View Full Version : AC Milan vs Juventus (game & post-game comments)
MILAN: Dida; Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini; Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf; Kaka; Shevchenko, Tomasson.
JUVENTUS: Buffon; Pessotto, Thuram, Cannavaro, Zambrotta; Camoranesi, Emerson, Appiah, Nedved; Del Piero, Trezeguet.
FORZA MILAN!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:09
lets OwN them
How does it look??
Have we improved since the last game (against PSV) ??
:)
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:17
apparently milan want to control the game, keep the ball.
a good thing, when milan holds the ball they always make use of it!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:19
sheva's been in offside twice now, milan have got one shot on goal, juve have only had one attack, del piero stopped by STAM
keep us updated, at least until the end of formula 1 :)
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:23
nothing much going on right now, just tactics.........
no ones dominating yet................
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:25
sheva close to scoring, buffon does a good job.
stam tries from a 30meter freekick
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:25
still a slo game but so far we are doing ok
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:27
not many ppl seem to be online during this game
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:29
Trez scored a Goal
Sorry i'm so nervous i can't write anything.. :p146:
28' AC Milan 0 - 0 Juventus
Seems like all our friends went to live show except we ppl waiting for the su**king F1
Trez scored a Goal
Oh please no!!
How did it happen??
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:32
the defence has been cought off guard then came the goal from a header 29'
Calm down boys! We'll come back!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:34
dam del piero skined our defence. we dont look good people. we need a spark.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:35
lets hope so,
is anyone seeing the match live on tv? if so, who's dominating?
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:36
Calm down boys! We'll come back!
that's right even thu we play with 10 players so far (JDT is invisible!!) I am sure we wont give in(I have a feeling that Inzaghi will make the defrence if he would play)
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:37
i hear we are having physical difficulties
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:37
lets hope so,
is anyone seeing the match live on tv? if so, who's dominating?
it's pretty even now with a slight advantage for us
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:38
lets hope so,
is anyone seeing the match live on tv? if so, who's dominating?
i am watching it and juve is dominating it. we just dont look at all likely to score. ill be happy if its just 1-0 at half time so we can regroup.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:39
it's pretty even now with a slight advantage for us
good,
now we just need to raise the tempo, and give sheva those balls
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:40
this suX,
i hear that juve are playing in their best style,
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:41
good,
now we just need to raise the tempo, and give sheva those balls
juventus always have at least 2 men on him. it will not be as easy as you think.
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:41
Crespo should have played really...there is no Tommason!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:42
del peiro seems to be in form today
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:43
lets hope berlusconi goes down to the dressing room at halfTime: he should talk some sense into the players and carlo
Snapster
08-05-2005, 08:44
i hear we are having physical difficulties
I hope not! That was Ancelotti's excuse for the 'energy-saving' tactics vs PSV; Saving energy for what? Pre-Season? This is the most important game of the season, we must not lose.
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:44
the players still look tired players like Dhorasoo and crespo should play....still we are trying to creat a chance 43'
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:45
seedorf just wasted a very good opportunity by sending the ball wide instead of providing a cross.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:46
we are raising ourselves,
playing better now,
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:47
we are starting to take the game to the juve half, but we havent gotten a good chance so far.
maldini020
08-05-2005, 08:47
i watch the game live! kaka. pirlo, seedorf, tomasson plays ****!!! disappoting first half
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:47
The end of first half
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:48
HALF TIME!!! now take tomasson off. crespo heck even inzaghi would play better.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:48
CHANGE TOMASSON!!!!
either we insert inzaghi- or crespo....... i mean he was rested vs. fiorentina&psv
If Milan don't win this game Juve will win Scudetto... :(
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:52
If Milan don't win this game Juve will win Scudetto... :(
that implies that we have to win this ****ing game!!!!!!!!
and i hope we do win it
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:52
NOOOO i want the double!!!!! i have never witnessed a milan double as a milan fan. i have seen us wining the scudetto and the CL but if we win em both this will be the greatest milan season of my life up till now.
COME ON MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:54
ac_milan_foreva,
i agree
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:55
i still have faith. i know sheva and pirlo and everyone will step it up.
Tomasson just doesnt seem to care. we need to take him off. im not sure if his future here is bright. and crespo hasnte been sparkling lately either. WE NEED GILA FOR NEXT SEASON. but for now crespo would work but if sheva gets support and he just needs 1 chance to turn the game around in our favor.
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 08:56
IMO Nesta is to blame for the goal...he made a rekless tacle in the middle of our half, this is not his role
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:56
i wonder what carlo is saying to them now...
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 08:57
milan better play the awesomly in the secong half...........
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 08:58
however the fans are booing as this isnt what we should see. Our team needs support now more then ever.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:00
we just must win
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:00
Right I missed the first half :mad:
But will aim to start catching up in the second!
I see we're not doing too well, but a lot can still change! COME ON MILAN!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:03
a draw could be acceptable to a certain extent.........
but in the following 3 matches juve have an advantage..........
so we must get a 3 point lead
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:03
ok its about to start. im about to start watching. Lets hope i see some good football about milan.
im not mad that we are 1-0 down but that we are not getting any good chances.
lets hope that we really arent that tired and that we have the energy to play a very good 2nd half.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:03
Second half is about to begin!
COME ON GUYS, hunt the zebras down!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :firedev:
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:04
serginho comes on...
pirlo comes off ???? wtf
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:04
I hope to see Serginho,Crespo or Inzaghi and Dhorasoo today....Seedorf is tired and especially Tommason is not there!!...the second half is about to start and Serginho is in for Pirlo
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:04
serginho comes in for pirlo
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:05
Serginho in for Pirlo!!!
COME ON MILAN!!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:06
seedorf is sometimes considered a panther........... lets see him show his predator isntinct- and kill the zebras
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:06
Did I see our third keeper warming up???
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:07
carletto, this is bvll****!!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:07
Did I see our third keeper warming up???
i saw inzaghi warm up...
Snapster
08-05-2005, 09:08
Are we playing any better yet? :p1510:
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:08
Kaka and Sheva attack! but Juve defend well. We're just going for broke by the sounds of it!
Maldini crosses!!! Sheva can't get it!
We have possession again!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:08
inzaghi's warming up!!
we are playing a 3man defence.............. like we did vs. fiorentina
Lombardia
08-05-2005, 09:08
i can under4stand that sub, pirlo, not been so good in recent times, and bring on serginho, who can attack down the wings and put good crosses in, hopefully
Lancelot
08-05-2005, 09:08
mates plz inform us, as here in Greece we dont have picture:(
Why he put out Pirlo, he wasnt playing good?
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:09
Are we playing any better yet? :p1510:
nope.
as for the 3rd keeper maybe he is coming on for tomasson!! he would do a better job.
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:09
i saw inzaghi warm up...
I think he had a new hair cut :)
good start so far..FORZA MILAAAAAAAAAN
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:09
I think Zambrotta fouled Cafu! We have a freekick!
COME ON MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:10
we are playing better now
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:11
WE COME CLOSE NESTA AND CAFU!!!
We're really pushing Juve here!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lombardia
08-05-2005, 09:11
i'd also like to see dhorasso -gattuso and inzaghi-tomasson:D
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:11
we have a new spirit now guys
Snapster
08-05-2005, 09:11
Come on!!! Forza Milan!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:11
CAFU good chance!!! ball fell to him and he took a shot from right side. we are looking better.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:12
i hope our two total brasilian wings thrash down juve
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:14
WTF. serginho waas runing down the left flank and he tripped. :( he just lost his footing. and it was a chance opening up too.
Snapster
08-05-2005, 09:14
i hope our two total brasilian wings thrash down juve
Or the little magician through the middle! :)
Actually, anyone!
