)

Stezagud

27-09-2004, 16:32

Prediction

3 - 0 to Utd tommorow

RvN, Ronaldo and Rooney with the goals, the 3 R's will rule the football world :cool:

Shmikes

28-09-2004, 05:13

yeah after the world cup, with brazil 3 R's, Ronni, Riva and Dinho, well I think our 3 R's our more deadly??!! The Fenerbache game is on ITV so I will get to see it, watched th Liverpool game, Utd thouroughly deserved the victory. Glad Smith played against Spurs like, doubt he will play tonight. Pieree van Hooijdonk(y) sez he feras man utd fire power and so he should, loius saha is still out!!!! I predict a 2-0 win Rooney grabbing both! Also how many times has Ronaldo hit the woodwork this season? Definitely worth the no7 shirt btw

rae

28-09-2004, 05:21

My prediction is:
4 - 0 to MUFC
Giggsy, Ruud, Ron, Ruud
3R rules the world but do not forget our Giggsy, Scholesy, Smith, Saha and even Ole... if they all recover we will be world king again. :star:

Glory glory...

Stezagud

28-09-2004, 11:16

yeah after the world cup, with brazil 3 R's, Ronni, Riva and Dinho, well I think our 3 R's our more deadly??!!

maybe not yet, but in a few years they could be incredible. Its hard to believe that Rooney is only 18 and Ronaldo 19, they could be banging in the goals for Utd in 2015 and beyond :eek:

I predict a 2-0 win Rooney grabbing both! Also how many times has Ronaldo hit the woodwork this season? Definitely worth the no7 shirt btw

Rooney to score both? i dont see why not :D
It is quite strange how often Ronaldo's long rangers hit the woodwork, he should score though soon enough, on this form its a case of when not if :cool:

4 - 0 to MUFC
Giggsy, Ruud, Ron, Ruud

Well as Giggsy's first name is Ryan i suppose he can become the 4th R :cool:

All this optimism is scaring me a little now, we'll probably end up scraping a draw in the last minute or something ;)

Stezagud

28-09-2004, 16:25

As debuts go i think thats just about the best i've ever seen :eek:

3 goals, all from some distance :cool: the 2nd in particular is pure class :respect:

I was glad Ruud scored too, to keep his prolific record going, same for Giggsy too :D

Bellion, despite taking his goal well, was quite poor as was Djemba and the set piece defending, but for now its time to forget the few problems and celebrate the new king :)

Shmikes

28-09-2004, 17:46

if we continue talking R's, Roy, Rio, the 6 R'S!! Stezagud your right debut's dont come any better!! Especially on a EURO night!! Special 8 goals!!! Van the Man wasnt happy about the attention being taken away from him, glad to see him hitting the net. Yeah I thought Bellion was poor also, but took his goal well. Kleberson was ok in flashes but still doesn't impress me that much, Djemba defending was awful!! We were awful from set pieces hopefully that will be addressed, and our ROONALDO combination have yet to play with each other imagine what the EPL is thinknig!!! As long as we demolish Arsenal unbeaten recordina few weeks!!! Should it not be changed to RUONALDO? Looks dodgy but to accomplish our attacking force?

argo

28-09-2004, 19:28

WOW!!! What a debut by Rooney!!! a Hat-trick in UCL match!

didn't see the match. :( dammit my local TV station showed Madrid-Roma game so I choosed to sleep. :tired: It was 2:30 am here.

Van Hooijdonk was right, Rooney with Ruud will be a deadly combination, maybe the best in this competition. and IMO they are on the way to be that. ;)

Let the good times roll... :cheers:

rae

29-09-2004, 08:02

All this optimism is scaring me a little now, we'll probably end up scraping a draw in the last minute or something ;)
so, it seem that ur concern was unnecessary... :happy:

I was astonished by MUFC preformance. Fantastic. Awesome. Vaporous. Incredible. Absolutely amazing.
:proud: :proud: :proud: :proud: :proud: :proud:

Rooney is going to be a star whom you can never put out. :star:

Lack of words to impart myself here.
:3band:
Glory glory...

