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Brasileiro
14-08-2006, 12:03
Yersterday in Cruzeiro X Fluminense game, an TV GLOBO reporter, said that kaká father and 2 Milan directors(they didn´t say the name of both) were in the game to see some players(no names also)...
This is only one assumption, but, IMO these 2(Wagner and Marcelo) are the ones that Milan directors were looking at. Both are called for the first time to Brazil NT by Dunga, and has the talent to play in Milan. Even if it will not be for coming now, the purchase of both will be the smart thing to do. CSKA tried to purchase Marcelo some months ago(Fluminense asked for 5 MIL) but the player vetoed the negotiation, saying the it don´t want to play in Russia. Mark my words, barring injure, this kid will be the best LB of the world...Marcelo was a starter in sub-15, sub-17, sub-20 Brazil NT and at just 18 years old receive his first call to Seleção...I hope that Milan office surprise me end purchase both right now(mainly Marcelo), for just 4 or 5 MIL(and if is the case loan both) before a team like Sevilla buy this kids and after some years wants 15 MIL for the players...
For the ones that don´t know the players, I made a little scout of them in a old topic here in MM:
B]Wagner [/B] Ferrreira dos Santos(Cruzeiro; 1985): He isn´t too young like Marcelo and others, but isn´t too old also. Amazing left foot MD, great skils , pass vision, dribble and shot!!
This guy impress me since I saw him playing in the LMD(Seedorf role in Milan) last year. This year in Brasileirão, Wagner is playing in Kaká role, and right now, is the top scorer of Brasileirão with 8 goals(and 8 ast.) Wagner is Brasil NT material, fror sure!!!
Here you guys can see Wagner:
http://www.cruzeiro.com.br/cruzeiro/profissional/jogadores/
Marcelo Vieira da Silva Júnior(Fluminense; 1988)
IMO, this kid will be the best LB of the World in the near future(bresides his age)!!! He was in the same Brazil U17 team w/ Kerlon, Anderson, Ramon...Amazing talent, has everything what you need in a LB. Of course he needs to improve defensive skills, but you can see that is just matter of time and experience. This kid has it all!! Amazing skills, pace, dribbles and is a little dirty :diablo: like Gattuso and Daniel Alves...Marcelo is already a regular starter in Fluminense first team, and everytime that I see Marcelo playing(last night for example) his game is improving!! It´s not a strech to say that Marcelo has the same dribble ability of Robinho and Ronaldinho, but playing in the LB.
Brazil NT material , for sure.
You can see his picture here:
http://www.fluminense.com.br/futebol/d_index.asp?idn=1119
I hyped both some months ago when nobody even talked about them in Brazil, and now they are called for Seleção. W/ Alex (PSV) the same thing happened...Man, I will go to work as scout!! :grinser:
Interesting news...good to hear Milan's talent sniffers are up to something. :whie:
hitmannq8
14-08-2006, 12:46
nice to hear that :) brasiliero you should always post here.. ur posts make alot of sense and are very comforting :P
Nirvana FC
14-08-2006, 12:52
Mark my words, barring injure, this kid will be the best LB of the world...Marcelo was a starter in sub-15, sub-17, sub-20 Brazil NT and at just 18 years old receive his first call to Seleção...I hope that Milan office surprise me end purchase both right now(mainly Marcelo), for just 4 or 5 MIL(and if is the case loan both) before a team like Sevilla buy this kids and after some years wants 15 MIL for the players...
Marcelo is the best LB in world football already, brasileiro. The guy is just incredible and yesterday he had a tremendous performance.
Cool!
Nirvana FC
14-08-2006, 12:58
Players involved in the game yesterday:
Cruzeiro
Fábio; Luizão (Diego), Edu Dracena e Thiago Heleno; Michel, Jonilson (Diogo), Sandro (Francismar), Wagner e Julio César; Carlinhos Bala e Alecsandro
Técnico: Paulo César Gusmão
Fluminense
Fernando Henrique; Thiago (Beto), Marcão e Roger; Rogério, Ângelo (Romeu), Arouca, Juliano (Cláudio Pitbull), Petkovic e Marcelo; Tuta
Técnico: Josué Teixeira
Hmmm...
Only Edu Dracena, who has an Italian passport, Arouca and Marcelo are interesting players. Do not think Wagner is that good.
For about 7 mill any team can sign Edu, who is a very good CD.
hitmannq8
14-08-2006, 13:28
I really wish to believe it but Milan isnt the type of team to take risks on players like these..I think the Milan directors were doing nothing more than watching a game while being in Brazil. I also dont know if we really need a LB, cuz we have Jankulovski, Favalli, Kaladze, Maldini, and Serginho! Poor Marek, seems like he will never get his chance if we eventually sign this Marcelo kid.
Brasiliero says he plays as a LB, but in the formation Nirvana posted, Marcelo is a striker no? Can someone clarify? and keep us updated!
sheva-gila
14-08-2006, 13:35
maybe its a striker but a winger player like robben from chelsea
Obviously the majority of us will have to bow to your knowledge about these players, but Nirvana, if Marcelo is already the best LB in the world surely he would have played in the World Cup and someone would have bought him already ?
Just a thought :)
Brasileiro
14-08-2006, 15:47
I really wish to believe it but Milan isnt the type of team to take risks on players like these..I think the Milan directors were doing nothing more than watching a game while being in Brazil. I also dont know if we really need a LB, cuz we have Jankulovski, Favalli, Kaladze, Maldini, and Serginho! Poor Marek, seems like he will never get his chance if we eventually sign this Marcelo kid.
Brasiliero says he plays as a LB, but in the formation Nirvana posted, Marcelo is a striker no? Can someone clarify? and keep us updated!
Thanks for the words, hitmannq8 :)
I was very busy these months, but I am always reading the forum...
About your question regards Marcelo position, the confusions is that Fluminense( Marcelo team) play w/ 3 formations: 4-4-2 , 3-5-2 and 3-6-1. In this game they started at 3-6-1 and in the second half played 4-4-2...So, Marcelo starded playing as winger and finish as LB.
As I said , this is only a assumption, but Kaká father liveed in São Paulo, and this game was in another state(Minas Gerais)...Belo Horizonte(the game was there) is a great city, but it is not known by attracting foreign tourists. So, I really doubt that Milan directors were there for vacations. They could be in São Paulo for example, watching Corinthians(and Tevez) to play, but they had chosen Belo Horizonte...who knows???
While a agree that our Milan isn´t the type of team to take risks on young players, I still have a little of faith that this situation will change...I don´t have nothing against contract veterans, and don´t believe that to full the teams of youngsters will be the answers. IMO we need balance in our politics of transferences...just balance.
Brasileiro
14-08-2006, 15:53
Marcelo is the best LB in world football already, brasileiro. The guy is just incredible and yesterday he had a tremendous performance.
Cool!
You´re right, Nirvana. Marcelo performance yersterday was amazing...and how I forgot about Arouca??? IMO don´t call Arouca for the game against Noruega, was the first Dunga mistake.
Brasileiro
14-08-2006, 16:08
Obviously the majority of us will have to bow to your knowledge about these players, but Nirvana, if Marcelo is already the best LB in the world surely he would have played in the World Cup and someone would have bought him already ?
Just a thought :)
I get your point :)
As I said , Marcelo has all the tools to be the BEST in some years. In terms of talent, I don´t see anybody near of him in Lb position today. But Marcelo is just a 18 years old kid, w/ to much to learn...Is his first season as a starter of Fluminense first team, and he´s doing pretty well. CSKA try to purchase Marcelo(like they made w/ Daniel Carvalho, Wagner Love) some months ago, but the kid said that he would not go to play in Russia.
The problem of to play(not for the players) in Brazil NT, is that any scrub called, automatically it is contracted by some European teams...some teams are crazy!!
_MaJi_tz
14-08-2006, 16:20
this is great news
i bealive braseleiro and nirvana fc that this boy is best on this position and his age??
if you have some video that would be great
I have never seen these two players playing , Brasileiro is there any chance to post any link of any game that these players played ( i'm more interested for Marcelo )
Every team in the world need young players .. MILAN too
I can see that Nirvana FC saw Marcelo playing and I just started to think if he could be playing LB on Milan :) if he is great as you and Brasileiro are saying why not
KingHenry®
14-08-2006, 17:29
Nice2 c Young talents being fished out
Brasileiro
14-08-2006, 22:07
this is great news
i bealive braseleiro and nirvana fc that this boy is best on this position and his age??
if you have some video that would be great
_MaJi_tz and Iked I just found this site w/ some goals of Fluminense...
Is in portuguese, so you guys scroll down to Copa Do Brasil 2006 and Campeonato Brasileiro 2006 look to the rigth side to find Marcelo name and click to save(or open)...
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/CpBrasil%202006/06vil22b.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/CpBrasil%202006/06cru10.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06cap21a.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06gre44c.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06cru32a.rm
It isn´t a MIX(just goals) but you guys can have a glimpse of Marcelo.
If time isn´t a problem, you can try to look the other goals, and maybe find some Marcelo assists...remeber, only in Copa do Brasil 2006 and Cameponato Brasileiro 2006
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos2006.html
Josh-Sheva
15-08-2006, 05:50
New brazilians yay!!!!
More Kakas.... this could be good
Marcelo seems like a perfect replacement for Serginho then. A player who can play left wing and left back. If we managed to get Pasquale too, then we'd be perfect at left-back for many many years.
Could it also have been that maybe there were other Milan people at the Corinthians match ? Although to be honest, we don't really need someone to scout Tevez as we pretty much know what he's capable of already.
Hopefully we can get Marcelo, sounds like a good investment.
ACMILAN1983
15-08-2006, 06:39
Thanks for this news Brasileiro and Nirvana. Also thanks for the link with goals, it was fairly interesting to look at.
Can't say I know much of either of the players, but Marcelo is the one I've looked into a little. I'm not sure what to make of him yet, as I've never actually watched him play, but he seems to have potential. If we were to get him, I would expect he'd be our replacement for Serginho. However, before that I'd expect a season or two of him being loaned out before he is settled into our squad, as without European experience and at his age, it would be a lot to ask of him to fit straight into the squad.
I know some Milan officials (or people related to Milan) have gone to Brazil on "holiday". Included in the list is apparently Galliani, who we all know may not hold his position officially, but unofficially is probably still doing his job. Out of this, I am personally hoping for a little Argentine playing in Corinthians, whilst players who may have a potential future at Milan are always welcomed ;)
Nirvana FC
15-08-2006, 07:03
Obviously the majority of us will have to bow to your knowledge about these players, but Nirvana, if Marcelo is already the best LB in the world surely he would have played in the World Cup and someone would have bought him already ?
Just a thought :)
Things here in Brazil take a time to happen. In 1994, Roberto Carlos was the best LB here but he had no chance in WC 94.
I watched about 12 or 13 times Fluminense playing and Marcelo really shone in all of them. He is not only a physical specimen, like Carlos, but has very good skills and can score too.
Brasileiro
15-08-2006, 07:09
Marcelo seems like a perfect replacement for Serginho then. A player who can play left wing and left back. If we managed to get Pasquale too, then we'd be perfect at left-back for many many years.
Could it also have been that maybe there were other Milan people at the Corinthians match ? Although to be honest, we don't really need someone to scout Tevez as we pretty much know what he's capable of already.
Hopefully we can get Marcelo, sounds like a good investment.
Maybe...Coronthians game was saturday, onde day before Cruzeiro x Fluminense. But I didin´t saw any news about Galliani and Kaka father at the game.
Brasileiro
15-08-2006, 07:24
Thanks for this news Brasileiro and Nirvana. Also thanks for the link with goals, it was fairly interesting to look at.
Can't say I know much of either of the players, but Marcelo is the one I've looked into a little. I'm not sure what to make of him yet, as I've never actually watched him play, but he seems to have potential. If we were to get him, I would expect he'd be our replacement for Serginho. However, before that I'd expect a season or two of him being loaned out before he is settled into our squad, as without European experience and at his age, it would be a lot to ask of him to fit straight into the squad.
I know some Milan officials (or people related to Milan) have gone to Brazil on "holiday". Included in the list is apparently Galliani, who we all know may not hold his position officially, but unofficially is probably still doing his job. Out of this, I am personally hoping for a little Argentine playing in Corinthians, whilst players who may have a potential future at Milan are always welcomed ;)
Looking for some Marcelo video, I just found some notes that not only CSKA, but also Hamburgo and some Agents try purchase the kid. But, Marcelo said that wants to finish Brazilian Champ. to gain more experience, and make a case for Brazil NT. Thats was before Dunga called Marcelo...BTW Marcelo said that wants Italia or Spain.
As Nirvana FC said, Marcelo is a physical specimen( like Carlos) but has very good skills, dribble and can score too. In some games(that one where Marcelo made the head goal) former Fluminense coach put the kid also in Kaka role...
This kid is a mix of Carlos and Serginho(even more skilled than Serginho), and IMO working w/ Tassoti will only improve his defence.
Thanks Brasileiro for all the great info! Hopefully Milan can work something out to bring these guys into the fold. :p017:
I am personally hoping for a little Argentine playing in Corinthians, whilst players who may have a potential future at Milan are always welcomed ;)
I like the way you think 83. Of course, I tend to be greedy about such things and wouldn't mind at all getting two Argentines playing in Corinthians. But I would settle for just the little one. :1five:
Josh-Sheva
15-08-2006, 13:13
The little one?
You mean the good one :)
Believe me, they're both good ones. ;)
GilAttack [11]
15-08-2006, 13:28
Well, Emerson Leao is Corinthians' new coach and he hates argentinean players, something that could accelerate Tevez/Mascherano/Sebá departure from Timao. All this sounds too good to be true, with part of Milan's management being in Brasil and Corinthians hiring Leao.
Hopefully our guys come back to Italy with Tevez and Mascherano with them...
GilAttack [11]
29-08-2006, 15:56
Looks like Marcelo (someone said he could be the best LB in some years) is moving to CKSA Moscow.
:5horse:
guerrilla
29-08-2006, 20:11
']Looks like Marcelo (someone said he could be the best LB in some years) is moving to CKSA Moscow.
:5horse:
ohhhhhh, no!!
plz give the source.
guerrilla
01-09-2006, 07:52
from what i just read about this transfer, Fluminense didn't reach agreement with CSKA.
But Juventus was said to possibly buy Marcelo in winter transfer......
Brasileiro
02-09-2006, 16:13
']Looks like Marcelo (someone said he could be the best LB in some years) is moving to CKSA Moscow.
:5horse:
You´re right. CSKA almost purchase Marcelo...almost :cool:
Some guys here a mad at Milan directors, just hear the Marcelo to CSKA saga, and you guys will se how stupids are some(majority) brazilians "Cartolas"...
CSKA was trying to purchase Marcelo some months ago, but the kid said that don´t wants to move from fluminense this year(to gain experience, Seleção calls, and wants to go to Sapin or Italy), but the team manangers are deseperate to sell the kid.
Fluminense directors had also made a meeting with Marcelo, coercing the kid to accept the proposal, therefore Fluminese wages are delayed(players 20 days; normal employees 2 months), and they said to the kid, that if it did not accept the proposal, all in the club would be with mad of it.
It´s unbelievble!!!! This fact was divulged by O GLOBO(newspaper), and left the Fluminese suporters furious...with the spreading of this meeting to the press, Fluminense directors had asked for police reinforcement to the club...it´s unbelievble, coercing a 18 kid(that besides the age, is the big Fluminense idol today, together w/ Arouca) with arguments so cowards as these, it is a crime :1ang:
Brasileiro
04-09-2006, 19:30
Marcelo will play as starter for Brazil against Wales tomorrow(sptember 5), in England...It´s a good chance to you guys see the kid playing :smileani:
But, remeber that is 18 yers old kid playing his first game for Brazil NT...so, don´t be unfair if the kid not oto shine... :smileani:
Brasileiro
05-09-2006, 16:09
Marcelo will play as starter for Brazil against Wales tomorrow(sptember 5), in England...It´s a good chance to you guys see the kid playing :smileani:
But, remeber that is 18 yers old kid playing his first game for Brazil NT...so, don´t be unfair if the kid not oto shine... :smileani:
...and in his first start in Brazil NT, the kid even scores!!! :eekani:
we simply need to go for him. our LB's are old and Marek will never play. If he is that good - Leonardo will have some work to do!
_MaJi_tz
05-09-2006, 16:51
marcelo rules
hitmannq8
05-09-2006, 17:52
18yr old left back scoring on his debut. That must add at least 6 more million to his price tag.
oooohhhh, stop it... we are just finishing silly season....
don't start again... let the kid grow... did anybody already say that we MUST buy Elano because he scored twice the other day? and he's cheap?