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:14
Inzaghiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii In
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:14
inzaghi for tomasson
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:15
SuperPippo for JDT!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:15
FINALLY TOMASSON COMES OFF.
inzaghi is on.
y not crespo?
anyway i think inzaghi will bring more to the team.
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:16
what a chance for Inzaghi
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:16
Inzaghi Just Missed Our Best Chance Ever.
inzaghi missed a great chance.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:17
WHAT chance `?????
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:17
Buffon saves from Pippo after Sheva set him up!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:17
FINALLY TOMASSON COMES OFF.
inzaghi is on.
y not crespo?
anyway i think inzaghi will bring more to the team.
I think carlo wants to destroy crespo for chealse after since they want him back :ilol:
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:17
HE HAD TO PUT THAT AWAY. he is a striker and that is his job.
some good news tho as camoranesi seems hurt :)
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:17
100% chance missed
Lombardia
08-05-2005, 09:18
pippo is the man, to undo this juvemerda defence, we'll need his movement, for crespo the team needs to create a chance for him, thats why we've got him instead.
that was a wonderful cross from sheva, and for one moment, i thought the ball must have gone in.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:18
actually atleast we got a great chance...........
look at it positively
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:18
Camoranesi is Ko'ed?
SHEVA COMES CLOSE!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:19
Birindelli for Camo
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lombardia
08-05-2005, 09:20
IF we score we'll win, we just need that 1 goal, come on milan!!
camoranesi seems to be injured. collini is talking to maldini. :D sheva tried a shot with a atight angle. no use. :)
Camoranesi off for injury. :d55:
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:20
no im feeling more confident.......
just look at it the way Hiddink(psv coach) did,
doesnt matter when we score our goal, as long as we have enough time to score one afterwards
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:20
we have more then 30 minutes to go. still plenty of time. we are looking well.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:21
Emerson looked dangerous
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:21
emerson came close
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:22
the pasta i just ate was soo good.......
hope the inspiration it gave me can be transfered to the milan players
we have more then 30 minutes to go. still plenty of time. we are looking well.
Really, did the second half start late?
We need to score, not come just close!! :devil:
Come on, score!!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:23
yeah our defence was sleeping again...
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:24
Really, did the second half start late?
We need to score, not come just close!! :devil:
Come on, score!!
well no but it was the 15 minute of the second half so there were 30 minutes to go plus added time. now its the 20th minute of the 2nd half.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:24
capello wants to cancel out serginho with birindelli,
wrong player, birindelli is such a novice
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:24
Del Piero comes close!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:25
our defence looks very bad, a header on the post from juve
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:25
juve just hit the bar. OMG WTF IS OUR DEFENCE DOING. it was gona be all over.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:25
Rui in for Seedorf!
We've played all our cards!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:26
C'mon milan, lets take these biatches on
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:27
noooooooo sheva missed a header alone from the goal
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:27
Sheva Missed a great chance
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:27
Pippo almost through!!!
Sheva misses a good chance!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:27
SHEVA SHOULD HAVE SCORED!!!! HE HAD A CLEAR HEADER ON GOAL and he blasted it wide. that should have been 1-1
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:28
our defence is acting poorly,
very bad.....
with rui in, we can pass the ball better. sorta like pirlo- but in better form
Snapster
08-05-2005, 09:28
Come on luck, after all those 85+ min goals you've given Juve. AC deserve something!!!!
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:29
we scored a lot at stoppage time this season...we still have time
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:30
i just saw a glimpse of berlusconi and let me tell u something.. i wouldnt want to be ancelotti.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:30
Emerson gets yellow card!
We're really pushing now!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:31
we scored a lot at stoppage time this season...we still have time
there is still 20 minutes to go.... not time for stoppage time winnter yet. lets score 1 now.
Lancelot
08-05-2005, 09:33
i just saw a glimpse of berlusconi and let me tell u something.. i wouldnt want to be ancelotti.
If we loose, there will be no Carlo in Milan...this is sure...
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:33
Cafu crosses!!! Thuram there!!! WE LOSE OUR CHANCE!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:34
****ing Colina. Clear Penalty On Cafu And Nothing. **** Him
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:34
a clear penelty for wasnt given for us....bad sign
Fox@Mulder
08-05-2005, 09:35
If we loose, there will be no Carlo in Milan...this is sure...
NONSENSE !!! What a pile off bull**** to come out with....
He has given us every trophy there is to win for the past two seasons and hopefully weŽll at least win the CL again this year.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:35
PENALTY SHOUTS!!!!!! Cafu fouled by Zambrotta but Collina says no!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lancelot
08-05-2005, 09:36
NONSENSE !!! What a pile off bull**** to come out with....
He has given us every trophy there is to win for the past two seasons and hopefully weŽll at least win the CL again this year.
Your opinion mate...:)
Anyway, not mess in this thread...
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:36
we have to score a goal now, and then a late winner...........
or win in anyWay possible
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:37
the way things are going we will at least get 2-3 chances before this game is over.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:37
Zalayeta in for Trezeguet!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:38
Nedved comes close!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:38
Zalayeta in for Trezeguet!
what are we supposed to think about this change?
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:39
hand ball against cannavaro!!!....WHATS WITH THIS ****ING COLLINA???!!!
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:39
Zalayeta in for Trezeguet!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
appiah comes off blasi comes on.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:40
Cafu's shot also stopped by Cannavaro's hand!! :mad:
Blasi in for Appiah
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:40
blasi suks,
this is awesome
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:41
collina has gone to the darkside............
the boys will score, relax guys
Fox@Mulder
08-05-2005, 09:41
hand ball against cannavaro!!!....WHATS WITH THIS ****ING COLLINA???!!!
replays show it hit his back - nothing to come after there.....
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:41
oh man we play so good now! rui costa is brilliant! FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE NEED GOAL!!!!
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:41
Thuram has to go off for an injury from blocking a shot!
COME ON MILAN!
with Zalayeta they'll try and pressure us more in our deep areas as he works harder than Trez
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:42
the milan fans at the stadium should start cheering as loud as hell now
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:43
All I Have To Say Is:
**** **** **** **** **** Booooo
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:43
so they have no to play with an injured player?
this is going to our favour..
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:44
Cross For Pippo!!! No Goal!!
Forza Milan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maldini020
08-05-2005, 09:45
maldini has a totally weak match today
Snapster
08-05-2005, 09:46
If we don't score Ancelotti might as well bench the whole first eleven till the CL final if they are so f'ing tired that they can't get out of bed.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:46
its only like 3 minutes + extra time left,
this is over
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:46
GOOOOOOOALLLL
sheva!!!!!
just joking :(
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:47
2 mins left....not good
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:47
nothing to joke about
GOOOOOOOALLLL
sheva!!!!!
just joking :(
Not funny at all. dude. don't do that again.
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:48
Rui tries to pass through to Sheva, its intercepted.
then Serginho, blocked!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:49
bye bye scudetto..........
Fox@Mulder
08-05-2005, 09:49
GOOOOOOOALLLL
sheva!!!!!
just joking :(
Burn in hell you frecking morron !!!
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:49
crespo should have started instead of JDT....that cost us time and a sub
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:50
5 extra minutes,
maybe we can snatch a draw
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:50
5 mins added time!!
We attack with Sheva!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:51
btw, livorno-siena: 3-6
5 last minutes. i wonder what happened to crespo.
now it is 4 minutes left.
We lost it's all over :broken:
We lost it's all over :broken:
Keep your chin up, dude. It is never over until it is over.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:53
its over....
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:53
Blasi yellow!
Serginho swings one in, its dealt with!
