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Graeme C
16-08-2006, 03:19
Milan are currently searching for a striker who can replace Andriy Shevchenko upfront, with Ronaldo, Drogba and Iaquinta being the likely favourites.
However, in the meantime another player has entered the Rossoneri's shortlist and that is Rafael Sobis.
The 21-year-old is currently playing for International di Porto Alegre after a year with Corinthians.
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Peachtot
16-08-2006, 03:31
i read he is 172 cm height player. not fit with milan's criteria for a striker, i think.
what do you say mate ?
Graeme C
16-08-2006, 03:35
im not sure, think this is just another one on the rumour mill? i have got to admit i havent heard much about sobis?
kastriot
16-08-2006, 03:56
I have seen him play.Sobis is good, he is quality player, but is a good solution in the long run, but this year I dont see him performing in the highest level.
I think they our managment don´t know what to do right know...
I think they our managment don´t know what to do right know...
same here, but i am now waiting for next wed to make any comments, i just hope the guys have some plan, the lack of news is really bad ... but the coni appeal is most important now and the cl qual, so lets just wait and let the media do what they do.
KingHenry®
16-08-2006, 04:59
http://youtube.com/watch?v=69etnJ0VYr0
i hav no complaints
I've seen him play few times and I donmt want him as our solution for selling Sheva. Better buy some great AM and change to 4-5-1 if we cant get a forward.
I wouldn't mind if we got Sobis & Marcelo, adding some good quality youngsters to the side would be good to see.
i read he is 172 cm height player. not fit with milan's criteria for a striker, i think.
what do you say mate ?
tevez is not higher than him:D. I won't be bothered to have this youngster:D.
Nirvana FC
16-08-2006, 06:43
In terms of football, he is the closest thing to Sheva I've ever seen. The way how he plays, he thinks etc.
Some time ago I thought he was overrated, but now I evaluate his reputation here in Brazil as a fair one. He is fast, possesses high football IQ, can assist, know how to score - specially in big games! - etc.
For a sum about 10 mill any team can hire him and he's just starting his career.
It is officially put in channel4.com :
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Sobis next on Milan list Wednesday 16 August, 2006
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Milan are still searching for a striker and have picked out Rafael Augusto Sobis of Internacional Porto Alegre as a possible target.
The Rossoneri have yet to replace Andriy Shevchenko upfront, after his departure to Chelsea, with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Didier Drogba and Vincenzo Iaquinta on the Via Turati club’s shortlist.
Sobis’ name has now been added to that piece of paper after negotiations to bring Ronaldo back to Italy from Real Madrid came to an abrupt halt.
The 21-year-old moved to Porto Alegre after one year with Corinthians and has won seven caps with the Under-21 Brazilian national side.
Sobis impressed with his performance in the first leg of the Copa Libertadores Final last Wednesday, when he netted two second half goals allowing Internacional to defeat Sao Paulo 2-1.
Sobis is not a totally new name for Italian football fans after he was paired with an Inter transfer in November 2005.
Massimo Moratti’s club expressed an interest in the player, whom they were apparently willing to offer £7m for, but no compromise could be reached with his Brazilian club.
If we can get this guy then we "beat" Inter this time.... :5inter: :5inter: :5inter:
Come on Berlusconi...open your wallet now and forget Fat Ronnie :5love:
will we really field a front trio of kaka-gila-sobis though?
I really think given the age of our two other automatic starters we need someone established, aswell as fairly young. torres and tevez aren't much older, but you could be almost sure you could stick them in the first team and get results. this sobis would have to be something special and personally I'm not sure he is.
we need a first choice player, not an exciting prospect.
KingHenry®
16-08-2006, 07:11
is it worth the risk tho?
Dr Milano
16-08-2006, 07:29
i think milan should sign this guy time is running out ... time is money ...
Ronaldo thinks hes a hero - but hes a zero
Iaqunita - Just not milans class ...
So its gotta be this guy at 21 he's really young and could make a impact ... plus that Video Suprememilan posted that is one class goal :dstup: imagine him doing that in Serie A
zlatanov
16-08-2006, 08:04
I think Sobis is a player we should keep an eye on but don't see Milan getting him now as he could hardly offer something more than Gila or Pippo. He has yet to really prove himself that he is good enough even for the best teams in Brazil let alone a club like Milan and to do so takes much more than several impressive games and nice goals.
i think, at this point, if there is really any Interest from Milan for Sobis, we consider him more of an alternative to Iaquinta and Suazo rather than Ronaldo, Tevez, Torres i.e. Sobis is more of an alternative for a striker we could go for if we do NOT make it in the CL.
i read he is 172 cm height player. not fit with milan's criteria for a striker, i think.
what do you say mate ?
LOL, how can you say something like that? for christ sakes.
Sobis is awesome. Internacional is one step from being Champions of the Libertadores Cup and Sobis is doing GOOD. he scored 2 goals on the first leg against Sao Paulo at the Morumbi (Sao paulo stadium).
Arildonardo
16-08-2006, 09:04
I think they our managment don´t know what to do right know...
I think that's the impression you get from reading all the stories about players being linked. Beware that most of the stuff you read is only rumours, and probably have no truth to it whatsoever.
I don't think they are desperate, only cool and waiting for the right moment to buy the right striker for the right price.
Exactly.. also they want to make a WISE decision.. not just buy the first 20-24 year old striker they see. Just have patience..we'll sign a great striker.
Josh-Sheva
16-08-2006, 10:24
Why do some think he is bad, he seems like a quality player...
He will make a good addition, better than Amoroso
hitmannq8
16-08-2006, 10:27
I dont know why people think he will be purchased as a fourth striker. I really think he is better than Gila and Inzaghi at the moment. Has anyone been watching Copa Liberatodes this season? he has been sensational. We were also close to getting him in April/May I believe. We should go for him, but not in the expense of Tevez.
Don't you think his size(or lack thereof) will make a difference in his performance in Serie A..?
It's not like he's a midget, i don't think it'll effect his performances at all.
Don't you think his size(or lack thereof) will make a difference in his performance in Serie A..?
He's bigger than Tevez or Messi and I don't think most would complain too much about either of them. (Although admittedly there are some here who would find reason to complain no matter who Milan bought.) :5love:
Sobis is one of the best young players in Brazil. I'd be quite happy if Milan were to buy a young player of his ability. :rone:
Warro Bantan
16-08-2006, 11:40
I have no problems with us getting a young player, matter of fact, I think that he could be a good aquisition...this is the very reason why I wasnt adamant on Crespo coming...we need a longer term investment than 29+ year olds can offer.
We need a player that can give us what Sheva gave for 7 years...almost always producing 15+ goals per season...and making assists as well.
This is why personally, Tevez is my 1st choice, since he can both provide, and finish chances...however, I dont know that Sobis can play this role...can he?
Well then I have no problem with him coming.. Brazilians generally have a quick style of play which will benefit us on the counter attack. The only thing is.. Kaka + Gila + Sobis in attack.. what happens if he doesn't fit in well ? Gilardino isn't exactly reliable when it comes to firing goals in, especially in CL.
Warro Bantan
16-08-2006, 11:50
Then we take off Gila, and put on Pippo...or we start with Pippo, then put Gila on...I think Gila has a world of potential, we just need patience with him.
If this Sobis can hold the ball, beat players, make assists, and score goals, we may not need a Torres..or a Ronaldo..I would be fine if he is 85% of Tevez´s ability.
zlatanov
16-08-2006, 11:51
Exactly.. also they want to make a WISE decision.. not just buy the first 20-24 year old striker they see. Just have patience..we'll sign a great striker.
that's what I am thinking too. Milan cannot buy every other "phenomenon" that comes out of Argentina or Brazil. Imagine what would have happened if that were the case with all the Aguerros, Cavenaghis, Svaiolas, Luis Fabianos, Freds, Diegos, Robinhos, etc, etc, etc. What is the dif between when all these came into prominence and attracted the fans' attention and this case with Sobis? Absolutely no dif at all.
As Mystik said, it takes some patient scouting and we need to make sure that should we go ahead, we would be doing so for the right player (like Kaka) not just another fan favourite, who has managed several good games in a row. Not only funds but also space on the team is limited - at most 4-5 strikers - so we can't just buy Brazilian and Argentinian talent by the kilo and then throw away whoever has proven to be yet another overhyped product.
Exactly. I think our board will make a smart decision on the young players they buy.. just as they did with Sheva when he was 22-23 and Kaka and Gourcuff(whose impact is left to be seen.. but has impressed in training so far). I'll support our board 100% with whatever decision they make.(unless it's Drogba..;) )
GRE-NO-LI
16-08-2006, 12:13
Do you'll support Ronaldo or Iaquinta, Mystik?