Brasileiro
05-09-2006, 20:00
18yr old left back scoring on his debut. That must add at least 6 more million to his price tag.
You´re right, hitmannq8...any scrub, just called for Brazil NT, increase his value...
Now, the bad news...
Falcão(the King of Roma) said during the game, that it a guy spoked to it in the hotel, and said that was the assistent coach of Spaletti(sp?) in Roma(Falcão said, but I don´t remeber the name)...and guesses what??? Said that was there(in England) because Roma wants a LB, and they are much interested in Marcelo. :5horse:
As I said some time ago, this kid is special...I know that we have Serginho, Kaladze, Janku in the LB, but to let a team like Roma buy this kid will be a huge mistake...I just can´t see a talent at LB position like Marcelo today... this kid is a physical speciman, but blessed w/ amazing skills even for a foward or OMD...
BTW, Marcelo didn´t have amazing debut(the kid was a little shy), but it was very solid. But, puting in perspective, for a 18 years old debut in Brazil NT, it was great!! The pression of to play in Brazil NT is amazing...just look for Ronaldinho Gaucho :rolleyes:
hitmannq8
05-09-2006, 23:15
Haven't seen the kid play, but im pretty sure that Milan know about him. Just read the first reply on this topic. Milan directors were watching the Fluminese game and that game Marcelo got the man of the match. Even if they were blind they would have noticed him in that game because he was the most active player according to the match report.
So if Milan are not linked to him, that means we do not want him. Sorry to break all your hearts.
He really would have been a good replacement for Serginho as many have been saying.
Brasiliero, but Roma cannot buy him now because the window is closed, right? When does his contract expire? Is there a buy-out clause?
Brasileiro
05-09-2006, 23:51
Haven't seen the kid play, but im pretty sure that Milan know about him. Just read the first reply on this topic. Milan directors were watching the Fluminese game and that game Marcelo got the man of the match. Even if they were blind they would have noticed him in that game because he was the most active player according to the match report.
So if Milan are not linked to him, that means we do not want him. Sorry to break all your hearts.
He really would have been a good replacement for Serginho as many have been saying.
Brasiliero, but Roma cannot buy him now because the window is closed, right? When does his contract expire? Is there a buy-out clause?
You´re right...Falcao said that Roma wants Marcelo in january window.
I don´t know when his contract expires, but I know that Fluminense directors wants to sell the kid(to make cash). If I´m not wrong, CSKA almost purchase Marcelo(and Leny) for 6 MIL...the problem a was that CSKA didn´t show a money guarantee...
It makes sense for us (fans) to show an interest in Elano as Dunga keeps going on about how he will be the 'spirit' of the new Brazil team. If that's the case then it suggests that he'll feature heavily in Dunga's plans and who wouldn't want an important player for a national team? He seems perfectly capable of adding genuine quality to our midfield and improving our pool of central midfielders.
Same with Marcelo, he's on the rise so why wait to get him. How many people here have said they want Mancini, or that they wish we bought him first. Marcelo could easily be the same except a left-sided version, so why wait and let someone else get him first. Even if we loan him out to get first team experience in Italy or somewhere else in Europe, it'll be a good investment for us.
I'm not going to say we absolutely need these players, but it just makes sense to be looking at an important piece in the Brazil national team and an up & coming talent. Why wouldn't/shouldn't we be interested?
hitmannq8
06-09-2006, 07:01
Calciomercato is reporting that Roma are interested in buying 'il nuovo Roberto Carlos' lol. Dont u just love these comparisons?
I hope Roma don't get him.
Pasquale (for left-back) & Marcelo (for left wing and left-back ala Serginho) could see us fixed for the left side for many years to come.
Brasileiro
06-09-2006, 12:09
I found 2 links w/ the goals of Brazil x Wales
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tKBWF2GpzXs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c1J2PZVo3J8&mode=related&search=
hitmannq8
08-09-2006, 06:36
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=16167
seems like Juve now want to sign a pre-contract agreement with Marcelo.
We will sign Kaka, say Real Friday 8 September, 2006
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Real Madrid have told Milan fans to expect a Kaka exit in the near future. “He will come sooner or later,” said director general Predrag Mijatovic.
The Brazilian starlet was named as a proposed summer arrival by President Ramon Calderon before his election in June, but Kaka remained in Italy after extending is contract until 2010.
However, Mijatovic is now ready to bet on the fact that the 24-year-old midfielder will one day play with the Merengues.
“Kaka represented one of the promises made to our supporters by Calderon, who knows it would be important to have such a high-quality player on our team,” he told the AS newspaper.
“During the summer we had several conversations with Kaka and his agent and I honestly believed that we could reach an agreement.
“The player expressed his wish to come here and the complicated situation caused by the match-fixing scandal made me think that Kaka would finally land in Madrid,” he continued.
“In the end, Milan did not allow him to leave and he preferred not to put any pressure on his club, which he is very fond of.
“But we are sure that he will come sooner or later,” added the former Fiorentina striker.
Mijatovic’s latest Kaka related statement is almost certain to infuriate Milan who declared war on the Spaniards this summer over their attempts to net the South American.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sep8d.html
Milan block Kaka exit Friday 8 September, 2006
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Milan have again warned Real Madrid to forget about signing Kaka. “If they want to strengthen, they must look elsewhere,” said chief Adriano Galliani.
The latter made the statement after reading the comments of Real director general Predrag Mijatovic, who insisted the 24-year-old would one day join the Merengues.
“I do not intend to cause any controversy, but we do not allow such behaviour,” stated Galliani. “We are not a branch of another club.
“I met President Ramon Calderon and we spoke to each other,” added the Rossoneri official. “Milan are a great club with a great President and our recent history outweighs Real Madrid’s.
“We are not in a state of psychological subjection, if the Spanish club needs new players then this is not the right place to come.”
The former Lega Calcio chief has also insisted that Kaka has never asked to leave Italy, a reason why the South American extended his contract until 2010 in the summer.
“Let’s take Chelsea as an example,” continued Galliani. “They chased Andriy Shevchenko for three years and we always said no.
“A negotiation started with the Premiership club only when the player expressed his desire to leave, but this is not the case with Kaka.”
Real Madrid, however, consider Kaka the only true alternative to the retired Zinedine Zidane and have not yet ruled out the idea of seeing him at the Santiago Bernabeu.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sep8g.html
Surely we can go to Fifa or Uefa about this? This is becoming annoying and quite frankly we should start taking legal action against them until those t**ts learn to shut the hell up.
Yes, he will be in madrid when Milan decide that we no longer need him.....that will be in 10 years time, ask them to wait.
Now they admit to illegal approach to our player so UEFA still doesn't punish them?
joumasepoes
10-09-2006, 02:30
As long as he has a contract with Milan you have nothing to worry about. Its only up to Milan to release him Even if he hands in a transfer request, Milan can still force him to stay here. Now apparently Calderon made an illegal approach to him somewhere during the world cup. I dont see this as any real different to the Chelsea Cole saga, so i guess fifa/uefa could fine madrid if they wish to take the matter further.
Brasileiro
18-09-2006, 13:41
_MaJi_tz and Iked I just found this site w/ some goals of Fluminense...
Is in portuguese, so you guys scroll down to Copa Do Brasil 2006 and Campeonato Brasileiro 2006 look to the rigth side to find Marcelo name and click to save(or open)...
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/CpBrasil%202006/06vil22b.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/CpBrasil%202006/06cru10.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06cap21a.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06gre44c.rm
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06cru32a.rm
It isn´t a MIX(just goals) but you guys can have a glimpse of Marcelo.
If time isn´t a problem, you can try to look the other goals, and maybe find some Marcelo assists...remeber, only in Copa do Brasil 2006 and Cameponato Brasileiro 2006
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos2006.html
Since this forum is almost dead, and Marcelo was amazing in Fluminense game yersterday, I decided to post some new Marcelo videos that I found:
Marcelo against Wales in his debut at Brazil NT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b3nSnoXg4A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKBWF2GpzXs
Marcelo great play yersterday for the first goal of fluminense(Petkovic goal):
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06fig20a.rm
guerrilla
19-09-2006, 20:34
wonderful boy!
Alves + Marcelo as our full back
is my dream.
Since this forum is almost dead, and Marcelo was amazing in Fluminense game yersterday, I decided to post some new Marcelo videos that I found:
Marcelo against Wales in his debut at Brazil NT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b3nSnoXg4A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKBWF2GpzXs
Marcelo great play yersterday for the first goal of fluminense(Petkovic goal):
http://www.flumania.com.br/videos/Brasil%202006/06fig20a.rm
They are both great players, but Im not sure I want Milan to lose its identity with too many Brazilians. We already have quite a few and with the regulations its not wise either.
guerrilla
20-09-2006, 10:56
i agree,
but Kafu and Serginho will leave Milan soon,
so it won't be "too many". :)
They are both great players, but Im not sure I want Milan to lose its identity with too many Brazilians. We already have quite a few and with the regulations its not wise either.
I still have hopes for Zambrotta - maybe next year will buy him
I heard that alves is set to go to real - i dont know maybe are just rumours
I dont know how good is in defence Marcelinho
Brasileiro
20-09-2006, 11:35
i agree,
but Kafu and Serginho will leave Milan soon,
so it won't be "too many". :)
You´re right, guerrilla...
Cafu and Serginho will leave Milan soon, so I don´t see the numbers of Brazilians increasing.
BTW, Barcelona, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla are teams "full of brazilians" and are suceffull. Milan always had a balanced team(italians and foreigns), and IMO(maybe biased :embarass: ) Italians(since that they are good players) and brazilians(idem) are a great combination.
Brasileiro
20-09-2006, 11:45
I still have hopes for Zambrotta - maybe next year will buy him
I heard that alves is set to go to real - i dont know maybe are just rumours
I dont know how good is in defence Marcelinho
marcovb, I see Marcelo like Alves when played for my tam(Bahia)before going to Spain. The kid has the potential to be a very good defender, and just need to work on this area. BTW, Marcelo just completed 18 this year, and is showing a maturity beyond its age. Even Dunga praised the kid after his debut in Brazil NT, saying that it shows a great tactical obedience(when played for Brazil), therefore it had that to change his stile(a little) for to play in Brazil...So, I don´t see problems for him to adapt in Europe.
About his tactical skills i have some doubts but i've only seen him playing against wales
From what you say this kid could have a good future
Brasileiro
20-09-2006, 17:02
About his tactical skills i have some doubts but i've only seen him playing against wales
From what you say this kid could have a good future
It´s normal to have some doubts...we are talking about a 18 yo player that wednesday play as winger, and sunday as LB :)
But, this 18yo will be the best LB in the world(as I said some months ago). Some press people around the world are comparing Marcelo to R. Carlos, but the only things that makes sense are the physical atributes(Marcelos is more tall: 1,74m), and shot. But in terms of talent, skills, QI, drible, vision isn´t even funny...only a injure, new bad habits or Capello can ruin this kid :)
guerrilla
20-09-2006, 22:27
i would prefer Italians + Brazilians + French
You´re right, guerrilla...
Cafu and Serginho will leave Milan soon, so I don´t see the numbers of Brazilians increasing.
BTW, Barcelona, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla are teams "full of brazilians" and are suceffull. Milan always had a balanced team(italians and foreigns), and IMO(maybe biased :embarass: ) Italians(since that they are good players) and brazilians(idem) are a great combination.
joumasepoes
21-09-2006, 00:20
Milan may not buy marcelo or alves this season as they have already bought a non EU player, Oliveira, and they may only acquire 1 per season. I dont know if Alves is a non EU yet but mercelo isnt, say we have to wait and see to next term
Brasileiro
21-09-2006, 09:22
Milan may not buy marcelo or alves this season as they have already bought a non EU player, Oliveira, and they may only acquire 1 per season. I dont know if Alves is a non EU yet but mercelo isnt, say we have to wait and see to next term
Alves is a EU player(spanish)...but to be honest, looking for ours politics of transferences, I can´t see Milan purchasing Marcelo :(
Regarding Alves, it confirmed yersterdy that the Real Madrid tried to change him for Cicinho in the last day of transferences, but Cicinho but it didn´t accept to go for the Sevilla...
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 07:55
I don't know if this is just a late reiterration of what was posted here initially or there are some new developements on the matter, but here is some food for our dreams :):
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sep23g.html
This is good news if it's recent and not an old story being retold.
With a bit of luck he might be in our side (or at least on our books and loaned out somewhere) in the near future.
With the amount of quality players we are linked to only to be dissapointed Im not expecting anything. :5milan:
Maybe we will sign him when he is 30 though. :1whis:
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 15:46
With the amount of quality players we are linked to only to be dissapointed Im not expecting anything. :5milan:
Maybe we will sign him when he is 30 though. :1whis:
and chances are we would do so to rejuvanate the squad :diablo:
Thats just a low blow :devf: When we were after Gallas my friend kept saying he was too young for us :rolleyes: :coffee: I didnt really have much of a defence other than the usual cliches to do with experience which dont even apply after a certain point.
Brasileiro
23-09-2006, 17:32
I don't know if this is just a late reiterration of what was posted here initially or there are some new developements on the matter, but here is some food for our dreams :):
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sep23g.html
Thanks for the link, zlatanov.
Maybe this guy in Channel4 read my post in Milanmania :confused: :D :proud:
The truth is that the more I watch Marcelo play, more I believe in my affirmation that this kid will be the best at LB for years!!!
Last week I saw Oswaldo de Oliveira(brazilian coach that trained kaka in Sao Paulo, and this year, put Marcelo as starter in Fluminense w/ just 17yo) saying in a TV show, that he has the same feeling in Marcelo, that it saw watching Kaka developing. The coach said that after Kaká, only Marcelo gave him the impression of a star in the making...and knowing the personality of this boy, expect Marcelo to find a role in Milan team in the first year.
You are officially the Brazillian branch of Milanmania :sagrin:
One question, how highly do you rate Cichinio?
Brasileiro
24-09-2006, 09:16
You are officially the Brazillian branch of Milanmania :sagrin:
One question, how highly do you rate Cichinio?
Thanks, K77SH C :5ok:
Cicinho...this guy for me is a mystery. Cicinho is amazing going foward, but I nor need to say as it is for defending. Some people say that Cicinho could be a great playing in Mancine(Roma) role . But, everytime that I saw this guy playing as winger in R. Madrid, it performed lower than the expect...the thing that bothers me(and Brazil NT coach Dunga, as it showed in the last Brazil games)is the lacks of concetration in the game. The guy has all the tools to be a good defender, but is always out of position...
IMO Cicinho could be a great RB, but his team needs to create a special scheme for him...even for brazilians standards of RB defence, Cicinho is below average :rollani:
My rank of brazilians RB:
1º Daniel Alves
2º Cafu, Cicinho, Maicon, Rafinha, Eduardo Ratinho(Corinthians)
3º Denis(Santos)
4º Beletti
Im really not a fan of Cichinio and would probably put him in your fourth division. I like what I have seen of Maicon though.
Maicon is a powerful player, strong physically and was a good purchase by Inter.
Baldini is going shopping in Brazil for the January window it seems. Apparently he has his eye on Lenílson and Ilsinho of Sao Paulo, Edmílson of Paraná??, Lucas of Grêmio and everyone's favourite Marcelo of Fluminense.
What with Gago also on the table for Barca & Real, it seems we may be picking from their leftovers.
You can be assured that if either of these two clubs sounds out some young talents, they won't then decide against it and come back empty handed like we did.
It doesn't matter if there isn't a place for them here at this very moment, we can always loan them out. The main thing is to secure players like this as quickly as possible, something we don't seem to be able to do at times.
Won't we have to release 1 Non-EU player for each one we sign ?
joumasepoes
07-10-2006, 01:42
Lenílson and Ilsinho of Sao Paulo, Edmílson of Paraná??, Lucas of Grêmio and everyone's favourite Marcelo of Fluminense
Dont you mean Denilson and Celsinho or are this completely different guys were talking about. Im glad about Lucas, he is better than ALL those players, yes including marcelo. Dont believe me? Well then just wait and see.
hitmannq8
07-10-2006, 12:45
Tonight Lucas, Marcelo, Kaka, Ronaldinho and alot more will be playing against Kuwait football club. Everyone in kuwait is attending the game! I wish i could watch the game but I cant!
Brasileiro
07-10-2006, 13:10
Dont you mean Denilson and Celsinho or are this completely different guys were talking about. Im glad about Lucas, he is better than ALL those players, yes including marcelo. Dont believe me? Well then just wait and see.
No, is Lenilson(OM of Sao Paulo), that is a normal player. I dont understand the hype :rollani: ...and the other is Ilsinho(RB of Sao Paulo), people always talks about his potential, and the guy almost go to Villareal, but is early to talk about Ilsinho game...