COME ON MILAN!!!!!!!!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:53
serginho our best player
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:54
lets hope juve muck up in their next 3 matches
ACMILAN1983
08-05-2005, 09:55
SHEVA HAS A HEADER OFF THE LINE!!!!!!!
DAMN!!! WE LOSE!!!
The league isn't over yet!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MARA*10*DONA
08-05-2005, 09:55
the end of the match....the scuditto is away but still not impossible......take it easy
its not over yet, the player need to pick themselves up!
Keep your chin up, dude. It is never over until it is over.
Shevaaaa...NO!!!
Now it is!!! :(
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:56
****!!!! damn. well im out i dont feel like talking, reading or even thinking about this game. i need some time... to my self. this is horrible. i cant believe it. now at least we can look forward to the CL.
Maradona (10)
08-05-2005, 09:57
The race is over.
As long as we win the Champions final, Im fine with it.
:broken:
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 09:59
right now im feeling just like i was feeling after the milan- depor
couldn't believe that we lost. :(
I would blame Ancelotti for not rotating. But maybe this will be a blessing in disguise. We should learn to let go. Let's use our second-string for the coming two matches against Lecce and Palermo, maybe they will give us some surprises. What to lose now? Who knows that Gilardino will not help us?
Anyway, let's focus on the Champions League final now. It is the time.
Gio-mania
08-05-2005, 09:59
Fvck....................
we can still make it though
couldn't believe that we lost. :(
I would blame Ancelotti for not rotating. But maybe this will be a blessing in disguise. We should learn to let go. Let's use our second-string for the coming two matches against Lecce and Palermo, maybe they will give us some surprises. What to lose now? Who knows that Gilardino will not help us?
Anyway, let's focus on the Champions League final now. It is the time.
It isnt over. I have a feeling Gilardino will do what his future Milan teamates couldnt
3 games left of the season. I hope Silvio & Co will not create kaos within the club/team, even if he is mad right now. They have to stay calm and focoused, and also hope that Juve will loose a game or two.
Shevaaaa...NO!!!
Now it is!!! :(
the game is over. The fight ain't yet. there are still 3 games left. Plenty could happen. Realistically, not much. But we have nothing to lose and we have plenty to hope for. Parma may do us a favor pulling some surprise. But we should definitely rest our starting player, almost everyone! :fero:
I am still waiting for the miracle. :love:
Thanks Inzaghi, for a minute there I thought you might actually do something positive in this campaign but no.
I'm not suprised the decisions didn't go our way, we had other chances and shouldn't have relied on a penalty but come on it was blatant.
Snapster
08-05-2005, 10:02
couldn't believe that we lost. :(
I would blame Ancelotti for not rotating. But maybe this will be a blessing in disguise. We should learn to let go. Let's use our second-string for the coming two matches against Lecce and Palermo, maybe they will give us some surprises. What to lose now? Who knows that Gilardino will not help us?
Anyway, let's focus on the Champions League final now. It is the time.
What, we should learn to give up going after trophies? That's deplorable, we should be competing on all levels, we used to do it and we should be able to do it. Hell if Manure can win the treble with more matches than we play, why shouldn't we.
I'm extremely angry will all the fitness excuses. Yes we had 10 games in 30 days, we knew we would but was anything done about it? NO. Blame falls on Ancelotti for not rotating.
My analysis:
1) Juve deserved to win this game. They absorbed the pressure well and did not play dirty. Congrats.
2) The fitness levels have to be taken into consideration. The week has been very taxing for Milan and eventually something had to give - travelling to and from Holland, playing a tough game in Eindhoven etc...would definitely make any team tired.
3) I have to lay the blame on this defeat on Carlo for the following reasons:
3a. Why Tomasson instead of Crespo? Crespo should have started this game considering he was rested against PSV!!
3b. And why did he bring in Pippo instead of Crespo when he subbed JDT? What was Carlo thinking? A player who barely match fit to take on a critical scudetto match???
3c. Seedorf is having a BAD BAD spell now. I can see that. My cat can see that. Carlo can't see it? Rui Costa or Ambrosini should have been playing from the start instead of Seedorf.
3d. Why was Pirlo subbed? Was he injured?
4. Moggi can shutup about the conspiracy theories as not 1, not 2, but 3 penalty appeals go unheeded.
5. Buffon's fist pumping attitude is sickening but I am not going to criticise him for it because he is not an a...hole :)
Congrats Juve for the scudetto title.
3 games left of the season. I hope Silvio & Co will not create kaos within the club/team, even if he is mad right now. They have to stay calm and focoused, and also hope that Juve will loose a game or two.
i agree. i think they will because they always yank carlo's chains after bad games. however, carlo was at fault.
predatorfc
08-05-2005, 10:06
Silvio Berlusconi was also at the match...and I hope he makes an announcement like:
" Ancelotti should rest the players well for the most important match of the season, the UEFA Champions League Final...Let Juve have the Scudetto, we will go for the bigger prize " :sagrin:
My analysis:
1) Juve deserved to win this game. They absorbed the pressure well and did not play dirty. Congrats.
2) The fitness levels have to be taken into consideration. The week has been very taxing for Milan and eventually something had to give - travelling to and from Holland, playing a tough game in Eindhoven etc...would definitely make any team tired.
3) I have to lay the blame on this defeat on Carlo for the following reasons:
3a. Why Tomasson instead of Crespo? Crespo should have started this game considering he was rested against PSV!!
3b. And why did he bring in Pippo instead of Crespo when he subbed JDT? What was Carlo thinking? A player who barely match fit to take on a critical scudetto match???
3c. Seedorf is having a BAD BAD spell now. I can see that. My cat can see that. Carlo can't see it? Rui Costa or Ambrosini should have been playing from the start instead of Seedorf.
3d. Why was Pirlo subbed? Was he injured?
4. Moggi can shutup about the conspiracy theories as not 1, not 2, but 3 penalty appeals go unheeded.
5. Buffon's fist pumping attitude is sickening but I am not going to criticise him for it because he is not an a...hole :)
Congrats Juve for the scudetto title.
I don't agree about Juventus being deserved. But talking about deserveness is stupid becuase they won. All I can say is that they are not in anyway better than Milan, except for taking chances, for today.
2) No. Fitness is not an excuse this game. You see Cafu running up all the time and you know that it's not fitness that make us lose today.
3) And what's wrong with Carlo? Crespo is slightly injured that's why he is not playing. And I thought that they talked about it a few days ago. Further, Inzaghi almost scrored with his first touch. So whta are you complaining?
4) It's awful seriously. Juventus is always getting the better deal. Collina, or whoever... as a Milan fan, I'm not going to use conspiracy theory. But we all know what happen about all those penalty. Cafu's shirt got tugged from behind is the worst ever you have seen from Juventus. But I'm not going to talk about it. We all know what happen.
But I see a Milan side that is fighting till the end. And I dont' think milan is playing poor like in Holland. I think they overall did well today. Except for the idiotic bicycle cross from Del Peiro that 99 times go to row Z and this time as a cross.
They are just lucky, but as I said, they scored a goal and we didn't. They took their chances while Milan didn't. Thats' all.
Silvio Berlusconi was also at the match...and I hope he makes an announcement like:
" Ancelotti should rest the players well for the most important match of the season, the UEFA Champions League Final...Let Juve have the Scudetto, we will go for the bigger prize " :sagrin:
that would only make sense but let's have some self respect. We are Milan not Inter. We will fight on all fronts and never give in.
A few seasons ago, Inter were second against Milan and threw in the towel a few games before the end saying "congrats Milan, you won it". We are not like that. we will fight till the end. juve will lose one game at least :)
What, we should learn to give up going after trophies? That's deplorable, we should be competing on all levels, we used to do it and we should be able to do it. Hell if Manure can win the treble with more matches than we play, why shouldn't we.