Bosniaco
16-08-2006, 12:23
This kid is good, I like him. I hope he comes to Milan.
Goddamn, someone said that Gilardino is good and he believed. Milan expent SO much money on someone that don't worth that ammount of money. for christ sakes, its there, you just have to look at it. Inter is making a hell of a team, most with players that were linked with us at first, while we are getting the goddamn Copolla, Gourcuff (wtf?) and Bonera. what do they have to offer? NOTHING. and you say that Sobis height don't fit with Italian League?
***** WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE *****
kastriot
16-08-2006, 13:19
Sobis is awesome. Internacional is one step from being Champions of the Libertadores Cup and Sobis is doing GOOD. he scored 2 goals on the first leg against Sao Paulo at the Morumbi (Sao paulo stadium).
That is so true, so if you want to see Sobis in action jsut watch the second leg of the CLC final. he was impresiv in the first leg
Bosniaco
16-08-2006, 13:29
Goddamn, someone said that Gilardino is good and he believed. Milan expent SO much money on someone that don't worth that ammount of money. for christ sakes, its there, you just have to look at it. Inter is making a hell of a team, most with players that were linked with us at first, while we are getting the goddamn Copolla, Gourcuff (wtf?) and Bonera. what do they have to offer? NOTHING. and you say that Sobis height don't fit with Italian League?
***** WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE *****
Ej man take it easy alright. You probably didn't even watch Gourcuff play so don't write thing that you don't know ok.
zlatanov
16-08-2006, 13:49
That is so true, so if you want to see Sobis in action jsut watch the second leg of the CLC final. he was impresiv in the first leg
and what if he has an average game? Does that mean we should completely forget about him?
Asking, because this is more or less the same as saying we MUST buy him just because he was impressive in the fist game and several other games too.
Goddamn, someone said that Gilardino is good and he believed. Milan expent SO much money on someone that don't worth that ammount of money. for christ sakes, its there, you just have to look at it. Inter is making a hell of a team, most with players that were linked with us at first, while we are getting the goddamn Copolla, Gourcuff (wtf?) and Bonera. what do they have to offer? NOTHING. and you say that Sobis height don't fit with Italian League?
Saying that Gourcuff and Bonera have nothing to offer is ridiculous and ignorant. How can you judge someone who you've never seen play? Ever heard the expression "Don't judge a book by its cover?" Well that doesn't even apply here because you've never even seen his cover, whatever it is. This reminds of the Soviet saying "I haven't actually read the book, but..." directed at any sort of dissenting literature. And look what happened to the USSR!
Also, I'm sick of people taling about how great Inter is becoming. They do this every year. And if you think Inter is making a hell of a team, why don't you just support them?
Oh jeez.. here it starts. Look.. lemme clarify my position. I believe we SHOULD look for a young replacement for Sheva so that our attack should be good for a good few years down the line. However.. I'm just saying that we should have patience and let our board properly scout out the talent that fits the needs of our team. You look like you'd be satisfied with any young player who has an impressive video on youtube. I'm not saying that Sobis is or is not a good player. I have not seen him in action enough to judge that. All I am saying is that our management is rightfully taking its time in looking for a striker because this striker will probably be thrown straight into the starting 11 and we definitely can't put ANYBODY into our starting 11. Hopefully that clarifies my position.
Now about Ronaldo and Iaquinta. Iaquinta I definitely do not want at Milan. Ronaldo isn't my first choice option but IS a proven goal scorer so I won't cry if he comes. Rick can provide stats to back me up on that one.
(Response to GNL by the way)
Sandro13Nesta, what you're doing to Gourcuff & Bonera is what you're accusing some people of doing to Sobis.
Great post Mystik. I agree about the youtube videos. I can make a compilation video of my 75 year-old grandma and half the people here will be so impressed they'll want Milan to sign her right away :D
Sandro13Nesta, what you're doing to Gourcuff & Bonera is what you're accusing some people of doing to Sobis.
Hi Jim,
The thing is. If Milan have signed Gourcuff, is because he did good at the France league. WAIT, FRANCE LEAGUE! gimme a break man, FRANCE LEAGUE SUCK! and you know that.
Now about Sobis. I'm really impressive about you guys don't put your hopes on him. Milan always did good with Brazilians. Sobis is an AWESOME player and I know that because i watch this men playing EVERY WEEK. so if YOU don't want to believe any of the Brazilians that come here to let YOU know ......
He is also playing for France U21. At least watch the guy play before you judge him. I suppose by your reasoning.. Juninho and all players who play in the French league must suck too ?
Hi Jim,
The thing is. If Milan have signed Gourcuff, is because he did good at the France league. WAIT, FRANCE LEAGUE! gimme a break man, FRANCE LEAGUE SUCK! and you know that.
Now about Sobis. I'm really impressive about you guys don't put your hopes on him. Milan always did good with Brazilians. Sobis is an AWESOME player and I know that because i watch this men playing EVERY WEEK. so if YOU don't want to believe any of the Brazilians that come here to let YOU know ......
Yeah, none of those French players ever do anything after they leave France. What ever happened to those guys who used to be so good in France? What were their names? Something like Zidane, Henry, Platini, Cantona? Stuff like that? Those guys were really good in France. Don't suppose any of them ever amounted to much after that though. Anybody know what happened to those guys? :wow:
BTW, I've seen Gourcuff play a number of times. He's pretty damned good. So is Sobis.
zlatanov
16-08-2006, 15:20
Hi Jim,
The thing is. If Milan have signed Gourcuff, is because he did good at the France league. WAIT, FRANCE LEAGUE! gimme a break man, FRANCE LEAGUE SUCK! and you know that.
Now about Sobis. I'm really impressive about you guys don't put your hopes on him. Milan always did good with Brazilians. Sobis is an AWESOME player and I know that because i watch this men playing EVERY WEEK. so if YOU don't want to believe any of the Brazilians that come here to let YOU know ......
And what makes you think that you are someone who could let anyone here know something we already don't? What makes your opinion of a player so trustworthy that once you deam a player AWESOME, this is indeed the case.
btw, there are some other people from Brazil who make their opinion heard and heard with respect without hammering it into other members' heads with empty promises of superior knowledge.
And, if you go back in the posts, you will see that hardly anyone ever said that Sobis isn't a talanted player, a great talent, ot whatever. The issue here is whether being very good for half a season in Brazil is enough of a proof to warrant an IMMEDIATE transfer to Milan because if it were then that means Milan should have bought also players like Luis fabiano and Diego, who are a total failure in Europe so far - this goes twice for LF !!!!
And I am sure that while they were still playing in Brazil there were many others just like you who were willing to come out and say how AWESOME those two were and now look how wrong they would have been ... and mind you, your opinion isn't any more foolproof than theirs.
Oh, and please try to make this the last time you use profanity to underline your point because patience isn't among my greatest virtues. Thanks
zlatanov
16-08-2006, 17:43
btw, if someone's interested in watching Internacional - SP, the game is at 02.00 am (UK time, Thursday), 04.00 am (CET, Thursday) or 9.00 pm (EST, Wednesday) and is supposed to be bradcasted by CCTVSoccer and MittwochTV (ARD) on those stream programs - PPLIve, SopCast, PPStream, etc, etc.
kastriot
16-08-2006, 18:55
and what if he has an average game? Does that mean we should completely forget about him?
Asking, because this is more or less the same as saying we MUST buy him just because he was impressive in the fist game and several other games too.
No Zlatanov, you got me wrong, When I sad " if you want to see Sobis in action" I wasnt implying that he is good or bad. It was just an info for the ones that had never seen him playing, and I just added that he was amazing in the firs leg, which he truly was, but its up to you to decide if his good or not..
zlatanov
16-08-2006, 20:20
No Zlatanov, you got me wrong, When I sad " if you want to see Sobis in action" I wasnt implying that he is good or bad. It was just an info for the ones that had never seen him playing, and I just added that he was amazing in the firs leg, which he truly was, but its up to you to decide if his good or not..
I know, what I said I meant as a point in general that a few very good games from him isn't enough to make a final judgement on whether he is Milan material or not. Sorry if singled out your post :)
But let me remind you that Kaka was also not the phenom he is today. When we signed him nobody expected him to be such a hit. In fact, I'm sure his old club, Sao Paulo never expected this, otherwise his transfer fee would have been much higher and we would have been quite happy to pay it.
Sometimes we just got to take chances. It's a calculated risk. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. We took a chance on Kaka, and won big time. We took a chance on Contra, for instance, and lost. So if this kid is really good, then let's take a chance--give him a shot at Milan and let's see what he can do. There is no better time than the present as we have yet to replace Sheva with a big name striker.
