View Full Version : Champions League Final: AC Milan vs Liverpool (ALL-match comments)
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 16:50
I would pay to know how Silvio reacted and the changes he is going to make.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 16:51
We must be with our team in the good and the bad times I dont think Carlo is at fault beacuse some tired players missed penalty kicks we must keep our head high.
Point is that the game should have ended way before the PK.
I would pay to know how Silvio reacted and the changes he is going to make.
i think that carlo will go?!
Snapster
25-05-2005, 16:52
Its about time some people showed some respect to the people who have given us a million great nights and a few bad ones!! Milan lost to marsellie and Ajax years ago and will lose more CL finals, deal with it.
We at least played with respect in those finals. Marseille we didn't play our best and lost because of not putting a man on the post from a corner. Ajax, we got whopped by them in the group games and the players turned up to that final with fight.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 16:53
First of all I think Milan had the upper hand. I for one thought that Carlo's approach of the 2nd half was correct - to get going. Do you really want to risk defending for your life in second half?? However, Gerrard's goal was somehow a fluke, but a good goal nontheless - it was a grand header that most of the time wont go into the net but it did. So that breathed new life to 'Pool and gave them new spirits. The second goal I feel Dida should've saved; and the third - I am still not sure if it was a penalty - Dida did all he could but 'Pool managed to net it in anyway. I dont see it as Milan's (or Carlo's) fault for this matter but rather more like a series of just unfortunate events happening at a string. Plus, Carlo did every right thing by bringing in Serginho etc! It just didnt happen for Milan. They didnt do anything wrong, it was just one of those days. Sheva came ever so close.
And like Henrik would say, that is just my opinion, but I could be wrong
Right, what's the point in having a manager at all then? The manager is supposed to analyse the situation and change it if necessary and keep players motivated. The fault is Carlo as well as the players, he wore them out in the past month and they are no longer hungry. We haven't won in may, and haven't looking convincing for months.
What a load of balloani, theres not a single player here who would have changed the team at half time. Was anyone there to hear what carlo said???????? maybe he said concentrate they can still win and that put doubt in the player's minds or maybe he said we have already won and they all relaxed.
And as far as suggesting alternatives because you dont get paid, if it was up to some people we would sack Carlo and then look for someone who may not be as good as him anyway, yeah really makes sense
Graeme C
25-05-2005, 16:54
in the first half i thought i saw climpses of Sacchi's milan team, but in the second half i couldnt believe what i was seing. After the penalty goal i turned the TV off, and took the dog out. Im just fed up with how the team has been playing since the first PSV game.
We have a habit of being totally outplayed, i think the team needs to be sorted out so this doesnt happen again. I dont know if its the defence, or the massive hole thats left in midfield.
I can see Ancelloti going, i think mr Belusconi is fuming. He will jump before being pushed. Who will replace him? who else played in the early 90s?.... Baresi, Tassoti, Massaro, Donadoni, Rijkard any of those...
I am not blaming Carlo for the loss. I am blaming Carlo for the way our team has been behaving on the field. Deportivo, PSV and now Liverpool. Do you honestly think one of the best teams in europe like Milan can perform like they did in those games? This is not a one time thing guys, this will keep happening. Whether it's losing to bottom teams in Serie A or blowing huge leads.
I am sorry if I'm wrong or offended anyone. If you can explain me how 11 players go from playing the most beautiful football in the world to getting scored on 3 times in 10 minutes and being completely dominated and outplayed, I'll gladly blame all of this on the players.
i guess i agree wiht you. even if we won on penalties, i would still blame ancelotti. that's what i said, penalty is the gamble, we won 2 years ago, and don't expect that you always win. it is ok we end up with nothing, but it is bitter the way we lose. there got to be something wrong if we have maldini and nesta and we lose like this. i am really confused. i don't konw what happened. i am so sad.
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 16:55
I am with our team. Im Milanista for life even if they go to Serie C and go to sh|t.
The point is we have the best team in Europe that for some reason looked like a high school team for 20 minutes of the 2nd half. This happened today and vs PSV and against Deportivo and it will happen again. Carlo isn't an active enough coach to motivate the players.
If you say it's not the coach's fault then I don't know how 11 players can suddenly at the same time start playing horrible soccer and blow leads. We had the f*cking win in the bag. Why keep attacking. Okay fine we're up 3-2, maybe it's time to slow the game down or change the strategy. Carlo waits until 80th minute and 3-3 to introduce subs.
But what on earth can he do, hire some builders to bulid a wall????????If the players bottle it its thier short coming not his!!!!!!!1
i agree. it's not carlo's fault. the players just totally lost concentration and let the deportivo disease swallow them up. for instance, just before the second goal, there was an offside call against Liverpool. Instead of waiting for the liverpool players to clear off, milan took the freekick really fast with about 7 - 8 liverpool players around them. immediately they lost the ball and liverpool scored goal number 2. i can't imagine a team like Juve giving up a goal like that.
changes required as a solution
1) seedorf should be phased out of this team. he should get less play time for sure.
2) defenders shouldn't be used as much to make attacks as it really tires them out, especially considering these are aging legs. the big mistake of the night was having maldini and cafu run up so much which tired them out for the rest of the night.
3) kaka was easily stubbed out in the second half. why? because he is too predictable in his movement. as soon as he starts weaving and turning, they double team him and he loses the ball. he is still young so he can grow as a player. what i suggest is he should learn to adapt as a winger or an all out striker - preferably winger, so he can make runs up the flank and save the defenders from making overlapping runs.
4) rui costa and kaka should both play at the same time now and then with one striker. yes the xmas tree formation, if the team needs to defend, is an awesome combo.
5) liverpool moved to a 3 man defence. milan should have immediately made a substitution and put on brocchi or moved seedorf into defence. yet they kept trying to attack. a more neutral position would have been beneficial.
really, giving up 3 goals is ridiculous. liverpool didn't win this game - milan lost it.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 16:55
I think its funny that some believe no one is to blame when Milan lost a 3-0 advantage after 45.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 16:55
Snapster what are you talking about. Milan didnt look hungry my arse. Did you not see the first half?? Throughout the whole bloody match Milan didnt gave up and pushed in for a goal. Even after they were 3-0 up, even when they were level, and they looked the better team in the ET. The penalties however I will agree on your point. They did look a bit tired but then again I didnt like Dudek at all
We at least played with respect in those finals. Marseille we didn't play our best and lost because of not putting a man on the post from a corner. Ajax, we got whopped by them in the group games and the players turned up to that final with fight.
Against marselille at times we were powerless just like we were when Liverpool got their goals. and against marsellie we couldnt make up for it like we couldnt today
Snapster
25-05-2005, 16:56
What a load of balloani, theres not a single player here who would have changed the team at half time. Was anyone there to hear what carlo said???????? maybe he said concentrate they can still win and that put doubt in the player's minds or maybe he said we have already won and they all relaxed.
And as far as suggesting alternatives because you dont get paid, if it was up to some people we would sack Carlo and then look for someone who may not be as good as him anyway, yeah really makes sense
Funny, Benitez must have some nothing at half time. I seen Carlo allot during the game and during the extra time, Tasotti looked more interested in doing something.
in the first half i thought i saw climpses of Sacchi's milan team, but in the second half i couldnt believe what i was seing. After the penalty goal i turned the TV off, and took the dog out. Im just fed up with how the team has been playing since the first PSV game.
We have a habit of being totally outplayed, i think the team needs to be sorted out so this doesnt happen again. I dont know if its the defence, or the massive hole thats left in midfield.
I can see Ancelloti going, i think mr Belusconi is fuming. He will jump before being pushed. Who will replace him? who else played in the early 90s?.... Baresi, Tassoti, Massaro, Donadoni, Rijkard any of those...
it's not carlo's fault. he's a great coach. but he needs to bring in some real motivators. i mean, what more motivation does the team need other than a CL final? it's so horrid.
Words cannot describe how I feel at this moment. I don't quite know what to say. Is it Carlo's fault is it the players fault who knows. The game was ours and we let it slip. In the first half we seen the real Kaka from last year, second half we got nothing from him. But we got nothing from anyone in the second half.
I'm not going to start blaming anyone, instead I'm going to sit back, wipe away the tears, cry some more and just try to get my head around exactly what happened here this evening. Devestated, utterly devestated...
Point is that the game should have ended way before the PK.
Exactly. And dude, sorry for offending you earlier. I just thought it was unfair to blame JDT and sheva. this really kills me. If anyone to blame, I think it is the coach who is responsible.
I only watched the first half, we were lecturing Liverpool. I don't know what to say .. :5hoest:
Christopher
25-05-2005, 16:58
sick in my stomach, kicking the wall etc.
Carlos gone whose coming in? as I have stated previously this team needs someone to light a fire under the belly and not allow them to take their foot off the pedal . . . either a player or a coach preferably both. We all know Silvio and co. are none too happy about ending the season with no hardware.
Forza Milan
Rossoneri Coach Carlo Ancelotti was left ruing “six minutes of insanity” that literally threw the Champions’ League title away.
“We played well throughout except for six minutes of insanity that threw everything all away,” said the tactician after losing out to Liverpool on penalties.
“It can’t be explained, as we did everything we had to and simply had a blackout. We are upset and disappointed, but this is football. Now we will play our last game of the Serie A season and look forward to next season.”
Milan were leading 3-0 at half-time with Paolo Maldini’s goal and a Hernan Crespo brace, but conceded three in six minutes.
vickirin
25-05-2005, 16:59
Point is that the game should have ended way before the PK.
Well things did not go that way the players and the coaches sometimes make mistakes.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 16:59
I dont think Carlo should be blamed.
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 17:00
Perhaps Carlo is a great coach. I may have him all wrong. Then we should sell half the team because they manage to blow leads in most important matches of the season. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps it is the team that's at fault. Well we need someone new who can create a different mindset for these players. I understand one player sucking or 2 or even 3. But when the whole team simultaneously plays like crap, the coach has to step in.
Funny, Benitez must have some nothing at half time. I seen Carlo allot during the game and during the extra time, Tasotti looked more interested in doing something.
Ok mate what would you have done at half time and what would you have said to the players?
Snapster
25-05-2005, 17:01
Snapster what are you talking about. Milan didnt look hungry my arse. Did you not see the first half?? Throughout the whole bloody match Milan didnt gave up and pushed in for a goal. Even after they were 3-0 up, even when they were level, and they looked the better team in the ET. The penalties however I will agree on your point. They did look a bit tired but then again I didnt like Dudek at all
Yes I seen the first half, awesome. They players had it won in their heads, let a 3-0 slip and we were anonymous most of the second half, even going long ball. ET we were better because Liverpool got more tired and we were allowed more time on the ball.
sadly, i can see carlo ancelotti being sacked very very soon. it will be tassoti taking the field against udinese. i think milan's new coach will be frank rijkaard.
Man the only person I can blame is Lady Luck, we lost concentration for 6 mins and we lost the match, we really have been choking of late, this was a very hard loss to swallow, we could'nt keep a 3 goal lead, THIS IS VERY VERY SAD
:5dito:
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 17:01
Exactly. And dude, sorry for offending you earlier. I just thought it was unfair to blame JDT and sheva. this really kills me. If anyone to blame, I think it is the coach who is responsible.
I only watched the first half, we were lecturing Liverpool. I don't know what to say .. :5hoest:
No problem, considering the moment its more than common to react that way (Same as I did with Sheva and JDT).
I still cant believe it either. We blew a 3-0 lead against a somewhat weak offensive team.
But this is soccer, thats why its so special.
Damn.
I can't belive is this realy hapening.....
We had 3-0......
I'm gonna kill myself tonight.........
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 17:03
Guys neither of us are in position to "coach" milan, but would you really have taken off Crespo who scored 2 goals and then wait until 3-3 to make 2 substitutions. What would you do?
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 17:03
wtf happened out there????
**** man....
i feel like in rotten hell.
this is the worst season ever.
wrf was ancelotti saying at HT. were they celebrating????
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS SOOOOOOOOO GAY
I guarantee Carlo will still be the top man next season. Berlusconi will give him another season to pull it out
Arildonardo
25-05-2005, 17:03
It's definitely not Carlo's fault.
The players come out in the second half thinking they have won it and they give it all away thanks to losing their heads and run around like headless chickens...
If Shevchenko was the hero last time we won it in 2003, then he's the villain now. He missed the enourmous double-chance in the final minute of extra time, a chance which was ten times bigger than a penalty, and then he missed a penalty.
Liverpool can also thank the referee that didn't send off Hyypia for fouling Kaka when he was clean through and for giving that sick penalty that Alonso scored from...
F*** this!
lolofernandez
25-05-2005, 17:03
who is gonna change the scorer of 2 goals, the hero of the game??????
Crespo made 2 goals, one headkick was thrown over the line he sheva and kaka were playing outstanding. Besides, he is argentinean for god sake!! Everybody knows that he is gonna score the f@#$ penalty kick!!!