I'm extremely angry will all the fitness excuses. Yes we had 10 games in 30 days, we knew we would but was anything done about it? NO. Blame falls on Ancelotti for not rotating.
Agree with your first part, not with the second part. Seghinio is fresh and its no coincidence he was our best player. Dont know what Ancelotti was thinking of by taking mr irreplaceable (Pirlo) off. First he tried to put Seedorf in his role then Rui, just leave Pirlo on and take seedorf off for God's sake. Collina you old bastard do us all a favour retire!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angf:
While some of you are saying we should now just concentrate on the CL title, may I remind you that even that is not a gurantee! We should still try our best to attain both Scudetto and CL. It is going to be hard and we'll never know what can happen to Juve at this point. We did however mess up on this golden oppurtunity to buy us some time and room to concentrate on both titles. I kinda can see why many feel that we should just concentrate on the CL now.
Screw all f***ing italian refs. It has been proved that there is no such thing as a honest ref when juv is playing. Milan didn't do anything wrong in this game ****ing juv don't desreve to win. If we don't win the league this year i am going to buy the milan jersey for next season and put the scudetto patch on it cuz we are the real winners in the league none should top us if it wasn't for all reffering "mistakes" that went u juv's way!!!!!!!!!
im angry too... but yeah, the ref aside, they had chances and didnt score. We had enough luck against PSV.
Forget all the concentrating business. We play Lecce next week and there is no harm in taking it out on them. Then we play Livorno (I think) which may be postponed, if not we obviously have to rest the players. Then the Final where we will hopefully see the real Milan. Then Udinese where again we can give it our all.
its funny though, since the players have been talking about every game being a final we seem to be losing them all. Whats gona happen when we play the real damn final :rollani:
A team that fights and wins the game deserves the win. Let's not be sore losers (like Inter) and say Juve didn't deserve it. They played well, they defended well and the goal was good. Kudos to them.
To say fitness is not an issue is ridiculous. just because cafu was running up and down the field doesn't mean the team is well rested. remember, they had to play fiorentina, psv and juve in the space of 10 days. two of those games were away. YES fitness plays a big part.
As for Crespo, the commentators never mentioned an injury to crespo. If he was injured why was he on the bench? I didn't hear about this. of course, if he was injured, then i take it back.
Inzaghi may have almost scored with his first touch but he didn't. It was a good attempt but I think a sharper Inzaghi, or a more match fit Inzaghi, or Crespo, if he wasn't injured or Sheva, would have scored from that chance. Not just that, Inzaghi did very little in the rest of the game.
I don't agree about Juventus being deserved. But talking about deserveness is stupid becuase they won. All I can say is that they are not in anyway better than Milan, except for taking chances, for today.
2) No. Fitness is not an excuse this game. You see Cafu running up all the time and you know that it's not fitness that make us lose today.
3) And what's wrong with Carlo? Crespo is slightly injured that's why he is not playing. And I thought that they talked about it a few days ago. Further, Inzaghi almost scrored with his first touch. So whta are you complaining?
4) It's awful seriously. Juventus is always getting the better deal. Collina, or whoever... as a Milan fan, I'm not going to use conspiracy theory. But we all know what happen about all those penalty. Cafu's shirt got tugged from behind is the worst ever you have seen from Juventus. But I'm not going to talk about it. We all know what happen.
But I see a Milan side that is fighting till the end. And I dont' think milan is playing poor like in Holland. I think they overall did well today. Except for the idiotic bicycle cross from Del Peiro that 99 times go to row Z and this time as a cross.
They are just lucky, but as I said, they scored a goal and we didn't. They took their chances while Milan didn't. Thats' all.
It wasn't an idiotic cross by Del Piero. It showed he didn't give up. It went to the intended target - stam and maldini were asleep and they scored.
ac_milan_foreva
08-05-2005, 10:14
man we have no one to blame but ourselves. i really dont have anything to say and dont feel like talking about it....
Forget all the concentrating business. We play Lecce next week and there is no harm in taking it out on them. Then we play Livorno (I think) which may be postponed, if not we obviously have to rest the players. Then the Final where we will hopefully see the real Milan. Then Udinese where again we can give it our all.
its funny though, since the players have been talking about every game being a final we seem to be losing them all. Whats gona happen when we play the real damn final :rollani:
winning it.
Screw all f***ing italian refs. It has been proved that there is no such thing as a honest ref when juv is playing. Milan didn't do anything wrong in this game ****ing juv don't desreve to win. If we don't win the league this year i am going to buy the milan jersey for next season and put the scudetto patch on it cuz we are the real winners in the league none should top us if it wasn't for all reffering "mistakes" that went u juv's way!!!!!!!!!
Good idea!! :sagrin:
Who would carlo rotate with???
should Brocchi, costacurta, Ambrosini, Inzaghi be starting?
the only one is Serginho should be playing instead of seedorf these days, but we don't have the players to rotate. Rui Costa cannot offer you what Kaka can, Ambro does not offer what gattuso can and there's not even replacements for what Shevchenko, Cafu or Pirlo can.
Ancellotti dosn't have a rotating squad. can you imagine if we lost without playing Shecchenko??? he's be rightfully crucified. he did make the mistake of putting Inzaghi on over Crespo I think but who knows maybe crespo wouldn't have got in the positions.
I'm sick of Carlo criticism here. he takes over from a long line of crap coaches and instantly gets us in the CL, 2nd season, he wins the CL, 3rd he wins the league, 4th he is 5 games from winning both, ok it looks unlikely we'll get serie a now but still to get so close. it's of note no other team did aswell on both fronts, liverpool are finishing 5th?!?!?! and everyone else is out of the CL.
Next week:
Juventus - Parma
Lecce - Milan
Juve could lose this game with Gilardino in form.
After that:
Livorno - Juventus
Milan - Palermo
Donadoni promised Milan he would beat Juve. We still have hope ;)
It's just a psychological blow to Milan. How many times have we fallen 3 points behind Juve this season and caught up? Heck we were 8 points behind in one week and caught up. Why can't we do it again? Juve are not gods. They may lose one of the three upcoming games. it can very well happen.
I believe :)
Kaladze at left back with stam at right back and Cafu given a break which he so obviously needed. I know every ones gona disagree, but Sheva should have been benched too. Hes toooooooo tired. And of course serghinio
A team that fights and wins the game deserves the win. Let's not be sore losers (like Inter) and say Juve didn't deserve it. They played well, they defended well and the goal was good. Kudos to them.
To say fitness is not an issue is ridiculous. just because cafu was running up and down the field doesn't mean the team is well rested. remember, they had to play fiorentina, psv and juve in the space of 10 days. two of those games were away. YES fitness plays a big part.
As for Crespo, the commentators never mentioned an injury to crespo. If he was injured why was he on the bench? I didn't hear about this. of course, if he was injured, then i take it back.
Inzaghi may have almost scored with his first touch but he didn't. It was a good attempt but I think a sharper Inzaghi, or a more match fit Inzaghi, or Crespo, if he wasn't injured or Sheva, would have scored from that chance. Not just that, Inzaghi did very little in the rest of the game.
It wasn't an idiotic cross by Del Piero. It showed he didn't give up. It went to the intended target - stam and maldini were asleep and they scored.
I"m not gonna get into this fitness issue with you because that's another topic. And yes i understand that fitness is an issue. But lookint at the last 15-20minutes or so of playing, fitness is not the best concern. Juve players are obviously tired too. They can't mark down Milan the way they did in the first half. That's why I'm saying fitness is not a concern here, at least in this match. Because Milan obviously did much better than Juve in the second half as a whole.