Difference: When we signed Kaka.. we had Rui Costa. If Kaka failed.. Rui Costa was a starter anyway so it wouldn't affect us as much. NOW if we do sign this Sobis guy and he fails.. what do we fall back on..? Gilardino(who hasn't found his goalscoring touch yet and Inzaghi who isn't getting any younger ? We can't expect Pippo to save us all the time. I agree we will need to take a risk.. no matter which striker we buy. However we can reduce that risk.. by buying a player that at least has been consistently scoring goals and fits the description of the forward that we're looking for. That I believe is the reason we haven't signed a striker yet. We know we are going to take a risk.. but we want to reduce that risk as much as possible by extensively scouting our targets.
What you say is true. But wouldnt you also say that Torres is a gamble? He is young and has never scored regularly in serie a. If we spend a fortune on him, could we really count on him to shoulder all the responsibilty for scoring goals? What I'm trying to say is that there arent many PROVEN, experienced strikers on the market at present. There was Crespo and there was Ibra, and they are both gone--you know where. The only strikers available now are young but with great potential---Torres, Tevez, Sobis, etc.... So why not take a chance?
After all GIla, Pippo and SObis is better than just Gila and Pippo, right?
Yes I'm saying we should and probably will take that chance. However our management wants to be 100% sure before they make their decision. Obviously money isn't an issue for a team like Milan. If we make up our mind on a player.. and he's DEFINITELY the answer.. we'll get him. Just have some patience.
EDIT: Sorry I forgot to answer your question.. yes Torres is a gamble.. an extremely expensive one also. For a striker who doesn't even score much in La Liga.. he's way too expensive. Huntelaar would be better.. but sadly he is cup-tied. At least he has a good goal scoring record though.
Sobis is a good venture, much wiser option than fat Ronaldo, Iaquinta, Tevez. But I just want to remind some of you of this fact: if Sobis alone is 1m72 it may bo fine, but if we play Sobis up front (1m72) and Seedorf, Pirlo, Gatuso (1m76 - 1m77) and Brocchi right back (may be 1m75) how do we combat in the air.
GilAttack [11]
16-08-2006, 21:46
Lets buy Fernandao
:guw: :guw: :guw:
Sobis is a good venture, much wiser option than fat Ronaldo, Iaquinta, Tevez. But I just want to remind some of you of this fact: if Sobis alone is 1m72 it may bo fine, but if we play Sobis up front (1m72) and Seedorf, Pirlo, Gatuso (1m76 - 1m77) and Brocchi right back (may be 1m75) how do we combat in the air.
That's why we buy Diarra/Maxi Rodriguez and start either instead of Seedorf ;)
devoted_dm
16-08-2006, 21:54
Sobis is a good venture, much wiser option than fat Ronaldo, Iaquinta, Tevez. But I just want to remind some of you of this fact: if Sobis alone is 1m72 it may bo fine, but if we play Sobis up front (1m72) and Seedorf, Pirlo, Gatuso (1m76 - 1m77) and Brocchi right back (may be 1m75) how do we combat in the air.
Isn't Cannavaro about the same height as Sobis?
Besides, Gila is tall...
GilAttack [11]
16-08-2006, 23:35
And besides, Tevez is a better option than Sobis.
Josh-Sheva
17-08-2006, 00:22
Yeah, he is much more expensive too :)
We can get Sobis now and Tevez later :)
Sobis is a good venture, much wiser option than fat Ronaldo, Iaquinta, Tevez. But I just want to remind some of you of this fact: if Sobis alone is 1m72 it may bo fine, but if we play Sobis up front (1m72) and Seedorf, Pirlo, Gatuso (1m76 - 1m77) and Brocchi right back (may be 1m75) how do we combat in the air.
The beanpole is more than 2m tall and sucks at heading. :5love:
zZ[-_-]Zz
17-08-2006, 02:09
comparin' Sobis & Torres is a little strange to me... one has WC experience... has scored goals for his senior national side... as well as in the WC... playin' in a top-flight league... against top-flight opponents... has done well with a mid-ranked team in a top-flight league... while the other has only about 6 months credibility... if gettin' Sobis is a big risk... gettin' Torres definitely isn't a bigger risk...
Tony Soprano
17-08-2006, 02:13
Zz']comparin' Sobis & Torres is a little strange to me... one has WC experience... has scored goals for his senior national side... as well as in the WC... playin' in a top-flight league... against top-flight opponents... has done well with a mid-ranked team in a top-flight league... while the other has only about 6 months credibility... if gettin' Sobis is a big risk... gettin' Torres definitely isn't a bigger risk...
I totally agree. The only doubt many and I have is that generally speaking, Spanish players haven't really performed that well for us. Torres may or may not do well for us, but we would be taking a big risk if we signed him. As for Sobis, I think he still is to inexperienced for a side like Milan.
Someone here said the match would be kicked off at 2GMT. I started watching it at 3 GMT, and it's 90 already:(, and Internacional was being attacked, so I couldn't see anything of Sobis apart from sitting and crying in the end:(.
Guys, I did want Sobis (rather than Tevez) I just wanted to point out that getting Sobis we must get some of the physical players too, Diarra is that option. If we can field a good combination of the 2 groups: group 1: Pirlo, Seedorf, Gatuso, Brocchi, Sobis and group 2: Kaka, Gourcoup, Diarra, Ambrosini, ... It will be a desaster to field all 5 (Pirlo, Seedorf, Gatuso, Brocchi, Sobis) at once.
So how did Sobis get on, the match ended 2-2 right ?
Maybe someone can post up some details on him like how many goals he's scored in Brazil, etc ??
Our strikers could be Gilardino, Inazaghi, Tevez & Sobis ... that's pretty good i think :)
moriconi
17-08-2006, 05:07
sobis in amoroso out sounds good to me
sobis has only scored 2 goals in about 9 games(8 starts) in the brazilian league this season, last season he got 19 in 35 games, i think tevez has 3 goals in 5 games this season last season he got 20 goals in 29 games which is awesome.
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 06:21
Someone here said the match would be kicked off at 2GMT. I started watching it at 3 GMT, and it's 90 already:(, and Internacional was being attacked, so I couldn't see anything of Sobis apart from sitting and crying in the end:(.
Oh, Sleep, I was the one who said that but what I said was that it would start at 02.00 am UK TIme - at this time of year UK Time = BST(Brittish Summer Time), not GMT and BST=GMT+1 ... for most of the year, UK time is GMT, but not in the summer.
Anyway, you didn't miss much. There were 4 goals scored in that game, a RC for Internacional, and some intrigue in the end when SP could have scored a 3rd goal, but overall the quality of the game was pretty poor IMO, I personally expected much more to be honest.
As for Sobis, he didn't score but played very well IMO with fast, incisive runs forward and showed that he is an intelligent player, who is aware that he has a head on his shoulders and not just 2 feet. His speed and running reminds of how Torres plays, only much more purposeful in his actions than the Spaniard, so if it comes to choosing between spending 40 mil on Torres and 10-15 on Sobis, for me the choice is clear.
Still, as ZZZZZ pointed out, Sobis has appeared on the radar pretty recently and has yet to prove that he isn't yet another one-season wonder like so many others. If he manages to keep it up, with a little more experience under his belt he could be indeed a viable option to go for. I do believe, however, that right now, it is a bit too early to see in him the new Sheva as he has yet to prove something - not that he has quality, but that he can consistently show it time and again over a couple of seasons. A little more experience wouldn't hurt either, I guess.
Thanks Dann. At some point last night's match will be on Channel 4, so i'll be able to see him then.
So who do Internacional play next ?
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 06:28
So who do Internacional play next ?
Barcelona in Tokyo ;) :sagrin:
What ??!!
I thought this was the Copa Libatedores ??
You can bet Barcelona will be all over Sobis like a rash :yuck: Get lost Barca, he's ours ! :D
HAHA.
I Disagree with you Zlat. I think That was a great game with many score possibilities. The draw was fair in my opinion and Inter deserve the win for what they did on the first game.
As for Sobis, he didn't scored, but thats pretty much what Zlat said. he played very well, fast and objective, may not be shown but its tough to take the ball from him. With all those strong SP Defenders, he could keep the ball with him most of the time.
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 06:46
What ??!!
I thought this was the Copa Libatedores ??