Perhaps Carlo is a great coach. I may have him all wrong. Then we should sell half the team because they manage to blow leads in most important matches of the season. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps it is the team that's at fault. Well we need someone new who can create a different mindset for these players. I understand one player sucking or 2 or even 3. But when the whole team simultaneously plays like crap, the coach has to step in.
wrong. on the field, the coach cannot say anything. the captain's job is to motivate the players on the field. i think maldini lost control of the team. i am not blaming him because the team should be focused. sigh.... i am so sad. i really don't have much in my life but milan successes and now even that has been robbed from us. :irritate:
and why was crespo subbed? he was playing frigging awesome. crespo for jdt? that makes no sense at all. ugh. so sad.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:04
Rijkaard's cool.
Its 6.02 am here ... I dont think this is a topic to be discussed but I cannot resist. I really disliked how Dudek handled the penalty kicks. Nevertheless that musnt be used as an excuse for this defeat.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 17:05
So you know, I dont base my opinion on one game nor Im talking within the heat of the moment.
I cant understand why Rui Costa is still with us. He has nothing left on the tank. This guy couldnt dribble past some Liverpool defenders during overtime even when he was more than fit and they (Pool defenders) were breaking down. He cant be our first option off the bench after Kaka. Bring some young blood.
This is the worst nightmare ever !! I think it's even worse then de Depor-drama ... I don't know what to say ... Milan gave 3 goals away ... very cheap ... We outplayed L'pool the entire game, only not in 10mins, and we lose !! I know how PSV felt now ... This is soooo sad ...
Look on the bright side Galliani may spend big for once.
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 17:07
It's definitely not Carlo's fault.
If Shevchenko was the hero last time we won it in 2003, then he's the villain now. He missed the enourmous double-chance in the final minute of extra time, a chance which was ten times bigger than a penalty, and then he missed a penalty.
So Tomasson missing an open net on a cross is not villain? Serginho and Pirlo (especially Pirlo) missing the 2 penalties isnt villain? Kaka missing countless chances to release Sheva or Crespo by waiting too long and putting them offside isnt villain?
The only reason you are blaming Sheva is that he went last. Do you realize if he scored, Liverpool would have scored that last one anyway and we wouldn't be blaming Sheva we would be blaming Serginho or Pirlo(our dedicated PK'er) or whoever else. Here is who we should blame... the 11 people who were on the field during the time that 3 goals were scored. Milan has won the game and then Milan lost the game. It wasn't Sheva or Tomasson or anyone else.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:08
Form is temporary, class is permanent. Now I dont know if Rui should stay or not but that post somehow hurt (sorry, a big fan of Rui Costa) but you are right. I was disappointed with him in the game. He lost the ball once and it gave 'Pool the chance to score a 4th.
What can one say?
What if Liverpool got the penalty for the Nesta handball in the 1st half?
What if Sheva's freekick had gone in when we were 3-0 up?
What if Sheva scored at the end of extra time?
What if Dudek wasn't so unprofessional?
What if?What if?
It was a great game. Imagine if Milan were on the end of the win instead of the other way around?
I can't believe it. Oh well. I watched Milan vs Marseille, vs Barcelona,vs Ajax vs Juventus. In those games they never traded goals. They were very professional performance's. Today it was not.
We need about 3 reinforcements, in all areas. Need the coach to stay the same. Need Silvio to stop interfering. And need to look forward to next season.
Snapster
25-05-2005, 17:08
Ok mate what would you have done at half time and what would you have said to the players?
I would have pointed out the things they done right in the first half, they kept the ball well, looked for the simple passes. Keeping doing that and don't sit back too much because it's not won yet. I would have emphasised the point that if Liverpool were going to get anything out of the game they would have to get something early on, so it's important to try and keep the ball well for the first 15 in the second half and frustrate them as they will be throwing everything they have at us. I would have looking at getting a few instructions to the players after noticing Liverpools' change in tactics after half time.
Rijkaard's cool.
Its 6.02 am here ... I dont think this is a topic to be discussed but I cannot resist. I really disliked how Dudek handled the penalty kicks. Nevertheless that musnt be used as an excuse for this defeat.
you mean by cheating? yah that was cool.
he moved up 3 steps for pirlo's kick. that is illegal. even that frigging moron tommy smyth - pro liverpool announcer, said it was wrong, but quote "you gotta get away with what you can! however you can!"
what a bastard.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 17:10
The only reason you are blaming Sheva is that he went last. Do you realize if he scored, Liverpool would have scored that last one anyway and we wouldn't be blaming Sheva we would be blaming Serginho or Pirlo(our dedicated PK'er) or whoever else.
Im speaking for myself and I dont know what others think, but I blame Sheva more for that chance when Dudek came up big twice than for missing his penalty.
So Tomasson missing an open net on a cross is not villain? Serginho and Pirlo (especially Pirlo) missing the 2 penalties isnt villain? Kaka missing countless chances to release Sheva or Crespo by waiting too long and putting them offside isnt villain?
The only reason you are blaming Sheva is that he went last. Do you realize if he scored, Liverpool would have scored that last one anyway and we wouldn't be blaming Sheva we would be blaming Serginho or Pirlo(our dedicated PK'er) or whoever else. Here is who we should blame... the 11 people who were on the field during the time that 3 goals were scored. Milan has won the game and then Milan lost the game. It wasn't Sheva or Tomasson or anyone else.
Exactly!! When Serghinio and Pirlo were taking their penalties even I got confused with Dudek's bouncing. I was trying to picture where they would hit the pen, but the guy really put me and them off.
So you know, I dont base my opinion on one game nor Im talking within the heat of the moment.
I cant understand why Rui Costa is still with us. He has nothing left on the tank. This guy couldnt dribble past some Liverpool defenders during overtime even when he was more than fit and they (Pool defenders) were breaking down. He cant be our first option off the bench after Kaka. Bring some young blood.
I second that motion, we need alot of young blood.I think we should just buy half of the PSV team.Young,cheap and cheerful.I think we should forget about the CL next season and rebuild the team by winning Seria A next season with complete authority.
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 17:11
Something needs to be done to this team. I am not saying player/coach changes necessarily, but we need that last tiny push to complete the team. I mean we came within inches of the double. We just need to find that small push to complete this team.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:12
I am not sure of what your tone was Nadir but to make it clear I definitely do not condone Dudek's ... unprofessionalism. I didnt like how he insisted on giving the ball to the players (why cant he just kick it to them like Dida did? Trying to psycho them? Maybe im paranoid), I didnt like how he moved here and there (but thats his choice) and yes he moved up 3 steps TWICE actually and that sucked.
shevagol_7
25-05-2005, 17:13
:mad: This is unbelievable and unacceptable. Ambro was sorely sorely missed today. We continue to have a problem with complacency against small teams and with big leads. Berlusconi will most likely sack Ancelotti.
I can't even put into words how angry I am. On the first goal Stam should have picked up Gerrard, on the second it should have been stopped for offside, and on the last it was a questionable penalty after Xabi was stopped the defense should have cleared.
:broken:
I would have pointed out the things they done right in the first half, they kept the ball well, looked for the simple passes. Keeping doing that and don't sit back too much because it's not won yet. I would have emphasised the point that if Liverpool were going to get anything out of the game they would have to get something early on, so it's important to try and keep the ball well for the first 15 in the second half and frustrate them as they will be throwing everything they have at us. I would have looking at getting a few instructions to the players after noticing Liverpools' change in tactics after half time.
And what makes you think Carlo didnt say exactly those things?? Maybe he did and it made them unncessarily cautious. We can be really childish about it but the fact is we dont know what was said and destiny was on the pool's side
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 17:13
man i dont even want to talk about it. i dont feel like hearing the world football for at least 1 month. this is too emotional for me. AND ITS NOT THE 1ST TIME
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:13
There are fans actually blaming SHEVA for this??? SHEVA???
FFS
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 17:14
Obviously when you come this close from winning Serie A and the Champions League you dont need a major overhaul. But some minor changes are needed. Something is missing.
kenny_shev
25-05-2005, 17:14
Maybe, you can direct your anger at the reffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff :( i just think he made some critical mistakes tonightttttttttttttttttttttttt......some of which might've had (IMO surely had) cost us the gameeee and the trophyyyyyyyy
I hope Carlo won´t be saced, he "just" have to learn how to close the game/match.
I´m scared of what Silvio will do. I hope he won´t act first (sac Carlo) and think later.
If we loose Carlo, then I think we won´t have a good next season in Serie A or CHL.
Now, let the experts continue the discussion (= you all here at the Forum) :)
Arildonardo
25-05-2005, 17:14
Im speaking for myself and I dont know what others think, but I blame Sheva more for that chance when Dudek came up big twice than for missing his penalty.
Totally agree, that double-chance was just criminal... I have no words.
Something needs to be done to this team. I am not saying player/coach changes necessarily, but we need that last tiny push to complete the team. I mean we came within inches of the double. We just need to find that small push to complete this team.
What needs to be done is Milan stop buying the same players over and over again. We get Tommasson, Inzaghi and Crespo who are all pretty much the same type of player. none have been able to strike a partnership with Shev. So what do we do, we go for gilardino. Lets try someone fast like Sheva. The other thing we need some one who will compete with Seedorf and if needed take his place. Then we need to play with a 3 man defence so gatusso can play in the centre because he cant pass to save his life!!
lolofernandez
25-05-2005, 17:17
Aimar and Samuel for next season NOW!!!!!
Kaka`[22]
25-05-2005, 17:18
i can't really talk now, but the second goal was just....bloody ref, and why Spanish ref, when pool is full of Spanish...
well i call the work place not coming..i just can't imagine we lost...i m gonna put my head under pillow i don't wanna hear anyone or talk, need some time to recover, this is just like someone die in family that needs time to recover.
wrong. on the field, the coach cannot say anything. the captain's job is to motivate the players on the field. i think maldini lost control of the team. i am not blaming him because the team should be focused. sigh.... i am so sad. i really don't have much in my life but milan successes and now even that has been robbed from us. :irritate:
Have to say 100% agree with Nadir here. The coach's job ends when the players take the field, ok not completely but 90%. The rest is up to the team and the captain. The coach does his job pre game in the days leading up and in the dressing room before hand. After that its up to the players. Tonight after the first goal, Maldini needed to relax the players, to get them to calm down and relax. That didn't happen for some reason but its not just his fault its the entire teams fault. Pirlo for me tonight was possibly the biggest culprit of all this.
And who would you bench for those two??
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:19
You cannot blame Sheva. Sheva was one of the better players in the match for gods sake. It wasnt 'criminal' that sheva didnt convert that chance to a goal. Usually it would be yes but you cant BLAME sheva for it. If you blame players whenever he misses a chance (that wasnt a stupid miss, it was more of unlucky) I shudder to think of how many defeats you blame on individual players just because luck wasnt with them on that one occassion wherelse they contributed so much to the team irrespective of that one, little, fault.
FilipeKasmirski
25-05-2005, 17:20
You need to play Dhorasoo instead of Seedorf. :)
Snapster
25-05-2005, 17:20
And what makes you think Carlo didnt say exactly those things?? Maybe he did and it made them unncessarily cautious. We can be really childish about it but the fact is we dont know what was said and destiny was on the pool's side
True we don't know what he said at half time, however he didn't react to Liverpool's tactical changes, nor say much at all to players at FT (which you could see). I know im my worst enemy at times because I wear my heart on my sleave, but this is getting too much. We've had far too many collapses and this year we've even had quite a few lucky last min wins. This isn't good enough for Milan and something has to change, it either has to be the manager, or the manager has to do something about it. Either way it involves Carlo.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:21
Have to say 100% agree with Nadir here. The coach's job ends when the players take the field, ok not completely but 90%. The rest is up to the team and the captain. The coach does his job pre game in the days leading up and in the dressing room before hand. After that its up to the players. Tonight after the first goal, Maldini needed to relax the players, to get them to calm down and relax. That didn't happen for some reason but its not just his fault its the entire teams fault. Pirlo for me tonight was possibly the biggest culprit of all this.
Sadly I agree... I really like Pirlo but today he was a total disappointment.
shevagol_7
25-05-2005, 17:21
There are fans actually blaming SHEVA for this??? SHEVA???
FFS
Come on Shevchenko didn't play really that great. I bet even he would admit that.
Everyone is to blame for this. That second half was Deportivo esqe.
Why is it that a Juventus fan makes more sense than a whole load of so called Milan fans
zlatanov
25-05-2005, 17:23
I am very very disappointed like all of you guys and I don't feel that way because we lost the game but because of the way we lost it. I would like to congratulate Liverpool for a worthy champion must know that a game of football last until the ref blows the final whistle and not a second before that.
With all due respect to Liverpool, however, I am saddened by the fact that after a great first-half display by us, the title was ours to lose and that's exactly what we managed to do in the second half. I see this game as the perfect summary of our whole 04/05 season - we managed to lose the games we seemed destined to win easily for we got into the habit of losing concentration and allowing goals in almost every game we showed to be the superior side by a mile. This final looks to be the "perfect" ending of a disappointing season for one overconfident Milan, disappointing not because we didn't win anything but because we could have won everything and we let it slip away due to our, at times, preposterous behavior on the field.
I am sorry to say it but I guess the Depor lesson wasn't enough for us and so we gave ourselves an even more painful one tonight. I just hope that the players will overcome the disappointment and be back at their best next season, this time charged with more concentration and humility.