I´m high on Lucas, that is playing amazing football here, and deserve the call for Brazil NT. But Lucas isn´t better than Marcelo...and I´m not bashing Lucas, just Marcelo talent is amazing!!!
guerrilla
13-10-2006, 10:09
it is reported that Marcelo will join RM in Jan 2007......
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1309278-4284,00.html
Brasileiro
13-10-2006, 14:05
it is reported that Marcelo will join RM in Jan 2007......
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1309278-4284,00.html
now, that is a sad news...
If that is true i'd be quite annoyed that we let someone with his potential slip through our fingers.
However, there's a bit on Calciomercato about how Juve & Inter are monitoring Lucas, although they believe that Atletico Madrid will be his destination as the Spanish club has been tracking him for 3 years or so now (apparently).
But it says that Gremio want 8 million euros and 1% of his next sell on fee for Lucas. Doesn't that sound quite cheap? Maybe our members from Brazil can update us on the Lucas affair and comment on his recent peformances for club & country.
What about the Non-EU spaces. Are we allowed to buy another after Oliveira? and if we are allowed to get someone in January, will it mean that we can't buy another no-EU player in summer 2007?
I know that we are allowed one per year from outside of Italy. However I never really quite understood that. It does say per year I think.....or does it say per season?
joumasepoes
21-10-2006, 04:16
What about the Non-EU spaces. Are we allowed to buy another after Oliveira? and if we are allowed to get someone in January, will it mean that we can't buy another no-EU player in summer 2007?
I know that we are allowed one per year from outside of Italy. However I never really quite understood that. It does say per year I think.....or does it say per season?
Oliveira was is Spain long enough, so his EU. The EU rule is 1 non EU from ABROAD per season and not per year. So we can still buy 1. Lucas from Gremio has Italian roots so he would be an EU. So maybe Milan can buy him and Marcelo in 1 go. But of course marcelo has been linked with a move to RM in Jan
Reports in Spain suggest that the Marcelo to Real deal will be officially announced tomorrow. They say Real paid 6.3 million euros ... which is nothing :(
I guess that leaves Pasquale as one of the better young left-backs around.
joumasepoes
22-10-2006, 10:40
Pasquele is a good option. But what about Zambrotta. he can play LB and RB, If he is not happy in Jan maybe Milan can grab him, or even next season?
joumasepoes
22-10-2006, 10:53
Ok people my worst fear is official. From Tribalfootball:
"The agent of Fluminense wing-back Marcelo has revealed the teenager is on his way to Real Madrid.
Reinaldo Pitta declared yesterday: "The conditions are complete because the transfer will be made officially tomorrow. Only minor details are now lacking."
Real will pay £4.3 million to Fluminense for the Brazil international. There was talk of Marcelo joining Real in January, though it's believed the deal will be confirmed for the end of this season."
Darn! how could we let such a great LB go! And only for 4.3m?
guerrilla
23-10-2006, 07:36
that's ok, actually.
when he is over 30, he can join us free, and it will save us 4.3M :dontkn:
joumasepoes, i was talking about young left-backs.
I've mentioned this before, but i personally think that we would be best off with 1 experienced/older left-back and 1 younger left-back. For the first group i had Abidal & Zambrotta in mind, for the second i had Marcelo & Pasquale in mind.
rosoneri_11
23-10-2006, 12:09
For me the best left fullbacks for milan is:
Dede from Dortmud
Riise
Abidal
Schulz
joumasepoes
24-10-2006, 00:06
joumasepoes, i was talking about young left-backs.
I've mentioned this before, but i personally think that we would be best off with 1 experienced/older left-back and 1 younger left-back. For the first group i had Abidal & Zambrotta in mind, for the second i had Marcelo & Pasquale in mind.
I was actually saying Zambrotta as RB. But if theres young LB you want here are other names: Taye Taiwo (french team), CHiellini (juve -doubt theyll sell him),and maybe wayne bridge coz he said he doesnt want to be back up
rosoneri_11
24-10-2006, 01:19
How about zaccardo??
Brasileiro
26-10-2006, 12:14
If that is true i'd be quite annoyed that we let someone with his potential slip through our fingers.
However, there's a bit on Calciomercato about how Juve & Inter are monitoring Lucas, although they believe that Atletico Madrid will be his destination as the Spanish club has been tracking him for 3 years or so now (apparently).
But it says that Gremio want 8 million euros and 1% of his next sell on fee for Lucas. Doesn't that sound quite cheap? Maybe our members from Brazil can update us on the Lucas affair and comment on his recent peformances for club & country.
Jim, 8 millions for Lucas is a shame(for the Grêmio)...and 6,5 milllions for Marcelo...man, what I can say...Even if Milan will not have interest to bring the kid right now, only for the investment point view, is a win-win business!!
Back to Lucas, Jim...this kid is special. Lucas is one of this "makes of everything" midfields. Lucas play in G. Silva role(DM) in Grêmio, but has much more quality, and can play also in anothers roles in the MID. I don´t know how you guys classify this type of MID in Europe, but Lucas is the type of Mid that defend(as a DM) and go to offense like a OMD...
Rosoneri 11, Zaccardo is a right-back, although this season he's been playing in the middle of defence with Barzagli.
I agree completely with you Brasiliero about the financial/investment side of things for these two players. If (and it's a big if) those figures i quoted are accurate, which i doubt, but say they are, that would be 14.5 million euros. That's about as much as Atletico Madrid still owe us! We could get them both without actually spending any money.
Lucas sounds like an exciting player. Is he tall? Quick? Good shot on him?
guerrilla
31-10-2006, 23:15
Does they want Nilmar?
it seems that Lyon wants get Nilmar back for Fred's seriously wooded.
Brasileiro
04-11-2006, 20:48
Rosoneri 11, Zaccardo is a right-back, although this season he's been playing in the middle of defence with Barzagli.
I agree completely with you Brasiliero about the financial/investment side of things for these two players. If (and it's a big if) those figures i quoted are accurate, which i doubt, but say they are, that would be 14.5 million euros. That's about as much as Atletico Madrid still owe us! We could get them both without actually spending any money.
Lucas sounds like an exciting player. Is he tall? Quick? Good shot on him?
Jim, some reliable sites here said that Fluminese ask 6.5 millions(6 for the club, and half for the kid) for Marcelo. Fluminese are desesperate for money!! Gremio is in a better financial situation, and gave A. Madrid Lucas for just 8 millions...but A. Madrid did not pay the first parcel, and Gremio said that is open to negociate w/ another team, but will ask for more( the famous Seleção valuation). Fluminense also said that the preference letter that they had given to R. Madrid is not more valid...and in Brazil(an Spain) some reliable pappers are saying the Monchi(Sevilla manager and head scout) is moving mountains to contract Marcelo, because it needs the approval of the Sevilla board, for the release of the money. Even w/ Sevilla having 3 LB, they are saying that Monchi believe that Marcelo will be the new Daniel Alves(in LB) for Sevilla...
Regarding Lucas: 1,79m and 74 kg...the guy is a litlle skkiny, but is very strong(and physical) in defence, very accurate in pass, and w/ a very good shot from distance. In the begining of Brazilian championship, the guy was being booking to much because he was being very aggressive. But Lucas find a balance, and is being less booked since...The tipical "all the field" mid.
Lucas profile:
http://www.gremio.net/player/view.aspx?id=17&language=0
Sounds like we will miss out on both of these players :(
Higuain is being lined up for a move to France too. While i don't want us to just buy prospects, it would be nice if we were actively seeking these players out.
Jim, you mean to say Milan actually sign players? :ilol:
yes Kash ... and as if my questions were answered, Calciomercato has not 1 but 2 articles about Braida being in South America looking at talents :D They took these from ControCampo? and Gazetta dello Sport.
Both articles talk about Braida looking at Evaldo and Lucas of Gremio during the match against Internacional and looking at Marcelo of Fluminense and Fabao of Sao Paulo. It then speaks of Braida looking at Gago & Higuain.
That's a start at least, lets hope it doesn't descend into another Sobis situation "Yeah we'll buy you ... ummm actually, nah ... we don't want you now".
Lucas, Marcelo, Gago & Higuain please :grinser:
rahul.acm
06-11-2006, 08:23
Milan search for new Kaka
Milan general manager Ariedo Brieda will travel to South America in the hope of unearthing another young starlet. The Rossoneri already have Brazilians Kaka, Ricardo Oliveira, Dida, Cafu and Serginho on their books and club chief Adriano Galliani confirmed they were looking for more.
"Ariedo will go to South America for around 15 to 20 days," said Galliani.
"He has already made some great finds, like he did with Kaka. Appropriate talents are to be economically affordable.
"Signings like Ronaldinho are possible when the player is still at Gremio or Paris-Saint Germain.
"But when he is at a club like Barcelona, you can't get him unless you pay 60 or 70 million euros [£40-46 million]"
Gremio midfielder Lucas Pezzini is reportedly on Milan's radar, with Inter and Juventus also interested.
The 19-year-old has an EU passport courtesy of his Italian origins, and had been compared with holding players such as Emerson and Dunga.
http://www.eurosport.com/football/serie-a/2006-2007/sport_sto1002207.shtml
Brasileiro
06-11-2006, 11:30
Milan search for new Kaka
Milan general manager Ariedo Brieda will travel to South America in the hope of unearthing another young starlet. The Rossoneri already have Brazilians Kaka, Ricardo Oliveira, Dida, Cafu and Serginho on their books and club chief Adriano Galliani confirmed they were looking for more.
"Ariedo will go to South America for around 15 to 20 days," said Galliani.
"He has already made some great finds, like he did with Kaka. Appropriate talents are to be economically affordable.
"Signings like Ronaldinho are possible when the player is still at Gremio or Paris-Saint Germain.
"But when he is at a club like Barcelona, you can't get him unless you pay 60 or 70 million euros [£40-46 million]"
Gremio midfielder Lucas Pezzini is reportedly on Milan's radar, with Inter and Juventus also interested.
The 19-year-old has an EU passport courtesy of his Italian origins, and had been compared with holding players such as Emerson and Dunga.
http://www.eurosport.com/football/serie-a/2006-2007/sport_sto1002207.shtml
Braida was yesterday in Gremio x Internacional game(in prtuguese):
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1339388-4284,00.html
This site(globo.com) is reliable...and are saying that Braida is here looking 4 players(Lucas, Evaldo, Fabão and Marcelo).
Lucas(MD) and Marcelo(LB)have game to be in Milan. This Evaldo guy(CB), I really don´t know. Fabão(CB) is a physical specimen, but isn´t Milan material.
The good news in Marcelo case is that the kid had a drop in form. Fluminese team is a mess, and Marcelo that was one of the 3 bright spots of the team(Arouca and Thiago Silva are the others) is playing bad right now. So, teams that are public after him(like Lyon and R. Madrid) are offering less money, as you can see in this news(in portuguese):
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1339403-4284,00.html
zlatanov
06-11-2006, 12:31
well, brasileiro, with Marcelo playing bad other teams may be offering less money but at the same time Braida won't be exactly impressed by what he's seeing. Unless of course Milan, through leonardo, have been tracking him for some time.
But let's wait and see - these 4 are just a fraction of the names that will be linked to Milan in the days till the end of February ;)
hitmannq8
06-11-2006, 12:51
Hmm i dont understand why they are looking for 'phenomenal' midfielders. I know thats not what they said exactly but the way Galliani said he is find new players, just like Kaka makes me think that.
We need defenders, wing-backs, central midfielders, and a striker. I think they are just saying that so make the fans think they are actually doing something so we keep quiet.
Brasileiro
06-11-2006, 13:52
well, brasileiro, with Marcelo playing bad other teams may be offering less money but at the same time Braida won't be exactly impressed by what he's seeing. Unless of course Milan, through leonardo, have been tracking him for some time.
But let's wait and see - these 4 are just a fraction of the names that will be linked to Milan in the days till the end of February ;)
Agree...when big teams are in trouble, the "being linked" starts.
zlatanov, I believe(hope) that unlike teams like Real Madrid(Baldini is trying to fix this), our team has a very good scout net, and several reports about players. I said this because when we brought Kaká, the guy was in bad form in São Paulo team(to be fair, 1 year later Kaká was MVP of Brasileirão), and this did not hinder the negotiation.
I understand your point, but I really doubt that teams famous for to find young pearls like Lyon or Sevilla will be deceived by some bad games. Marcelo is shining since South American U-17, U-17 WC, in 3/4 of Brasileirão, and was very good also in Brazil NT. So, they are taking advantage of Marcelo bad form, to pay less(or not). It´s also public and well-known that Fluminese is deseperate for money(poor team)...
BTW, Braida still did not see Marcelo to play. Braida will be in the next Fluminense game...
Leonardo also played in Marcelo position and is very close to Dunga and Jorginho(asistant coach of Brazil), so Leo may has some insiders about Marcelo...who knows????
Brasileiro
06-11-2006, 13:56
Hmm i dont understand why they are looking for 'phenomenal' midfielders. I know thats not what they said exactly but the way Galliani said he is find new players, just like Kaka makes me think that.
We need defenders, wing-backs, central midfielders, and a striker. I think they are just saying that so make the fans think they are actually doing something so we keep quiet.
Here in Brazil we are linked w/ 1 LB/WB in Marcelo and a CM in Lucas...
BTW, after Brazil, Braida will go to Argentine.
www.channel4.com.
In the meantime, Milan transfer guru Ariedo Braida will travel to Brazil and Argentina this week as he searches for possible transfer targets, according to Vice-President Adriano Galliani.
“Ariedo will stay in South America for 15 or 20 days,” said Galliani. “He has already eyed some interesting players, just like he did in the past with Kaka.
“Signing talents like Ronaldinho is possible when they are still at Gremio or PSG, but if they move to larger clubs like Barcelona, you can't sign them for less than £40m.”
Milan have reportedly targeted Lucas Pezzini Leiva and Evaldo Silva Santos, both currently contracted with Gremio.
The 19-year-old Pezzini, who also has an Italian passport, is set to leave the Brazilian club in January and has also been eyed by Atletico Madrid, whereas Evaldo could move at the end of the season.
does anybody know about those players?
Graeme C
06-11-2006, 17:24
Pezzini has been compared to Emerson and dunga, more of a holding midfield player.. i duno about the other guy..
Brasileiro
06-11-2006, 19:02
does anybody know about those players?
Lucas is a DM, but I don´t like Emerson comparison...the only similarity(IMO) are that both came from Grêmio youths sistem.
Lucas has more pace, ability, better pass, and can create more than Emerson...
Brasilero these factors are great, but has he th epotential to be as good a defensive midfielder as Emerson?
Lucas is a DM, but I don´t like Emerson comparison...the only similarity(IMO) are that both came from Grêmio youths sistem.
Lucas has more pace, ability, better pass, and can create more than Emerson...
Milan should hire you as their Brazilian consultant :devf:
Keep updating us on Brazilian prospects, mate, you're doing a great job :)
Brasileiro
06-11-2006, 21:18
Brasilero these factors are great, but has he th epotential to be as good a defensive midfielder as Emerson?
IMO Lucas can be a much better defensive mid, K77SH C...
Lucas has more pace, quikness, and play more strong than his body...and I´m not even talking about going up front to create game :smileani:
Brasileiro
06-11-2006, 21:24
Milan should hire you as their Brazilian consultant :devf:
Keep updating us on Brazilian prospects, mate, you're doing a great job :)
Thanks for the words, Vadim :) and any doubt on brazilian prospects, just ask me! I will try to make my best :devf:
I wonder if they'll show any streams of Gremio matches this weekend..I'll be sure to watch.
joumasepoes
06-11-2006, 23:50
IMO Lucas can be a much better defensive mid, K77SH C...
Lucas has more pace, quikness, and play more strong than his body...and I´m not even talking about going up front to create game :smileani:
Bring on the Lucas!
hitmannq8
07-11-2006, 01:49
Milan search for new Kaka
Milan general manager Ariedo Brieda will travel to South America in the hope of unearthing another young starlet. The Rossoneri already have Brazilians Kaka, Ricardo Oliveira, Dida, Cafu and Serginho on their books and club chief Adriano Galliani confirmed they were looking for more.
"Ariedo will go to South America for around 15 to 20 days," said Galliani.
"He has already made some great finds, like he did with Kaka. Appropriate talents are to be economically affordable.
"Signings like Ronaldinho are possible when the player is still at Gremio or Paris-Saint Germain.
"But when he is at a club like Barcelona, you can't get him unless you pay 60 or 70 million euros [£40-46 million]"
Gremio midfielder Lucas Pezzini is reportedly on Milan's radar, with Inter and Juventus also interested.