You can bet Barcelona will be all over Sobis like a rash :yuck: Get lost Barca, he's ours ! :D
yes, this was the final of the Copa Libertadores, so the winner goes on to play Barca - the CL winner for 2006 - in Tokyo this December, I think.
not sure where barca would put him since they play with 1 striker and they already have Dinho, Etoo, Gudjohnsen, Saviola, Giuly etc. and most of these are still pretty young players.
What ??!!
I thought this was the Copa Libatedores ??
You can bet Barcelona will be all over Sobis like a rash :yuck: Get lost Barca, he's ours ! :D
The match today was the Final:D. So Internacional will play Barca in Club World Champions <not sure about this name>.
They have Messi aswell Zlatanov and yes, they probably don't need him but Barca are like Venus fly traps ... luring in their prey 'Yes, come play for us, we have Ronaldinho, you can play alongside him' ... then snap, they get them ...
Sobis will be in action this weekend in the league, so we can all watch him then.
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 07:06
They have Messi aswell Zlatanov and yes, they probably don't need him but Barca are like Venus fly traps ... luring in their prey 'Yes, come play for us, we have Ronaldinho, you can play alongside him' ... then snap, they get them ...
Oh, yeah, I totally forgot about Messi :v46: ... well, that would make it even easier for us to get Sobis out of their catalan claws but you are right, one never knows with barca
HAHA.
I Disagree with you Zlat. I think That was a great game with many score possibilities. The draw was fair in my opinion and Inter deserve the win for what they did on the first game.
yeah, you are probably right .. maybe I just had some pretty unrealistic expectations about that game. So, then I guess, Sleep should indeed be sorry for missing out on a good game ... just kidding :tong:
Internazionale are after Sobis too. Milan can't let it happen again.
King tiger
17-08-2006, 07:46
You mean Illegazionale?:d
I hope he comes hes a perspective player.
haha, yeah, sorry for that.
How do you guys call the fag side? haha, just want to know.
I read abt Sobis in goal.com yesterday! I hope he will be ours soon! I haven`t seen him playing but as I know he is a great talent!
Nirvana FC
17-08-2006, 08:24
Sobis's agent said today that Braida oficially contacted him asking for some infos last week. Guess Tevez or Sobis will arrive...
Great!
:5ok:
It'd be better if only one arrived.. because if both did.. one would definitely not see much playing time.
e.g Tevez starts with Gila. Ancelotti usually only does one striker-striker switch which would 90% be Pippo. Sobis only gets to play in Copa Italia.
ELI-JAH abiola
17-08-2006, 09:03
i read he is 172 cm height player. not fit with milan's criteria for a striker, i think.
what do you say mate ?I think u are right about that, out of the strikers available in the world is that the striker milan is after ! . I think they have lost their mind.
ELI-JAH abiola
17-08-2006, 09:05
Sobis's agent said today that Braida oficially contacted him asking for some infos last week. Guess Tevez or Sobis will arrive...
Great!
:5ok:I don't agree
***** ELI-JAH, try to make a point without being disrespectful, will you. thanks *****
What do you mean Nirvana's talking nonsense ? He's from Brazil, he has more knowledge about what's going on with Sobis than anyone else (except other members from Brazil :D) !
Sounds like you're the one talking nonsense, especially if you believe we shouldn't get Sobis because of his size.
ELI-JAH abiola
17-08-2006, 09:37
from all that I have read nobody is addressing the facts. Milan this days is becoming stingy with ressources like i have said in all my previous contribution milan is not ready yo do well in the CL , the reson is that the are not ready to make sacrifices with the cash at their disposal to get the best platers that would give young players like kaka hope that the club is not ambitionless in other not to seek greener pastures elsewhere. I have made several frank contributions since i join what i call this oganization , if i may call it so. we are being stingy with cash.
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 09:43
ELI-JAH, I remember your first post at MM pretty well, and based on that and this one, I think you are living with the idea that MilanMania and its members are in some, direct or not, responsible for the policy of the AC Milan management. We are neither connected with the club nor do we have a say in what goes on at AC Milan, we a re just a bunch of avid supporters of the club, who have come here to lay out what's on our minds.
Fater having Carlito in our buying list and the news that Delio Rossi has no objection to let Oddo go...then the picture of our coming players woul;d probably .....:
Oddo, Carlito Tevez, Sobis.....
The list would be even better if we can add Gallas...
Come on Berlu.....just issue the checks and bring them in......and make Intermerda cry like always.......... :5inter: :5inter: :5inter:
i prefer tevez over sobis
though i wouldnt mine seeing sobis come to us
Warro Bantan
17-08-2006, 10:54
I thought the Tokyo Cup was no more, since FIFA has the World Club Cup or some nonsense?
Brasileiro
17-08-2006, 11:12
i prefer tevez over sobisthough i wouldnt mine seeing sobis come to us
I agree...but after watching Tevez a lot, I just don´t think it´s worth the amount that Corinthians ask. Tevez is a GOOD player with a big HEART, and will be an upgrade at our strike position(like Sobis), but it´s overrated. Besides, Tevez has so much IF´S: always asking permition to travel to Buenos Aires, had brawls w/ 3 teammates...
Regarding Sobis...he´s a good player, but peolple are overrating it´s talents.
Sobis is overrating? well, each person has your vision about players.
By the way, do you root for Bahia? Vitoria? you must be pretty pissed, dude.
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 11:56
I thought the Tokyo Cup was no more, since FIFA has the World Club Cup or some nonsense?
oh, yeah, you are right ... totally forgot about that FIFA had masterminded yet another gem :str: :grinser:
It'd be better if only one arrived.. because if both did.. one would definitely not see much playing time.
e.g Tevez starts with Gila. Ancelotti usually only does one striker-striker switch which would 90% be Pippo. Sobis only gets to play in Copa Italia.
You seem to forget that Pippo'll be injured for a long stretch of the season. :(
Nirvana FC
17-08-2006, 14:41
According to a Brazilian web site (reliable source), Sobis can be a Milan player today.
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1250316-4410,00.html
His agent said that the negotiations, official negotiation, are under way and a deal can be reach today for 8 mill.
Warro Bantan
17-08-2006, 14:46
Thanks Nirvana!! Nice of you to keep us posted!
While a lot of fans here might think he is too young, etc etc... the fact is, out of the million or so forwards in Brazil, and the half a million playing elsewhere in the world, Dunga chose him to play for Brazil, not once, but twice...so he must be talented, and probably talented enough for Milan.
I would hope that his aquisition doesnt preclude Tevez joining us...
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 14:49
Thanks nirvana,
for this kind of money, I would get him in a heartbeat as we could afford to buy him now and loan him out to gain some experience ... of course, there is also the posibility that carlo might want him to stay.
i am still hoping for tevez though :)
P.S. I don't understand much Portogese so, could you tell me what is that 25% mentioned in teh article. Is it how much Internacional would get from the deal or by how much offer and asking price differ? Thanks
Nirvana FC
17-08-2006, 14:51
P.S. I don't understand much Portogese so, could you tell me what is that 25% mentioned in teh article.
Is it how much Internacional would get from the deal?
Yes.
8 millions?????? isn't it the same value that Milan gave for Kaká?
Milan should make a bill for Fernandao too, he's definetily more cheap than Rafael.
This is too good.
zlatanov
17-08-2006, 15:00
pretty much, for Kaka was 8.5 mil euros, I think. What surprises me is how little Inter would get from this deal. I am guessing a lot of money would go to his agents, who might own part of his footballing rights, and maybe his previous club in Brazil, was it Corinthians? Not sure.
Zlatanov,
Rafael is a grown of Internacional, just like Daniel Carvalho and Nilmar. Corinthians got him on Loan once, but he did not good, was too young, so he get back to Internacional.
Bosniaco
17-08-2006, 16:42
Milan: quasi fatta per il brasiliano Sobis
22:01 del 17 agosto
Momento magico per Rafael Sobis. Dopo aver vinto la Coppa Libertadores in finale contro il San Paolo, l'attaccante brasiliano è ormai prossimo al trasferimento in Europa.
In pole position per il suo acquisto c'è il Milan. Nelle prossime ore si terrà l'incontro decisivo tra i rossoneri ed i dirigenti dell'Internacional. Se tutto andrà per il verso giusto, l'annuncio ufficiale potrebbe anche arrivare nella giornata di venerdì.
Il presidente del club brasiliano di Porto Alegre, Fernando Carvalho ha dichiarato: "Non abbiamo già venduto il giocatore, ma ci sono dei contatti".