To look for heroes and villains is always easy when the cart has been flipped over - all Milan players and coaching staff have to be blamed for what happend this year just like all of them should be praised for what happened over the last two seasons.
Forza Milan !!!
True we don't know what he said at half time, however he didn't react to Liverpool's tactical changes, nor say much at all to players at FT (which you could see). I know im my worst enemy at times because I wear my heart on my sleave, but this is getting too much. We've had far too many collapses and this year we've even had quite a few lucky last min wins. This isn't good enough for Milan and something has to change, it either has to be the manager, or the manager has to do something about it. Either way it involves Carlo.
I know what your saying it hurts me too, but to be fair to the guy the owner doesnt let him play with three in defence or one up front. Then inzaghi mysteriously dissappeared(OH YEAH WHERE THE HELL WAS HE, IT WAS HIS KIND OF GAME). Ambrosini was injured. He really didnt have many options.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:24
V good post Zlatanov.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 17:24
You cannot blame Sheva. Sheva was one of the better players in the match for gods sake. It wasnt 'criminal' that sheva didnt convert that chance to a goal. Usually it would be yes but you cant BLAME sheva for it. If you blame players whenever he misses a chance (that wasnt a stupid miss, it was more of unlucky) I shudder to think of how many defeats you blame on individual players just because luck wasnt with them on that one occassion wherelse they contributed so much to the team irrespective of that one, little, fault.
I agree to some extent. When the game was about to end, I was saying to myself that Sheva was playing some good ball, creating some opportunities for others and himself. He was leaving guys on the ground.
However, he wasted more than a golden opportunity. I mean, I dont have words to explain it. I dont know why he tried to knock Dudek's head instead of touching the ball as to try to put it away from the GK.
And its Sheva. If that was JDT, I dont know what I would be saying right now.
Hopefully this will make us stronger. Maybe we will learn from this experience. However, the same we said after losing to La Coruña. Same old story.
Snapster
25-05-2005, 17:27
I know what your saying it hurts me too, but to be fair to the guy the owner doesnt let him play with three in defence or one up front. Then inzaghi mysteriously dissappeared(OH YEAH WHERE THE HELL WAS HE, IT WAS HIS KIND OF GAME). Ambrosini was injured. He really didnt have many options.
To be honest, 3 at the back brings horrid memories or Maldini getting whooped for pace during our lovely 3-4-3 era.... I've always been a fan of the 4, more stable for all types of defending.
I think that we shouldn't blaime our players or Carlo, this is football and everything can hapend. In 2003 we won on penalties, but now it was turn that we lose on f*cking penaltis.
Shevchenko aybe mis that great chance but don't forgot all his goals when he saved us (In semifinnals 2003 against Inter, when we played 1-1)...
So please don't blaime him...
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:27
Yes can somebody tell me where the fok Superpippo Inzaghi is?
It is the manner of losing this CL that is sad but whats worse is that its not the first time Milan has slipped. You ought to think Deportivo would've made Milan letting-goals-inophobic. Something is definitely wrong here but I just cannot point my finger at what.
I think we are now gaining a reputation as a team with no bottle.
Teams will learn from this and use the formulae to defeat us.Perhaps its now time for Carlo to go to save us from this reputation.We need to rebuild our reputation.
I now can understand the bitterness of Juventus fans 2 seasons ago. This is too much. Ours is even worse, taking the 3-goal disaster into consideration, we were still much superior to them.
Jesus Christ.....the players just made us the laughing stock of football. I don't know whether to laugh or cry right now. I'm just all numb.
If I decide to cry I'll cry for Crespo. The best striker in the world, but he never won a major title in his life and today he scored TWICE and still he was let down by his teammates and has to settle for that ****ty medal. What he must be feeling right now.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:29
To be honest, 3 at the back brings horrid memories or Maldini getting whooped for pace during our lovely 3-4-3 era.... I've always been a fan of the 4, more stable for all types of defending.
Personal policy: Never trust a 3 man defence.
To be honest, 3 at the back brings horrid memories or Maldini getting whooped for pace during our lovely 3-4-3 era.... I've always been a fan of the 4, more stable for all types of defending.
Yeah but that was a much weaker Milan team. Hes playing at left back anyway.
I`m still shocked and stunned by the game,more precisely ,as Zlatanov nicely put it,by the way we lost it.The title was ours and we let it slip from our hands.I still can`t believe it.I won`t go into the details about the game now,because my mind is in the mess,i`ve been crying a little and nothing makes much sense to me now.Nevertheless,i have to congratulate Liverpool on the title,they did deserve it,as we would if we at least played penalty shoot out as we should.
It turns out(and don`t hate me cos of saying this) that we are bigger losers than even Inter is(no matter how strange this sounds!!!!!),but if every game and every season is a new lesson for us,then i surely hope we are going to learn so much.Whatever the case may be i`ll never lose faith in this team and i`ll never stop loving it.
FORZA MILAN PER SEMPRE!
Yes can somebody tell me where the fok Superpippo Inzaghi is?
It is the manner of losing this CL that is sad but whats worse is that its not the first time Milan has slipped. You ought to think Deportivo would've made Milan letting-goals-inophobic. Something is definitely wrong here but I just cannot point my finger at what.
That puzzled me too. I was expecting Inzaghi to come up. No, I wasn't expecting a certain Crespo who scored a brace to be substituted. He didn't look tired to me. Ancelotti should have substituted someone when it was 3-2. To get us a break and break their momentum. I still couldn't beleive that just happened. It will be a scar in my heart for another 20 years, and I know that. I am still moaning over the loss in 1993 and 1995. CL is way different. I really don't care for Scudetto. The more the better, but I almost forgot the happiness of last year.
Christopher
25-05-2005, 17:31
I am not sure that anyone here is taking anything away from Liverpool they won the game and that is that, I think everyone is highly disapointed at the way our side went down in defeat.
I think we are now gaining a reputation as a team with no bottle.
Teams will learn from this and use the formulae to defeat us.Perhaps its now time for Carlo to go to save us from this reputation.We need to rebuild our reputation.
Our bottle comes in the form of Gatusso, but he on the right when we need him central
Maybe, you can direct your anger at the reffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff :( i just think he made some critical mistakes tonightttttttttttttttttttttttt......some of which might've had (IMO surely had) cost us the gameeee and the trophyyyyyyyy
I agree with you, in such an important match it's rediculous that the ref made these kind of mistakes. Sheva's goal was disallowed, why? Why didn't Hyppia get a red card? Even the penalty wasn't a clear one. This effects the match very much. I think Milan did everything they could to win this match, so don't blame them. It's only human that you are confused when the ref makes these mistakes. And Dudek, he looked like a monkey, I never seen that before, I don't think it's even allowed and the ref should have warned him. I am very dissapointed because Milan deserved to win the match, because they were better! Forza Milan :3band:
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 17:33
:)
that is something u wont see at all at the moment :5hoest:
i am distraught i still cant believe wat happened. i have a feeling that we will see changes happen this summer. its best not to comment about players now because we r all pissed n every1 in this forum wants sum1 fired but i will say 1 thing, i knew we wudnt score after jdt came on. that was a horrible move by carlo. overall im depressed cuz we lost but happy i jus seen a great final, makes me realize all the emotional effects one game can have on so many ppl.
Snapster
25-05-2005, 17:34
Yeah but that was a much weaker Milan team. Hes playing at left back anyway.
True but 3 at the back exposes you more when you attack down the flanks or quickly with pace. Maldini at least has more assurance with 4 at the back. He was younger back then, and if he played in a 3 now I feel he'd be far too exposed, especially with a lack of pace in midfield to cover (and the team as a whole).
And who would you bench for those two??
it';s not about benching them because they are irreplacable. they should have made an attitude adjustment. what's with pirlo's attempt at a chip over dudek after going 3-3? what was with nesta's attempt at a long range shot? it all shows frustration and not calmness.
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 17:35
Personal policy: Never trust a 3 man defence.
at least when we leading 3-0 change the tactics a bit....
no one cared when it was 3-0....
we though we were going to win.
AND REMEMBER what we said after depor: WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES
well we made that mistake again so i guess we didnt learn......
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:35
Milan was better yes but as much as we hate to admit it - they did lose it, even if it was for that mere six minutes. Thats football
Sheva was offside. By a teeny weeny margin but he was offside. The penalty was questionable but I wouldnt really blame the ref on that - at first look it did seem like a penalty and it was only normal for the ref to give the penalty. Dida did very well to save the penalty but I do not know why Milan did not run and try clear the ball instantly? Was it just me or at that time Milan looked like they were sleeping
This is football. We had tons of chances. We totally outplayed them. We could have scored 7 or 8 goals, and if we did, we couldn't care less for the stupid six-minute-insanity or wahtever the fvck is, Crespo, Sheva, Kaka,,, Even when we were in the penalties, I was nervous but I still believed we would win. Who the hell are those liverpool players, how can they sustain such pressure. I guess the damn gimmick by dudek (fvck him :fero:) bothered our players. yet also, I serously doubt Pirlo should be our designated taker.
devoted_dm
25-05-2005, 17:36
You know what? I don't ****ing pity Milan at all after this match. We deserved to lose, because giving up a 3-0 lead means that you aren't good enough to win the trophy. We had the chance to win both the Scudetto and the Champions League this season, and we blew it. And do you know why? Not because we lacked the quality, but because we lacked the mentality. This never looked like a winning season in either competition, and I say it's because the players are too arrogant, too full of themselves. We do extremely well, and then we **** it all up by relaxing too much and thinking that we have won it all before we actually have. And now we have made fools of ourselves two seasons in a row. I am furious!
And do you know what? We need a new coach. I am sorry, Carlo has been great, but if he can't instill the right mentality into our players, then we have no use for him. We need a coach like Capello or Mourinho, a coach who can make our players fight constantly, and not just when they feel like it. I believe Ancelotti is too relaxed.
Next season is our chance to show what we are made of. I demand a double. I am not kidding. I do. Because we have the squad to pull it off. But that requires our players to be mentally strong. We must bounce back after this. If not, then I will have lost so much respect for this club, or rather our current crop of players.
Now how do you mend a broken heart?
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 17:37
milan just cant finish a great season or a game that is going great for them. it has been shown in the past 2 years...
Milan was better yes but as much as we hate to admit it - they did lose it, even if it was for that mere six minutes. Thats football
Sheva was offside. By a teeny weeny margin but he was offside. The penalty was questionable but I wouldnt really blame the ref on that - at first look it did seem like a penalty and it was only normal for the ref to give the penalty. Dida did very well to save the penalty but I do not know why Milan did not run and try clear the ball instantly? Was it just me or at that time Milan looked like they were sleeping
totally agree with everything u said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!u probably most rational at the moment cuz we r all depressed and as a neutral fan of both teams u must be thrilled of the great game.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:38
What saddens me most is that to me it seems that Pirlo is going through his toughest moment. He is such a great player and it is unfortunate he has to face this phase at this time around and it did inflicted a slight damage to Milan in a way. For such a great player I really hate seeing him crumble like this.
I don't think that Sheva was offside, the ball was last touched by a Liverpool player (at least that was what the commentator said) so it could not have been offside.
It is too late to say this. But maybe we do miss Ambrosini today.
I can't realise one thing: We have the best defence in Europe and we recive 3goals in 10min.
We played good in 110min, and L'pool had only 10good min. and they won....
I don't think that Sheva was offside, the ball was last touched by a Liverpool player (at least that was what the commentator said) so it could not have been offside.
I watched that part, he was offside, very slightly. But he was offside.
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 17:41
There is only one problem worries me at this point. It's not that Milan came 2nd in every tourney we cared about and didn't win anything. It's not that we gave up a 3-0 lead. What worries me is that this will happen again and again. I cannot name another team that goes from dominating to being dominated in such a short period of time.
You guys can say we'll learn from this but I can guarantee we won't. We pulled a Deportivo against PSV but lady luck was on our side. We lost to bottom serie a teams thus losing valuable points needed to get the scudetto. Milan seems to be a backwards team. When we played big teams we give 100% all game. When we play weaker teams we score a couple of goals and then lose the lead. I have to repeat this again because it scares me so much, this will happen again if something major isn't done. This is a great team with a great coach and a great organization but Deportivo blunder quickly became a PSV blunder and quickly became Liverpool blunder. There will be more if something isn't done.
I am very very disappointed like all of you guys and I don't feel that way because we lost the game but because of the way we lost it. I would like to congratulate Liverpool for a worthy champion must know that a game of football last until the ref blows the final whistle and not a second before that.
With all due respect to Liverpool, however, I am saddened by the fact that after a great first-half display by us, the title was ours to lose and that's exactly what we managed to do in the second half. I see this game as the perfect summary of our whole 04/05 season - we managed to lose the games we seemed destined to win easily for we got into the habit of losing concentration and allowing goals in almost every game we showed to be the superior side by a mile. This final looks to be the "perfect" ending of a disappointing season for one overconfident Milan, disappointing not because we didn't win anything but because we could have won everything and we let it slip away due to our, at times, preposterous behavior on the field.