The 19-year-old has an EU passport courtesy of his Italian origins, and had been compared with holding players such as Emerson and Dunga.
http://www.eurosport.com/football/serie-a/2006-2007/sport_sto1002207.shtml
To tell you the truth I was really happy when I read that, but come to think of it, we may actually end up with nothing. Remember how Galliani and Braida went to Brazil/Arg during the summer transfer window? They went to find a striker? They tried to get Sobis but they failed and came back to Milan with nothing? They also went to Real Madrid to get Ronaldo and came back with nothing. This trip does not necessarily mean we will sign 5 players in Jan, infact we will most likely end up with no one (if our transfer policy remains the same).
Im really hoping for Marcelo, not so much for Lucas. I also would like someone to be a substitute for Kaka. And another world class midfielder to substitute between Pirlo/Gourcuff/Seedorf and prolly someone to replace Gattuso (maybe even permanently). But still, midfield isnt our priority, this would only be the final touches.
IMO, the most important is a striker that will not need time to fit in the team and start getting goals immediately, and prolly a CB. A RB also. Damn, I know I've said we need like 7 players but to tell you the truth, we really do need that many players. We cant compete with Chelsea, Barca, Real and teams like that with subs in the likes of Ambrosini, Brocchi, Kaladze, Simic, Boriello, Costacurta, and Bonera.
I know its extremely unrealistic, but also wrong to just change 7 players in one window, but I'd like it if they slowly start doing it. They have already made a mistake in not starting a year ago buying younger players to replace Serginho, Cafu, Maldini, Costacurta etc. Maybe this Jan we can get a striker, and a RB, that is where we urgently need help. Then maybe if we have time to negotiate for an attacking midfielder to rest Kaka or to replace Kaka if he gets injured, or maybe even a CB.
We are goin to be linked to aloooooot of names in the next 2 weeks cuz of Braida's presence in South America. I will try not to believe everything even though I really will wish part of it will be true.
hitmannq8
07-11-2006, 02:17
Just went to calciomercato and it says that after Braida viewed the Santos-Sao Paolo game (scouting Fabao), he took off from Brazil and is now in Argentina to scout more young talents, 2 players in particular: Fernando Gago (Boca) and Hugain (River).
Wat do you guys think he made of his Brazil trip? My bet is nothing, seeing as there are no rumours linking him with any negotiations with any club thus far.
If he comes back with Higuain and Gago I would be thrilled. But latest realistic news are that Emerson wants Milan transfer, and im sure Milan has him in their minds as well as those young Brasilians. But I do hope we will find some great RB,as Cafu is over! Cassano, Higuani, Gago, and Oddo :) ( Its just a joke but sounds nice )
_MaJi_tz
07-11-2006, 06:24
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=22741
braida likes kerlon too
braida likes a lot of great players, problem is he never buys them but instead goes for bargain material
To tell you the truth I was really happy when I read that, but come to think of it, we may actually end up with nothing. Remember how Galliani and Braida went to Brazil/Arg during the summer transfer window? They went to find a striker? They tried to get Sobis but they failed and came back to Milan with nothing?
I don't believe this. since Sobis went to Betis I think it is prudent to say that Oliveira was our first choice in this case. We would have got Sobis instead if we wanted.
Marcelo I fear will probably go to Real though. I have this distinct feeling he will be a massive player and that whoever gets him will be "lucky".
Brasileiro
07-11-2006, 20:07
I don't believe this. since Sobis went to Betis I think it is prudent to say that Oliveira was our first choice in this case. We would have got Sobis instead if we wanted.
Marcelo I fear will probably go to Real though. I have this distinct feeling he will be a massive player and that whoever gets him will be "lucky".
Kris,
I remember an quote of Oswaldo de Oliveira(former coach of Kaká in São Paulo, and Marcelo in Fluminense), where the coach said that when he saw Marcelo to play for the first time(he was the coach that put Marcelo as a starter this season w/ only 17yo) had the same sensation of when he saw the young Kaká to play for the first time...that it was ahead of a differentiated player.
BTW, seems that the Sevilla goes to be the destination of Marcelo(in portuguese):
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1341954-4284,00.html
The article is in portuguese, but said that only Real Madrid, CSKA and Juve made real bids for the player...and the unbelievble thing is that Fluminense is only asking for 5 millions...
What do some of you have to say about Carlos Alberto. I have only seen him play in 3 games, and he does display great skill all the time. He is only 21, is an attacking midfielder and I didn't know this....but he played for Porto under Mourinho in the year they won the CL. He actually scored a goal against Monaco in the final. I think he is a very skillfull player that has a bright future, however seems to have some problems with his attitude.
If anyone else does know something about himand has seen him play, can you please give some oppinion on him.
hitmannq8
08-11-2006, 03:10
btw, i remember reading an article about Anderson (from Porto, the player that is said to be half Rivaldo half Ronaldinho), he said his dream was to play for Milan. ATM Barca are hot on his heels and want to sign him asap. He is having a GREAT season this yr with Porto and if you really want to see him just look at any porto game. He starts every game and is always their best player. Check him out guys, we dont need to sign Ronaldinho for 80m when there are players almost just as good for around 10m!
That rumour was around last week that Sevilla wanted Marcelo. They see him as a left-sided Alves.
English reports say Chelsea and Man Utd want Higuain. Calciomercato say Real Madrid want him too.
There are just too many. Marcelo, Gago, Lucas, Diego, Anderson, Carlos Alberto, Higuain, Kerlon ... we can't buy them all.
rahul.acm
08-11-2006, 06:46
Boca no vende a Gago al Madrid
Mauricio Macri, presidente de Boca Juniors, dijo el martes que no tiene la intención de traspasar a su figura, el mediocentro Fernando Gago.
El máximo mandatario de Boca quiso frenar las informaciones que sitúan a Gago en el Real Madrid. “No hay ninguna posibilidad de que Fernando Gago se marche en enero al Real Madrid ni a ningún club. Nuestra intención es contar con el jugador hasta julio de 2007. Y hasta esa fecha no hay posibilidades que sea traspasado a ningún club”.
Gago es una de las figuras del futbol argentino y su salida sería muy lamentada por los aficionados.
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/707129.html
This is pretty reliable source for Madrid related stuff! However i had read earlier that Macri is good friends with Laporta, may be that is why Macri is denying Madrid the chance of signing Higuain and instead he may go to Barca.
We can probably forget about Higuain, which is a shame. I stated earlier that he was looking for a move to France, which turns out to be what his father wants him to do because of his French origins.
However, Higuain's agent is that b*stard Pini Zhavi, or whatever his name is, the leech of football, the biggest super agent in the world. He was the one who helped take Tevez & Mascherano to West Ham in that mysterious transfer and he also has (i think) half the rights to Higuain. This is why Zhavi is trying to get Higuain to go to the Premiership and Chelsea in particular because of his relations with Abramovich. Man Utd are a distant second.
I'd be surprised if Higuain went anywhere else other than England because of that t*sser Zhavi. Even if he did come here, Higuain would constantly be linked with Chelsea because of Zhavi's ties to Abramovich. Just like we are always linked to Ronaldinho because of Oliveira's agent.
I'd like to see him here, but i can't see it happening.
Brasileiro
08-11-2006, 16:45
Braida is right now in Rio(looking Marcelo)...after that will be in São Paulo(to watch Fabão)and go to Argentine watch Higuaín, Gago and Rodrigo Palacio...
nothing new, the same names...
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1343075-1306,00.html
joumasepoes
08-11-2006, 23:54
Braida is right now in Rio(looking Marcelo)...after that will be in São Paulo(to watch Fabão)and go to Argentine watch Higuaín, Gago and Rodrigo Palacio...
nothing new, the same names...
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1343075-1306,00.html
Palacio is kool. too much comp for higuain. 1 question brasileiro: What do you think of Kerlon? (Inter are tracking him)
So are we joumasepoes. Kerlon is no doubt on Braida's watch list.
Another name has cropped up, Joao Leonardo de Paula Reginato of Athletico Paranaense. What can you tell us about him Brasiliero? :p286:
rosoneri_11
09-11-2006, 05:57
Bad news about Marcelo!!!
From:http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=17631
Real Madrid clinch £4M deal for Fluminense starlet Marcelo
tribalfooball.com - November 09, 2006
Real Madrid are confident they have a deal for Fluminense wing-back Marcelo.
Despite a rival offer from Sevilla of £4 million upfront and interest from Inter and AC Milan, Fluminense have accepted Real's staggered bid of £2 million immediately and another £2 million at a later date.
A Real source told AS: "The key is the boy wants to come to Madrid. Nobody can break his will. There are better offers , but the boy has his heart set on Madrid."
The deal was struck between Real and Flu yesterday after 72 hours of intense negotiations.
It's expected that Real will soon announce Marcelo's signing and then seek to loan him to another European club for the second-half of the season as the teenager does not carry a European passport.
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They said this a couple of weeks ago aswell. Maybe this time they have it right. For some reason the boy is deluded and thinks Madrid is a good move, the poor kid!
There's also reports we could lose out to them for Higuain. For once i just wish we'd get 3 or 4 of these 'talents' ahead of all the other teams.
hitmannq8
09-11-2006, 14:05
yeah, even Inter beat us this summer when we tried to sign Ibra or Crespo. Same with Sobis who preferred Betis. Same with Ronaldo who preferred Inter. We need to start attracting players with good financial offers. It will be something really sad if we lose out on Marcelo, afterall Cicinho was all set for Milan but then a day later he signed for Real right from under our noses.
I think you're wrong about Sobis hitman. We had him in the bag, he wanted to join us more than anyone else, he'd spents ages on the internet looking up facts about Milan. However, we decided not to finalise the deal for some reason and Betis came in and now he's in Spain.
Maybe there was an agreement that we'd let them have Sobis in turn for getting Oliveira? For whatever reason he was ours and then we let him go, more than likely because of Oliveira's agent. That seems to be one of the main reasons we got the striker from Betis.
hitmannq8
09-11-2006, 14:19
Yeah, i think that is the main reason we got Oliveira, cuz frankly speaking, I dont think he is a striker that Milan would have signed for 10m. According to Galliani, he now has started to lose faith in even getting Ronaldinho. If this is just some mind games he's playin with the Barca management, i applaud him, but if they really end up failing that means alot. It means we we were willing to sacrifice a whole season with Oliveira and pay 10m+ vogel to get him, just to have a stronger chance of getting Ronaldinho.
the more you look at it, the more ridiculous it seems. 17 million euros plus Vogel for a player who missed 8 months of football with a serious knee injury? Betis must have been shaking their heads in disbelief. He's not worth that much that is for sure, which begs the question why we went through with it. There must have been other strikers of similar quality available for that price.
Brasileiro
09-11-2006, 16:18
Palacio is kool. too much comp for higuain. 1 question brasileiro: What do you think of Kerlon? (Inter are tracking him)
One thing is clear, Milan is high rated by brazilians players. Every player talk abou the respect that the club give to brazilians...
The problem(IMO) is that Milan office is just asking for players but without do real BIDS...
Right now Real Madrid is purchasing Marcelo for just 4 or 5 millions :eek: Unbelievble...and we do nothing :5horse:
BTW, just take a look at the player thatwe are losing(Marcelo): Scroll down...
http://www.plus.es/codigo/esos/videos.asp?id=563986&cod=565353&item=565356&pag=5
joumasepoes and Jim, I´m going to GYm right now, but later I will post my opinion about Kerlon and João leonardo
I'll look forward to reading it tomorrow morning Brasiliero :D
Higuain has been called up by Domenech for France's friendly against Greece next Wednesday. It will be interesting to see if he plays. Off topic, Karim Benzema has also been called up. I think this kid could be a great striker, he shows alot of potential right now.
Gago seems to have followed Marcelo's suit and said that he'd like to play for Madrid. At this point they could quite easily end up with Marcelo, Gago & Higuain. That would make me so mad, i can't begin to describe it :mad:
I also found this on sky sports about Flamengo speaking about Ronaldo going to their club.
"Ronaldo has never made any secret of his desire to return to his homeland - and Flamengo in particular - to finish his career, and the Brazilian outfit are hoping to take advantage of his current malaise to try and broker a deal.
"It's nothing new to say that Ronaldo wants to end his career at Flamengo, but I can't say that he is going to be here for the 2007 Copa Libertadores," stated Flamengo supremo Marcio Braga.
"What I can say is that we will try to bring him to our team."
Flamengo will use their close relationship with sports investment company MSI to try and finance any deal, admitting the club alone do not have the resources to pull off such a coup.
"We don't even have $100,000 in the club accounts," Braga continued.
"I don't know if MSI are going to be our financial partners in the negotiations, but I expect to have a meeting with their officials in order that we might have Ronaldo in our team at some time."
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If this is true then why have ideas above your station? Why risk putting your club into more debt by striking up some deal with the loan sharks of football MSI? No wonder football is in such a financial crisis. These clubs have hardly any money but are prepared to sell themselves to the devil (msi) and be in potential debt for goodness knows how many years. MSI are the embodiment of everything wrong with football these days. They make me sick.
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i've read in a few places that Marcelo's move to Real is now official. Apparently they paid 7 million euros and got him on a 5 year deal. If that is confirmed i will be mad, angry and disapointed all at the same time :lazy:
It would be a dream to have Kaka, Gourcuff and Gago playing in the same team :sweeteye:
If we can purchase Gago and Higuain we then only need one or two players next year, plus new coach.... But im sure we will not. :( We played 16mil + an excellent player that Vogel really was for a striker that hasnt been playing for almost a year and that was never a world class player. couldnt we bought Iaquinta and Oddo for 16mil??
i've read in a few places that Marcelo's move to Real is now official. Apparently they paid 7 million euros and got him on a 5 year deal. If that is confirmed i will be mad, angry and disapointed all at the same time :lazy:
Its been said that Marcelo himself only wanted to play for Real and went there despite some other clubs coming with better offers. Don't know if that is true though.
It probably is Kris.
El Concorde, Zambrotta & Jankulovski for left sided players ... that'll do for me :D
Braida is right now in Rio(looking Marcelo)...after that will be in São Paulo(to watch Fabão)and go to Argentine watch Higuaín, Gago and Rodrigo Palacio...
nothing new, the same names...
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1343075-1306,00.html
I read that Braida is going to Porto Alegre to watch Evaldo
What kind of player he is?
marcelo is gone
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=164930
damn it !!
rahul.acm
10-11-2006, 06:41
Like any of these South American ignorants were going to come to Milan. Do they even know that there is a club called AC Milan which is better than RM or Barca. This is crap. We shouldn't even send Braida/anyone to that melting pot for any reason. We should only get Italians and other Europeans. We can even go to asia, at least the players over there know that AC Milan exist and is bursting with ambition.
Like any of these South American ignorants were going to come to Milan. Do they even know that there is a club called AC Milan which is better than RM or Barca. This is crap. We shouldn't even send Braida/anyone to that melting pot for any reason. We should only get Italians and other Europeans. We can even go to asia, at least the players over there know that AC Milan exist and is bursting with ambition.
I am sorry, but this post is both incorrect and regrettably quite insulting to many south Americans. We had no problem either in the past nor will have in the future to bring players from there. It is a matter of preference of the player and of the club.
Sorry Rahul, i agree with Kris completely. You're post was quite insulting, there's no need for it.
Gago said he'd prefer Real to Barca because his idol Redondo player there. Braida needs to step in fast if we want to get this guy. We surely don't need to keep seeing them in matches, he should be over there sorting out deals.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get any of these promising youngsters.
im actually quite sure we will not get any of them. What are we actually trying to do with all those false searches for talented players?? Where is the Milan power, Berlusconi's money?
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 09:29
Like any of these South American ignorants were going to come to Milan. Do they even know that there is a club called AC Milan which is better than RM or Barca. This is crap. We shouldn't even send Braida/anyone to that melting pot for any reason. We should only get Italians and other Europeans. We can even go to asia, at least the players over there know that AC Milan exist and is bursting with ambition.
What a shameful thing is the prejudice :rollani: ...South America ignorants??? You show what is ignorance w/ this post!! Every brazilian player, fans, press, knows the respect that Milan give to brazilians players. Don´t talk about what you don´t know...the problem is that Galiani sent Braida this week, and teams knows as poors scouting teams like R. Madrid, aready had a previus negiciation w/ players in SA several months ago, and our team no...Milan did nothing, and just because we are losing right now, Braida was sended to SA.
Marcelo has real bids of Real Madrid, CSKA, Sevilla(and chose RM, normal)...but nothing of Milan. We can´t compete w/ big teams(IMO Real Madrid, Barça are big teams like us), without making real proposals to teams...
Your argument is so prejudice, that you forgot the Italians players(Zambrotta)also chose a spanish team over Milan...maybe the guy also don´t know that there´s a club called Milan :rollani:
the Italians players(Zambrotta)also chose a spanish team over Milan...
as I've read, Zambrotta wanted to go to Milan. Zambrotta chose Milan, but Juve chose Barca:D.