Stezagud

29-09-2004, 12:20

Van the Man wasnt happy about the attention being taken away from him, glad to see him hitting the net.

yeah, he took out his frustration on a few of their defenders in the first half :D i think Ruud could smell the goals yesterday and was desperate to bag a few for himself, if Rooney hadnt played at all then Ruud could probably have had a hattrick against them instead :cool:

As long as we demolish Arsenal unbeaten recordina few weeks!!!

we simply have to beat them, it will be the biggest possible statement of intent and a real slap in the face for all those who said Utds time was over :)

Should it not be changed to RUONALDO?

i think so, for all the praise the kids deserve Ruud is still our no.1 goal machine :respect:

Van Hooijdonk was right, Rooney with Ruud will be a deadly combination, maybe the best in this competition. and IMO they are on the way to be that.

The weird thing is they didnt link up particularly well for most of the match but still got 4 goals between them :eek: when they have gelled more as a partnership they could be almost uncontainable....

so, it seem that ur concern was unnecessary...

true, but lets not start expecting 6 goals every game either :D Middlesbrough are next and they've won a few times at Old Trafford in recent years :mad: i'll be happy with any win we can get against them, send them back to their smog with nothing :)

rae

30-09-2004, 02:57

The weird thing is they didnt link up particularly well for most of the match but still got 4 goals between them :eek: when they have gelled more as a partnership they could be almost uncontainable....
Yeah, but Way caught up Ruud in CL in his debut game - 3 goals for Ruud the same for Way... :mex:
Middlesbrough is shattering form fear, REDS are comin :devs:

Btw, if Ryan is one from "Graet R Club" then why not Roy join them?!

Way&Ruud Superduo (http://img15.exs.cx/img15/2049/ruudnrooney.jpg)

Glory glory...

Ruud Gullit

30-09-2004, 03:11

to rae
Do you know that MU can sell Phil Neville, because they have no money for next summer transfers? I think MU should sell Saha.

argo

30-09-2004, 04:11

to rae
Do you know that MU can sell Phil Neville, because they have no money for next summer transfers? I think MU should sell Saha.
Why should we sell certain players? IMO we don't need anymore players for at least this time being, because we've got 'em all.
All we have to do right now is "improving", not "selling/buying" players. Let's concentrate to our play then chasing Arse and Chelski.
Leave the market for a while. ;)

rae

30-09-2004, 05:31

Yeah, several days I have heard that official formMUFC has declared that this season transfers are over. We do not need any other players and do not need any plyers to sell.
We only need to recover, as a team and as each single player.

!Go on Ole!

:mex:

rae

30-09-2004, 06:16

Great sample of United People (http://www.united-people.co.uk/)... enjoy

argo

30-09-2004, 07:42

Guys.. as we all know that we got to find a replacement for Roy Keane at least in the next 2 seasons.
What do you think we should do? sign a new players or deploy our current players?
so far we got several def-mids, such as Djemba-Djemba, Phil Neville, Miller, Fletcher and O'Shea :eekani:
which one fits Roy's character? :confused:

It's the bad side of having such a legend.. must be a trouble to find the replacement. :wallbang:

rae

30-09-2004, 09:07

please do not remind of this imminent disaster...
The same thing comes to Milan also with Billy and Paolo...
:cry:

Well, stop cryin, man you know it wont gonna happen soon...
IMO, the best replacement for King Roy is O'Shea and Miller.
Phil is also quite good to be the heir of Keano.
TBH I do not think that there is an equal substitution for Roy in this world at all.
In the other hand Roy in recent years have missed lots of matches due to various season, and we coped with that quite well...

P.S. I am looking forward to read our English boy - Stez attitude...
Go on Stez...:D

Stezagud

30-09-2004, 12:35

Do you know that MU can sell Phil Neville, because they have no money for next summer transfers?