I think Carlo or someone else did mention it. But the fact that Carlo likes Crespo so much and yet not letting him play, I think it's still that injury, however light. I seriously remembered that being mentioned, probably from the official website.
Inzaghi did very little but Tomasson didn't do a whole lot either. At least Inzaghi gave a real scare to Juve's defense.
At least for this game.
Stam and Maldini were fast asleep. Only Dida, who managed to touch the ball, managed to see that.
It's a matter of how you see that cross. perhaps 5 years ago when u told me that's intended I would believe you.
Peace. It's not that Milan didn't play well. It's just that we didn't take our chances like the way we used to, and I'll only remain neutral about "Juventus deserved to win lo scudetto".
Well I'm gonna call it right here and make a bold predicton by saying thank-you to a former Rossoneri great Coach Roby Donadoni on beating Juve in the next couple of weeks and thus evening up the points with us and Juve. To me that is our best hope if we are even going to tie these guys.
So we need to win the rest of our games and pray Donadoni can rally his team to beat Juve at home in Livorno. He'll be doing Livorno and also Milan a favor as they may have a back way into Europe.
FORZA DONADONI!
Next week:
Juventus - Parma
Lecce - Milan
Juve could lose this game with Gilardino in form.
After that:
Livorno - Juventus
Milan - Palermo
Donadoni promised Milan he would beat Juve. We still have hope ;)
It's just a psychological blow to Milan. How many times have we fallen 3 points behind Juve this season and caught up? Heck we were 8 points behind in one week and caught up. Why can't we do it again? Juve are not gods. They may lose one of the three upcoming games. it can very well happen.
I believe :)
well I'm not exactly worried seriously. It's just that it's a blow especially Milan didn't play particularly bad, and Juve didn't play exceptionally well to win.
But, they scored a goal, and we didn't. As you said, that's all that matters :v46:
But I still believe that Milan is up to the challneges ahead though.
Next week:
Juventus - Parma
Lecce - Milan
Juve could lose this game with Gilardino in form.
After that:
Livorno - Juventus
Milan - Palermo
Donadoni promised Milan he would beat Juve. We still have hope ;)
It's just a psychological blow to Milan. How many times have we fallen 3 points behind Juve this season and caught up? Heck we were 8 points behind in one week and caught up. Why can't we do it again? Juve are not gods. They may lose one of the three upcoming games. it can very well happen.
I believe :)
Geniuses think alike. Hopefully we dont look like fools. I'm with ya on the Donadoni prediction!
well I'm not exactly worried seriously. It's just that it's a blow especially Milan didn't play particularly bad, and Juve didn't play exceptionally well to win.
But, they scored a goal, and we didn't. As you said, that's all that matters :v46:
But I still believe that Milan is up to the challneges ahead though.
agreed. Milan's chances are not dead. Parma are not exactly easy to beat and Donadoni made a promise to Milan. I still have hope.
Benitez was in the crowd as well. (he's the liverpool coach for those that don't know).
vickirin
08-05-2005, 10:27
I don't criticize Carlo he's a genius and a match with a miracle goal will not change my opinion.
I'm sure he has his reassons for not usign Crespo.
Buffon is a shame for football. I'm so glad he'll never win the CL.
Forza Milan:3band:
Maradona (10)
08-05-2005, 10:27
Talking about blame and pointing fingers, what happened in Juve's score? That was an innocent play, where was Dida?
Other than that, Juventus never tried to win this game, focused only on defense.
Pipo lost a golden chance after a fantastic pass from Sheva.
BTW, theres no need to rest our players since the Champions final is like 3 weeks away.
ACmilan.com still not updated.
[QUOTE=Maradona (10)]Talking about blame and pointing fingers, what happened in Juve's score? That was an innocent play, where was Dida?
QUOTE]
The question is where is Stam and Maldini.
And we forgot the bad tackle by Nesta also on Nedved.
And dida managed to touch it!
I don't criticize Carlo he's a genius and a match with a miracle goal will not change my opinion.
I'm sure he has his reassons for not usign Crespo.
Buffon is a shame for football. I'm so glad he'll never win the CL.
Forza Milan:3band:
why is buffon a shame for football? because his team won? he's a great goalie and you can't blame him for being happy for himself and his team. he has a pretty good attitude towards his fellow players and has to be respected.
Snapster
08-05-2005, 10:30
Who would carlo rotate with???
should Brocchi, costacurta, Ambrosini, Inzaghi be starting?
the only one is Serginho should be playing instead of seedorf these days, but we don't have the players to rotate. Rui Costa cannot offer you what Kaka can, Ambro does not offer what gattuso can and there's not even replacements for what Shevchenko, Cafu or Pirlo can.
Ancellotti dosn't have a rotating squad. can you imagine if we lost without playing Shecchenko??? he's be rightfully crucified. he did make the mistake of putting Inzaghi on over Crespo I think but who knows maybe crespo wouldn't have got in the positions.
I'm sick of Carlo criticism here. he takes over from a long line of crap coaches and instantly gets us in the CL, 2nd season, he wins the CL, 3rd he wins the league, 4th he is 5 games from winning both, ok it looks unlikely we'll get serie a now but still to get so close. it's of note no other team did aswell on both fronts, liverpool are finishing 5th?!?!?! and everyone else is out of the CL.
You forget a certain Chelsea, they dominated the EPL and were only 'just' beaten by Liverpool by a goal which was proven to not cross the line, that being said they are the only ones who have done well on both.
As for squad players, no we don't have a like for like squad we can swap in and use our second eleven. The idea of rotating the squad doesn't mean you bench the entire first eleven and play the 'reseve' either. You selectively swap in and out players who are lacking form/fitness. Individually Kaladze, Pancaro, Costacurta, Simic, Ambrosini, Brocchi, Dhorasso, Rui Costa, Serginho, Inzaghi, JTD can be placed in first eleven and hold their own. If they aren't good enough to, then why do we have them? Another thing is, we don't have to use the same formation either (with Pirlo as the focal point), and we can mix things up a little.
Talking about blame and pointing fingers, what happened in Juve's score? That was an innocent play, where was Dida?
Other than that, Juventus never tried to win this game, focused only on defense.
Pipo lost a golden chance after a fantastic pass from Sheva.
BTW, theres no need to rest our players since the Champions final is like 3 weeks away.
dida touched the ball. not his fault. nothing dida can do when the defenders give the striker an open shot. stam and maldini were to blame for that. also, DP shouldn't have even been allowed that second chance to send it in.
Maradona (10)
08-05-2005, 10:31
[QUOTE=Maradona (10)]Talking about blame and pointing fingers, what happened in Juve's score? That was an innocent play, where was Dida?
QUOTE]
The question is where is Stam and Maldini.
And we forgot the bad tackle by Nesta also on Nedved.
And dida managed to touch it!
The ball was not hit well, Del Piero's kick went up and ended close to the area defended by Dida. Thats GK territory.
vickirin
08-05-2005, 10:34
why is buffon a shame for football? because his team won? he's a great goalie and you can't blame him for being happy for himself and his team. he has a pretty good attitude towards his fellow players and has to be respected.
You can expect that kind of celebrations in the NFL or maybe in the NBA but not in a gentlemen sport like football. I don't blame him for being happy , I blame him for shouting in his opponents faces.
:3band:
[QUOTE=Jeff]
The ball was not hit well, Del Piero's kick went up and ended close to the area defended by Dida. Thats GK territory.
so you expected dida to leave his post, go up and grab a ball that trezeguet could have headed down to an oncoming juve player? or do you think dida thought stam will close him down because maldini is on dida's left to cover oncoming juve players? dida did what he had to because it was stam who should have closed trez.
zlatanov
08-05-2005, 10:38
I think it was a pretty even game and if performance was to determine the score, I would ay a draw would have been the most fair of results. However, although we played well in the second half and Juve did a lot of desperate defending - good game for Inzaghi, IMO - I think that Juve deserved the win for being more solid than Milan in the whole 1st half and most importantly for taking there chances, something I can't say Milan did tonight.