I agree its sad we send Braida to South America just now when we are loosing in serie a. So we didnt have a plan in advance?? You cant go to south america to find and buy a world class player in 2 weeks, thats just pure nonsence. Negotiations and pre- arrangements are going on much earlyer, like Madrid does it now with Mijatovic in that position. What we are trying to do is just too funny to be even considered as some real transfer business....that's sad. Its like in summer mercato, too little,to late.
rahul.acm
10-11-2006, 10:44
What a shameful thing is the prejudice :rollani: ...South America ignorants??? You show what is ignorance w/ this post!! Every brazilian player, fans, press, knows the respect that Milan give to brazilians players. Don´t talk about what you don´t know...the problem is that Galiani sent Braida this week, and teams knows as poors scouting teams like R. Madrid, aready had a previus negiciation w/ players in SA several months ago, and our team no...Milan did nothing, and just because we are losing right now, Braida was sended to SA.
Marcelo has real bids of Real Madrid, CSKA, Sevilla(and chose RM, normal)...but nothing of Milan. We can´t compete w/ big teams(IMO Real Madrid, Barça are big teams like us), without making real proposals to teams...
Your argument is so prejudice, that you forgot the Italians players(Zambrotta)also chose a spanish team over Milan...maybe the guy also don´t know that there´s a club called Milan :rollani:
Perhaps you may also tell me about any of these youngsters who have atleast uttered the word Milan as their suitable destination. Can you tell me how many of them have not mentioned the clubs like Barca, Chelski or RM as their desired destination.
I hope you know what future lies for them if they join teams like RM where they will become another Cicinho or Mikel at ski. Yes they are ignorant because these are the only clubs that come to their mind. I know they will have a future if they come to milan (esp. Gago) and I also know that joining the above mentioned clubs will do no good to them.
Our clubs officials are not going for them is because these players do ot want to join us. Its not the problem of our management if the players they are interested in, are not interested in Milan. I wouldn't even want Ronaldino in our team if he is not completely dedicated to us. Not every player has a Leonardo sitting on their head to convince them to join Milan.
EDIT: I am calling this bunch of SA youngsters as ignorants. Don't generalize with all the players who have existed in SA.
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 11:20
I agree its sad we send Braida to South America just now when we are loosing in serie a. So we didnt have a plan in advance?? You cant go to south america to find and buy a world class player in 2 weeks, thats just pure nonsence. Negotiations and pre- arrangements are going on much earlyer, like Madrid does it now with Mijatovic in that position. What we are trying to do is just too funny to be even considered as some real transfer business....that's sad. Its like in summer mercato, too little,to late.
Perfect, mrki...
Just for a example, Mijatovic send Baldini to South America some months ago to start negotiations w/ Fluminense. Some time later, they did a proposal(less than expected) and Fluminense denied. So, when(in Spain) this week, la cadeña Ser said that Monchi(Sevilla) had a agreement w/ Fluminense for Marcelo, R. Madrid ofered more money, and the kid chose the BIG club. As brazilian I don´t want to see our gem in Cappello hands, but I understand the player chosing a top-5 club in the world. Milan never did a bid for Marcelo(or Lucas), they where here just "scouting" and every reliable source here in Brazil confirm that.
Right now we have a DM gem here(Lucas) that can give our side power, pace, strenght, skills, and is in a race for the MVP of Brasileirão, and I can´t read in any reliable source in the press that we are real serious after him...
As you said, it´s sad...
Brasileiro, what about Leiva ? What kind of player he is ? Or is he the same guy you talk about, the Lucas guy ? Because this player i'm interested in is called Lucas Leiva ?
Juve made a bit for him few days ago !
rahul.acm
10-11-2006, 11:38
Still waiting for you reply dear friend Brasileiro.
The thing i don't get is that Braida is still watching games for these players. How many more games do you need to see? I doubt that they've improved or declined that much since the summer when he was last out there. So why don't we have negotiations already at a semi advanced stage?
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 12:08
[[QUOTE]B]Perhaps you may also tell me about any of these youngsters who have atleast uttered the word Milan as their suitable destination. Can you tell me how many of them have not mentioned the clubs like Barca, Chelski or RM as their desired destination. [/B]
Marcelo never said that Real Madri was his choice, never!! I chalenge you to show me quote of Marcelo saying that wants to be Real Madrid player(before the agreement). The person that said that was Tomás Roncero, half journalist, half RM suporter, that was the same guy that said that Kaká wants to be in real Madrid, and that the it was only matter of time to Kaká arrives in Madird...now, the "article" where Roncero talks for Marcelo, after the agreement, of course: "El chico sólo quiere venir al Madrid y no creemos que nadie pueda quebrantar su voluntad. Puede que hubiera ofertas mejores, pero Marcelo quiere crecer como futbolista en el Madrid". Always the same quote for every player...
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Madrid/cerro/fichaje/Marcelo/millones/dasftb/20061109dasdaiftb_39/Tes/
I hope you know what future lies for them if they join teams like RM where they will become another Cicinho or Mikel at ski. Yes they are ignorant because these are the only clubs that come to their mind. I know they will have a future if they come to milan (esp. Gago) and I also know that joining the above mentioned clubs will do no good to them. I can´t talk for the argies youngsters. But, you just show that you are wrong about brazilians. Here, the players don´t rate high to play in EPL, and every time they are asked about destination, 99% wants to play in Italy or Spain. Some time ago another example was Alex(PSV). When asked about Chelsea(co-owner of his rights), Alex said that if it was to leave PSV, it wants to go to Milan. But as always, right now Mijatovic is trying a agreement with Chelsea and PSV for Alex, as the guy is the first choice of Capello to pair with cannavarro:
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Alex/PSV/favorito/plaza/central/dasftb/20061109dasdaiftb_5/Tes/
and Braida watching games...
Our clubs officials are not going for them is because these players do ot want to join us. Its not the problem of our management if the players they are interested in, are not interested in Milan. I wouldn't even want Ronaldino in our team if he is not completely dedicated to us. Not every player has a Leonardo sitting on their head to convince them to join Milan.
Brazilians players not interest in join Milan??? This is a joke, right??? As I said above, I can´t talk about Argie youngsters, but Milan is a dream for every brazilian player...and you´re wrong about Leonardo and kaká situation. As kaká said, when he played w/ Leo(leonardo was not even a Milan director), it heard all the stories about how professional and class are the club with players. In that time, Leonardo was a player(not a director), and the job of Leo in Kaká purchase wasn´t to convince Kaká, but to negociate w/ São paulo directors(as Leo has a good relatioship), and convince them to sell Kaká for us...
EDIT: I am calling this bunch of SA youngsters as ignorants. Don't generalize with all the players who have existed in SA.
This is your post:
Like any of these South American ignorants were going to come to Milan. Do they even know that there is a club called AC Milan which is better than RM or Barca. This is crap. We shouldn't even send Braida/anyone to that melting pot for any reason. We should only get Italians and other Europeans. We can even go to asia, at least the players over there know that AC Milan exist and is bursting with ambition.
Read one more time...EDIT, because you generalized...
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 12:21
Brasileiro, what about Leiva ? What kind of player he is ? Or is he the same guy you talk about, the Lucas guy ? Because this player i'm interested in is called Lucas Leiva ?
Juve made a bit for him few days ago !
Tony29, is the same guy, Lucas Leiva. Juve is after him?? It´s not good new for us...
Amazing DM, complete, can create and defend. Lucas is our(brazilian) answer to Gago. The argie appers to be a better passer(Lucas is very good also, but Gago appears to be better), but Lucas has more pace, quikness and strength.
ACMILAN1983
10-11-2006, 12:24
guys, please calm down. Rahul, you've generalised a fair amount about the current generation of S.American players. The comments made border on racism (though I feel fairly certain you don't mean it like that), so please be careful in what you're trying to say in future.
rahul.acm
10-11-2006, 12:51
Marcelo never said that Real Madri was his choice, never!! I chalenge you to show me quote of Marcelo saying that wants to be Real Madrid player(before the agreement). The person that said that was Tomás Roncero, half journalist, half RM suporter, that was the same guy that said that Kaká wants to be in real Madrid, and that the it was only matter of time to Kaká arrives in Madird...now, the "article" where Roncero talks for Marcelo, after the agreement, of course: "El chico sólo quiere venir al Madrid y no creemos que nadie pueda quebrantar su voluntad. Puede que hubiera ofertas mejores, pero Marcelo quiere crecer como futbolista en el Madrid". Always the same quote for every player...
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Madrid/cerro/fichaje/Marcelo/millones/dasftb/20061109dasdaiftb_39/Tes/
Do you say that he was never asked whether he wanted to join Milan? He must have come across a question like that but I never heard him showing any interest or even generate rumours that he wants to join. I don't think he has gone against will to join RM. He has gone where he wants to go.
I can´t talk for the argies youngsters. But, you just show that you are wrong about brazilians. Here, the players don´t rate high to play in EPL, and every time they are asked about destination, 99% wants to play in Italy or Spain. Some time ago another example was Alex(PSV). When asked about Chelsea(co-owner of his rights), Alex said that if it was to leave PSV, it wants to go to Milan. But as always, right now Mijatovic is trying a agreement with Chelsea and PSV for Alex, as the guy is the first choice of Capello to pair with cannavarro:
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Alex/PSV/favorito/plaza/central/dasftb/20061109dasdaiftb_5/Tes/
and Braida watching games...
I really haven't heard one single player from Brazil come out and say that he is desperate to come to Italy but a lot of them have spoken about Spain. About Alex, I guess we didn't go for him as we did not need him. I can't see Alex being happy with us by staying on the bench for at least half of the games with Kaladze and Nesta taking the first team place. Now, as Nesta isn't quite sure of remaining with us our directors will look for options and I am sure Alex will be one of them.
Brazilians players not interest in join Milan??? This is a joke, right??? As I said above, I can´t talk about Argie youngsters, but Milan is a dream for every brazilian player...and you´re wrong about Leonardo and kaká situation. As kaká said, when he played w/ Leo(leonardo was not even a Milan director), it heard all the stories about how professional and class are the club with players. In that time, Leonardo was a player(not a director), and the job of Leo in Kaká purchase wasn´t to convince Kaká, but to negociate w/ São paulo directors(as Leo has a good relatioship), and convince them to sell Kaká for us...
Leo's role in Kaka's purchase was to convince Sao Paulo and not Kaka,so by your post, I can conclude that Kaka wasn't dreaming about joining Milan. You backfired on your proposition.... and please come up with a name who wants to join us or has publicly announced of coming to Italy.
This is your post:
Like any of these South American ignorants were going to come to Milan. Do they even know that there is a club called AC Milan which is better than RM or Barca. This is crap. We shouldn't even send Braida/anyone to that melting pot for any reason. We should only get Italians and other Europeans. We can even go to asia, at least the players over there know that AC Milan exist and is bursting with ambition.
Read one more time...EDIT, because you generalized...
By "these" I referred to this group of young players. Don't jump into conclusions. I cannot even imagine of generalizing when we have a dedicated Kaka in our team.
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Thanks Dev, I shall be more specific in my posts. Sorry if anyone was hurt due to my post. I didn't mean to generalize.
Tony29, is the same guy, Lucas Leiva. Juve is after him?? It´s not good new for us...
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I don't know how reliable this is, but i found this on tuttomercato and calciomercato :
Il vicepresidente del Gremio: "Offerta dalla Juventus per Lucas Leiva"
The Gremio vice-president confirms that Juve made an offer for Leiva, but as it happens lately, whenever Juve or Milan are after some player............. Inter also made a bid for Lucas Leiva ( Atletico Madrid being the 3rd team that made an offer for the player)
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 14:05
[QUOTE]Do you say that he was never asked whether he wanted to join Milan? He must have come across a question like that but I never heard him showing any interest or even generate rumours that he wants to join. I don't think he has gone against will to join RM. He has gone where he wants to go.
As I said, everytime that the kid was asked, it said that don´t want to talk about any club, and his main interest was fluminense. Marcelo nevers said that wants Real Madrid...and I´m still wating for a Marcelo quote(before the agreement) saying that RM was his dream...
I really haven't heard one single player from Brazil come out and say that he is desperate to come to Italy but a lot of them have spoken about Spain. About Alex, I guess we didn't go for him as we did not need him. I can't see Alex being happy with us by staying on the bench for at least half of the games with Kaladze and Nesta taking the first team place. Now, as Nesta isn't quite sure of remaining with us our directors will look for options and I am sure Alex will be one of them.
I desagree...and our defence numbers since last year show that we need a player like Alex.
Leo's role in Kaka's purchase was to convince Sao Paulo and not Kaka,so by your post, I can conclude that Kaka wasn't dreaming about joining Milan. You backfired on your proposition.... and please come up with a name who wants to join us or has publicly announced of coming to Italy.
Maybe is my english(I recongnized)...But, I backfired my own proposition???
1- Kaká said that when palyed w/ Leo, it always heard storys about how class and professional are our Club. Just it...nothing more. If you talk w/ players like Evaristo de Macêdo, Rivaldo, they will talk wonderfull things about Barça. If you talk w/ Emerson, the guy will to say wonderfull things about Juve...
But if you think that every kid born in Brazil is a Milan, RM, Barça, Juve supporter, you´re deadly wrong. Besides brazilians loves Europe(as continent), we(fans and players) born being supporters of teams like Bahia, Flamengo S. Paulo, Vasco, Palmeiras...man, Europa isn´t the center of the World :p231: I´m a Bahia suporter, and only started to be a Milan fan(in Europe), when Serie A was showed for the first time in Brazil(1988).
2- Just for a example:
Ronaldo is a Flamengo suporter; Alex is a Flamengo suporter; Kaká is a S. Paulo suporter; R. Carlos is Santos supporter; R. Gaúcho is a Grêmio supporter; Riquelme is a Boca supporter; Aimar is a R. Plate supporter; Maradona is a Boca supporter; Marcelo is a Fluminense supporter.
I hope that you understand that if a player go to the press and say that wants to leave his club, and declare love for a foreign club. First, this will be a lie, and second: one day later, the fasn will punch him when it went to work out. Will call him mercenary and if he has luck, will escape with litlle bruises.
3- back to Kaká: When Leonardo came to Kaká, and asked if it wants to join Milan, Kaká said yes, no doubt!! It wasn´t because kaká was a Milan supporter, but cuz Milan is known in Brazil as not only a great club. But as the right place for brazilians to play in Europe(you don´t hear the same thing about Inter here. Inter here is had as a place better to argie players). When Kaká came to Milan, it was only a São Paulo fan...and now, after they way that our club treated it, Kaká don´t hides that it has two clubs in the heart(S. Paulo and Milan).
By "these" I referred to this group of young players. Don't jump into conclusions. I cannot even imagine of generalizing when we have a dedicated Kaka in our team.
How come to not jump at conclusion whith thats words? It wasn´t only me that had this conclusions...
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Thanks Dev, I shall be more specific in my posts. Sorry if anyone was hurt due to my post. I didn't mean to generalize
Great now it seems we're not in the queue for Lucas either. What was the point of going to Brazil again?
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 20:23
rahul,
See what hapened w/ fluminense players yersterday:
http://www.as.com/articulo/Futbol/Hinchas/Fluminense/intentan/agredir/jugadores/empatar/dasftb/20061110dasdasftb_25/Tes/
Imagine what could happen if Marcelo go to press, and said that wants to be a R. Madrid player...
BTW , I made a serch in Globo.com(very reliable, and always ahead of facts) about Marcelo transference saga:
1- http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1344851-4284,00.html
Assim, o Real Madrid vence um "leilão" pelo lateral da seleção brasileira com outros clubes europeus. Nesta semana, além do time espanhol, Roma (Itália) e Sevilla (Espanha) fizeram propostas oficiais ao Fluminense. Anteriormente, o CSKA (Rússia) já havia entrado em contato com o Tricolor.
O acordo entre Fluminense e Real aconteceu na tarde de quarta, em uma troca de documentos por fax entre as duas diretorias. Os espanhóis pagarão 6 milhões de euros (R$ 16,4 milhões) por Marcelo, proposta que foi superior em 400 mil euros (R$ 1 milhão) à do Sevilla.
So, the only teams to made real bids this past week had been: Sevilla, RM, Roma and CSKA in the past.