The Plc say this every now and then, its a reality check for the fans but the press always interpret it as a disaster :rolleyes: If you remember, the board said in August that they couldnt afford to spend £20m on Rooney and then 2 weeks later spent nearly £30m on him ;)

The truth is that if Fergie sees a player he really wants then the board will just do what they did with Rooney and spend the next years (2006)budget :D

I wouldnt be surprised if some players did leave though, its hard to see Djemba Djemba or Bellion becoming regulars and people like Phil Neville might want to leave to save their international careers (like Butt did)

P.S. I am looking forward to read our English boy - Stez attitude...

who can replace Keane?

I dont see anyone who is as good as Keano was at his peak...

of the players already at Utd, O'Shea maybe has the best chance as he is defensive minded and imposing but also quite good with the ball but he doesnt have Keano's drive or leadership though.

Outside Utd maybe Steven Gerrard is the best option, he can do it all and could become a true world class player but i doubt he would move to Utd and if he did it would cost £30m+. It is going to be a real problem to replace Keano so for now lets forget about it and instead think about what might happen when the Ruud, Rooney and Ronaldo share the pitch :D

argo

01-10-2004, 03:56

...
I wouldnt be surprised if some players did leave though, its hard to see Djemba Djemba or Bellion becoming regulars and people like Phil Neville might want to leave to save their international careers (like Butt did)
Apparently everyone did.. except Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. He would rather finish his contract to the fullest at United, tho he will be benched all the time. :proud:

who can replace Keane?

I dont see anyone who is as good as Keano was at his peak...

of the players already at Utd, O'Shea maybe has the best chance as he is defensive minded and imposing but also quite good with the ball but he doesnt have Keano's drive or leadership though.

Outside Utd maybe Steven Gerrard is the best option, he can do it all and could become a true world class player but i doubt he would move to Utd and if he did it would cost £30m+. It is going to be a real problem to replace Keano so for now lets forget about it and instead think about what might happen when the Ruud, Rooney and Ronaldo share the pitch :D
if Liverpool coukdn't win anything for the next 2 seasons, then Gerrard might consider a move... :D hopefully to Old Trafford. ;)

p.s.
thanks for the pic, Rae... now u can see it in my latest avatar. :cool:

rae

01-10-2004, 04:15

Yes, Ole is a super hero. I can not forget his stunning finish of UCL final in 1999. :proud:

IMO, there is no need to conquer other clubs for Gerrard. We can play without Keano. And we have proved it. Though this loss would be painful...:cry:

Argo, not at all, pal, we are RED, so we should stay close to each other, we are force, we are invicible, we vote and support each other also...:D

You know what I mean:D

Glory gloery - Keano :proud:

argo

01-10-2004, 12:14

tho It's an MUFC thread, but I still consider it as "English Football Thread". :D

btw, here's an embarrasing news about arse...

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=sportsNews&storyID=594881&section=news

Arsenal players in team bus scuffle
Fri 1 October, 2004 14:13

OSLO (Reuters) - Two Arsenal players were involved in a scuffle on the team bus after drawing 1-1 against Rosenborg Trondheim in the Champions League, Norwegian police say.

The pair, captain Patrick Vieira and defender Lauren, had to be separated by team mates outside the Lerkendal stadium in Trondheim after Wednesday's Group E match.

"There was scuffling and loud shouting. A security guard went on to the bus to calm things down," Hallgeir Stokken, the stadium police commander, told Reuters on Friday.

"Two other Arsenal players separated them. They were quite aggressive."

He said that by the time police entered the bus a few minutes later the situation had been defused, with the two players told to sit apart.

One report said that Arsenal's Edu, who lost possession just before Rosenborg's Roar Strand scored the second-half equaliser, was one of the peacemakers.

However, Vieira played down the incident on Friday.

"There was a discussion after the game but the stories saying that Lauren and I had a fight are rubbish," the Frenchman said in a statement.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger, speaking at his weekly news conference at Arsenal's training ground on Friday, described it as a "minor disagreement" and said there was no need for the police to get involved.

"Nothing major happened, it's a storm in a teacup," he said.

"I don't know why the police was involved. There was no need to go on the bus.

"It was nothing personal, it was about professional matters They (Vieira and Lauren) are two good friends and their relationship is fantastic."