I am sorry to say it but I guess the Depor lesson wasn't enough for us and so we gave ourselves an even more painful one tonight. I just hope that the players will overcome the disappointment and be back at their best next season, this time charged with more concentration and humility.
To look for heroes and villains is always easy when the cart has been flipped over - all Milan players and coaching staff have to be blamed for what happend this year just like all of them should be praised for what happened over the last two seasons.
Forza Milan !!!
excellent post and i agree totally. I remember when this season started, Debs had made a comment about the gold lettering on the milan jersey and said that that it looked very arrogant and lacked humility. she was absolutely right and it was indiicative of the season. the only player who came out of this storm smelling like lillies is Dida. Not only does he define class but he embodies it and is an example to all.
also nice of gerard to go around the milan players consoling them.
totally agree with everything u said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!u probably most rational at the moment cuz we r all depressed and as a neutral fan of both teams u must be thrilled of the great game.
Sorry I can't be thrilled right now, and I think I'll never be thrilled about this match. In fact I will try never to think about it again :cpuke:
The ball was touched by a Liverpool defender, I think it was carragher. So it couldn't have been offside
zlatanov
25-05-2005, 17:42
You know what? I don't ****ing pity Milan at all after this match. We deserved to lose, because giving up a 3-0 lead means that you aren't good enough to win the trophy. We had the chance to win both the Scudetto and the Champions League this season, and we blew it. And do you know why? Not because we lacked the quality, but because we lacked the mentality. This never looked like a winning season in either competition, and I say it's because the players are too arrogant, too full of themselves. We do extremely well, and then we **** it all up by relaxing too much and thinking that we have won it all before we actually have.
Fully agree with this part of your post.
as for the rest, I think you are a bit angry and frustrated right now and are just letting emotions get the better of you, not that I am blaming you after a game like this one.
Forza Milaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan !!! There is always next season :devs: :5ok:
It is too late to say this. But maybe we do miss Ambrosini today.
it`s like you`ve read my mind,i was thinking the same when sheva had that great chance at the end of the second extra time.I was thinking how great would`ve been a header from ambro.....
I can't realise one thing: We have the best defence in Europe and we recive 3goals in 10min.
We played good in 110min, and L'pool had only 10good min. and they won....
That's true. Sad, but true. Dont' forget to give Dudek his due credit for being a clown. :mad: :5dito: He actually fumbled just like Carol did for ManU, only that there was no angel for Crespo to slot it right in. He is definitely a clown, but I am disappointed to see Dida let in too many goals lately. Even Abbiati could have done better. Maybe. :(
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:45
Now how do you mend a broken heart?
I wrote this some time back when I was frustrated and some friends contributed the tips but I dont know if it helps. You can try. Tips :
- avoid the media at all costs. AT ALL COSTS. you do not want to see unwanted headlines about your loss.
- get a massage or facial. works everytime. (for girls usually)
- sleep as if there's no tomorrow. Do not get up unnecessarily. Drown into the non-reality because reality sucks.
- avoid opposition fans. AVOID THEM.
- practise smiling in front of the mirror. You need to fake it when you lost.
- watch old tapes of your team's victory. that'll help you feel better.
- go to another team's forums and act like your team is the best in the world ( I wouldnt recommend this one though)
- Play a football game, pick your team against the team who beat you and destroy them 45-0 on "easy" mode (my fav method)
- take out the shotgun and go Juventino hunting :moan:
- wear your Milan jersey with pride to work, school, wherever. If somebody stars laughing at you beat the crap out of that person or just show them the finger or "number six"
The ball was touched by a Liverpool defender, I think it was carragher. So it couldn't have been offside
I think so too! Even a Dutch commentator said it wasn't off side, and he is always against Milan!
Exactly Sylvia.
But it doesn't matter anyhow. Crespo scored twice after that and that should have been plenty.
Playa_Pimp
25-05-2005, 17:47
Hate to say it but i told u guys!!
MILAN NEEDNEW PLAYERS
it`s like you`ve read my mind,i was thinking the same when sheva had that great chance at the end of the second extra time.I was thinking how great would`ve been a header from ambro.....
I was more thinking that with Ambrosini we could have provided Kaka more protection he needed. As I said, I only watched teh first 50 minutes until Hamman came in. Kaka was free to do whatever he wanted! I seriously doubt that he was doing the same for the rest of the game, since if he did, we would have won 10-0!!! probably something wrong happened to him, and whether it had anyting to do with Hamman I don't know. And I don't want to watch the game again. :(
Also, ambrosini seems to me a player that can motivate teammates on pitch, yelling and shouting. And I insist blaming Ancelotti for not making any substitute when we were still at 3-2. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO BREAK THEIR MOMENTUM. If it stayed 3-2 for another 5 minutes, we would have won at 5-2 or 4-2. My heart is so broken. :mad:
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:49
Well my commentator didnt say nothing bout the ball being touched by a 'Pool player and even after replays I didnt notice it either, I guess I was too immersed in seeing whether Sheva was offside or not. Hmmm
Now how do you mend a broken heart?
good question. just gutted right now.
anyway, thank you milan for a wonderful season. forza milan always. always.
always.
I wrote this some time back when I was frustrated and some friends contributed the tips but I dont know if it helps. You can try. Tips :
- avoid the media at all costs. AT ALL COSTS. you do not want to see unwanted headlines about your loss.
- get a massage or facial. works everytime. (for girls usually)
- sleep as if there's no tomorrow. Do not get up unnecessarily. Drown into the non-reality because reality sucks.
- avoid opposition fans. AVOID THEM.
- practise smiling in front of the mirror. You need to fake it when you lost.
- watch old tapes of your team's victory. that'll help you feel better.
- go to another team's forums and act like your team is the best in the world ( I wouldnt recommend this one though)
- Play a football game, pick your team against the team who beat you and destroy them 45-0 on "easy" mode (my fav method)
- take out the shotgun and go Juventino hunting :moan:
- wear your Milan jersey with pride to work, school, wherever. If somebody stars laughing at you beat the crap out of that person or just show them the finger or "number six"
Great post! I think the first one is the best, avoid all the media!! And avoid 'friends' who are laughing because of this defeat. Just don't talk to them for a week.
I wrote this some time back when I was frustrated and some friends contributed the tips but I dont know if it helps. You can try. Tips :
- avoid the media at all costs. AT ALL COSTS. you do not want to see unwanted headlines about your loss.
- get a massage or facial. works everytime. (for girls usually)
- sleep as if there's no tomorrow. Do not get up unnecessarily. Drown into the non-reality because reality sucks.
- avoid opposition fans. AVOID THEM.
- practise smiling in front of the mirror. You need to fake it when you lost.
- watch old tapes of your team's victory. that'll help you feel better.
- go to another team's forums and act like your team is the best in the world ( I wouldnt recommend this one though)
- Play a football game, pick your team against the team who beat you and destroy them 45-0 on "easy" mode (my fav method)
- take out the shotgun and go Juventino hunting :moan:
- wear your Milan jersey with pride to work, school, wherever. If somebody stars laughing at you beat the crap out of that person or just show them the finger or "number six"
Thanks, Sally. That was very sweet of you. Do you have to be a Juventino?? :) I hate your team so much. :devil:
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 17:52
It had nothing much to do with players but their mentality. We dominated the first half. We dominated much of the 2nd and we spent almost 80% of the time in Liverpool half during extra time. We have the players now we just need someone to wake them up.
None of us should be blaming missed chances at extra time or missed penalties. The game was lost when the score became 3-3. This is unacceptable by Milan standars.
Quite frankly that is so selfish of the entire Milan team. They broke a lot of fans' hearts today all because they couldn't continue playing well for another half hour.
Exactly Sylvia.
But it doesn't matter anyhow. Crespo scored twice after that and that should have been plenty.
I know but these decisions somehow affect the game. :depress:
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 17:52
i think that there wil be a lot of changes for next season....
zlatanov
25-05-2005, 17:53
I watched that part, he was offside, very slightly. But he was offside.
Agree. It was a correct decision by the linesman. In fact I can only congratulate the linesmen in this game for they had it right in a number of very close situations.
Can't blame the referee for Alonso's penalty too - I watched the situation a number of times and you can see how Gattuso catches Gerrard's foot. The only bitter taste as far as refereing is concerned comes from the way Dudek was allowed to behave during the penalty shoot-out, but I guess that's part of the game, an ugly one, but still part of it.
Anyway, we should have won this game long before the penalties and for this we can't blame anyone else but ourselves.
We will bounce back guys, and for this to happen Carlo has to say. It would be a grave mistake to sack him especially in a moment like this one. Hopefully, Silvio has more brains than emotions right now.
Froza Milan !!!
Well my commentator didnt say nothing bout the ball being touched by a 'Pool player and even after replays I didnt notice it either, I guess I was too immersed in seeing whether Sheva was offside or not. Hmmm
My point too. I didn't see it touched, so probably I was wrong. However, what's the point discussing that anyway? We lost, in a heart-breaking way. And Liverpool now can keep this cup. :nervous: I am so jealous. How I wish we can have two (I was talking about the real trophy!)for us...
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:54
everybody here hates Juve :mad:
am off to bed now (its foking 7 am!!) and as a member of MM I hope you guys feel better. But I cannot state my wishes as a Juventina :D
Just remember... in these trying times it well test your loyalty to Milan. No matter what team you support you will be respected if you stick by them through thick and thin. Never be a fan who gave up on their team. Thats the worst kind. NEVER.
i can't even bear to think about it in the usual "if only", "what if" "referee..." , I'm completely destroyed.
here's to next season.
. The only bitter taste as far as refereing is concerned comes from the way Dudek was allowed to behave during the penalty shoot-out,
Dida did the same for us against Juve to save Montero's penalty two years ago, which was decisive. It's all fair game.
Dida did the same for us against Juve to save Montero's penalty two years ago, which was decisive. It's all fair game.
WHAT? DIDA? what the heck are you talking about? He was the most humble guy on the field!!!!!!!!! It was Buffon acting like a buffoon that day. Dudek was acting very cocky.
I am going to try to sleep too! This is football, lets just support milan in good and in bad times :3band: This season it was just not meant to be...
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 17:59
Actually both Dida and Buffon did it if I remember correctly. But both were still tolerable. Dudek, as someone else put it - was just plain monkey-ish.
WHAT? DIDA? what the heck are you talking about? He was the most humble guy on the field!!!!!!!!! It was Buffon acting like a buffoon that day. Dudek was acting very cocky.
I'm refering to jumping forward 1 meter in front of the line.
Dida did the same for us against Juve to save Montero's penalty two years ago, which was decisive. It's all fair game.
I think I saw those penaly kicks about 30 times, and I never noticed Dida doing anything like that!
Agree. It was a correct decision by the linesman. In fact I can only congratulate the linesmen in this game for they had it right in a number of very close situations.
Can't blame the referee for Alonso's penalty too - I watched the situation a number of times and you can see how Gattuso catches Gerrard's foot. The only bitter taste as far as refereing is concerned comes from the way Dudek was allowed to behave during the penalty shoot-out, but I guess that's part of the game, an ugly one, but still part of it.
Anyway, we should have won this game long before the penalties and for this we can't blame anyone else but ourselves.
We will bounce back guys, and for this to happen Carlo has to say. It would be a grave mistake to sack him especially in a moment like this one. Hopefully, Silvio has more brains than emotions right now.
Froza Milan !!!
Almost all my points. Fvck that clown Dudek, I wonder how he could get away. What concerns me the most, is that we are repeating this again and again!!! Firstly deportivo, then PSV, now we are in the history book in such a shameful way. How can I ever be confident again if we couldn't manage to defend a 3-0 lead? :dontkn: Lack of motivation should not be an excuse anymore.
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 18:02
and now what the **** do i tell the ppl at my school that i have been telling em that milan are the best in europe and we will be champions... man i feel VERY VERY sad. this is so bad. im about to rewatch parts of the game and just see the good things and then those nightmare minutes and see what went wrong......
I think the only thing we can blame the players is that they are not aggresive enough
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:03
Almost all my points. Fvck that clown Dudek, I wonder how he could get away. What concerns me the most, is that we are repeating this again and again!!! Firstly deportivo, then PSV, now we are in the history book in such a shameful way. How can I ever be confident again if we couldn't manage to defend a 3-0 lead? :dontkn: Lack of motivation should not be an excuse anymore.
And if a 3-0 lead doesnt motivate you, what about the other team?
I dont know what is the problem, but I dont think its motivation related.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:03
Being 3 steps ahead of the line is one thing but is Dudek allowed to make such ... gestures during penalty kicks? I dont think theres any official UEFA ruling bout that but that was irritating
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 18:03
I think the only thing we can blame the players is that they are not aggresive enough
yep i agree
Actually both Dida and Buffon did it if I remember correctly. But both were still tolerable. Dudek, as someone else put it - was just plain monkey-ish.
sorry. dida did no such thing. he celebrated ONLY after winning the game. i have that game taped. i watched that numerous times. he only celebrated with sheva after winning. buffon was acting like an ass after saving a pk.