2- here you can see also that Juve made a BID , and that Marcelo almost was a Sevilla player:
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1341954-4284,00.html
Nos últimos dois meses, alguns clubes se interessaram (dentre eles, o Roma), outros oficializaram proposta (CSKA Moscou, Real Madrid e Juventus), mas nada foi concluído. E o jogador vem caindo de produção em campo
3-Here one of the few times that the kid talk to the press about a possible trasference and said the obvious: "I do not want to hear about proposals"
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1340302-4284,00.html
De jeito nenhum, não quero nem tomar conhecimento de propostas. Não tenho como me avaliar. Quem está de fora vê o que quer e fala o que quer. Todo jogador passa por um momento ruim, depois isso passa - diz.
rahul, I tried hard, but didn´t find an single quote of Marcelo saying that wants to be a R. Madrid player...and also a quote about our team making real proposals for players...
P.S. Sorry for the sites to be in Portuguese, but Globo.com is the most reliable site that I know...
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 20:32
I read that Braida is going to Porto Alegre to watch Evaldo
What kind of player he is?
I confess that for me It is a surprise...I watched several games of Grêmio an this guy never caught my atention...really I surprise for me.
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 21:00
Palacio is kool. too much comp for higuain. 1 question brasileiro: What do you think of Kerlon? (Inter are tracking him)
Right now, my friend, Kerlon is a prosopect. But a amazing prospect...
Just to put in perspective, in South America U-17 championship. Anderson, now in Porto was amazing, but even thus, Kerlon outplayed Anderson and was the MVP of the championship. If I had to attribute a rating for both in that championship, I would give a 10 for Anderson, and 11 to Kerlon!!! And if you remeber that some time later, Anderson was chosen the MVP of U-17 World Cup(Kerlon didn´t played because of a broken ankle), you can have a perspective of Kerlon talent.
The problem for Kerlon was that while Anderson was playing for Grêmio first team, and gain professional experience. Kerlon was 1 year out for a broken ankle. Right now Kerlon is a sub in Cruzeiro first team, mostly because the starter(Wagner), besides to be great talen(and has more experience), is playing a amazing Brasileirão.
On the kid game, he has it all. Pace, amazing skills and dribles, great vision, great in set pieces. Kerlon also has a Deco body. His best position is Kaká role in Milan(OMD).
IMO Kerlon is more than worth the gamble, but right now, the kid is only a prospect(amazing), because his development was delayed with that ankle injure...So don´t expect a so fast adaptation to the Europe like Anderson.
rahul.acm
10-11-2006, 21:04
I am aware of the reaction of the fans esp. during derbies where some of them have been killed due to intense violence. The intensity of the fans is quited same europe too.
When Calderon got elected and started the Kaka operation even Kaka admitted he felt great because of grabbing attention of a top club. That sign is good enough for me to know that Kaka wouldn't mind going to RM. Did you hear any Milan fans getting angry over Kaka's comments? The same thing happened when Ronaldinho came across Milan rumours, even he blushed because of them. Did any Barca fans start a revolution against him?
May be we didn't place a bid on Marcelo because of a particular reason. May be we don't need a full back at the moment because youngsters who want first team experience don't like to be benched. May be we have enough full backs to satisfy our needs for at least 2 years.
Janku/Favalli/Serginho/Maldini---x---x---Bonera/Cafu/Simic (sometimes)
But the players have to show a sign where the club officials can feel that he commit to Milan wholeheartedly. Again as I said earlier Marcelo wasn't forced to join RM. It was his choice and such choices cannot be made overnight just by watching one or two RM games.
Brasileiro
10-11-2006, 21:16
So are we joumasepoes. Kerlon is no doubt on Braida's watch list.
Another name has cropped up, Joao Leonardo de Paula Reginato of Athletico Paranaense. What can you tell us about him Brasiliero? :p286:
Jim, I watched some Atlético Paranaense games, and the defender that caught my atention was his pair: Danilo Larangera.
I also saw some hype in João leonardo,and Altlético Paranaense has one of the best youth sistem and facilities(sp?) of the World. Right now , I don´t can´t say much about the guy, but a promisse that I will go to give more attention on João Leonardo game, and after place my impressions here :5ok:
looks for here, in ZAGUEIROS for more information about Danilo Lage and João Leonardo :
http://www.atleticopr.com.br/equipes/equipes.php?principal=1&iCtrl=1&iPos=zg
joumasepoes
11-11-2006, 02:48
Jim, I watched some Atlético Paranaense games, and the defender that caught my atention was his pair: Danilo Larangera.
I also saw some hype in João leonardo,and Altlético Paranaense has one of the best youth sistem and facilities(sp?) of the World. Right now , I don´t can´t say much about the guy, but a promisse that I will go to give more attention on João Leonardo game, and after place my impressions here :5ok:
looks for here, in ZAGUEIROS for more information about Danilo Lage and João Leonardo :
http://www.atleticopr.com.br/equipes/equipes.php?principal=1&iCtrl=1&iPos=zg
Hey Brazileiro, why dont you become an official scout of Milan? You can stay in brazil and post your recomendations to our owners?
excellent insight and information as always Brasileiro :5ok:
I wonder how much Kerlon might cost right now.
I have only seen Gago play once and he was impressive. But once isn't enough for me to say that he is a "must sign". However after looking at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBTOuk4n7wo&mode=related&search=
I am more then impressed with this guy. So much control and technique on the ball. The most impressive thing.....his movement off the ball. Amazing for a 20 year old player.
Let's wait and see what happens in January. Hopefully one of all these mentioned players is signed. There seems to be a river of great young prospects like never before. Of course some of them will turn out to be nothing more then average, but I believe that if we don't take the chance now, we might be crying for Kerlon and Gago later on.
By the way, I did mention Carlos Alberto a while ago but didn't find a response from any of you. Brasileiro maybe you know more about him? I know he has some type of character problem, but he does (from what I've seen) have a great ammount of talent.
rosoneri_11
13-11-2006, 03:03
Hey brazileiro what is your opinion about someone called Arouca?
Let me get this straight first. Braida wasn't just sent to Brazil to suddenly buy some talented youngster. Leonardo is our scout there to begin with. most players are players we have kept track on for a long time. Lets not stop there, any name you seen mentioned are not someone Braida said he even is after, he is there to look and to negotiate, he is the one that negotiate deals. Unless Berlusconi does that himself.
There is a new bunch of youngsters every year, most of us can't tell if someone will bomb or succed.
Also, anyone going to Real Madrid should be ready to sit on the bench, thats their choice of course.
rosoneri_11
13-11-2006, 05:37
From:http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=18075
Higuain welcomes AC Milan interest
tribalfooball.com - November 13, 2006
River Plate star Gonzalo Higuain admits he'd be interested in joining AC Milan.
Asked about the prospect, Higuain said: "Of course Milan appeals to me. They're one of the great clubs of Europe and play beautiful football.
"I will decide my future having listened to the recommendations of my father Jorge and my agent. Other teams also want me."
rahul.acm
13-11-2006, 09:03
Finally some one speaks about Milan. I am happy about that. I hope Braida brings him to Milan. It might turn out in to a worthy investment.
I just read something about the non-EU spaces. Galliani said that Sheva's spot was taken by RO and we can't sign another non-EU.
Which makes me think.....why is Braida in South America if we can't sign a non-EU player. The only player that we can sign is Higuain. Unless we are shopping for the summer? :confused:
Or....can we sign a non-EU after December 31st?
I really don't get it.
1. Is the 1 non-EU in a span of (January 1st - December 31st). Or....
2. Is it (end of season 'may' - end of next season 'next may') ??
One or two of those players (gago, higuain, etc) have eu passports i think, so depending on which one we get, we might be ok.
zlatanov
13-11-2006, 13:45
by refusing the call up for the French NT, I think Higuain basically forgoes his EU citizenship and chooses to be an Argentinian ...
As for Gago, I think he has an Italian passport but don't quote me on that one :nervous:
I guess we can also open up more non-EU spots by selling some of our current non-EU players - at the end of the season, there is a good chance that one or all of Dida, Cafu, or Sergio will leave.
Zlat, I don't think the problem is in EU-space available, but the ability to buy one because we are only allowed to buy one per season/year from outside of Italy. I don't think however there is a restriction to how many we actually have in the squad.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think we can sell ALL our non-EU players and it wont make a diference, because we still will be allowed to buy only ONE per year.
zlatanov
13-11-2006, 15:11
Zlat, I don't think the problem is in EU-space available, but the ability to buy one because we are only allowed to buy one per season/year from outside of Italy. I don't think however there is a restriction to how many we actually have in the squad.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think we can sell ALL our non-EU players and it wont make a diference, because we still will be allowed to buy only ONE per year.
My previous post was a bit ambiguous - what I meant by "non-EU spots" is that, at least from what I know, the rule is that a team can ADD to its current non-EU players only one more every season.
This, at least how I understand the rule, means that if we don't sell any non-EU players, we can buy one more. However, if we do sell some of our current non-EU players - say Dida and cafu leave us - this means that we can get 3 more non-EU players - 2 (in place of Dida and Cafu) + 1 to make it 3 altogether.
This still doesn't limit the # of non-EU players a team in Italy can have in general, it does however set certain limitations on how the number of non-EU players changes in time.
At least, that's how I understood the rule from what I read on uefa.com
rahul.acm
13-11-2006, 15:16
Well Higuain already holds a french passport (his father is a naturalized francophone so he doesn't have to play for france to get an EU citizenship. We can buy him without any EU restrictions.
About buying non-EU player:
We have to sell one non-EU player to buy another. (I think so)
I am not sure about Gago having an EU passport. I heard that he is eligible for Italian citizenship because of his dad.
Yea Zlat...you might be right. I never knew that.
If it is like you say, then it's not so bad. In any case however, I don't want Milan buying too many non-EU players as I think there is loads of talent in Italy as well. I do think however that we shouldn't pass on a chance to sign Kerlon or Gago.
zlatanov
13-11-2006, 15:25
Well Higuain already holds a french passport (his father is a naturalized francophone so he doesn't have to play for france to get an EU citizenship. We can buy him without any EU restrictions.
that's what I thought too but I guess there are certain "rules" as far as this goes. The reason why Higuain took so long to make up his mind was namely because of this "French" passport and how having it would have made him more "appealing' to European clubs in the future.
From what it said on gazzetta and other sources, he had to choose to play for the French NT in order to get/keep his EU passport. By choosing to play for Argentina, he basically refused a EU citizenship.
Not sure why that's the case, my guess is that French citizens are not allowed to have dual citizenship, which probably isn't the case with Italy since so many Argentinian and Brazilian player in Serie A have dual citizenship.
Brasileiro
13-11-2006, 16:17
Hey brazileiro what is your opinion about someone called Arouca?
rosoneri_11...amazing talent!! One more pearl of Fluminense youths. Arouca is a 20yo MD, more of a DMD...Arouca reminds me a young Seedorf. But they aren´t the same type of player(confuse, no?). Arouca would not have the same effectiveness of Seedor in a OMD role, as the proper Seedorf would not have in the DM role like Arouca. I hope to have clarified :D
Arouca is the type of player that some call here(in Brazil) "motorzinho", it´s like "little engine". He can´t play alone as the first DM(like Gilberto Silva), Arouca is what we call "segundo volante", a player that is a DM, but with freedom to attack. Summarizing, it is the type of player who makes the team MID to function...
Arouca appears before than Marcelo, and had a amazing season in Fluminense, but this year, it had 2 injures(not saying that is injure prone) in a row, and it can´t enter in rhythm. IMO, Milan material for sure. BTW, several people here in Brazil don´t understand why dunga still did not call to Brazil NT(Before the second injure this year), and call normal players like Dudu Cearense, Jônatas(now in Espanhol)...
What worries me is that of the players that we are linked here in Brazil, only Lucas and Marcelo are Milan material. The others like Fabão :rolleyes:
But, Marcelo is right now in Madrid to agree terms of contract...and of Lucas I can´t hear(or read) more anything about our interest...
A player that is coming of injure(and would go to solve our offensive problems) and is right now being disputed for clubs here in Brazil, that can´t compete w/ Milan(in therms of money), is Nilmar. The guy is right now without a contract w/ Corinthians, and Lyon. After Robinho, I can´t see another second foward(talking about brazilinas) so talented as Nilmar...and the guy can play as CF(unlike Robinho) besides his body...
Back to your question, of the guys playing in Brazil, IMO only Nilmar, Arouca and Lucas could be brought, and to contribute right now. For sure, exist more players, but they are more of a projects, like:
Kerlon(OMD) of Cruzeiro.
Thiago(FW) of São Paulo.
Edurado Ratinho(RB) of Corinthians...and others that I don´t remember right now :D
Brasileiro
13-11-2006, 16:27
By the way, I did mention Carlos Alberto a while ago but didn't find a response from any of you. Brasileiro maybe you know more about him? I know he has some type of character problem, but he does (from what I've seen) have a great ammount of talent.
Man, stay away of this overrated cancer!!! This guy is a joke...
Yes, C. Alberto had talent, but it is the example of player that din´t work hard to improve his game(like Denilson), and right now, IMO, can´t play in a big club of Europe.
Brasileiro
13-11-2006, 16:30
Hey Brazileiro, why dont you become an official scout of Milan? You can stay in brazil and post your recomendations to our owners?
Man, this would be a dream :cool: ...at least for a ex-future player :moan:
Brasileiro
13-11-2006, 16:33
Well Higuain already holds a french passport (his father is a naturalized francophone so he doesn't have to play for france to get an EU citizenship. We can buy him without any EU restrictions.
About buying non-EU player:
We have to sell one non-EU player to buy another. (I think so)
I am not sure about Gago having an EU passport. I heard that he is eligible for Italian citizenship because of his dad.
Just to say that Lucas Leiva has (or is working in get ) Italian citizenship...
rosoneri_11
13-11-2006, 16:34
rosoneri_11...amazing talent!! One more pearl of Fluminense youths. Arouca is a 20yo MD, more of a DMD...Arouca reminds me a young Seedorf. But they aren´t the same type of player(confuse, no?). Arouca would not have the same effectiveness of Seedor in a OMD role, as the proper Seedorf would not have in the DM role like Arouca. I hope to have clarified :D
Arouca is the type of player that some call here(in Brazil) "motorzinho", it´s like "little engine". He can´t play alone as the first DM(like Gilberto Silva), Arouca is what we call "segundo volante", a player that is a DM, but with freedom to attack. Summarizing, it is the type of player who makes the team MID to function...
Arouca appears before than Marcelo, and had a amazing season in Fluminense, but this year, it had 2 injures(not saying that is injure prone) in a row, and it can´t enter in rhythm. IMO, Milan material for sure. BTW, several people here in Brazil don´t understand why dunga still did not call to Brazil NT(Before the second injure this year), and call normal players like Dudu Cearense, Jônatas(now in Espanhol)...
What worries me is that of the players that we are linked here in Brazil, only Lucas and Marcelo are Milan material. The others like Fabão :rolleyes:
But, Marcelo is right now in Madrid to agree terms of contract...and of Lucas I can´t hear(or read) more anything about our interest...
A player that is coming of injure(and would go to solve our offensive problems) and is right now being disputed for clubs here in Brazil, that can´t compete w/ Milan(in therms of money), is Nilmar. The guy is right now without a contract w/ Corinthians, and Lyon. After Robinho, I can´t see another second foward(talking about brazilinas) so talented as Nilmar...and the guy can play as CF(unlike Robinho) besides his body...
Back to your question, of the guys playing in Brazil, IMO only Nilmar, Arouca and Lucas could be brought, and to contribute right now. For sure, exist more players, but they are more of a projects, like:
Kerlon(OMD) of Cruzeiro.
Thiago(FW) of São Paulo.
Edurado Ratinho(RB) of Corinthians...and others that I don´t remember right now :D
Thanks a lot brazileiro!I saw the stats of Arouca at football manager 2007,and this guy is amazing, he is young with very good stats,and he can do everything you want at midfield(attack,defence,crossing,technical,physical......)!
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I would keep his name in to my mind very seriusly,and i will try to find more informations from him!He is very interesting!For me i think he is better than Gago!
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From brazilian talents here and 4-5 years i was facinated buy Robinho and Diego(when they were younger).And now they come true as fantastic players playing right now for big clubs!Great players!
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So from now i will keep in mind Arouca!
Brasileiro
13-11-2006, 17:01
[QUOTE=rosoneri_11]Thanks a lot brazileiro!I saw the stats of Arouca at football manager 2007,and this guy is amazing, he is young with very good stats,and he can do everything you want at midfield(attack,defence,crossing,technical,physical......)!
Serious? I didn´t know this football manager 2007(about Arouca). Thats Arouca!!!! attack, defence, crossing,tchnical, physical...and I spent so many words :D
I would keep his name in to my mind very seriusly,and i will try to find more informations from him!He is very interesting!For me i think he is better than Gago!
I just saw Gago playing 4 times, and I although I have been impressed by some of it´s assits(and pass quality), IMO Arouca is a better player...