IMO, the fight for the scudetto is far from over but I would be more than satisfied if we end up getting "only" the CL this season. In fact, I would count it as a very positive season even if don't win a single title this year. Hopefully, for next year we will learn our lessons and that is that in order to get a double with this league of 20 teams we need at least 3 top-of the line reinforcements in the wing/back positions (Janku and Trabelsi would be welcomed additions), midfield (van Bommel AND Pizarro), and attack (Gilardino).
I think the most positive thing on the night is the performances of Inzaghi and Serginho, while Kaka and Sheva were the biggest disappoinments tonight but I do believe that they have played way too many games this season and even a big squad like ours is not enough to make it through a LONG season like this one - there are a lot of players on the team that just make up the numbers but are just not up to the level of the more regular 14-15 players we have been using throughout the season.
kenny_shev
08-05-2005, 10:38
just came back from watching the game. Pure dissappointment by anyone's definition. What were Nesta, Stam, Maldini were thinking when they all left Trez unguarded to score that freak goal? Two penalties appeals for a foul and a handball in the box were turned down although Collina were only few steps away...
I didnt quite understand the Pirlo-Seedorf's substitutions that Carlo made. When he took Pirlo out, I was quite stunned. It was Seedorf who shoulda been subbed first. He was slow and way too predictable. If I had been Carlo, I woulda started Serginho instead of Seedorf for 2 reasons i) Seedorf is going through a patch of bad forms right now, ii) we would need width in attacks knowing that Juve would pack the central crowded to disrupt our plays. After Pirlo was taken out, our freekicks lost tend folds of their effectiveness.
Credits to Juve though. IMO, they tatically shut down all our attacks in the first half. Kaka was totally invisible. They took the freak chance. In the second half, they absorbed all the attacks we threw at them ( they also have Collina to thank for all the turned down penaties). Being realistic, I think we already lost the Scudetto. I will still be very happy though if we win the CL.
The TV camera did show a glimse of Berlusconi and Galliani....They, specially Berlu didnt look very happy. Let's wait and see what he will say after the match..
BERLUSCONI: 'Tomorrow is another day'
5/8/2005
MILAN - This is what president Silvio Berlusconi had to say after the game with Juventus: It was not a good day. The game was suffered in the first half and better played after the break. I saw another Milan side in the second period, but they showed too much approximation and slowness to reach the box. We were not able to be effective, there is some tiredness. Now we hope that our players will be able to recover some strengths and finish well a season that has been fantastic so far. We are sorry, but to a certain point. We faced Juventus being albeit level and on the pitch it was not fellt such a great difference. I'll tell the team in the dressing rooms to forget this defeat and this afternoon. Tomorrow is another day, another game and another challenge.'
Jim, even the president agrees with me that fitness played a part ;) :clap:
zlatanov
08-05-2005, 10:42
One more thing - for the goal I think it was a mistake from our defence and not Dida. The miscommunicatin between Stam and Maldini was the culprit in that moment, IMO. Del Pierro also shouldn't have been allowed so much time on the ball but a cross like that isn't always possible to cover, while Trazeguet was left completely unmarked a couple of meters from goal with no defender being even close to him.
As for the penalty appeals - I don't think any of them was warrented. If I were Collina, I wouldn't give them either just like I would have been very angry if any of these were given against Milan.
kenny_shev
08-05-2005, 10:42
MILAN - This is what president Silvio Berlusconi had to say after the game with Juventus: It was not a good day. The game was suffered in the first half and better played after the break. I saw another Milan side in the second period, but they showed too much approximation and slowness to reach the box. We were not able to be effective, there is some tiredness. Now we hope that our players will be able to recover some strengths and finish well a season that has been fantastic so far. We are sorry, but to a certain point. We faced Juventus being albeit level and on the pitch it was not fellt such a great difference. I'll tell the team in the dressing rooms to forget this defeat and this afternoon. Tomorrow is another day, another game and another challenge.'
WOW!!! that was a positive response from Berlu. Seeing the look of his face on TV, I expected much worse
collina has embarrased the whole of italy and the creditability of the italin league is all i am going to say
foreign refs needed
collina has embarrased the whole of italy and the creditability of the italin league is all i am going to say
foreign refs needed
yeah... but foreigners aren't any better. In england and spain hilarious mistakes by refs r very common (dissallowed goal against manchester for example)
What, we should learn to give up going after trophies? That's deplorable, we should be competing on all levels, we used to do it and we should be able to do it. Hell if Manure can win the treble with more matches than we play, why shouldn't we.
I'm extremely angry will all the fitness excuses. Yes we had 10 games in 30 days, we knew we would but was anything done about it? NO. Blame falls on Ancelotti for not rotating.
Things are different. It is tougher. Man United won the treble with tremendous luck. I am not sure about the league, but I remember the FA cup and CL final. both could have gone the other way around, easily. :googly:
We SHOULD and we CAN win everything. No doubt on that. It is just tough. I always have high confidence on Milan Lab, but as can be seen by EVERYONE WITH EYES, our old boys ARE TIRED, VERY TIRED! :skull: That was an observation, and it is now happening.
Ancelotti is not brave enough. Brocchi, JDT, KK and co. are all very decent players. Given chance, they can shine. Look at the lineup:
----Abbiati-----
Simic--Billy(needs backup)--KK--Serginho
Brocchi--Ambrosini--Rui--Dorahsoo
Inzaghi--JDT
Not so bad, huh? And I haven't even used any one in the first-11 yet. It is definitely not worse than most team other than Juve and Inter, I would say.
I am not expecting at all that Ancelotti will use this, however, he can try use 5-6 of them. It is a shame that their talents are wasted.
While some of our players are in dire need for rest, some other are desperate for playing time. Ancelotti is too much conservative, but I don't blame him and I don't expect him to change either, having Berlusconi as the boss is not easy either, and not to mention so many bad memories he has had. :skull:
Now we have our 7th CL trophy waiting for us. The final is only 2 weeks away! I say, rest all of the players! Don't be kidding me, Maldini, Stam, Cafu need at least 10 days to 2 weeks to get back to their best physical condition. Gattuso, Pirlo, Kaka, Sheva need one full week. Dida should get some relax too, he has been mentally overcharged. The drop in his form worries me the most. :wallbang:
But I doubt Ancelotti will do it. We still have slim hope in the league, that could be haunting him. If I were him, I would definitely rest key players and give our squad players a chance to shine, and let Parma and Livorno beat Juventus. IF they do, fine. If they don't, we don't care. We have a more important CL trophy awaiting. :clap:
FORZA MILAN :dumpf:
zlatanov
08-05-2005, 10:49
collina has embarrased the whole of italy and the creditability of the italin league is all i am going to say
I am sure you are saying that just because you feel very disappointed by the defeat. How would you have fealt about it if Collina was to give a peanlty like that vs Milan?
Now that would have been an embarrassing moment and not this one - we simply failed to capitalize on the few opportunities we created today while Juve did and that's why they won the game. In the very same way Milan are in the CL final and not PSV.
Come on guys, let's not be bitter losers like some other people from across town.
WOW!!! that was a positive response from Berlu. Seeing the look of his face on TV, I expected much worse
Yeah, a positive response to the media but what will he say/do to the players and Carlo?? Alot goes on behind the scence. I hope it will constructive and not destructive.
yeah... but foreigners aren't any better. In england and spain hilarious mistakes by refs r very common (dissallowed goal against manchester for example)
yeah but i dont some of the decisions made by italin refs are actually mistakes, there has been too many this year for example, the 2 milan juve games, milan v bologna, milan v chievo, siena v milan, chievo v juve, lazio v juve, bologna v juve, roma v juve etc
I am sure you are saying that just because you feel very disappointed by the defeat. How would you have fealt about it if Collina was to give a peanlty like that vs Milan?