Well that's fair game sehnsucht79. If you're to take a penalty you just have to deal with that .Let Dudek be a clown and punish him for it. Make him look ridiculous by scoring. A pro should do his job. Don't reward Dudek by being intimidated like that. Just slot it home.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:05
Well I watched it a number of times too - I am referring to them being ahead of the goal line during penalties. Dida was in front of the line for Montero's PK, so was Gigi Buffon on one of the PKs but as I recall these two were not as bad as Dudek's
It wasnt just me, ESPN also highlighted this issue after the final was played in 2003
killiegradge
25-05-2005, 18:06
NO EXCUSES!NO MILAN team shoukd lose to a pub team after leading 3-0!It is totally unacceptable_It is a mental problem not a physical problem-Ancellotti must go!?
Tonight we had our pockets picked by the Scousers-didn they enter our half in the second period of XT?What abot their goalie for the pens-well out of order !But the game was over at HT-we only have ourselves to blame.Big changes for next season are needed!
Even the Buffs dont concede 3 goal leads!!
lets not bicker, sehnsucht is a juve fan and is being a ****ing amazing sport to come and console us. I'm just going to forget about football for a couple of days, support milan on the last game with all my heart and look forward to a new season.
Actually both Dida and Buffon did it if I remember correctly. But both were still tolerable. Dudek, as someone else put it - was just plain monkey-ish.
Dida did it to Montello, and he got away with it. I remember that. I don't know about Buffon, seemed to me that he got inspired by Dida and tried to do it to Nesta but he failed still. nonetheless, they tried to do it once at most, unlike Dudek, a total clown. Should have protested to UEFA when he was assigned, like what we did in 1994. We got rid of the assigned referee who was said to be a close friend of Cruyff and we won 4-0.
I guess we didn't seriously believe Liverpool would become such a hard nut to crack. Damn!!!!! I thought we could have won 4-0 again, and it looked so good... :(
I never saw any goalkeeper do what Dudek did today....it almost made me laugh, almost, because I was to nervous to laugh! Totally not acceptable!
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:06
Theres nothing you can do about it. Dudek can move along the line, move his feet, his arms, etc. I agree he is a stupid monkey, but rules are rules.
Pirlo's PK was a joke. Dudek almost ended outside his area.
- avoid the media at all costs. AT ALL COSTS. you do not want to see unwanted headlines about your loss.
- get a massage or facial. works everytime. (for girls usually)
- sleep as if there's no tomorrow. Do not get up unnecessarily. Drown into the non-reality because reality sucks.
- avoid opposition fans. AVOID THEM.
- practise smiling in front of the mirror. You need to fake it when you lost.
- watch old tapes of your team's victory. that'll help you feel better.
- go to another team's forums and act like your team is the best in the world ( I wouldnt recommend this one though)
- Play a football game, pick your team against the team who beat you and destroy them 45-0 on "easy" mode (my fav method)
- take out the shotgun and go Juventino hunting :moan:
- wear your Milan jersey with pride to work, school, wherever. If somebody stars laughing at you beat the crap out of that person or just show them the finger or "number six"
I will try to do some of this...
I must go tomorrow in school :groan:
But I'm going in Milan jersey, 3 of my good friends are Juventinos :groan: tomorrow is D- day or I'll kill someone or someone will kill me :5milan:
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:08
I never saw any goalkeeper do what Dudek did today....it almost made me laugh, almost, because I was to nervous to laugh! Totally not acceptable!
Its not a first. I saw it before.
Dida did it to Montello, and he got away with it.
who is montello? is this a player like paolo inzaghi again?
Dida did it to Montello, and he got away with it. I remember that. I don't know about Buffon, seemed to me that he got inspired by Dida and tried to do it to Nesta but he failed still. nonetheless, they tried to do it once at most, unlike Dudek, a total clown. Should have protested to UEFA when he was assigned, like what we did in 1994. We got rid of the assigned referee who was said to be a close friend of Cruyff and we won 4-0.
I guess we didn't seriously believe Liverpool would become such a hard nut to crack. Damn!!!!! I thought we could have won 4-0 again, and it looked so good... :(
Sorry, but Dida never did such a thing, of course there is always some acting, that's very normal, but not like Dudek did!
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 18:09
The real question is, how did Serginho miss the net :(
hitmannq8
25-05-2005, 18:09
im extremely depressed and im considering suicide for this utterly and disgusting season
the only reason we lost, was the fans.. i just returned to the hotel from the stadium
WHERE THE FK WAS ALL THE MILAN FANS?!~?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Maybe 90% of the stadium was liverpool, and they kept cheering them even when they were 3-0 down!!! I cannot believe that there werent more than 5000 milan fans.. all of which in the curva.. i nearly got beat like 4 times for shouting alone, but i was in between the liverpool fans unforunately..
after they scored their first.. their fans kept singing and that boosted them, that made them score a 2nd, and a 3rd in a very short time... and in penalties, serginho shot it high because of the liverpool fans whistling.. it put hell alot of pressure on him. poor sheva, it just wasnt his day..
TOMASSON? WHY THE HELL IS THIS PIECE OF SH*T STILL IN MILAN? Berlusconi will deal with him this summer.. he certainly didnt look pleased at the end of the game, i saw him stare disguustingly at carlo ancelotti..
i really cannot believe we lacked character to lose a 3 goal lead.. all that talk about having 10 days to be ready and saying we will win it.. all vanished in just 6 minutes..
anyway, there is no use in trying to blame refs or anything.. to me, i'd blame all the milan fans that didnt come.. they are the ones that lost the game in my opinion..
and this liverpool side that won this trophy, is the luckiest side i think that have EVER won it.. even porto last year deserved it more! Liverpool beat Olympiakos in the last 3 minutes... then against, Juve, a 100% correct Del Piero goal at Anfield was called offside, and they were lucky that Cannavaro hit the post at the end of the game at Turin.. and with Chelsea? Their goal didnt even pass the line ffs! And with us? omg.. I cannot believe that double-save in the 117th minute..
dang, i dunno what im saying, i really feel like killing myself
Well I watched it a number of times too - I am referring to them being ahead of the goal line during penalties. Dida was in front of the line for Montero's PK, so was Gigi Buffon on one of the PKs but as I recall these two were not as bad as Dudek's
It wasnt just me, ESPN also highlighted this issue after the final was played in 2003
i thought u were talking about the cockiness and attitude.
who is montello? is this a player like paolo inzaghi again?
Hey, don't try to blame this one on me, why am i supposed to remember a player's name from other team? ;)
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:10
I think most gks - Buffon and Dida in 03 - were in front of their line but they werent THREE steps ahead of it! (as I recall) plus they attempted it only once, Dudek did it twice
Hes such a monkey. He can do it but it only breed hatred in me for him.
who is montello? is this a player like paolo inzaghi again?
You know who he's talking about. Don't be like that.
i thought u were talking about the cockiness and attitude.
See, you made mistakes too. By the way, we were the only two who predicted 4-0 win. Try to be with me more. :cheers:
I am still so sad. ....
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:12
TOMASSON? WHY THE HELL IS THIS PIECE OF SH*T STILL IN MILAN? Berlusconi will deal with him this summer.. he certainly didnt look pleased at the end of the game, i saw him stare disguustingly at carlo ancelotti..
I said the same thing. Hopefully he wont wear red and black again. And its not an opinion based on one single game. I cant stand watching him.
TOMASSON? WHY THE HELL IS THIS PIECE OF SH*T STILL IN MILAN? Berlusconi will deal with him this summer.. he certainly didnt look pleased at the end of the game, i saw him stare disguustingly at carlo ancelotti..
this piece of **** scored a crucial goal to get us into the final. he also scored the penalty. he also scored against palermo last friday. not his fault if the team gives up after taking the lead.
how many teams do you know that go up 3-0 TWICE in the space of 10 days and throw that away?
You know who he's talking about. Don't be like that.
is he referring to a roma game? are u talking about montella or montero?
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:13
On a lighter and slightly more cheerful note Maradona was very much impressed with Kaka today :)
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 18:14
There is no reason to blame Tomasson. He didn't give up 3 goals.
On a lighter and slightly more cheerful note Maradona was very much impressed with Kaka today :)
who the f... cares if maradona was impressed with kaka. lol . no offense but it means very little to me considering we threw away two 3-0 leads in the last two games.
is he referring to a roma game? are u talking about montella or montero?
I thought you were just trying to pull a jure on me. Of course we were talking about the final in 2003. :p146: Did Montella ever score a penalty in front of Dida? I don't recall so. ..
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:15
On a lighter and slightly more cheerful note Maradona was very much impressed with Kaka today :)
Not really.
Nadir-----Montero, his penalty two years ago in the CL Final. Dida jumped off his line three feet in front of his goal and started dancing from the left and to the right and saved.
Nothing wrong with it, and Dudek did the same thing. Anything to win is justified in a final.
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 18:16
Galliani confirmed Ancelloti stays.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:17
Galliani confirmed Ancelloti stays.
Should we consider that good news?
hitmannq8
25-05-2005, 18:17
im so heart broken.. i honestly started to hear echoes in my head of milan fans cheering and liverpool fans :(.. why the hell didnt any milan fans come today :(
I think GUUS HIDDINK is the right man for the job.
His teams are solid and don't play like a bunch of Sunday lunch drunks.
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 18:18
Should we consider that good news?
lol
I'm gonna say no comment :)
zlatanov
25-05-2005, 18:18
this piece of **** scored a crucial goal to get us into the final. he also scored the penalty. he also scored against palermo last friday. not his fault if the team gives up after taking the lead.
how many teams do you know that go up 3-0 TWICE in the space of 10 days and throw that away?
Agree with you, Nadir. In fact JDT and Kaka scored their penalties in a very professional way. Saddly, it was our best PK takers that failed to take theirs but again this game should have never gone to penalties.
Now we are the first team to have ever lost a final after taking a 3-0 lead. JDT is not the one who should be blamed for this for he has been very good for us in the past month or so.
Nadir-----Montero, his penalty two years ago in the CL Final. Dida jumped off his line three feet in front of his goal and started dancing from theleft and to the right and saved the PK.
Nothing wrong with it, and Dudek did the same thing. Anything to win is justified in a final.
thanks,
but to point out, I don't think they are justified. We got away with it, we are Milan fans, we are ok with that, juventino may be bitter but there is nothing they can do. Just like us now. :broken:
That said, Dudek IS A HUGE ASS!!! Fvck him!!!
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:19
From goal.com
Filippo Inzaghi will not even have the chance to play this evening as Carlo Ancelotti decided to place 'Super-Pippo' in the stands.
The Milan striker wasn’t expected to start, but the reasons why he won't even get to sit on the bench are unclear as no last minute injury appears to have hit him.
Italian television station Sky Sport 1 is reporting that Ancelotti and Galliani had a strong discussion over Inzaghi’s exclusion.
Shevchenko and Crespo will form the AC Milan starting striking duo, while Tomasson will be ready to come-off the bench.
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I am officially confused.
hitmannq8
25-05-2005, 18:21
this is terrible.. we used to make fun of inter and they always say there's always next season, and all i see here is, we'll do it next season :(
even inter can have the coppa italia this season!!!! i mean, maybe not winning anything is a huge loss, but a bigger bigger loss is that, INTER MIGHT WIN SOMETHING and we didnt!
GRRRR IM SO ANGRY and sad AND depressed i hate this i want to leave istanbul right now
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:22
From goal.com
Filippo Inzaghi will not even have the chance to play this evening as Carlo Ancelotti decided to place 'Super-Pippo' in the stands.
The Milan striker wasn’t expected to start, but the reasons why he won't even get to sit on the bench are unclear as no last minute injury appears to have hit him.
Italian television station Sky Sport 1 is reporting that Ancelotti and Galliani had a strong discussion over Inzaghi’s exclusion.
Shevchenko and Crespo will form the AC Milan starting striking duo, while Tomasson will be ready to come-off the bench.
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I am officially confused.
Yup, even Maradona-Kempes noticed this. I mean, 24 hours before the match it was Crespo or Inzaghi and all of the sudden Pippo didnt even dress.
Mmmm....
zlatanov
25-05-2005, 18:22
I think GUUS HIDDINK is the right man for the job.
His teams are solid and don't play like a bunch of Sunday lunch drunks.
he is definitely one for Milan, along with Tassoti ... but only after Carlo has decided to leave. I know it is the coach's job to keep concentration high but sometimes things don't depend entirely on him alone - players are also to blame for fall out like the one we witnessed tonight.
From goal.com
Filippo Inzaghi will not even have the chance to play this evening as Carlo Ancelotti decided to place 'Super-Pippo' in the stands.
The Milan striker wasn’t expected to start, but the reasons why he won't even get to sit on the bench are unclear as no last minute injury appears to have hit him.
Italian television station Sky Sport 1 is reporting that Ancelotti and Galliani had a strong discussion over Inzaghi’s exclusion.
Shevchenko and Crespo will form the AC Milan starting striking duo, while Tomasson will be ready to come-off the bench.
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I am officially confused.
pippo didn't even make the bench. it's ok because ancelotti's tactics in terms of attack worked fine - they scored 3 goals. what more can you ask? that being said, the team's attitude stunk.
Also, confirmation that Carlo stays Milan's coach.