From brazilian talents here and 4-5 years i was facinated buy Robinho and Diego(when they were younger).And now they come true as fantastic players playing right now for big clubs!Great players!Yes, 2 great players(IMO Robinho is better). The explosion of Diego(in Werder), it´s easy to explain. For the first time, since that it was for the Europe, Diego is being used in a position where it is accustomed, the ODM role. In Portugal, for 2 coaches(Vitor fernadez e CoAdriansen, Sp?) the guy was used in a 3 man midfield(like in Holland), where the player needs to defend...and Diego was completely lost.
I´m just worried for Robinho. The guy is played as a winger in RM...what a waste. Capello just needed to watch Robinho in Brazil NT, and to see how good is Robinho playing as a second striker.
So from now i will keep in mind Arouca!
Wise man :guw:
I am a new member of milanmania so Hi to all of you guys..
I have one question for you BRASILEIRO: What do you think about Ilsinho ( Sao Paolo, 21 yo, terzino destro, on Braidas shortlist )?? Potencial replacment for Cafu.. tanx for the answer; you are awsome men
zlatanov
14-11-2006, 13:26
welcome to MM, ACM.
Brasileiro, could you give us something more on this Ilsinho, the latest name linked with us in the rumour mill. I personally have never seen him play.
Thanks :)
Brasileiro
14-11-2006, 19:43
I am a new member of milanmania so Hi to all of you guys..
I have one question for you BRASILEIRO: What do you think about Ilsinho ( Sao Paolo, 21 yo, terzino destro, on Braidas shortlist )?? Potencial replacment for Cafu.. tanx for the answer; you are awsome men
Thanks for the words, ACM1899 :) and welcome to MM.
Regarding your questionand(and of Zlatanov), Ilsinho is a RB of São Paulo, that is showing some great attacking skills. But the guy only won the starting job at some weeks ago. I really saw this guy playing 3 or 4 times, and as I said, Ilsinho showed some impressive drible skills for a RB.
But it needs to improve a lot in defence. I was to say that Ilsinho is like Cicinho(in defence), but I´m not so used to his game. What I know is that Murici(Coach of S. Paulo) is working a lot w/ the guy to become a good defender. I read this news in the press, and the coach don´t hide this flaw of Ilsinho game.
I remeber that Villareal almost purchased Ilsinho this year. What I know(more for the press) is that Ilsinho is very good in Attack, but need to work in defence. But I remeber several highlight of Ilsinho w/ amazinng dribles in São paulo mames. But that was only highlights. New Cicinho??? Maybe, but I want to watch more this player. At least the guy is showing potential...
zlatanov
14-11-2006, 20:13
thanks for the info, Brasileiro.
Given his lack of experience and that he has just recently made it into first team of SP, I guess he would be one for the future - at least 1-2 years from now - and not an immediate replacement for Cafu.
Brasileiro thanks a lot. Ilsinho told yesterday that his manager met Braida in Brasil ( calciomercato report ),,
I really hope we will sign this guy and the other one - Lucas Leiva; I love him.
But there could be a problem; both players are non-EU. Am I wrong Brasileiro? And sori for my bad english
Both of those players don't have EU-passports.
If I am not mistaken, (somebody please re-check this), but according to footballbase.com the following players in our squad are non-EU.
Dida; Kalac; Kaladze; Simic; Kaka; Serginho; Oliveira.
The whole rule is stupid as only the countries in the European Union are not affected by this rule, and even though countries like Croatia and Ukraine ARE in Europe, their players are concidered non-EU.
Kalac on the other hand should have a EU-passport because of his family. I think they are from Croatia.
I also read on a Real Madrid forum (went on one after the whole Gago,Marcelo,Higuain hype) that Gago will have an Italian passport because of his grandparents somwhere around April. No idea how accurate this is.
Kalac and Cafu will probably left AC at the end of the season also Dida ( what i read he has no intention to extend his contract ) so I guess we can sign more then one non EU player in the summer??
rosoneri_11
15-11-2006, 03:45
Kalac and Cafu will probably left AC at the end of the season also Dida ( what i read he has no intention to extend his contract ) so I guess we can sign more then one non EU player in the summer??
As i know, no matter of how many non-eu will leave from milan,an italian club can only buy 1 non-eu per season!
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rosoneri_11
15-11-2006, 03:50
Thats what i know...........
In Italy you can buy 1 non-eu pers season.
In England you can buy as many non-eu as you want!
Why in England they can do this??????
One more think about Ilsinho; same manager as Kaka ( Wagner Ribeiro ).. sounds good to me.
Lucas: I am not sure but i think he has an Italian passport..
Thank you Brasileiro for your comments :-)
And for Moderators: maybe you can open section where Brasileiro will posts his oppinions, he has nice descriptions.
Thats what i know...........
In Italy you can buy 1 non-eu pers season.
In England you can buy as many non-eu as you want!
Why in England they can do this??????
you can buy one non-eu per season from abroad, we can buy 20 non-eu from other Italian teams.
In England they do instead have the problem with work permit, basically any non-eu they bring will have to play in the national team (including u-21).
Ilsilho al Milan: Passaporto italiano in arrivo
10:23 del 15 novembre
Ilsinho ha da tempo avviato la pratica per ottenere il passaporto italiano. In questo caso il Milan potrebbe tesserare già a gennaio il 21enne terzino destro brasiliano del San Paolo. Il giocatore è sotto contratto fino al 2009 con una clausola di rescissione da 16 milioni di euro.
(Gazzetta dello Sport)
It says: "Ilsinho to Milan; Italian passport is coming". So we can sign him in january
source: Gazzetta dello sport, most reliable in Italy
rosoneri_11
15-11-2006, 06:07
i just saw the stats of Ilsinho at football manager 2007.
He is very good,very fast,he is very good at technical,attacking,dribbling,crossin,and at defence he isnt the best but he had good stats.But because he is young and he can develop be better .Thats his advantage!
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For his age he is very good!!!
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If you look marcelo's stats he is great at technical,dribling,crossin.......but at defence he is a joke!!!
He cant make defence,and thats a big problem for him!
With that stats he can play better as ML or as AML.For the role of DL i dont trust him!!!
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Ilsinho can be better of Marcelo!
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ACMILAN1983
15-11-2006, 08:17
Thank you Brasileiro for your comments :-)
And for Moderators: maybe you can open section where Brasileiro will posts his oppinions, he has nice descriptions.
errm...he's got tons of threads to post opinions, what more do you want us to give?
Brasileiro
15-11-2006, 10:49
Brasileiro thanks a lot. Ilsinho told yesterday that his manager met Braida in Brasil ( calciomercato report ),,
I really hope we will sign this guy and the other one - Lucas Leiva; I love him.
But there could be a problem; both players are non-EU. Am I wrong Brasileiro? And sori for my bad english
The press say in Brazil that Lucas is working(or has) in a Italian passport. Regarding Ilsinho, I heard that is a Portuguese passport, but isn´t a sure thing like Lucas...and sorry for MY bad english!!
Brasileiro
15-11-2006, 11:39
i just saw the stats of Ilsinho at football manager 2007.
He is very good,very fast,he is very good at technical,attacking,dribbling,crossin,and at defence he isnt the best but he had good stats.But because he is young and he can develop be better .Thats his advantage!
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For his age he is very good!!!
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If you look marcelo's stats he is great at technical,dribling,crossin.......but at defence he is a joke!!!
He cant make defence,and thats a big problem for him!
With that stats he can play better as ML or as AML.For the role of DL i dont trust him!!!
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Ilsinho can be better of Marcelo!
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Rossoneri_11,
Trust me, Ilsinho is worst than Marcelo in defence. But yes, he can develope in this area...and his coach(I saw on TV) is demanding a better attitude on defence. Murici is a hard nose coach, and is working w/ Ilsinho.
I saw Marcelo as a young Daniel Alves. Even the little nasty style. Marcelo in Brazil youths, received several cards(yellow and reds) because the kid was always giving hard tackles, and some times losing "the point" :D ...but the good news(for brazilians) is that the kid found a balance.
I saw Branco, Leonardo, R. Carlos, Serginho, Junior, Adriano, Maxwel and playing, but in terms of talent, and never saw a LB as Marcelo. [/B] For sure, a injure, or some wrong choices can ruin its career. But every one in Fluminense praise the kid for to be humble and professional...and his teammates loves the kid. Even Dunga, that is hard to praise players(individually), said wonderfull things about Marcelo attitude, and for being such a great kid.
I really hope that if Milan will go to make purchases in Brazil(right now), the choice isn´t Ilsinho. The guy has talent, but is more a project than guys like Lucas, Arouca or Nilmar. Lucas and Arouca would give more talent, power and pace for our midfield. Our mid is always outplayed by others. The only form that we aren´t out played is w/ Gattuso and Brochi/ Ambrosine pair. But with both, we lost so much quality. Lucas or Arouca wuld give us more power, pace, quikness and quality...but maybe I´m wrong, and Ilsinho isn´t a project as I think...whop knows??
Brasileiro, you might be right that all those players are more established then this guy Ilsinho, but we badly need a RB more then anything else. That right side is too dull and there is nothing there. Whenever Cafu is in there (and it doesn't happen that oftern anymore) we do have some crosses available, but Cafu can't beat players anymore because his speed isn't there.
It would be perfect for us to get Gago(even thought it seems impossible) and in that way we can play him in Pirlo's role and push Pirlo i Seedorf's spot. That will push up Pirlo further up the field (ex:just like he did in Italy) and we will have a good DM who can pass great and take care of the ball, Gago.
Adding a RB to this (Ilsinho, even though I know nothing about him but this is where desperation hits I guess), would mean great additions in January.
Again however, we are left dissapointed after all the hype and promisses.
Thank you Brasileiro, you give us much good information. All I can do when Milan linked with a player is searching in Internet or FM Data :D.
Ilsinho, Lucas, Arouca and Nilmar, we can only have one from them. I like Arouca the best, he developed more than other and have professional character, but I think we need an attacking RB badly, too, like Nefremo.
zlatanov
15-11-2006, 16:50
here is a clip on youtube of Ilsinho in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0nsbnKQyN4
wohoho! nice move...aldough it doesnt mean anything....
Still,there is one doubt of Braida's trip to South America. If he went there to try to sign Gago, Higuain or even Marcelo....whos positions are: DM, AMF, LB, why did we "end up"( still not finished) with a right back...?? I mean, Braida had a certain task in there, certain tactical or positional preferences that Milan needs. He didnt just went there to buy 2 or 3 players, but to buy the players he is aming too. If he was aming to buy Gago or Marcelo, it cant be possible that he instead of a DM decided to buy RB. That would be to unprofessional from Milan. So, maybe, we had an eye on this man (who might turn out to be good), made him an italian passport and signed him just as we wanted to. Yes,we do have another problems, not just RB spot, but RWB is also badly needed by Milan. If we went there with idea to sign new midfielder, we wouldnt buy a defender. Let those three end up in Madrid. We only need to buy smart, and we will be ok. But we do need to BUY. ( means- spend some money )
Calderon reveals £600M Real Madrid TV deal
tribalfooball.com - November 15, 2006
Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon has revealed the club has sold it's television rights for a massive £600 million.
Without naming the company involved, Calderon declared: "It's the most important contract in the history of world-wide sport."
The mega deal will run over six years and the Real supremo assured more details will be made public in the coming days.
First they sign all the players, then they sign a 600m TV deal. Is it possible that this number is right??? If it is, I think that Real is really going to become a force again.
By the way, does anyone know what our numbers are with the sponsors and the TV deals, and if yes, can you please compare them to other leading teams. It would be interesting to see how we compare on the market with other teams.
zlatanov
15-11-2006, 21:52
I think Juve, just before they got relegated, struck a deal with Mediaset, or was it sky, for around 80 mil euros/year. Milan got a similar amount too, if I remember correctly.
This Real M deal is indeed massive - that's about 150 mil euros/year for the next 6 years - but I doubt this would make them a better team, would mostly increase their popularity and status of a travelling circus, IMO.
The reason I say this is that they have been having A LOT of money at their disposal for quite some time now and money has never been an issue for Real at all. The problem is that they didn't know how to use/spend that money properly and that's something that can't be fixed with big TV deals.
All in all, a contract like this would ensure the financially secure future of Real M and will make sure that they stay one of the big players on the transfer market. Whether they will become a better team, however, depends on how they spend that money and not on the amount of cash they have.
joumasepoes
16-11-2006, 00:24
Well I think Real Madrid are moving in the right direction. Mijatovic has really made a massive difference. By January the teamwould be perfectly balanced between youth and experienced. They have quickly moved for Marcelo, and I have no doubt that they would secure at least 1 of Higuain and Gago. As for the massive amount of money theyre getting, thats at least a garuantee of 1 star player a season, so maybe we should start sweating about a Kaka transfer.
Our mid is always outplayed by others.
Only team I seen done that is Barcelona.
rosoneri_11
16-11-2006, 07:01
Hey Brazileiro!What is your opinion about these players?????
Here are the names,ages,teams they play for,and what position they play............
Wagner 20 Cruzeiro AMC
Cicero 21 Figuerence AMLC
Ricardinho 21 Gremio ST
Chiquinho 22 Palmeiras W/ML
Celsinho 17 Lokomotiv Moscow AMRC
Lima 18 Sao Caetano AMC
Ribeiro 19 Sao Paulo ST
Ratinho 18 Corinthias DR
Maicosuel 19 Parana AMRC
Rafinha 20 Schalke DR
Wagner 20 Cruzeiro AMC
Diogo 15 Sao Paulo under 20s ST
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Start sweating about a kaka transfer?!?
If manchester or bayern will sign an 600 mil euro contract we should think that we will loose another good players
i dont think so
Money are not the problem
As a club Milan is stronger than real (and its not only about money)
In the last 20 years Milan has achieved in Europe more than any other club
And we have to wait for the end of the season to see what kind of transfers Milan will make
zZ[-_-]Zz
17-11-2006, 16:23
some relatively good news about one of our supposed targets...
Higuain's Real move in doubt
River Plate have turned down an offer of 10 million euros (AUS$16.7million) from Real Madrid for teenage striker Gonzalo Higuain, labelling the amount 'insufficient'.
The 18-year-old was reported to be on the verge of signing a seven-year contract with the Spanish giants after impressing in the Apertura tournament this season.
However, River Plate board director Hector Grinberg told 26noticias.com.ar: "We did not talk with Real Madrid, but 10 million is not sufficient for us."
The River board is believed to have rejected the offer because they knew Real were prepared to pay 20 million euros (AUS$33.3million) to fierce rivals Boca Juniors for Fernando Gago.
Higuain, who was born in France, claimed he was eager to grab the 'incredible' opportunity to play for Real while he could.
"They like me now, but maybe not in June," he said.
This week, newspaper As conducted an interview with Higuain at the player's house, where they took a photo of him in a Real Madrid t-shirt.
"I do not know if we are bothered, although it would have been better to take a photo with negotiations finalised," Grinberg added.
"It was done to convince the player to sign."
Higuain's father Jorge, meanwhile, said: "Nobody took a photo. It was a trick with the face of Gonzalo and the body of (Ruud) van Nistelrooy."
Photographer Pepe Andres however insisted the photo was authentic.
http://203.15.102.152/home/index.php?pid=st&cid=78129
there was also a report indicatin' that Milan offered 14 million for him... but can't seem to find it again...
joumasepoes
18-11-2006, 00:48
Start sweating about a kaka transfer?!?
If manchester or bayern will sign an 600 mil euro contract we should think that we will loose another good players
i dont think so
Money are not the problem
As a club Milan is stronger than real (and its not only about money)
In the last 20 years Milan has achieved in Europe more than any other club
And we have to wait for the end of the season to see what kind of transfers Milan will make
Its not a question of money but a big IF for qualifying for UCL. Milan wouldnt have been in this situation had they at the very least but decent squad players
[QUOTE=joumasepoes]Its not a question of money but a big IF for qualifying for UCL.
Thats why i said that we have to wait for the end of the season
This thread is just depressing. Its full of promise and expectation, when we all know none of the players are going to come to Milan.
rahul.acm
18-11-2006, 07:57
El Milan mejora la oferta del Madrid por Higuaín
El acuerdo entre el Real Madrid y River Plate para asegurarse al delantero Gonzalo Higuaín “no está ni cerca de producirse”. Esto manifestó a Marca el presidente de River, José María Aguilar, quien además se mostró muy molesto porque el jugador posó con la camiseta del club merengue, sin que aún los clubes hayan alcanzado un acuerdo.
Aguilar indicó que “hoy hay ofertas más importantes que la del Real Madrid por el jugador”. Una de ellas es la del Milan (no quiso decir la cantidad) y otras presentadas por el grupo inversor. El mandatario también dijo “que es imposible que Higuaín se marche en enero” y cuestionó duramente la actitud de Jorge Higuaín, padre del jugador, quien está presionando para que Gonzalo sea vendido. A su representante, Norberto Recasens, le pidió “un poco de cordura”.