The incident reportedly began as four or five Arsenal players, clearly disappointed by the result, were getting on to the bus to take them back to the airport, while some of their team mates were still giving interviews.

"The area was sealed off but there were police, security guards, fans and press everywhere," Stokken added.

He said there were about 800 Arsenal supporters at the game.

"When the British embassy called me, I told them I was impressed by Arsenal supporters but that we had more trouble with the players," Stokken said.

Arsenal top Champions League Group E with four points.

:D
even for one goal conceeded they were fighting each other, what if they got a "SHOCKED HOME DEFEAT"? They might kill each other. :haha:

argo

02-10-2004, 10:59

...

who can replace Keane?

I dont see anyone who is as good as Keano was at his peak...

of the players already at Utd, O'Shea maybe has the best chance as he is defensive minded and imposing but also quite good with the ball but he doesnt have Keano's drive or leadership though.
...
What about Fergie's son Barry Ferguson? He has been the Blackburn's skipper and already got so many things in progress recently...

Stezagud

02-10-2004, 11:07

:D

He isn't good enough to clean Keano's boots ;)

He's not Fergies son either, the surname is quite common in Scotland. I think Fergies son Darren plays for Wrexham or someone like that. He had a few games for Utd at the start of the 90's but wasnt good enough so his Dad sold him :eek: :D

even for one goal conceeded they were fighting each other, what if they got a "SHOCKED HOME DEFEAT"? They might kill each other

wont be today though, its already 3 - 0 against Charlton :(

argo

02-10-2004, 11:18

...
wont be today though, its already 3 - 0 against Charlton :(
5 mins remaining.. and it's now 4-0. Reyes!
btw Henry's back-heeled goal is awesome... tho I don't like him. :D

no Utd's match this weekend. :mad: my local tv station broadcasted Arsenal - Charlton this time, and Chelsea - Liverpool tomorrow. :(

contary to Serie A, we got 3 TV station to cover. 6 matches will be broadcasted live this weekend.

Stezagud

02-10-2004, 11:35

i didnt get to see any of the 3pm matches yet, we were shown the Southampton - Man City game :rolleyes:

Chelsea - Liverpool should be a good game tommorow, maybe 2 - 1 to Chelsea.

Have you seen that Brown and Carroll could leave in January :eek: their contracts run out next june and they have rejected Utds offers so far....Both of them have only just got into the team so its stupid to risk it over money, particularly when they already get £25,000 a week :rolleyes:

argo

02-10-2004, 11:50

yeah I've heard that..
Sir Alex pointed that it's about their agents, SFX - which is the one who arranged Beck's move to Madrid.

Apparently Sir Alex won't count on 'em so badly, so they might be leaving soon. :(

rae

04-10-2004, 10:48

It sux, always we should, surrvive in the last minute...thanx Smith-goalmashine anyway...

argo

04-10-2004, 11:03

this season, nothing was going right for us in premiership, Rae... :depress: so far we have dropped quite may points that we should've won.

but Boro has been a trouble for us in the last few seasons, they always played great against us, but not against Arse... :wallbang:

btw this weekend Old Trafford will hold a crucial game, feat. England - Wales.
who is gonna win?
Hughes is coming home... back to The Theatre of Dream

rae

04-10-2004, 11:13

Will Giggsy play?

Stezagud

04-10-2004, 12:14

Damn Boro :( Steve MacClaren knows Fergies secrets and uses them against us. We still should've won though, its just that the best chances both went to Gary Neville, of all people :rolleyes:

You're right though Argo, we usually do drop points to Boro. Blackburn and Bolton have been troublesome in recent years too so really only the Everton draw was completely unexpected.

btw this weekend Old Trafford will hold a crucial game, feat. England - Wales.
who is gonna win?

well you can probably guess who i think will :D

Wales have some very good players for a country of their size, like Bellamy, Hartson, Davies and our very own Giggsy :proud: but they have a weak defence and England should score 2 or 3 comfortably.