SILVIO BERLUSCONI: 'Milan played better'
5/26/2005
ISTANBUL - Silvio Berlusconi spoke after the game: 'Football is like politics: one thinks they have won and then you don't. Liverpool's three goals were very strange. They had three chances and took them while we had plenty at the end. Milan played really well. As for Carlo Ancelotti leaving, I don't think so. I don't sack anyone.'
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let's be clear about one thing - milan lost the game in attitude. not because of the ref, not because of PK's, not because of the coach, or the tactics - just attitude. and this is the most base, lowest denominator. if attitude is missing, then we shouldn't even complain about ref's decisions, because it is like saying, "we don't have any money to buy bread but we want to complain about the clothes that the bread salesman is wearing."
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 18:23
ANCELOTTI: 'We weren't second to anyone'
5/26/2005
ISTANBUL - Carlo Ancelotti had nothing to reproach his players apart for the six minutes when Liverpool got back into the game: 'There is plenty of disappointment, we were a step there then it fell apart. We played well throughout except for six minutes of insanity that threw everything all away. However, I am not going to reproach my players, they did everything they could. We have shown in Europe that we are not second to anyone. We will be back to win this cup. I repeat, we are the strongest in Europe.'
I'll be honest. After reading this I have hope. In a week this bullsh*t will be forgotten and a new year will begin for our Milan.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:23
lol
I'm gonna say no comment :)
It wasnt a sarcastic remark. Really. :u56:
Is that good news for Milan?
thanks,
That said, Dudek IS A HUGE ASS!!! Fvck him!!!
He is actually a very nice guy. I know he is, believe me.
He got a blessing from the former Pope John Paul II three years ago. Maybe that's what did it today.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:24
I understand that and I dont know bout everyone else but for Pippo not even making it to the bench? Isnt that odd considering that everyone (not just in MM) was contemplating whether it was Crespo or him would start with Sheva? And here he is not even on the bench.
And what could that "strong discussion" possibly be? Hmm
He is actually a very nice guy. I know he is, believe me.
He got a blessing from the former Pope 3 years ago. Maybe that's what did it today.
dudek did nothing wrong. he was just portraying confidence. congratulations to him. i don't like cockiness because what goes around comes around but hey...
next year boys and girls.
anyone in ottawa want to meet up tonight to console each other? :)
fantasheva
25-05-2005, 18:25
It wasnt a sarcastic remark. Really. :u56:
Is that good news for Milan?
I think it is.
I am afraid that Milan haven't learned anything from Deportivo or PSV and I am even more afraid they won't learn anything from today's game.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:26
3 is the magic number. They will.
God, this is such a repeat of 1978 (yr?) - Pope dies. Juve won Serie A. Pool to win the CL. Inter the Italian Cup.
Freaky.
I think it is.
I am afraid that Milan haven't learned anything from Deportivo or PSV and I am even more afraid they won't learn anything from today's game.
its good news for milan because it adds stability to the team. we don't want to be like roma or inter - with 4 coaches every few years lol.
it's bad news for milan if carlo doesn't do something about the defence and teaching the team how to hold on to wins. man, 45 mins into the game, we were thinking of where to celebrate. now i am thinking, where to cry so nobody sees me.
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:28
I dont know why upper management doesnt leave Carlo alone and let him do his magic (work).
For any coach it would be a blessing to manage Milan, but when you have Berlusconi and Galliani there, I dont know....
Agree with you, Nadir. In fact JDT and Kaka scored their penalties in a very professional way. Saddly, it was our best PK takers that failed to take theirs but again this game should have never gone to penalties.
Now we are the first team to have ever lost a final after taking a 3-0 lead. JDT is not the one who should be blamed for this for he has been very good for us in the past month or so.
Exactly.
This could have been a memorable final for us. ...
You don't expect our captain to score every game. :proud:
The quickest goal in the final;
the oldest scorer in the tournament (according to UEFA. is it true?)
The first team to throw away 3-0 lead.
Damn it, if I am not wrong, we were also the 5th team to throw away any lead. Didn't we also lead the game against Real Madrid in 1958?
Also, LIverpool's perfect run against white-jersey teams still continue..
They got to keep this real trophy for good as it was their 5th..
I don't think I can recover until we win our 7th cup. Taht's too much for me. I am not afraid of Juventus and Inter fans coming to jeer at us or throw in insults. I couldn't care less. I don't support Milan for that. I love Milan. that's all. I just need some time, maybe a long long time to swallow this bitterness.
:yuck: :pchate:
This is by far the worst blow I can think of in my 25 years of football :cry:
What happened tonight can't be described. The best 45 minutes of football by Milan in the Ancelotti era, magic play, the best Kaka' I can think of, then Sheva almost made if 4-0 before those 6 minutes of craziness. I'll be honest and say to me it seemed that this was meant to happen and there was nothing we could do about it. I have no one to blame.
This'll be very difficult to get over.
3 is the magic number. They will.
God, this is such a repeat of 1978 (yr?) - Pope dies. Juve won Serie A. Pool to win the CL. Inter the Italian Cup.
Freaky.
Indeed, :noevil2:
I was hoping that if we won this one, maybe Inter will go down too. ;)
Damn, I am still so sad, that even making fun of Inter couldn't cheer me up... :stress:
This is by far the worst blow I can think of in my 25 years of football :cry:
What happened tonight can't be described. The best 45 minutes of football by Milan in the Ancelotti era, magic play, the best Kaka' I can think of, then Sheva almost made if 4-0 before those 6 minutes of craziness. I'll be honest and say to me it seemed that this was meant to happen and there was nothing we could do about it. I have no one to blame.
This'll be very difficult to get over.
I second that. :wallbang:
Exactly.
This could have been a memorable final for us. ...
You don't expect our captain to score every game. :proud:
The quickest goal in the final;
the oldest scorer in the tournament (according to UEFA. is it true?)
The first team to throw away 3-0 lead.
Damn it, if I am not wrong, we were also the 5th team to throw away any lead. Didn't we also lead the game against Real Madrid in 1958?
Also, LIverpool's perfect run against white-jersey teams still continue..
They got to keep this real trophy for good as it was their 5th..
I don't think I can recover until we win our 7th cup. Taht's too much for me. I am not afraid of Juventus and Inter fans coming to jeer at us or throw in insults. I couldn't care less. I don't support Milan for that. I love Milan. that's all. I just need some time, maybe a long long time to swallow this bitterness.
:yuck: :pchate:
we are not the first team to throw away any lead. remember bayern munich lost to manchester united in the final in 1998/99?
we are not the first team to throw away any lead. remember bayern munich lost to manchester united in the final in 1998/99?
where did I mention that we are the first team to throw away lead?
where did I mention that we are the first team to throw away lead?
you did, but then you erased it from your post :delol:
jk
i don;t know where you mentioned it! why are you asking me? i am so depreessed i can't even read. :510:
MARA*10*DONA
25-05-2005, 18:37
this is terrible.. we used to make fun of inter and they always say there's always next season, and all i see here is, we'll do it next season :(
even inter can have the coppa italia this season!!!! i mean, maybe not winning anything is a huge loss, but a bigger bigger loss is that, INTER MIGHT WIN SOMETHING and we didnt!
GRRRR IM SO ANGRY and sad AND depressed i hate this i want to leave istanbul right now
I'm sorry to say that but watch out for Inter next seaseon.....as their second half of the year they will be the team to beat. sadly
ACMILAN1983
25-05-2005, 18:37
I'm not sure what to say tbh. We WERE outstanding in the match and CLEARLY better, but for 6 minutes we were a disaster.
I'm not sure what to really say, seriously.
I guess Milan should work on mentality as we clearly have had negative impacts in cup ties when trying to hold leads.
Well, I guess we should think ahead and prepare for next season and work on our weaknesses.
FORZA MILAN!!!!
i wuz riting an essay todai wether fate or free will killed romeo n juliet. i think it wuz fate that we lost, it just wasnt ment to be. we will bounce back like always. plus winning all the time is boring, im enjoying this crazy soccer. this is the time to c who the real fans r, they r the ones that dont blame the coach/players/refs and they hope that there is sumthing better for milan in the future. i know we r all brokne hearted but lets not blame the team, lets support them through the hardest times. if we feel bad, imagine how they feel.
I'm sorry to say that but watch out for Inter next seaseon.....as their second half of the year they will be the team to beat. sadly
That's why I am so sad. last year and this year we had golden chances!!! You don't expect yourself to be in the final just because you play well!!! you have to have luck and everything. Last year all the team got eliminated, Arsenal, Madrid one day before us, I thought we were there!! And this year we faced Liverpool, a UEFA team for crying out! No offense, but without their coach, they should be happy that they ended at 5th in EPL.
We played well tonight, not to mention the textbook first half, even in the second half, I don't agree with some of you here who claimed we were worse. We are better, always better. But that's football, we played well for 114 minutes, they did for 6 minuts and some insanity during the shoot-out, and we lost. We did it to PSV, and it came back to us. We won on the penalties to Juventus, and it came back to us.
Fvck it. :(
i wuz riting an essay todai wether fate or free will killed romeo n juliet. i think it wuz fate that we lost, it just wasnt ment to be. we will bounce back like always. plus winning all the time is boring, im enjoying this crazy soccer. this is the time to c who the real fans r, they r the ones that dont blame the coach/players/refs and they hope that there is sumthing better for milan in the future. i know we r all brokne hearted but lets not blame the team, lets support them through the hardest times. if we feel bad, imagine how they feel.
I sincerely beg to differ. :rollani:
Maradona (10)
25-05-2005, 18:45
You can blame and support at the same time. I think as fans its hard not to do so, especially after how we managed to lose this one.
And next time we reach the UCL final, DO NOT TOUCH THE TROPHY!!!
:p231:
Winning all the time is boring????!!!! say what?
I guess that was exactly the mentality of our players the first 15 minutes after HT....
goodnight all. i am going to bed. take care and don't be too depressed. remember, what makes us Milan fans is the fact that they bring us such great joy when they do win, and we are fortunate that they DO win a lot. It is moments like this that separate the bandwagon jumpers from the true red and black fans.
So be proud of the fact that you are still here, still a fan and crying with the rest of the rossonerri into their cherished Milan home jerseys.
Be proud of the fact that you are part of a family of Rossoneri - from the Trinidad, to England, to Spain, to Italy, to Jordan, to Malaysia, to China, to Australia, to Canada, to Brazil! Be proud of the fact that it is terrible losses like this that make the victories all the more special because we know hard they are to get.
Don't be depressed over the fact that we had victory snatched from us. We will - WE WILL AND HAVE TO - learn from this and it will make us a better team in the future.
Be consoled by the fact that the next year brings a new jersey, new players and new tactics and we will be once again cheering together as one family for the boys again. Sure we may disagree with each other once in a while but I love all of you red and black boys and girls :) yes even the mythical Paolo Inzaghi haha.
SO FOR NOW, and FOREVER, we are and we will always be ROSSONERI. TWO SILVER MEDALS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY AWESOME! so congratulations to Milan for that.
SHOW YOUR MILAN PRIDE TONIGHT AND TOMORROW- wear your jerseys out there. WEAR THEM WITH PRIDE and tell anyone who asks why you are wearing them that you are a PROUD ROSSONERI and you have REASON to be be proud. Cus we have the best damn team in the world with the best damn pedigree and the best damn jersey.
FORZA MILAN PER SEMPRE!
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS RED AND BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:49
It was Milans own fault yes but it was also a combination of that and, well, I dont know if its luck but it just didnt happen. For some reason the world decided that Milan wasnt gonna lift the trophy today.
Friggin football. Even when us football fans' heart bled so much we still come running back to our respective teams. Then get disappointed all over again. Then support them still. Its a natural cycle of life :D
It was Milans own fault yes but it was also a combination of that and, well, I dont know if its luck but it just didnt happen. For some reason the world decided that Milan wasnt gonna lift the trophy today.
Friggin football. Even when us football fans' heart bled so much we still come running back to our respective teams. Then get disappointed all over again. Then support them still. Its a natural cycle of life :D
I remember you were going to bed at 7, and now it is almost 8 right? ;)
THANKS!
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 18:53
Yes. I will go now. Its not my fault Im bloody addicted to this forum. ;)
this is one of the times where ancelotti couldve used ambro... bringing in tomasson was stupid and now even if i sided with him, im ready to see him leave the guy is pathetic, carlo made the same mistake rijkaard did vs chelsea... he shouldve played it safe and he shouldve added a defensive minded midfielder or play the christmas tree formation where he would bring on serginho and play seedorf in the center with pirlo and gattuso... milan shouldve defended and played the counter attack since we started the 2nd half
i cant believe this... this week has been so full of ****!!!
this is one of the times where ancelotti couldve used ambro... bringing in tomasson was stupid and now even if i sided with him, im ready to see him leave the guy is pathetic, carlo made the same mistake rijkaard did vs chelsea... he shouldve played it safe and he shouldve added a defensive minded midfielder or play the christmas tree formation where he would bring on serginho and play seedorf in the center with pirlo and gattuso... milan shouldve defended and played the counter attack since we started the 2nd half
i cant believe this... this week has been so full of ****!!!
jdt scored the penalty.
jdt scored against PSV.