_MaJi_tz
17-08-2006, 17:01
rafael sobis hmmm... I have never seen him play but i think that he can be replace for amoroso and if we win against red star than we must buy torres or tevez defint
Dr Milano
17-08-2006, 17:03
rafel sobis I have never seen who he play but i think that he can be replace for amoroso and if we win against red star than we must buy torres or tevez defint
get Tevez and Rafael Sobis :dcool: 2 will do fine and sell amoroso :27rr: who is bollocks
news on Sobis
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5880632
sheva-gila
17-08-2006, 17:06
can onyone translate this??? please
Calcio: Internacional smentisce cessione di Sobis al Milan
SAN PAOLO (Brasile) - Il Milan e' interessato a Rafael Sobis, attaccante dell'Internacional di Porto Alegre, la squadra brasiliana vincitrice ieri sera della Coppa Libertadores, ma non ha ancora chiuso l'acquisto. Lo ha dichiarato il presidente del club carioca, Fernando Carvalho. ''Sobis non e' stato venduto - ha detto Carvalho - Abbiamo qualche contatto ma nulla di concreto''. (Agr)
Brasileiro
17-08-2006, 17:09
Sobis is overrating? well, each person has your vision about players.
By the way, do you root for Bahia? Vitoria? you must be pretty pissed, dude.
It´s just my opinion...people are overrating Sobis. I dind´t said that Sobis is a bad player, just that I don´t see Sobis as a great player.
Man, my Bahia :5milan: Pissed é APELIDO!!rsss
It´s just my opinion...people are overrating Sobis. I dind´t said that Sobis is a bad player, just that I don´t see Sobis as a great player.
Man, my Bahia :5milan: Pissed é APELIDO!!rsss
Well, the fact is Kaka wasn't exactly the biggest name in Brazil before he came too. Milan make him into one of the best player in the world currently. How many of those great names eventually make it in the end? We need a player with good potential but most importantly with the correct attitude, that's all.
I guess there were contacts between AC Milan directors and Internacional's. Sobis' haven't signed anything. But time will tell.
It's really a good time to sign those two Latinos starlet. But i guess it will be great if we had Mascherano pre contracted for next season.
Sobis,Tevez, and Gallas. and we are settled enough for this year campaign.......
It´s just my opinion...people are overrating Sobis. I dind´t said that Sobis is a bad player, just that I don´t see Sobis as a great player.
Man, my Bahia :5milan: Pissed é APELIDO!!rssshaha, i can imagine how angry you are!
About Sobis, I'm sure he's the best option. you'll see. Afterall, Milan need a second Striker like Sobis or Tevez.
can any one translate the sites above to English please?
I thought the Tokyo Cup was no more, since FIFA has the World Club Cup or some nonsense?
FIFA's Club World Championship, featuring the top club teams from soccer's six confederations, will be played on Dec. 10-17 in Japan. Spain's FC Barcelona, New Zealand's Auckland City FC and Mexico's Club America have already qualified for the competition, which last year was won by Sao Paulo in a final against England's Liverpool.
I guess at least one more:D. But do you know why they choose Tokyo?
GRE-NO-LI
17-08-2006, 23:07
Hell yeah, let's get Sobis and Torres / Tevez! :)
guerrilla
17-08-2006, 23:50
please tell me, can our club buy more than 1 non-europe player in 1 season?
and as for Sobis, he has any relations with Italy or some european country?
from my usual chinese source, they mention that he can be officially unveiled as early as saturday... oh well```
It looks like it is almost a done deal, i hope the player is good as some of you say!
Graeme C
18-08-2006, 04:16
sports.it say we will sign sobis now and if we get into the champ league we will go for Torres or Iaquinta also...
sheva-gila
18-08-2006, 04:23
i found some info about him man hi is just 21y old this could be great
Rafael Sobis
Nome: Rafael Augusto Sobis
Data de nascimento: 17/06/1985
Partidas pelo elenco profissional: 132
Gols pelo elenco profissional: 38
Local de nascimento: Erechim RS
Altura: 1m72cm
Peso: 73Kg
Clubes: Internacional (2004)
sports.it say we will sign sobis now and if we get into the champ league we will go for Torres or Iaquinta also...
The first one is more believable than the second one...
KingHenry®
18-08-2006, 04:39
its all over the web and papers, great news
we could be ours as early as the weekend, sweeeeeeeet
sheva-gila
18-08-2006, 04:44
if we get Sobis I think we wont get Torres or Iaquinta ...Sobis-Gila thats will be our atack ....if we get Torres than what will happen with GILA ???
i hope we sign both sobis and tevez because both are brilliant second strikers that we need badly, which means that inzaghi and gila can not play together anymore. please dont sign mascherano/torres/iaquinta they are overrated in my opinion. is foggia good player?
we will be superb in 4-2-3-1 formation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gourcuff kaka sobis/tevez supporting gila/inzaghi!
He hasnt scored many goals but i read that he provide good passes for strikers
Didnt we have Kaka for that
I hope we will sign a good striker too and sell Amoroso
Brasileiro
18-08-2006, 05:31
Well, the fact is Kaka wasn't exactly the biggest name in Brazil before he came too. Milan make him into one of the best player in the world currently. How many of those great names eventually make it in the end? We need a player with good potential but most importantly with the correct attitude, that's all.
Sorry, but you´re wrong.
Kaka was the MVP of Brazilian Championship before coming to Milan...and one year before, was teh "rookie of the year". Sobis isn´t in the "same league" of Kaka before coming to Milan. But I agree about a player w/ potential for our squad...
If Sobis came to Milan, great, I will be glad. But I just didn´t see this POTENTIAL that some people are talking. Just for a example(players out of Internacional), Nilmar or Daniel Carvalho, are much better than Sobis...
Oggi Su Tgcom Si Legge Che Il Milan Si Investira' 10 Millioni Di Euro Su Sobis
guerrilla
18-08-2006, 06:26
Is there anyone can tell me?
If we buy both Sobis and Tevez, what about the rules that an Italian club
can buy only 1 non-euro player in 1 season?
please tell me, can our club buy more than 1 non-europe player in 1 season?
and as for Sobis, he has any relations with Italy or some european country?
Sobis has some potential, but Tevez is class abouve him. If we really wqant to be super strong, we need Tevez. Im sure we can pay for him!!!
wilson19860516
18-08-2006, 07:41
sobis is just 21 years old.now,he maybe hasn't enough actual strenght and some experience of big club,but i believe milan can make him to grow up!After 1or2 years,he will shine in milan
I am no expert about european law regarding non-EU players, but I am sure you can do so. Look at the idiots of inter. They got Maicon and Maxwell, 2 brazilians, while last yr, they added cesar and julio cesar if I remember correctly. Tevez, Sobis, Huntelaar, these are all players that are good enough to come to milan. We should buy at least 2 out of the 3 over the next yr or so. Forget lard asses like ronaldo, and no need to deal with peasants like Calderon. That guy reminds me of a beggar who has just won the lottery.
Kaka was huge in Brazil before we signed him and if Sobis turns out to be half as successful with us as Kaka is, then i'll be very happy.
I don't believe he's the next wonderkid but he does have potential, which is great. All i'm expecting of him (if we sign him) is that he scores a few goals, works hard and has a bit of spark about him, just like Gourcuff & Foggia.
£7 million is quite alot for him though, maybe we can knock that down a little bit.
Lets hope he's the first of several important signings for us.
If the deal is made, I believe this gamble is really Galliani's move to find Sheva's successor. When Sheva came to Milan, he didn't score that much in his domestic league, like Luis Fabiano, but on a bigger stage like camp nou.
crazymilangirl
18-08-2006, 10:01
80% done deal..wow...we could use him but i really hope he isn't shevas replacement...i want tevez or torres there...
hope something happens before 30.august :w262:
GilAttack [11]
18-08-2006, 10:11
No surprise, he is from Brazil and that for Milan's management is a huge plus (dont ask me why...).
What's the deal with signing more than one foreign player this summer..? What's the exact ruling ?
I think there would have been a very good chance we would have signed him even if Shevchenko was still here. I'm quite certain that the Milan officials don't see him as the man to replace Shevchenko, to suggest this is slightly ludicrous.
GRE-NO-LI
18-08-2006, 10:56
Perhaps not the best guy to replace Shevchenko, but certainly a great purchasing: he's a young (21 years old) and fast striker, who is extremely determinated and has an awesome conclusion. However, he is not the "bomber" type, he still did not developed the "killer instinct" for goal. He kicks very well, knows how to pass thru the defenders, but has a bit to learn about the shortcuts that lead him to the goal. However, one must remember he has been elected Campeonato Brasileiro 2005 best striker, above players like Tevez.