Now that would have been an embarrassing moment and not this one - we simply failed to capitalize on the few opportunities we created today while Juve did and that's why they won the game. In the very same way Milan are in the CL final and not PSV.
Come on guys, let's not be bitter losers like some other people from across town.
they were both clear cut penalties zambrotta pulled down cafu in the box hand on his jersey quite balantly an dfor the other one cafu's shot which was goalbound was blocked by cannavaros arm perhaps not on purpose as hew did throw hinmself at the ball but it doesnt matter or not he shouldnt have his hands up in the air it was a penalty. remember siena milan last year when collina gave penalty against milan when ball hit shevas arm unintentionally. collina should follow his own precedents
Snapster
08-05-2005, 10:57
Things are different. It is tougher. Man United won the treble with tremendous luck. I am not sure about the league, but I remember the FA cup and CL final. both could have gone the other way around, easily. :googly:
We SHOULD and we CAN win everything. No doubt on that. It is just tough. I always have high confidence on Milan Lab, but as can be seen by EVERYONE WITH EYES, our old boys ARE TIRED, VERY TIRED! :skull: That was an observation, and it is now happening.
My point was manu got to the finals and didn't have an issue with fitness. The premiership was 20 teams in the league back then as Serie A is now, the CL had more or less same games as now, and they got to cup final (and pretty far in the league cup as well). The EPL is by far a more energy sapping league in terms of physically fitness due to the endless running of players (not saying it's better btw!). I seem to recall some fitness institute monitored manu during some games, and the defenders averaged 8 miles running a game, strikers 10, and midfielders between 15 and 20 miles.
That's more games and higher energy use than our players.
And yes, it was luck that won them the CL final, although everyone needs a bit to win things.
they were both clear cut penalties zambrotta pulled down cafu in the box hand on his jersey quite balantly an dfor the other one cafu's shot which was goalbound was blocked by cannavaros arm perhaps not on purpose as hew did throw hinmself at the ball but it doesnt matter or not he shouldnt have his hands up in the air it was a penalty. remember siena milan last year when collina gave penalty against milan when ball hit shevas arm unintentionally. collina should follow his own precedents
Let's not get into this referee issue. Whether the referee(s) is/are at fault today, let's not mention it. It's important to set the mindset right. That's all.
I feel sorry for Cafu, nevertheless. I would have been very disappointed esp. you got tugged from behind and nothing is done.
Or, you can say that Juventus know how to walk on a fine line between penalty and non-penalty. It would have been cruel to give a penalty, seriously, but it would have bene equally cruel NOT to give a penalty.
And MOST referees would opt not to give a penalty. And Juventus know it. That's why they fouled.
You can expect that kind of celebrations in the NFL or maybe in the NBA but not in a gentlemen sport like football. I don't blame him for being happy , I blame him for shouting in his opponents faces.
:3band:
NFL, NBA, and football. None of them are gentlemen sport. :mex: I don't blame him for being happy, or extremely happy, or whatever. I don't.
But I do dislike him a lot. I always do. He just makes me sick. Honestly. He is a sissy, and his attitude (and maybe also the fact he plays for doper) sickens me. :w186:
Or, you can say that Juventus know how to walk on a fine line between penalty and non-penalty. It would have been cruel to give a penalty, seriously, but it would have bene equally cruel NOT to give a penalty.
And MOST referees would opt not to give a penalty. And Juventus know it. That's why they fouled.
jeff a penalty is a penalty.
i think most neutral refs would have given milan at least one penalty
NFL, NBA, and football. None of them are gentlemen sport. :mex: I don't blame him for being happy, or extremely happy, or whatever. I don't.
But I do dislike him a lot. I always do. He just makes me sick. Honestly. He is a sissy, and his attitude (and maybe also the fact he plays for doper) sickens me. :w186:
i have seen him for many many years. his attitude towards fellow players is pretty awesome. he always friendly towards them and even today he was consoling inzaghi. give him a break. just because he likes to show his emotions, doesn't mean he sucks. lol :evil:
jeff a penalty is a penalty.
i think most neutral refs would have given milan at least one penalty
Well I wish I could agree with you, but I think there is no point in talking about this now.
Having said, whether it's a penalty or not, we know the answer, just that I"m not going to say anything about it.
Sometimes i really wish that it's just all a fuss about Juve getting favored from the referee. I simply wish.
i have seen him for many many years. his attitude towards fellow players is pretty awesome. he always friendly towards them and even today he was consoling inzaghi. give him a break. just because he likes to show his emotions, doesn't mean he sucks. lol :evil:
As a huge contrast with Dida isn't it? ;)
Well I wish I could agree with you, but I think there is no point in talking about this now.
yeah there is no point talking bout it any more but if juve do win the league this year some referees will have palyed a bigger part than some of their players and that damages the creditability of the italin league
Don't be silly Almilan. A penalty is only a penalty when it's given, otherwise it's just not a penalty. That's it.
We lost, and we'll have to take it as men. Now let's move on, there's still plenty on the horizon for us.
yeah there is no point talking bout it any more but if juve do win the league this year some referees will have palyed a bigger part than some of their players and that damages the creditability of the italin league
Well... I'm not disagreeing with you here, becuase it has alreayd been happening for many years.
Whether it's conspiracy or not, let the Heaven judge.
at least we are in the european cup final again where juve dont have the refs but we do deserve a scuddeto as well this season
My point was manu got to the finals and didn't have an issue with fitness. The premiership was 20 teams in the league back then as Serie A is now, the CL had more or less same games as now, and they got to cup final (and pretty far in the league cup as well). The EPL is by far a more energy sapping league in terms of physically fitness due to the endless running of players (not saying it's better btw!). I seem to recall some fitness institute monitored manu during some games, and the defenders averaged 8 miles running a game, strikers 10, and midfielders between 15 and 20 miles.
That's more games and higher energy use than our players.
And yes, it was luck that won them the CL final, although everyone needs a bit to win things.
I am no expert in this, but I recall the CL final in 99 clearly. ManU played like Manure! Bayern hit the woodwork twice in addition to that goal! I don't know and I don't care how th fitness institute monitoring comes up with the conclusion that ManU didn't have fitness problem (or did they arrive that result or just you? since those mileage covered to me ain't some impressive evidence, anyway). Without Scholes and Keane, ManU was COMPLETELY outrun, outplayed, and outclassed! Do you want that to happen to us at Istanbul? (Well, if I definitely know we WILL win, I honestly don't care and WILL accept that "offer". :D)
Let's face it, we have a bunch of old guys, and ManU in 99 are just a bunch of teenagers :D and 20+ players, and they still managed to have their asses kicked for 90 minutes. :grinser: Lucky for them, they got help from miracles. Note the plurality. :)
Now we do have choices. 30+ players should stop playing now; 20+s can go ahead and kick Lecce's ass and then stay home to have some big sleep. Dida should go read some novels, and maybe watch his own tapes against Ajax and Inter and fall asleep too. Ancelotti should forbid them even watch our squad players kicking asses around to give them full brain massages. :pp20:
After we win our 7th CL trophy in turkey, then we can come back and see what's going on in Italy, if we still have hope or we are leading, go for it with full strength!!! :devs:
What's so bad? :tired: We are just tired. So we have the cure: take a rest. We will be invincible again. :r14:
Don't be silly Almilan. A penalty is only a penalty when it's given, otherwise it's just not a penalty. That's it.