JDT scored against palermo.
why are you blaming jdt for losing this game? is it his fault?
Few points to make: quotes
"Nonetheless, the Premiership outfit is currently unable to come back and try to win it again, as victory no longer automatically qualifies them for the next edition."
They can't defend their trophy. Unbelievable.
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Shevchenko had converted the winning spot-kick in the 2003 Old Trafford shoot-out, but saw his penalty saved this time.
“My mind was clear before the penalty, but I knew I had to score and the goalkeeper performed a good save. I saw him going to the right and tried to hit it centrally, but he left his leg trailing and lifted it.”
Paolo Maldini opened the scoring after just 57 seconds, but was the most gracious in defeat and prevented his teammates from going straight back into the changing rooms.
“Maldini told us to wait on the pitch and go to salute the travelling fans,” revealed Shevchenko. “These are strange nights, as we managed to throw away a 3-0 lead and still couldn’t seal it despite having the opportunities to do so. It hurts to miss the decisive penalty, too.”
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Bravo Maldini.
ac_milan_foreva
25-05-2005, 19:15
Indeed, :noevil2:
I was hoping that if we won this one, maybe Inter will go down too. ;)
Damn, I am still so sad, that even making fun of Inter couldn't cheer me up... :stress:
dude forget about inter for a sec. the thing is we failed. we had a great season and then it all went downhill since that juve loss. Now we are trophiless :w212:
ppl blame tomasson cuz he alwais seems so useless even though he scores many decisive goals for us.
sehnsucht79
25-05-2005, 19:20
Good ol' Paolo. Gerrard was also nice in shaking everyone's hands. Although Costacurta looked like he wanted to bite his head off.
Maldini holds head up high Wednesday 25 May, 2005
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Paolo Maldini maintains Milan should be proud of their performance, while Hernan Crespo thought the first half was too good to be true.
“The Champions’ League was our primary objective for this season, so to lose it like this is incredibly painful,” said the captain who opened the scoring after just 57 seconds.
“In any case, we had a great campaign and cannot complain about our performance. We leave this Final with our heads held high.”
Maldini was seen shaking his head in amazement during Liverpool’s celebrations, having somehow thrown away a 3-0 first half lead in the space of six minutes.
“Many little things went wrong and now we are here commenting on an undeserved defeat. Even after they came back to draw 3-3 we had plenty of scoring opportunities. If I remember that double save on Shevchenko then it gives me goosebumps.”
The veteran was able to make his seventh Champions’ League Final appearance, though he has only won four trophies.
“We reacted well and played better than Liverpool, while I thought the Premiership side was rather lacklustre on a fitness level,” continued Maldini. “We won’t give in, but this is a bitter pill to swallow. I am sure this match will come back into my mind a lot over the years. Even the memory of scoring the goal has been ruined as it was for nothing.”
Hernan Crespo had bagged a brace during a perfect first half performance from the Rossoneri and admits it was all going too well.
“It was too good to be true,” said the Argentine. “I still can’t quite believe that in football these things can happen, but we’ll try again next year. Liverpool managed a remarkable recovery and Dudek’s two saves on Sheva were just incredible. Hopefully we can put all this behind us with the summer holidays coming up.”
Diego Armando Maradona was in Istanbul to commentate on the match for Sky Italia and was disappointed with the outcome.
“As with everyone who has played in Italian football, I thought that on 3-0 there was no way on this earth they could get back into it. Milan always played and Shevchenko had the chance to win it at the death. I’ve seen some comebacks in this sport, but never when faced with such clear superiority as Milan showed in the first half.”
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Being trophyless hurts me the most. i didn even care wen we lost to juve cuz i never even wanted to think wut wud happen if we lost to liverpool. I alwais thought that we wud win the cl for sure, now we might end up with less trophies then inter
Being trophyless hurts me the most. i didn even care wen we lost to juve cuz i never even wanted to think wut wud happen if we lost to liverpool. I alwais thought that we wud win the cl for sure, now we might end up with less trophies then inter
who cares about inter. the coppa italia means nothing.
roy_lo81
25-05-2005, 19:32
Very disappointed, feel very sad about this.
We end this season winning nothing.
This is football, you can lose even when you play better.
The team need our support in this situation.
We will be back next season..
Forza Milan!
It is ok we didn't any trophy this season (technically we did win one: Italian Super cup), we are MILAN, we are the champions. This past season was disappointing, but I am proud of our team.
kenny_shev
25-05-2005, 20:47
I am not sure with Crepo's comment 'We leave this Final with our heads held high.” NOBODY held their heads high after throwing away such a comfortable lead and losing the game in such a way. Right now, the morale of the team is definitely at a record low. This is, now, not the time to blame or bash on any single individual-players & coach alike. We win as a team. WE LOSE AS A TEAM.
Just as shocked, sad and disppointed as all of you are, I believe, however, we must move forward. I will eagerly await a new positive season.
ACMILAN1983
25-05-2005, 20:58
Well, I've kind of snapped out of the depression now and am trying to understand what needs to be changed atm. In another thread about this I posted the main problem I think we've had in the cup this year. So I'll just copy and paste that post here....
I do think attitude was the problem, but I can't say it was due to overconfidence. In fact, to me it seemed more a lack of confidence.
I hate to say it, but since previous encounters, of which the Depor match is at the helm, the players seem to lose confidence if a team has a slight hope of getting back into a match in which we are dominating.
The final was no difference, Gerrard was left unmarked for the first goal. At this point, the players should have composed themselves, taken note of the situation and realised that Liverpool would attempt to apply great pressure. Instead, it seemed the players went into a state of panic and lost control of not only the game and possession, but also tactical awareness and positioning, which allowed Liverpool space in front of our defence. Then, once Liverpool level things up, the players were put under so much pressure that they were forced to attempt to dominate the match and control precedings, which they once again began to do, stopping Liverpool completely.
To deal with this problem, firstly the players must at all times make sure that there are never any lapses in concentration in the side. If the opposition score, then the side must regain its composure and shape as soon as they kick off, to prevent the opposition from taking advantage of our vunerability at the time.
I think the most important element needed above all atm in this Milan squad is growth in confidence and mentality to deal with pressure. Since Depor, we seem to have gotten weaker at dealing with such problems, which results in us struggling against pressure.
I think the problem we have is a lack of hunger. I doubt there is a team in the World today that has players who have won as many major titles as we have - European Cups, UEFA Cups, league championships and World Cups. I didn't see any player shed a tear after the final whistle, as if losing didn't really hurt and it should have. I think the team is spoiled on success and we need some new personal to inject some hunger and some desire. If we get all out targets i.e. Gilardino, Oddo and Jankulovski there is no reason why we cannot win the double next season. It's time to spend money again.
I think the problem we have is a lack of hunger. I doubt there is a team in the World today that has players who have won as many major titles as we have - European Cups, UEFA Cups, league championships and World Cups. I didn't see any player shed a tear after the final whistle, as if losing didn't really hurt and it should have. I think the team is spoiled on success and we need some new personal to inject some hunger and some desire. If we get all out targets i.e. Gilardino, Oddo and Jankulovski there is no reason why we cannot win the double next season. It's time to spend money again.
I don't think you are being fair. :rollani:
the players did shed tears. in fact maldini had to coax the players to stay on the field to salute the travelling milan fans and accept the silver medals, as they were just going to go into the dressing room without participating in the runners-up medal ceremony. yes, they were depressed.
want to see pics?
http://www.raisport.rai.it/raiSportSezioneIndex/0,5785,_78_61_10359,00.html
last three games for milan were all draws after leading the game!
3-3 Liverpool
3-3 Palermo
2-2 Lecce
last three games for milan were all draws after leading the game!
3-3 Liverpool
3-3 Palermo
2-2 Lecce
sadly, we were leading 1 goal, 2 goals, and 3 goals in Lecce, Palermo, Liverpool games.
right now, i am just jealous of liverpool. i admit , it is childish but i am jealous. i hate them now :P
Join the club, my friend. :(
Nadir,
"Inter are now a side with no future. They will never be as good as Milan." - Inter Midfileder Emre
There is a typo in your signature. See how nice I am to you? Shame on you trying to pull a "jure" on me. ;)
Sorry, I just feel lonely and hurt and lost and bored right now. :(
heidi azalea
25-05-2005, 23:16
Few points to make: quotes
“Maldini told us to wait on the pitch and go to salute the travelling fans,” revealed Shevchenko. “These are strange nights, as we managed to throw away a 3-0 lead and still couldn’t seal it despite having the opportunities to do so. It hurts to miss the decisive penalty, too.”
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Bravo Maldini.
yeah, I agree with Paolo....Bravo !!!!
Strange night, it's a night when all the things against us !
Luckily I didn't watched it on a restaurant with majority of Scousers inside.
But I decided to watch it in hotel room, where my friend stayed.
At least I was not add anything to humilations. Since 2-3 days before CL match, some person I knew at my place started jeered on Milan.
For the 2nd time I got deeply hurt ( 1st time in Riazor ), becuz I'm a Milanista who took everything casually and with less feelings compare to other Milanisti, and this odd night like a dagger in every Milanisti's hearts.
It's really get hurt when you, as a Milanista, watched ESPN which more biased to Liverpool side. I prefer TV3 Malaysia as a channel to watch, since the commentators tend to be more neutral, more fair and square. Tho visual quality were not good as ESPN.
I must admit bitterly that at 1st half, it's amazing, superb and having a momentum that even a witty P-I-G-G-Y, if got that kinda momentum, might flying high, but we started to be disoriented in 2nd half and back in form at extra time. And got slashed in penalty-shootout. I realized this weakness since our lost in Eindhoven.
But players are human too. Made mistakes, admit it and learn from it. I don't want Milan fans/supporters become what happened to L'Olympique Marseille when Robert Pires played there- most supporters made players' life like in hell. And motivated him to leave LOM for Arsenal.
We're get hurt and IMO players tried to be persistent.
To those who was dissapointed with Milan performance tonight and to find out that we're trophyless, and found out that no sadness in players' faces, Plz rethink back.
At first, I was also angry, sad...but then.... it's gone away becuz thinking of this :
Since 1988, I got a spiritual bond with AC Milan, but making my vows to Rossonera only on 1994 since there many confusions, obtacles and whatever. In 1988, when I saw AC Milan name on newspaper, My heart skipped a beat. Bounced to height of emotions that undescribed by words.
I took my vows in 1994, since that experiencing the highest of highs, and the lowest of lows in more powerful meaning. It's blissful, it's magical.....
It's magical marriage, and for 11 years I enjoy this marriage very much. The strong bond which not caring abt having or no glorious title at all. Honesty is everything. There're no other club like AC Milan in my heart. Tho I tried to switch to Juve, Parma, ( and surprisingly )Inter or many Italian clubs becuz I love some players. Somehow, my honest and more mature heart, my instict finally brought me back to AC Milan. I was so brave to take the decision for making a vows. And no regret !
To a true Milan fan, trophiless season just a little matter. IMO, it's a testing time for self-acceptence and self-learning. Of course your maturity too ...to overcomes all role playing, ego, pride, and superficiality. Either you and Milan are meant to be or just a bandwagon/gloryhunter... 11 years, like a gap between Maldini's goal in European competition by Milan is good enuff for a Milan fan to evaluate him/herself.
We learns ! And I hope Milan will be better next season !
aedelaide
25-05-2005, 23:34
[QUOTE=heidi azalea][COLOR=deepPink]
It's really get hurt when you, as a Milanista, watched ESPN which more biased to Liverpool side. I prefer TV3 Malaysia as a channel to watch, since the commentators tend to be more neutral, more fair and square. Tho visual quality were not good as ESPN.
of cos they r.. they'll gain nothing if either they bias to liverpool or milan... so dats y they r more neutral. but what if you watch kedah vs slangor (m'sian team)... bias will b ther... he heh he...
btw... i m a new forumer here. diz is my 1st posting.. plz 4give me if i make mistakes! tq
vickirin
25-05-2005, 23:49
All I have to say is that the lads are champions in my heart this is a family and we stick together. Sure it hurts a lot but I guess we'll never feel the pain of these great players that fought on the pitch and sadly lost.
We'll bounce back :D
Il vero amore non si spegne mai!!!
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sehnsucht79
26-05-2005, 00:38
See? Time heals everything :D
I dont know... sometimes I feel that the fact that Carlo recycles the team for the whole season is partly to blame. I am not blaming Carlo directly but as the season stretches at times Milan just looks so ... tired. They cant focus for a full 90 mins in the game.
Galliani confirmed Ancelloti stays.
That is good news, I hope Silvio agrees with that and don´t change the decission next week or so. Hopefully he will buy some new forwards until next season.