Perhaps not the best guy to replace Shevchenko, but certainly a great purchasing: he's a young (21 years old) and fast striker, who is extremely determinated and has an awesome conclusion. However, he is not the "bomber" type, he still did not developed the "killer instinct" for goal. He kicks very well, knows how to pass thru the defenders, but has a bit to learn about the shortcuts that lead him to the goal. However, one must remember he has been elected Campeonato Brasileiro 2005 best striker, above players like Tevez.I can't agree with you.
Perhaps not the best guy to replace Shevchenko, but certainly a great purchasing: he's a young (21 years old) and fast striker, who is extremely determinated and has an awesome conclusion. However, he is not the "bomber" type, he still did not developed the "killer instinct" for goal. He kicks very well, knows how to pass thru the defenders, but has a bit to learn about the shortcuts that lead him to the goal. However, one must remember he has been elected Campeonato Brasileiro 2005 best striker, above players like Tevez.
Mauybe Tevez is realy not as good as we thought? He certainly impressed in World Cup but what else? (Of course, I may be wrong -.-!)
zlatanov
18-08-2006, 12:08
Mauybe Tevez is realy not as good as we thought? He certainly impressed in World Cup but what else? (Of course, I may be wrong -.-!)
as far as I know, he was voted best player in the Brazilian League in his first season there - and he's Argentinian ;). Also, including his time at Boca, he has been voted several times - 3 altogether, I think - the best player of all of South America (like the Galden Ball for Europe), has won the Copa Libertadores with Boca and all that at 22 years of age.
I don't know about others, but this goes as "extra special" in my book :diablo:
Mauybe Tevez is realy not as good as we thought? He certainly impressed in World Cup but what else? (Of course, I may be wrong -.-!)
46 goals in 77 games for corinthians in a good goal-scoring record in my opinion, i would like sobis but he only has 38 goals in 132 games.
77 games? Tevez didn't played 77 games for Gayrinthians man. thats crazy.
77 games? Tevez didn't played 77 games for Gayrinthians man. thats crazy.
yes he has its even on the official site its in all comps not just the league i'm not gonna lie am i.
It just sounds too much for me.
I believe you, man.
It just sounds too much for me.
I believe you, man.
i no it sounds too much for me aswell but its a good record, hopefully he could have a record like that at us if we buy him.
GRE-NO-LI
18-08-2006, 14:25
Well, Football Italia is saying that if we managed to secure our CL spot (and God willing, we'll do that!), we'll not only get Sobis, but also head for Torres, and that sounds like music to my ears.
Well, Football Italia is saying that if we managed to secure our CL spot (and God willing, we'll do that!), we'll not only get Sobis, but also head for Torres, and that sounds like music to my ears.
but if we fail in our bid for torres we will go for iaqinta :doh:
GRE-NO-LI
18-08-2006, 14:47
Yep, that's the HORROR part of the show...
Yep, that's the HORROR part of the show...
Yes we HAVE seen a lot of shows: :w200:
:27rr:
Crespo - History Film
Ibrahimovic - War Film
Torres - Action Film
Ronaldo - Comedy Film
Ronaldinho - Fantasy Film
Iaquinta - Horror Film
Sobis - Mystery Film
Tevez - Foreign Film
Surprise Signing - Silent Film!!! :whie:
Mauybe Tevez is realy not as good as we thought? He certainly impressed in World Cup but what else? (Of course, I may be wrong -.-!)
I remember seeing him in a tournament, which i'm pretty sure was the 2004 Olympic games in Athens. He was the star of the show and i'm pretty sure he was top scorer with 7 or 8 goals. Anyway, the point is he stood out then so i'm sure he'll do really well for us.
Anyway, maybe over the weekend we'll have secured Sobis, which will be a nice start :)
zlatanov
18-08-2006, 15:27
Surprise Signing - Silent Film!!! :whie:
So, what now, we are gonna go for Charlie Chaplin? :)
Yes we HAVE seen a lot of shows: :w200:
:27rr:
Crespo - History Film
Ibrahimovic - War Film
Torres - Action Film
Ronaldo - Comedy Film
Ronaldinho - Fantasy Film
Iaquinta - Horror Film
Sobis - Mystery Film
Tevez - Foreign Film
Surprise Signing - Silent Film!!! :whie:
most creative post I've seen in weeks... rep. points to you... :rock3:
Warro Bantan
18-08-2006, 15:58
Nice one arcy!!
Hasan Rossonero
18-08-2006, 16:12
Yes we HAVE seen a lot of shows: :w200:
:27rr:
Crespo - History Film
Ibrahimovic - War Film
Torres - Action Film
Ronaldo - Comedy Film
Ronaldinho - Fantasy Film
Iaquinta - Horror Film
Sobis - Mystery Film
Tevez - Foreign Film
Surprise Signing - Silent Film!!! :whie:
Fantastically done
Josh-Sheva
18-08-2006, 16:16
Yes we HAVE seen a lot of shows: :w200:
:27rr:
Crespo - History Film
Ibrahimovic - War Film
Torres - Action Film
Ronaldo - Comedy Film
Ronaldinho - Fantasy Film
Iaquinta - Horror Film
Sobis - Mystery Film
Tevez - Foreign Film
Surprise Signing - Silent Film!!! :whie:
Brilliant, Tevez should be a wonder film :)
I like the Sobis Mystery bit :pr115:
sheva-gila
18-08-2006, 16:22
this is what cafU have said about SOBIS
MILANELLO - Marcos also covered the transfer market and the possible arrival of compatriot Rafael Sobis: ’I know him well and he’s a really great player, he’s known for what he has done in the Cup Liberadores now but he’s done well and been called up to the national side. He’s a midfielder and support striker, but not an out-and-out striker.’ As for the new Brazil coach, Marcos respects his choice; ’Dunga was a great player, a great captain and give everyone a lift, now he’s looking to bring that to the national side. We have plenty of time and have to respect his choices.’
douse this mean that we will sing TORRES or TEVEZ?????
Josh-Sheva
18-08-2006, 16:25
What has that article got to do with Torres and Tevez?
One or the other + Sobis is probably what will happen after we beat Belgrade :)
sheva-gila
18-08-2006, 16:34
What has that article got to do with Torres and Tevez?
One or the other + Sobis is probably what will happen after we beat Belgrade :)
he mention that he is a MD+support striiker kinda different with TORRES role
Josh-Sheva
18-08-2006, 16:35
That doesn't mean we will get both, Torres and tevez?
sheva-gila
18-08-2006, 16:41
That doesn't mean we will get both, Torres and tevez?
you didn't get me right??? I said TEVEZ or TORRES
KingHenry®
18-08-2006, 16:51
That doesn't mean we will get both, Torres and tevez?
are u mad?
Brasileiro
18-08-2006, 17:32
he mention that he is a MD+support striiker kinda different with TORRES role
Trust me, Sobis has NOTHING to do at MID...Sobis is a support striker!!
Brasileiro
18-08-2006, 17:38
I remember seeing him in a tournament, which i'm pretty sure was the 2004 Olympic games in Athens. He was the star of the show and i'm pretty sure he was top scorer with 7 or 8 goals. Anyway, the point is he stood out then so i'm sure he'll do really well for us.
Anyway, maybe over the weekend we'll have secured Sobis, which will be a nice start :)
You´re right. Tevez was amazing in Olimpics...
BUT...Tevez is a BIG head case. Even splited in a teammate in Corinthians. Besides the more than 3 brawls(w/ teammates)...
Tevez is really a good player, but can´t stand his off the field problems...
Warro Bantan
18-08-2006, 17:46
Brasileiro, I doubt Tevez will bring this "baggage" with him to Milan. He knows that coming to this club, will be a "high-point" in his career, (if not the high point) and as such I doubt he will mess it up due to personality issues.
Also, remember he was on the receiving end of some strong tackles in training, from his own teammates which could (as was the case with Robinho and Graverson) end up in a training ground spat...
[now, I ask you, Robinho vs Graveson is not the fairest matchup in the world, and I certainly wouldnt go around picking fights with a Frankenstein look-a-like..but it shows how easy it is to get caught up in a training ground fisticuff...though I have never heard of that happening at Milanello].
Tevez will come here, (hopefully) and work with some of the worlds best professionals, some of whom I am sure he idolised in his childhood.
I have no concerns about his "personality" issues...and because he isnt Brazilian, he wont be wanting time off to go to Carnival! :D
guerrilla
19-08-2006, 01:32
anyone see this news
"Sobis al Milan Berlusconi blocca tutto"?
what it mean?
Sobis can't come?
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/sportnetwork/
I have no concerns about his "personality" issues...and because he isnt Brazilian, he wont be wanting time off to go to Carnival! :D
Haha, Edmundo was a real diva! :D
Billy1969
19-08-2006, 02:00
It means : Sobis at Milan, Berlusconi blocks everything!