We lost, and we'll have to take it as men. Now let's move on, there's still plenty on the horizon for us.
what i was implying is that a penalty should either be one or not. not whether it is actually awarded but whether it is a valid appeal and milan had 2 valid appeals today but yes we should move on and hope gila's parma or donadoni's liverno save us.
and then hope a referee doesnt resave juve!
About the refereeing, IMHO, Collina was NOT that outrageous.
I am not very clear of the situation, but I personally don't believe that he did it on purpose. Things happen, no need to complain. Especially when it is not helping.
EDIT: forgot "NOT". could be misleading. :guw:
For you fools criticising Collina, you all need a firm reminding that it was Galliani along with coach Carlo who actually made the request for him to officiate the match. Yes he made some mistakes that may have cost us the match, but dont solely blame him. I dont remember any of you guys making an uproar when he was appointed to this match. It's kind of intellectually dishonest for you guys to start grumbling after the fact. Quit while you are ahead cause those making accusations about the ref are looking really stupid.
Nadir is a member of high standing when reflecting back on the games we play. More so he has taken this loss as a good sport without crying like a big baby. We can learn much from people like him and then be honest in our discussions. Otherwise it is nothing else but a bunch of cry babies.
i have seen him for many many years. his attitude towards fellow players is pretty awesome. he always friendly towards them and even today he was consoling inzaghi. give him a break. just because he likes to show his emotions, doesn't mean he sucks. lol :evil:
You have such a big heart. :hmmm: Do you honestly believe that he was consoling Inzaghi, if you are talking about the moment they both fell to the ground?
You may have seen him for many years, me too. I watched his debut against Milan. So probably I have the say too. The fact that he likes to show his emotions inappropriately decides that he is not going to be liked by me. :stoned: He sucks, and the only thing that could change my mind is one day he becomes one of us, which I don't see coming.
So please let me hate him. :D So far it works fine for me. :D
For you fools criticising Collina, you all need a firm reminding that it was Galliani along with coach Carlo who actually made the request for him to officiate the match. Yes he made some mistakes that may have cost us the match, but dont solely blame him. I dont remember any of you guys making an uproar when he was appointed to this match. It's kind of intellectually dishonest for you guys to start grumbling after the fact. Quit while you are ahead cause those making accusations about the ref are looking really stupid.
Nadir is a member of high standing when reflecting back on the games we play. More so he has taken this loss as a good sport without crying like a big baby. We can learn much from people like him and then be honest in our discussions. Otherwise it is nothing else but a bunch of cry babies.
i have never liked collina he is an attention seeking idiot whose profile is so big just because of his intimidating phyical presence.
hopefully he retires the end of season
i have never liked collina he is an attention seeking idiot whose profile is so big just because of his intimidating phyical presence.
hopefully he retires the end of season
OK that is your opinion and I'll respect that. What have you to say to Galliani and Ancelotti for encouraging the league to have him ref this game???
For you fools criticising Collina, you all need a firm reminding that it was Galliani along with coach Carlo who actually made the request for him to officiate the match. Yes he made some mistakes that may have cost us the match, but dont solely blame him. I dont remember any of you guys making an uproar when he was appointed to this match. It's kind of intellectually dishonest for you guys to start grumbling after the fact. Quit while you are ahead cause those making accusations about the ref are looking really stupid.
Nadir is a member of high standing when reflecting back on the games we play. More so he has taken this loss as a good sport without crying like a big baby. We can learn much from people like him and then be honest in our discussions. Otherwise it is nothing else but a bunch of cry babies.
Exactly becuase of that. Milan didn't play bad either, and I feel like the way PSV felt a few days ago.
I'm not sure if I would agree with anyone who says tha Milan played badly. Far from it. Milan did create good chances esp. in the second half but didn't manage to score. Perhasp that's something to ponder on.
Finally, whether that's a penalty or not is, as I say, not important. But it's ipmortant for people who didn't watch the match to understand that there WERE indeed some controversy over the two appeals, esp. the one Cafu's shirt tugged from behind. Whether it's a penalty is no longer relevant.
And, at least I don't see Gattuso pulling Del Piero's shirt when Del piero was 'crossing'. That's all I'm saying. It's up to the readers here to judge whether the call is fair. But at that point, only Collina had the power.
You may have seen him for many years, me too. I watched his debut against Milan. So probably I have the say too. The fact that he likes to show his emotions inappropriately decides that he is not going to be liked by me. :stoned:
Hehe, thats exactly why i hate Henry. His goal celebrations really make me sick. I do agree with you on buffon, although he is a hell of a goalie and deserves some kind of respect.
OK that is your opinion and I'll respect that. What have you to say to Galliani and Ancelotti for encouraging the league to have him ref this game???
galliani and ancelotti are not always right, but i doubt they explictly asked for him, maybe when they knew he was likely to be appointed ref they make some encouraging comments about him for 'brownie points'
not that it worked
And what's indeed really soar, is that you see they did foul in the penalty area and not get punished. Whether it's penalty or not, it's no longer relevant. That's how Juventus defended sometimes.
And sadly, we gotta respect referee's decision.
But it's a good point that Collina decided to say Sheva's hand was considered a handball. I'm not sure if that handball is more seriously than the shirt-tugging in that situation. That's why people are angry, Kui, but as I say, Collina is human.
For you fools criticising Collina, you all need a firm reminding that it was Galliani along with coach Carlo who actually made the request for him to officiate the match. Yes he made some mistakes that may have cost us the match, but dont solely blame him. I dont remember any of you guys making an uproar when he was appointed to this match. It's kind of intellectually dishonest for you guys to start grumbling after the fact. Quit while you are ahead cause those making accusations about the ref are looking really stupid.
Nadir is a member of high standing when reflecting back on the games we play. More so he has taken this loss as a good sport without crying like a big baby. We can learn much from people like him and then be honest in our discussions. Otherwise it is nothing else but a bunch of cry babies.
Now you are going over the top. I, for one, didn't think Collina was too bad today. But why would you call our fellow milan fans as fools? We were already hurt, and it is SO REASONABLE for me to see them letting the anger out on someone or something. And it is SO RIGHT especially Collina did make some mistake. What's so bad complaining a little bit?
Stop calling fools or crybabies. It is adding insults to injury. AFter all, we are brothers. and Collina is just a friend, to say the most.
For such a blue-ribbon game, it ended up being a scrappy unsofisticated affair, which suited Juve more than us.
We lacked the spark, the creativeness and energy to get the result. The PSV game really drained the team, considering that besides JDT, it was the same 11.
I still believe, but we will need luck, and the assistance from Juve's opponents.
Forza Milan
I still believe, but we will need luck, and the assistance from Juve's opponents.
And the assistance of the linesman too. ;)
Exactly becuase of that. Milan didn't play bad either, and I feel like the way PSV felt a few days ago.
I'm not sure if I would agree with anyone who says tha Milan played badly. Far from it. Milan did create good chances esp. in the second half but didn't manage to score. Perhasp that's something to ponder on.
Finally, whether that's a penalty or not is, as I say, not important. But it's ipmortant for people who didn't watch the match to understand that there WERE indeed some controversy over the two appeals, esp. the one Cafu's shirt tugged from behind. Whether it's a penalty is no longer relevant.
And, at least I don't see Gattuso pulling Del Piero's shirt when Del piero was 'crossing'. That's all I'm saying. It's up to the readers here to judge whether the call is fair. But at that point, only Collina had the power.
Even so... we are still getting a very different perspective of the match than what Collina is viewing. We do not know what the play looked like from is eyeballs. Maybe he didnt see anything! It's easy for us cause we watch it from our couches. Makes us the experts doesnt it??
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