Grande Paolo!! :v408: :respect: :heart:
I have to say, that I agree with both Carlo and Paolo in their statements made after the game (both been posted here in this forum)
I am proud of the lads, they showed that we are the better team.
a little note, we scored more and created more chances against Liverpool in ONE game than Juve and Chelsea managed to do in FOUR games. :)
Sorry ladies and gents, but I'm gonna put this bluntly and as honestly as I can. Milan choked. Choked like Van de Velde on the 18th at Carnoustie. The first fifteen minutes of the second half was just something out of an incredibly bad movie. Has anyone in this forum seen the "The Hustler"? The first half hour when Fast Eddie is kicking Minnesota Fats' butt out of $25,000 after 25 hours of straight pool? Only to lose it all because of his arrogance? I dunno, I stumbled upon this great film after fidgeting all night last night. Watching that movie definitely was an omen I should've made a note of. If only I had changed the channel and watched something else, who knows, maybe the result would've been different. But anyway, I earlier posted some nonsense saying "we need to keep the faith", yadda, yadda, yadda...but after watching this debacle a second time I'm not sad, depressed, disappointed, I'm furious. What is it with this team? Either we're incredibly arrogant or incredibly selfish from one man to the next, refusing to take responsibility for what's going on in a particular moment and waiting for someone else to step up and dsomething. I don't understand, WHY DOES THIS TEAM REFUSE TO THRUST THE DAGGER IN DEEPER?!?! WHY DO THEY PLAY NOT TO LOSE? You know, the first time in the Riazor, okay, no problem. I believed they had what it took to overcome that. But to let it happen again on the biggest stage at the worst possible time? This is ridiculously inexcusable. This has happened once too many times for me. So I say, Yes, sack Carlo. Let him go to Roma. Replace him with who? Tasotti. Or someone who won't coddle the players too much. Someone who can push buttons when need be, someone who can be a son-of-a-***** one moment and then a total sweetheart the next. Someone, anyone, mentally strong. Someone with some fire in the belly who can take charge. Carlo doesn't have that and he didn't demostrate that last night. Oh yes, he's a fantastic tactician for the most part (except tonight and in other instances) but he's not a very good babysitter. The players we have require a slave driver whether they like it or not. They have all the talent in the world and they're handsome and they're all that with a bag chips and I love 'em to death, but we need a manager with some testicles and some real leadership qualities, folks. The players need to have the fear of death in them each and every time they suit up. And that fear has to come from the manager. This is the only way I see us getting over this Depor disease. This disease of giving up big leads has happened under Carlo too many times in his career. Disagree? Let's go.
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to all milan fans ignore the above inter comment, thats just someone who gets pleasure out of people losing cause his team cant win anything. anyway onto my thoughts...
i think we were unlucky but thats football , our first half was perfect and that was the problem too good to be true so we thought we had already won , u can only blame the players and coaches to an extent, most milan supporters would of been thinking we won it so as if the players would of been worried about loser, hunger was there as u cant go 3-0 up without hunger HOWEVER as many others have mentioned milan need to learn to stop momentum as we have lost leads all too easy .. maybe it has to do with some of the players bodies our squad is old! we need youth at the back ! anyway . liverpool just pushed and got it! i was so angry, upset and in shocked but now 10 hrs later i feel like i love the club more and cant wait for next season. the coach should be kept if he has the desire to get revenge and win the champions league again and serie a . i think we need a few new players to keep the hunger within the squad. we must get rid of thomasson as he is not a quality player and inzaghi needs to go , any other player who gets inj every 2 weeks for 2 yrs straight would of been sold. We must learn from this and depor and move foward! and thats football and the beauty is there is always next season. We are lucky we have a team and club who can push for this every few years clubs like liverpool will prob not win the league for another 20 yrs who knows! i leave on sheva's great quote
"destiny gives a lot and takes a lot"
forza milan seeya next year !!
p.s sign up to http://www.fbtz.com/forum/ to download and share milan games next season!
How the hell we could lose in that way ?? It looked like it is over after the first half but very sadly we threw away a three goal lead in the space of six minutes and couldn't snatch a winner even though we came close . This season will always be remembered as we were unanimous favourites to win both the Scudetto and the CL and ended up empty handed . I have to say that our first half performance was one of our best ever but sorrily we blew everything . Full credit to Liverpool and their great coach Benitez who led them to glory with a squad short in quality compared to us . Steven Gerard performance was miracolous yesterday defensively and offensively and we should do everything to lure that player away from them . I am so sad for our legendary capitano Maldini who scored a wonderful goal on the volley but still couldn't lift the trophy . Anyway we should look forward for next season . FORZA MILAN .
When we were having 3-0, I felt pity for Liverpool. I didn't know that the wheel was turning exactly in those moments...
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the biggest sporting disappointment that i would have ever experienced in my lifetime! i cant see a bigger football's tragedy than this! i feel that the players gave liverpool chance to come back. why the hell was noone marking gerrard and smicer for the goals! also, the amount of bad luck in one match were just too much.
milan will always be my team, but this defeat makes me does not care too much about future's result anymore.. i love the team no matter what. i feel sorry for kaka and crespo who gave fantastic performance only to be let down by the team! i have never seen milan play a better passing game in the first half and that through ball from kaka to crespo was just the best that i have ever seen.
Firstly I'm still in shock from last night, so I'm probably not seeing everything I should, but I can't believe no-one has mentioned some of the decisions that went against us last night. I'm certainly not trying to take anything away from Liverpool, who have battled against the odds throughout this season, but they certainly seemed to get the decisions in their favour....
1) Gerard blatantly dived for the penalty for the 3rd goal. I was watching the game with 3 Liverpool fans and they all said he'd dived even before the TV replays. Why did no-one, especially the commentators here in the UK, pick up on it?
2) When Kaka got taken out by Hypia (I think, although it may have been Carragher) early in the 2nd half, he was going past the last man and would only have had Dudek to beat. Surely if the referee gives a free-kick (which he did) he has to send him off? From what I can remember he didn't even book him! Yet when Gerard got his penalty, all the commentators were calling for Rino to get sent off...
3) For Pirlo's penalty, Dudek was so far off his line, he was actually outside his 6-yard box when Andrea hit it. Why did the referee and linesmen not spot this?
Again, I'm not trying to take away from Liverpools win, and I thought Dudek was amazing for them in the penalty shoot-out. Our players need to look at themselves for letting a 3 goal lead slip, but the above points do need to be addressed.
thats true i was watching the highlights and id like to add some points:
4) liverpools second goal scored by smicer should have been canceled because if you look at it carefull youll see that baros and another liverpool player were offside when he took it and infact baros touched it on its way (with his hand to be accurate) and even the linesman noticed this yet the referee ignored him. that same linesman called so many bad calls against us throughout the match and that idiot of a ref kept butt kissing him, why didnt he do that during that inccident?
4) some may argue with me on this but i think shevas goal shouldve stood, it looked fine to me but maybe im being biased, yet im sure they would wave play on around 75% of the time had it not been a final...
I am still very frustrated can't help it. Everybody is laughing with Milan, and after 1ste half we were just the kings of europe ... I think some of our players have mental problems after depor ... When a team strikes 1 back, it's like some of our players are afraid and start getting nervous ... unbelieveable, 3 goals in 7 mins ... A team like Milan should NEVER allow that !! This is really a big dissapointment, even bigger then riazor ...
jdt scored the penalty.
jdt scored against PSV.
JDT scored against palermo.
why are you blaming jdt for losing this game? is it his fault?
he had a perfectly good opportunity to seal off the match and he looked like a rookie the way he fell down... even if he got his foot to the ball which was possible his shoe angle was wrong...
i was sooooo sad that i was the last person to leave the bar and i was forced to, i couldnt even look at the screen after sheva missed the penalty... these last 2 days have been the worst in my entire life!
This is tottal crap!!! You simoly cant waste 3 goal lead in champions league final!!!! And all this talk about pippo just so he could put JDT in. He cant score!!! CANT SCORE!!!
As Maradona said : " when u are 3 goals up, it has to be over! ". And carlo says we were good,we were, but we lost it damn it!!! Inter was also playing good against us!!
We played all that crosses and liverpool has really tall defenders, great plan!!!! It ws red card on kaka when hypia fouled him!! Im so iritated when carlo says or berlusconi say we played well....we did but f....k it when you loose a 3 goal lead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We just cant defend it seems.....
Black Jack
26-05-2005, 06:49
Congrats on a final well played. Extremely unlucky to lose to us and just remember that You Will Never Walk Alone.
You guys played one of the best 1st halves ever and to be honest, you guys did not play badly in the 2nd half either so please do give some credit to Liverpool in the 2nd half for playing so well to fight back.
Dudek has unusually become our hero but the men of the match for me had to be Hamann and Hyppia. Hyppia as he was solid as a rock and winning headers both in our own box and Milan's too during corners. Hamann as he managed to mark out Kaka and really did what he does best.
For Milan, it would be Kaka and Sheva for me. Kaka in the 1st half destroyed us and Sheva was a constant thorn in our side.
Last night was the greatest night of my life and feel for you boys too. Hopefully we will meet again next year in the Final again. I applaud your team and wish you all the best of luck for next year.
ACMILAN1983
26-05-2005, 06:59
I am still very frustrated can't help it. Everybody is laughing with Milan, and after 1ste half we were just the kings of europe ... I think some of our players have mental problems after depor ... When a team strikes 1 back, it's like some of our players are afraid and start getting nervous ... unbelieveable, 3 goals in 7 mins ... A team like Milan should NEVER allow that !! This is really a big dissapointment, even bigger then riazor ...
I definately agree as my last post said. We MUST sort this issue out before next season.
If you ask me, as far as buying players go, not too many changes are needed, instead the mental issues must be sorted out.
Thanks for complimenting our performance Black Jack, congratulations to your side.
trust me we wont meet again next year cuz liverpool isnt going to b in cl.
they deserve to be and probably will
Congrats on a final well played. Extremely unlucky to lose to us and just remember that You Will Never Walk Alone.
You guys played one of the best 1st halves ever and to be honest, you guys did not play badly in the 2nd half either so please do give some credit to Liverpool in the 2nd half for playing so well to fight back.
Dudek has unusually become our hero but the men of the match for me had to be Hamann and Hyppia. Hyppia as he was solid as a rock and winning headers both in our own box and Milan's too during corners. Hamann as he managed to mark out Kaka and really did what he does best.
For Milan, it would be Kaka and Sheva for me. Kaka in the 1st half destroyed us and Sheva was a constant thorn in our side.
Last night was the greatest night of my life and feel for you boys too. Hopefully we will meet again next year in the Final again. I applaud your team and wish you all the best of luck for next year.
thanks ... but i think gerrard played the game of his life, he played at RB and its not easy to stop serginho, yet he did it more than once...
i tihnk our best player was pirlo, he just tormented your team throughout the match, then comes kaka with some amazing passes although i tihnk at times he shouldve shot, crespo had a great game and i hope he stays, i think maldini could be in there as well, his goal was pure class and throughout the match he ran up and down and fought with determination more than anyone else on the pitch
Egyptian Prince
26-05-2005, 08:05
yep Pirlo was the best among all and also Maldini was too great when he convinced them to take their medals.
i also hope that Crespo stay he is a very great striker one of the best among the world.
zlatanov
26-05-2005, 08:19
he had a perfectly good opportunity to seal off the match
Sheva had an even better one but still missed it ... not to mention the totally amateurish penalty he took, unlike JDT who scored his in a very professional way. Should we get rid of Sheva too? One thing's or sure - Chelsea would love to talk contract with him.
Congrats on a final well played. Extremely unlucky to lose to us and just remember that You Will Never Walk Alone.
You guys played one of the best 1st halves ever and to be honest, you guys did not play badly in the 2nd half either so please do give some credit to Liverpool in the 2nd half for playing so well to fight back.
Dudek has unusually become our hero but the men of the match for me had to be Hamann and Hyppia. Hyppia as he was solid as a rock and winning headers both in our own box and Milan's too during corners. Hamann as he managed to mark out Kaka and really did what he does best.
For Milan, it would be Kaka and Sheva for me. Kaka in the 1st half destroyed us and Sheva was a constant thorn in our side.
Last night was the greatest night of my life and feel for you boys too. Hopefully we will meet again next year in the Final again. I applaud your team and wish you all the best of luck for next year.
liverpool may not be allowed to defend the cup..which i find strange. i don't give credit to liverpool for fighting back because Milan just let you guys get back into the game. If MIlan continued playing like in the first half, Liverpool had no prayer of a chance. oh well...some teams get lucky. liverpool will not win this cup again in the next 10 years or so.
:u56: : Just figured Im the only one smiling in the forum right now....might as well "celebrate"
and you are celebrating the fact that Inter will never be as good as Milan, will never make a Champions League final, will only dream of winning a scudetto within the next 20 years, or dream of being in 2 finals in 3 years in the CL, and that the biggest cup you can hope to win in the last ten years is the Coppa Italia? Yah... inter fans should totally celebrate lol.
your post reminds of a story where a pauper was laughing at a rich man because the rich man tripped on a rock. the rich man can still get up and walk off and remain rich whereas the pauper still remains poor :)
in the prolongations, L'pool played old fashion italian catenaccio. They relied on the pen's, Milan should have believed more in victory then. Why not change Gattuso for Rui Costa (or other player) sooner then ? L'pool didn't even try to go forward in the prolongations ... It's simple, the best team lost, but if you give away a 3-goal lead so easily ... like i've already said, i think some players are still mentally not good in some situations, after the Depor-disaster ... It is not normal that Milan that is 3-0 ahead gives away the victory ...
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