Viewing the title it seems as if Berlusconi doesn't want him, but Italian papers are famous for their sensational and "double meaning" headlines, so we'll have to wait to read the full article.
Ördöglány
19-08-2006, 06:12
The latest news on Sobis from sports.it:
Sobis: Vengo al Milan (http://sport.alice.it/it/cmc/calcio/200633/cmc_99944.html)
The player himself says that he will come to Milan. They are negotiating the deal and there are only few details to be agreed on for example whether he comes before or after the Intercontinental Cup.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
That's an aspect i never thought of. I'd want to take him now, especially if we don't/aren't getting anyone else. But then how often do you get to play in the Intercontinental cup ? Not often. That match isn't until December ( i think ), so i guess it's either now ... or in the January window. It'll be tough on Internacional, but i hope we'll get him immediately.
That's an aspect i never thought of. I'd want to take him now, especially if we don't/aren't getting anyone else. But then how often do you get to play in the Intercontinental cup ? Not often. That match isn't until December ( i think ), so i guess it's either now ... or in the January window. It'll be tough on Internacional, but i hope we'll get him immediately.
true, because the intercontinental is a huge deal in south america, much bigger than here.
but I think most south american players understand that, while sometimes moving in july/august is not ideal (in brazil they've just spent the last 5 monthes playing crappy state divisions before the season gets serious with the championship) they know it has to be done to come to europe.
I don't think anyone saw this guy coming.
zlatanov
19-08-2006, 06:51
Wasn't Amoroso one of those players who sacrificed playing in the Intercont. Cup for a transfer to Milan?
I actually hope we get him after the Intercont. Cup because that would mean we would have finished playing the group stage of the CL, should we qualify for it, and Milan management would never risk letting Milan play those CL games without other reinforcements in attack. So, if we do want Sobis, and I suspect we cause he seems to be a very talanted player available for not much money, we would have to invest in another forward by the time Sobis arrives - like Tevez for instance ;) - plus I doubt Galliani sees in a young and not so experienced and established player like Sobis, the IMMEDIATE replacement for Sheva.
i think to be honest amoroso should be transfered back to brazil, it would free up an EU spot aswell I think (unless he got citizenship from playing in italy the first time)
I hate how once again, everything seems to be resting on a single moment. The trial, then the Uefa thing, now the CL matches .... It's never ending.
With any luck Amoroso will be included in either this deal or hopefully another South American deal.
I hate how once again, everything seems to be resting on a single moment. The trial, then the Uefa thing, now the CL matches .... It's never ending.
With any luck Amoroso will be included in either this deal or hopefully another South American deal.
yeah, I see what you mean. It's like all we've done this summer is sat around waiting for things to happen so we know exactly what sort of season we're in for.
It also feels like we're chancing our luck because we've managed to come through every hurdle so far. I just hope there isn't an upset in Belgrade.
Ördöglány
19-08-2006, 07:09
Wasn't Amoroso one of those players who sacrificed playing in the Intercont. Cup for a transfer to Milan?
Actually I think Amoroso came after playing in the Intercontinental Cup. What's more if my memory serves me right he got the same shirt number with us as he had in their cup success against Liverpool :grinser:
Originally Posted by Jeff
Mauybe Tevez is realy not as good as we thought? He certainly impressed in World Cup but what else? (Of course, I may be wrong -.-!)
You dont remember Tevez??? I'll refresh your memory. The last time we played him, he was hurt and didn't played fisrt half.
First half ended Milan 1-0 Boca.
Then Tevez came in the middle of the second half and simply made an inferno the lives our defencemen. Boca equalized(mostly due their improved movement causing trouble to Milan defence) and finally we lost the International Cup in penalties kicks.
By the way, Tevez was something about 17 or 18 years old by the time.
Tevez is for real man.. I pray we sign him.
just in time... Tevez figths again with Carlos Alberto during Corinthias pratice yesterday noon. There's no more envoirement to him continue in the club.
Actually I think Amoroso came after playing in the Intercontinental Cup. What's more if my memory serves me right he got the same shirt number with us as he had in their cup success against Liverpool :grinser:
Yes, Amoroso played and won International Cup and the hateful Liverpool(spit)
zlatanov
19-08-2006, 07:21
just in time... Tevez figths again with Carlos Alberto during Corinthias pratice yesterday noon. There's no more envoirement to him continue in the club.
problem is that with such "episodes" he is hardly making himself more attractive to the Milan bosses and in the end we may very well decide to skip on him, despite his great talant, namely for these incidents, 3-4 already I think, just like we did with cassano.
I am sure that if until now Galliani and co weren't sure about going for tevez, this incident would increase any doubts they might have had 10-fold.
zlatanov
19-08-2006, 07:23
Actually I think Amoroso came after playing in the Intercontinental Cup. What's more if my memory serves me right he got the same shirt number with us as he had in their cup success against Liverpool :grinser:
Oh, yeah, I remeber him in that game now. He came to Milan a little after that game, in the January transfer window, and Sao Paolo didn't pay him his cash bonus for being part of the Intercont. Cup winning team.
Billy1969
19-08-2006, 08:38
Sobis conferma, 'C'è offerta del Milan, ma non solo' (calciomercato.com)
15:18 del 19 agosto
L'attaccante dell'Internacional, Rafael Sobis, ha ammesso in un'intervista alla tv brasiliana Terra Esportes TV, di avere grosse possibilità di lasciare il club gaucho. Il giocatore ha confermato di aver ricevuto una proposta dei rossoneri.
"Conosco la storia del Milan e so che è un grande club, ma ho anche altre possibilità che non posso rivelare".
This says Milan is not the only club after him, he has other possibilities "he can't reveal", is this another Inter trick or do I get too paranoid?
I think you are being a little paranoid. But even if it was Inter i would hope we would have this deal done & dusted before they can.
I think you are being a little paranoid. But even if it was Inter i would hope we would have this deal done & dusted before they can.
News on channel4.com said that Adriano and Martins will be in the sale list. Pizzaro has moved to Roma.
Looks like that all clubs have their buy and sales activity EXCEPT MILAN !!!!!
Time is running out and seems that Berlusconi still hesitant to spend the funds.....till when?????
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 09:17
Real signed Diarra...
Yes, last night. I made my feelings known about that in the 'Transfers after CL qualification' thread :D
Capo Ultra
19-08-2006, 09:23
Looks like that all clubs have their buy and sales activity EXCEPT MILAN !!!!!
Time is running out and seems that Berlusconi still hesitant to spend the funds.....till when?????
Till wednesday the 23rd of August. No sooner than that.
Don't expect any signings, if we don't qualify for the Champions League...
i think sobis want to come now its up to berlusconi to spend the money
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug19i.html
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug19i.html
without "s" I think:D. if untill monday and we haven't bought Sobis, I guess we won't:D.
Well unless he's had a big change of heart since that article was put up, i don't think any of these other 'mystery' bidders need be a worry to us.
He's a confident young chap that's for sure :D
I like how he's excited to join us, that he's on the net all day looking up stuff about the city of Milan and also how he expects to take a while to adapt.
Lets hope he's wearing our shirt very soon.
Dr Milano
19-08-2006, 10:01
Well unless he's had a big change of heart since that article was put up, i don't think any of these other 'mystery' bidders need be a worry to us.
He's a confident young chap that's for sure :D
I like how he's excited to join us, that he's on the net all day looking up stuff about the city of Milan and also how he expects to take a while to adapt.
Lets hope he's wearing our shirt very soon.
:cheers: know thats cool ... :delol: this guy is a great guy just be reading this article it makes me feel excited Berlu Sign him KNOW i mean KNOW ...
and yeah Jim lets hope
zlatanov
19-08-2006, 10:03
Lets hope he's wearing our shirt very soon.
what makes you think he isn't already wearing it ... while posing in front of a mirror :de3:
Dr Milano
19-08-2006, 10:06
:5dito: what makes you think he isn't already wearing it ... while posing in front of a mirror :de3:
:firedev: you tell him zlat :firedev: you tell him :firedev:
Josh-Sheva
19-08-2006, 10:20
LOL, next, he will be posing in front of the San Siro!
Sobis is nearer and nearer to us, but I heard somewhere or from someone that we still want Fat Ronaldo and Berlusconi don't like Sobis:D.
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 10:41
Sobis is nearer and nearer to us, but I heard somewhere or from someone that we still want Fat Ronaldo and Berlusconi don't like Sobis:D.
Certainly only a joke, Sleep.
Certainly only a joke, Sleep.
no its true in the corielle dello sport berlusconi said that he wasn't great enough for milan so i think this transfer is off, hes a joke sobis could have turned out to be a really good player for us.