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/710823.html
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It says that we have entered the bidding for Higuain. River's prez is angry with Higuain as he wore a Real Madrid jersey before the deal was off. Whatever happens he will not be sold in January. River's prez is also angry with Higuain's father/agent who is pushing for the deal to be done in January. According to other news reports we have made a bid of 14 mn Euros. This is from MARCA.COM so it has to be true. If we are able to convince Higuain that his future lies in Milan then nothing can stop him from joining us.
Is he over rated?
Hey. I'm newbie here. :1five:
I browsing your posts in this thread. That's really good info. :clap:
Reading your posts, Brasileiro, I'm getting a little curious about the differences btw the players - Lucas and Arouca.
And I found that action in youtube.
Lucas looks very interesting to me...
http://www.youtube.com/v/zjJybDsoOys
Thanx for nice post and pliz keep posting when the news in brasil coming.
milanisti2503
23-11-2006, 09:52
is higuain has connection with milan??? I dont think so.milan always move slowly on transfer,thats make us dont get great player
joumasepoes
24-11-2006, 00:00
is higuain has connection with milan??? I dont think so.milan always move slowly on transfer,thats make us dont get great player
Yes we are linked to him. But braida just recently said that he is too expensive and that no stars want to play in Italy anymore. Thats complete rubbish if you ask me and he is just making up excuses not to spend money
From what I remember, Braida said that he wants to go in Madrid but never mentioned that stars don't want to come in Italy. Maybe you've read something different and if you have please state the source where Braida says that stars don't want to come in Italy anymore.
And also, Higuain isn't a star anyway so if he wants to go to Madrid then goodbye to him. We shouldn't bother over it.
I correct myself on the above post. I thought you were reffering to something Braida said a week ago. I just read what you said on tribalfootball. It is interesting, but reading that i have to agree with you that it is just an excuse of not spending money.
I mean a couple weeks ago they are pushing for arguably the biggest star of them all and now he says big players no longer want to come in italy. Doesn't make sense.
milanisti2503
24-11-2006, 06:54
Hey,its time to waste money.Milan never buy expensive player since many years ago!!!!!!! IS milan a poor team??? :dielaugh: I just can laugh very rich team like milan,very2 concern about wasting money :dielaugh:
Hey,its time to waste money.Milan never buy expensive player since many years ago!!!!!!! IS milan a poor team??? :dielaugh: I just can laugh very rich team like milan,very2 concern about wasting money :dielaugh:
How many years ago? Oliveira this year, Gilardino last one, a little further back Nesta, Inzaghi and Rui Costa for a silly amount of money.
zZ[-_-]Zz
24-11-2006, 09:06
Milan has apparently back away from chasin' Higuain... statin' that 14 million euros is too much...
zlatanov
24-11-2006, 09:15
latest I read is that it wasn't as much about the money as it was for Higuain having Real on his mind and a figure of 11.7 was mentioned - money which Real had supposedly agreed to pay to River. His father was also in the go-to-Real mix.
I don't know what the big hype over Higuain is about. The guy emerged on the scene 1 month ago and has played regular starting 11 football for only months, not even a year. I know that he might turn out to be good in the future but I am starting to think that our menagement is taking the right step in this one. They were interested in him, they tried. First he costs too much for a player that seems to be too hyped up by River themselves just to bust up his value, and then he only wants to go to Madrid. Fine then let him go. He is not a superstar and he is not some great that has been at the scene in S.America for a while. The guy just came on the surface.
milanisti2503
25-11-2006, 07:28
How many years ago? Oliveira this year, Gilardino last one, a little further back Nesta, Inzaghi and Rui Costa for a silly amount of money.
Thats not much money for years,looks what other rich club do,like madrid,man utd,chelsea,even the team poorer then us like inter.They buy much expensive players.We aren't poor we are as rich as madrid !!!!!
ACMILAN1983
25-11-2006, 08:20
Thats not much money for years,looks what other rich club do,like madrid,man utd,chelsea,even the team poorer then us like inter.They buy much expensive players.We aren't poor we are as rich as madrid !!!!!
Real Madrid are quite possibly the most debt ridden club in World football.
Real Madrid are quite possibly the most debt ridden club in World football.
They have no debt anymore, Perez eliminated it.
Thats not much money for years,looks what other rich club do,like madrid,man utd,chelsea,even the team poorer then us like inter.They buy much expensive players.We aren't poor we are as rich as madrid !!!!!
It is easy for us to say here, it is not OUR money.
ACMILAN1983
27-11-2006, 04:13
They have no debt anymore, Perez eliminated it.
Really? didn't know that. Do they still get complete support of the Madrid council?
Brasileiro
27-11-2006, 12:15
Hey. I'm newbie here. :1five:
I browsing your posts in this thread. That's really good info. :clap:
Reading your posts, Brasileiro, I'm getting a little curious about the differences btw the players - Lucas and Arouca.
And I found that action in youtube.
Lucas looks very interesting to me...
http://www.youtube.com/v/zjJybDsoOys
Thanx for nice post and pliz keep posting when the news in brasil coming.
agatha,
I´m out of my town in a bussines trip, and without time to answer the questions. But I promise, thus that I come back home, I will answer.
To rossoneri 11:
In the first page of this thread, I wrote some impressions about Wagner of Cruzeiro...and as I said, later I will try to give more information about the others. :5ok:
rosoneri_11
27-11-2006, 15:03
To rossoneri 11:
In the first page of this thread, I wrote some impressions about Wagner of Cruzeiro...and as I said, later I will try to give more information about the others. :5ok:
I'm all.......eyes!!! :eekani: :sagrin:
Brasileiro
28-11-2006, 02:05
I'm all.......eyes!!! :eekani: :sagrin:
My friends, be the first to know the new pearl in Brazil!!
Alexandre Rodrigues da Silva(or Alexandre Pato): Support striker of Internacional.
Born: 02/09/1989
1,79m
71 kg
As I have little time, forgive me for the few details.
- One month(or more) ago, all the press in Brazil was curious about this kid, because Internacional coach(Abel Braga), put him in the list to play the WC of Clubs in december, and nobody know about this player. Last sunday, the boy played his first professional game against Palmeiras...and...It was unbelievble :dazed:
1 goal, 2 ast and some amazing plays. The kid shows no weakness in his game. Great skills, dribles, pass, good aerial game and seems to have a great character.
-It was to be only a great debut of a 17yo kid in brazilian league,but after the game, Abel Braga(coach) and some Internacional managers had explained of where it came a talent like this. They said that this kid was training with the professional team has some time. But the kid was without a professional contract(it agreed terms of a contract until 2009 friday), and they were with fear of to show Alexandre in Brasileirão. With all reason, therefore until Arsene Wenger, send a person to talk w/ the kid some time ago. What shows how competent is Arsene in find talents around the world, because even for us(brazilians), Alexandre Pato was a stranger.
- They(coach, managers and teammates) are so high in Alexandre, that everytime that coach went to make a mini-game or an COLETIVO(as we call here the starters against the bench players), the guy took off the press of the facilities, just to prevent the hype. Because, as I said, Alexandre was without a contract(his new clause contractual jump of 4 mil to 20 mil of dollars), and the club was afraid of any person pay the 2 millions and buy the boy. Until his teammates had been forbidden to talk about the guy in the press, after some of them talk wonderful things about the player, only increasing the hype.
Of course, It´s his first game as professional(but just because the contract thing), and I´m just puting some news for you guys. But, the performance of the boy is causing a havoc in Brazil :) and IMO is more than worth to keep an eye on this kid....the WC of Clubs in Japan can be a good possibility to see the boy in action, because it will be a starter. Maybe we can see him against Barcelona defence in the final of the tournament.
Some goals of Alexandre in Brazilian under20 Championship. His team Internacional was the champions, and it was the star with 7 goals.
Against São Paulo:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y8rjyDIOG6Q
In the final against Grêmio:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DZFW6F3QTmI
BTW, AS is saying that the Atlético Madrid is in the race to purchase Wagner(Cruzeiro), and also Lucas Leiva:
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Atletico/pretende/medio/ofensivo/Wagner/dasftb/20061128dasdaiftb_9/Tes/
Really? didn't know that. Do they still get complete support of the Madrid council?
They eliminated it by selling that training facility.
Barcelona on the other hand is in deep debt, about the only reason I could see for Ronaldinho to come here.
ACMILAN1983
28-11-2006, 05:02
They eliminated it by selling that training facility.
Barcelona on the other hand is in deep debt, about the only reason I could see for Ronaldinho to come here.
Ah I do remember hearing briefly about Real selling the training facility. I didn't take much notice of it at the time.
I personally am not too interested in Ronaldinho at this point, though he has skill and marketing appeal, I don't think he's a player that we need right now.
On the other hand, this kid at Porto, Anderson, is looking more of an interesting prospect to me. He's still very young (18), but seems he has pace, skill (compared to Ronaldinho a fair amount) and plays in a pretty direct way it seems. I'd be interested in him as potentially he is a brilliant foil for Gila. I do wonder about his strength on the ball though, but at 18 he's probably not even physically mature yet, meaning strength should come as he gets older.
Personally, I think Milan scouts should be keeping close tabs on him. Brasileiro, any thoughts on the boy?
How do you download videos from u tube......enlightened me please
zlatanov
28-11-2006, 18:53
here's a falshlight :diablo:
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20548&highlight=download+youtube
rosoneri_11
29-11-2006, 05:03
My friends, be the first to know the new pearl in Brazil!!
Alexandre Rodrigues da Silva(or Alexandre Pato): Support striker of Internacional.
Born: 02/09/1989
1,79m
71 kg
As I have little time, forgive me for the few details.
- One month(or more) ago, all the press in Brazil was curious about this kid, because Internacional coach(Abel Braga), put him in the list to play the WC of Clubs in december, and nobody know about this player. Last sunday, the boy played his first professional game against Palmeiras...and...It was unbelievble :dazed:
1 goal, 2 ast and some amazing plays. The kid shows no weakness in his game. Great skills, dribles, pass, good aerial game and seems to have a great character.
-It was to be only a great debut of a 17yo kid in brazilian league,but after the game, Abel Braga(coach) and some Internacional managers had explained of where it came a talent like this. They said that this kid was training with the professional team has some time. But the kid was without a professional contract(it agreed terms of a contract until 2009 friday), and they were with fear of to show Alexandre in Brasileirão. With all reason, therefore until Arsene Wenger, send a person to talk w/ the kid some time ago. What shows how competent is Arsene in find talents around the world, because even for us(brazilians), Alexandre Pato was a stranger.
- They(coach, managers and teammates) are so high in Alexandre, that everytime that coach went to make a mini-game or an COLETIVO(as we call here the starters against the bench players), the guy took off the press of the facilities, just to prevent the hype. Because, as I said, Alexandre was without a contract(his new clause contractual jump of 4 mil to 20 mil of dollars), and the club was afraid of any person pay the 2 millions and buy the boy. Until his teammates had been forbidden to talk about the guy in the press, after some of them talk wonderful things about the player, only increasing the hype.
Of course, It´s his first game as professional(but just because the contract thing), and I´m just puting some news for you guys. But, the performance of the boy is causing a havoc in Brazil :) and IMO is more than worth to keep an eye on this kid....the WC of Clubs in Japan can be a good possibility to see the boy in action, because it will be a starter. Maybe we can see him against Barcelona defence in the final of the tournament.
Some goals of Alexandre in Brazilian under20 Championship. His team Internacional was the champions, and it was the star with 7 goals.
Against São Paulo:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y8rjyDIOG6Q
In the final against Grêmio:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DZFW6F3QTmI
BTW, AS is saying that the Atlético Madrid is in the race to purchase Wagner(Cruzeiro), and also Lucas Leiva:
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Atletico/pretende/medio/ofensivo/Wagner/dasftb/20061128dasdaiftb_9/Tes/
Thanks Brasileiro!Good informations!Alexandro Pato look very talented! :cool:
Brasileiro
29-11-2006, 09:17
Ah I do remember hearing briefly about Real selling the training facility. I didn't take much notice of it at the time.
I personally am not too interested in Ronaldinho at this point, though he has skill and marketing appeal, I don't think he's a player that we need right now.
On the other hand, this kid at Porto, Anderson, is looking more of an interesting prospect to me. He's still very young (18), but seems he has pace, skill (compared to Ronaldinho a fair amount) and plays in a pretty direct way it seems. I'd be interested in him as potentially he is a brilliant foil for Gila. I do wonder about his strength on the ball though, but at 18 he's probably not even physically mature yet, meaning strength should come as he gets older.
Personally, I think Milan scouts should be keeping close tabs on him. Brasileiro, any thoughts on the boy?
Agree, Anderson is a future WC player.
When Anderson was at Grêmio, it was used t Kaká role or as second foward. But in Porto, the boy is showing some versality. I was impressed when I saw Anderson playing(and good) in a 3 man mid at Porto de CoAdriansen. The typical Dutch 3 man midfield is hard for brazilians OMD, because you need some strenght, and play defence to be good. Remember that Diego had problems in this role in Portugal, and right now is in a amazing form in Werder(but playing in taditional OMD role).
Just some time ago, I read that Anderson started as LB in Grêmio. Maybe this explain how fast the guy adapt itself in the 3 man midifield...and also, although it not to be so tall, Anderson is(and play) VERY strong.
IMO, Anderson can´t be seen as a promise, but as a reality. As they said in Portugal, Andershow already was the main player of the Porto(It´s a shame that the Benfica guy broke his leg :wth: ), and more important(IMO), has a great character, and is well liked by his teammates.
ACMILAN1983
29-11-2006, 12:08
Agree, Anderson is a future WC player.
When Anderson was at Grêmio, it was used t Kaká role or as second foward. But in Porto, the boy is showing some versality. I was impressed when I saw Anderson playing(and good) in a 3 man mid at Porto de CoAdriansen. The typical Dutch 3 man midfield is hard for brazilians OMD, because you need some strenght, and play defence to be good. Remember that Diego had problems in this role in Portugal, and right now is in a amazing form in Werder(but playing in taditional OMD role).
Just some time ago, I read that Anderson started as LB in Grêmio. Maybe this explain how fast the guy adapt itself in the 3 man midifield...and also, although it not to be so tall, Anderson is(and play) VERY strong.
IMO, Anderson can´t be seen as a promise, but as a reality. As they said in Portugal, Andershow already was the main player of the Porto(It´s a shame that the Benfica guy broke his leg :wth: ), and more important(IMO), has a great character, and is well liked by his teammates.
I'm interested to see whether Milan will ever have any interest in him. Thanks for the comments.
Gago's move to Real looks an almost certainty now, whilst Inter are linked with Lucas. We seem to have given up on all these players right now.
rosoneri_11
30-11-2006, 05:13
Real Madrid agree personal terms with Gago
tribalfooball.com - November 30, 2006
Real Madrid have struck personal terms with the agent of Boca Juniors midfielder Fernando Gago.
Gago's agent, Marcelo Lombilla, agreed terms with Real Madrid sports chief Pedja Mijatovic over lunch yesterday in Madrid. The deal is until 2012.
Meanwhile, Boca president Mauricio Macri maintains he wants Gago to play in their Copa Libertardores campaign.
“My desire is that Gago plays the next Copa Libertardores and I hope to see that happen, because it is very disappointing to have to lose a player who we created and watched grow in the club. It is impossible that Madrid can unveil Gago on Sunday or announce his signing because no agreement exists between the clubs."
BYE BYE GAGO.
hitmannq8
30-11-2006, 16:02
So Braida's trips to South America in the summer, and the one last month was absolutely useless?
Milan cant use the reason that "all south amerians want to go to Real or Barca", that is our fault. We need to be more ambitious, we need to spend more money instead of going for players that are for free (we're goin for another free agent, Belletti, instead of buying Oddo,Alves,Reveilliere etc)
So Braida's trips to South America in the summer, and the one last month was absolutely useless?
We cant' tell since we neither know who he watched nor talked too, nor what his objectives where...
it's so exciting.
I'm gonna see the Alexandre pato's game vs Barca on TV.
Another rumour to comfort the Rossoneri faithful. Let's face it, Milan will NEVER sign any player during the winter transfer. Even if they did, he'd be someone in the class of Favalli or Simic. I mean they could have easily made a bid for Oddo but now they are going for someone like Belletti who is a non-EU player. Milan have used up all of the available non-EU slots. Pato is too young and not yet a proven striker. I just get frustrated whenever i read this transfer rumours concerning Milan because they're never going to happen. Look what happened to Zambrotta, Oddo, Buffon, Suazo and etc. Milan were linked with these players before the start of the season. Imagine if they were actually in the team.
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