Will Giggsy play?

i think so, he can torment Beckham as punishment for leaving Utd :D

rae

05-10-2004, 05:05

IMO 3 - 1 for England, Giggsy score first and then come Lampard and Rooney twice;)

I think that Wales has quite strong squad, as a proof I take their stunning preformance during last qualification for Euro 2004... [stupid russians:mad:]...

argo

05-10-2004, 10:51

well you can probably guess who i think will :D
Haha.. one thing I remember, if England ever failed to qualify from the group stage you'll quit football entirely.. ;)
maybe you should try "Tennis". You know Tim Henman is now going down.. :D

i think so, he can torment Beckham as punishment for leaving Utd :D
oh.. I almost forgot that I still have that #7 shirt in my room. :(

Stezagud

05-10-2004, 11:03

IMO 3 - 1 for England

That sounds about right :D

I think that Wales has quite strong squad, as a proof I take their stunning preformance during last qualification for Euro 2004...

yeah, i remember they beat Italy :eek: they have good attacking players but hopefully their defence will not hold out. I dont think Robbie Savage is going to play and he is very important for them as a defensive shield.

Haha.. one thing I remember, if England ever failed to qualify from the group stage you'll quit football entirely..

did i say that? :p146: sometimes my patriotism gets the better of me ;)

maybe you should try "Tennis". You know Tim Henman is now going down..

hey ! 'Tiger Tim' is still in the top 5 in the world :proud: which is strange because he never wins anything :undecide: :D

oh.. I almost forgot that I still have that #7 shirt in my room.

just write Ronaldo at the top to fix it ;)

argo

05-10-2004, 11:29

...
did i say that? :p146: sometimes my patriotism gets the better of me ;)
yeah U said that here in MM, and I remembered it quite clearly. :nunu: :nunu: :nunu:
but I do appreciate ur patriotism. :proud:
:cheers:

hey ! 'Tiger Tim' is still in the top 5 in the world :proud: which is strange because he never wins anything :undecide: :D
because Tim Henman is more interested to the money, :greed: not the trophies.. :p283:
but personally I prefer Greg Rusedski than him. ;)

just write Ronaldo at the top to fix it ;)
sometimes I still thought that Beck is still ours... :depress:

Stezagud

05-10-2004, 12:02

yeah U said that here in MM, and I remembered it quite clearly.

i'll have to start thinking before i start typing then :D

because Tim Henman is more interested to the money, not the trophies..

I dont know about that, he would cut his arm off with a chainsaw if he thought it would help him win wimbledon ;)

sometimes I still thought that Beck is still ours...

we've seen better players leave and will have to again in the future. Utd moves on hopefully to bigger and better things :D Ronaldo and Rooney have both been nominated for FIFA world player of the year and though i doubt they will win its still a good sign for Utd that the kids are rated so highly :proud:

rae

06-10-2004, 07:30

sometimes I still thought that Beck is still ours... :depress:
so do I, I remmember his last preformance in Red Jersy at CL agaist Real Mierdid... he was so eager to win, he came after sub in the second half, scored twice and was one of those who organized our play in offence...
he seem to be Red For Life...but.... it was the last his appearance in Old Trafford...:depress:

P.S. he still remain englishman, and even a captain of England NT...

argo

06-10-2004, 11:26

It feels like "it was just yesterday", and now he's gone...

tho Sir Alex doesn't like his glamour life but Becks was still in the 1st team. IMO it was Beck's agent behind that move. :v46:

OK.. let's forget the past. the show must go on, guys.. and we already have the best youngsters to conquer Premiership and Europe.
:strong: :p283:
:3band:

Stezagud

06-10-2004, 11:38

P.S. he still remain englishman, and even a captain of England NT...

A Utd player will captain England again soon, Rio is expected to be the next man to get the job :D

tho Sir Alex doesn't like his glamour life but Becks was still in the 1st team. IMO it was Beck's agent behind that move.

Unfortunately Wes Brown is now using that agent too :mad: These agent troubles should hopefully be a thing of the past as Utd now offer agents payments according to how long the player they represent stays at the club, which means they have to keep the player at Utd if they want the full money. This should stop them phoning up Real Madrid and offering our players ;)