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 11:08
I cannot believe that, Dann... is that really true?!?
Haha I read that too. I think the football world is moving at slow motion in Berlusconi's eyes and still sees Ronaldo a few years back. But I don't think it said he didn't like Sobis. Also, I think the other club interested in Sobis is Valencia.
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 11:12
That's positivelly GROTESQUE, the guy is insane if he really said that...
I cannot believe that, Dann... is that really true?!?
according to someone in another forum they were registered on the correile dello sport website and they were able to read the paper which said that berlusconi said that he wasn't great enough for milan i also hope that its not true.
This is Sobis' statement as can be read on channel4.com :
quote.
Sobis: "I'm ready for Milan" Saturday 19 August, 2006
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Brazilian starlet Rafael Sobis has confessed he is on the verge of signing for Milan and cannot wait to get started in Serie A.
“It’s true, the negotiations are advanced and I can’t wait to run to Milan,” the Internacional striker told the ‘Gazzetta dello Sport’.
“I have to admit that I am very enthusiastic about this adventure. All day I have been surfing the Internet so I can find out everything about Milan. I already knew the team, but I’m discovering more about the city itself and it seems perfect for me. I hope everything can be concluded as quickly as possible.”
Sobis would be the replacement for £30m Chelsea man Andriy Shevchenko, joining other Brazilians such as Marcos Cafu, Ricky Kaka, Nelson Dida and Serginho.
“I have heard of everyone in the side, but I’ve not personally met any of them. I am in a tricky position at the moment, as I know talks are progressing well, but there’s nothing official yet. We follow Serie A games in Brazil and know Milan are one of the best teams in the world. My style is very different to yours, though, so I’ll need some time to settle in.”
It’s possible that the Rossoneri will let go of Marcio Amoroso, who arrived in January and barely set foot on the playing field, but he could prove useful as an introduction for Sobis.
“I like to move around off the ball, come back into midfield and make the most of my pace,” continued the youngster.
“What I love the most is running into the box and trying to score. I am a centre-forward, a born finisher. If you want a comparison, then I suppose you could say I resemble the early Amoroso, or perhaps Lyon striker Fred.”
Meanwhile, reports in the same newspaper suggest the road to Ronaldo’s door is still open, as Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani rang the Real Madrid star.
The key to bringing in the £10m rated Fenomeno lies in their Champions League qualification. That will be decided on Tuesday, after the second leg of the preliminary round tie with Red Star Belgrade.
unquote.
If Sobis is quite near so does Fat Ronnie if we win against Red Star.....what a misery to have the Fat Guy with Milan. The if Inter is an Argentinian connection team...Milan would be Brasilian connection team.....
Inter is set to release Adriano..the only Brasilian in Inter....is this in relation with Milan who seems to be reluctant to sign Tevez who is an Argentinian?? What a strange situation between Inter and Milan....
ferrari chick
19-08-2006, 11:14
I cannot believe that, Dann... is that really true?!?
it is ... at least that's what they say in corriere dello sport! :sigh:
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 11:16
I'm afraid to read that crap, damn...
If Sobis is quite near so does Fat Ronnie if we win against Red Star.....what a misery to have the Fat Guy with Milan. The if Inter is an Argentinian connection team...Milan would be Brasilian connection team.....
Inter is set to release Adriano..the only Brasilian in Inter....is this in relation with Milan who seems to be reluctant to sign Tevez who is an Argentinian?? What a strange situation between Inter and Milan....
I did notice that! Milan has been undergoing a lot of complicated situations and they might not be too keen on having both Brazilians & Argentineans to think about.
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 11:22
I simply cannot believe that, is too much mediocrity!
Josh-Sheva
19-08-2006, 11:53
If Sobis is quite near so does Fat Ronnie if we win against Red Star.....what a misery to have the Fat Guy with Milan. The if Inter is an Argentinian connection team...Milan would be Brasilian connection team.....
Inter is set to release Adriano..the only Brasilian in Inter....is this in relation with Milan who seems to be reluctant to sign Tevez who is an Argentinian?? What a strange situation between Inter and Milan....
No, it is not strange, remember, Redondo and all those ARGs we had on the team, it is not absurd, anyway, Tevez is better than any BRAs striker
Latest news are saying Milan will LOAN OUT Sobis to Valencia.... Which is not that bad of idea. Of course, that means we will buy another striker... Im just hoping it will not be Ronaldo. Someone needs to explain that to Silvio!!
_MaJi_tz
19-08-2006, 12:07
Latest news are saying Milan will LOAN OUT Sobis to Valencia.... Which is not that bad of idea. Of course, that means we will buy another striker... Im just hoping it will not be Ronaldo. Someone needs to explain that to Silvio!!
better that we loan out sobis to atletico give them money and bring torres
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 12:26
Latest news are saying Milan will LOAN OUT Sobis to Valencia.... Which is not that bad of idea. Of course, that means we will buy another striker... Im just hoping it will not be Ronaldo. Someone needs to explain that to Silvio!!
Now I have to disagree with you, Mrki... I guess it's an overwhelmingly STUPID idea, for God's sake!!! We need a younger, bolder and bigger squad, with more tatical and technical options, there's absolutely no friggin' cent of logic in buying a young and talented player like Sobis to loan him, that will be sheer nonsense!
Well I don't think we can buy and keep two non-EU players(correct me if I'm wrong).. So we probably are going to buy Sobis and loan him out.. and buy Tevez or another more established player.. and keep that player.
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 12:32
God may help us...!
Latest news are saying Milan will LOAN OUT Sobis to Valencia.... Which is not that bad of idea. Of course, that means we will buy another striker... Im just hoping it will not be Ronaldo. Someone needs to explain that to Silvio!!
can i ask you where did you hear that news? i heard that valencia have offered the same amount as us.
Sobis: l'agente avverte il Milan 'C'è il Valencia. Lunedì l'incontro'
18:17 del 19 agosto
Machado, procuratore di Sobis, alla stampa brasiliana spiega l'attuale situazione del suo assistito e parla della trattativa in stand by con il Milan:
"Era tutto già fatto. L'accordo con l'emissario del Milan, Gaetano Paolillo, venuto a Porto Alegre c'era. Mancava solo da definire la forma di pagamento, ma questo sarebbe potuto essere risolto via fax". Machado prosegue "Dico solo una cosa: il Valencia mi ha fatto un'offerta uguale a quella dei rossoneri e lunedì è già in programma un incontro con i dirigenti spagnoli. Se il Milan non si muoverà Rafael potrebbe andare in Spagna".
source calciomercato
Don't think Italy has strict rules on Non EU players otherwise Inert would have to sell half their players.
Besides I'm sure Tevez, Sobis have Italian, Spanish passports, so I don't we'd have any problems signing both, which I hope we do.
Billy1969
19-08-2006, 13:20
Sobis: l'agente avverte il Milan 'C'è il Valencia. Lunedì l'incontro'
18:17 del 19 agosto
Machado, procuratore di Sobis, alla stampa brasiliana spiega l'attuale situazione del suo assistito e parla della trattativa in stand by con il Milan:
"Era tutto già fatto. L'accordo con l'emissario del Milan, Gaetano Paolillo, venuto a Porto Alegre c'era. Mancava solo da definire la forma di pagamento, ma questo sarebbe potuto essere risolto via fax". Machado prosegue "Dico solo una cosa: il Valencia mi ha fatto un'offerta uguale a quella dei rossoneri e lunedì è già in programma un incontro con i dirigenti spagnoli. Se il Milan non si muoverà Rafael potrebbe andare in Spagna".
(calciomercato.com)
Actualy Sobis agent tells Milan that if they don't do the deal before Monday the talks with Valencia will begin, these made a similar offer as Milan's to buy him. Who first pays, gets him.
ZvonimirVukic
19-08-2006, 13:24
:5milan: seems like we are loosing sobis too
GilAttack [11]
19-08-2006, 13:25
As long as we get better players than Sobis, I have no problem...
Hasan Rossonero
19-08-2006, 13:41
:5milan: seems like we are loosing sobis too
Obviously this is just a rudimentary market tactic for Milan to commit quickly. A lot will also depend on the player and where he wants to go.
Don't think Italy has strict rules on Non EU players otherwise Inert would have to sell half their players.
Besides I'm sure Tevez, Sobis have Italian, Spanish passports, so I don't we'd have any problems signing both, which I hope we do.
Sobis has been quick to promote his European ancestry before.
Anyway, I'm convinced this could be a fantastic signing. Sobis is young, pacy and with a good eye for goal. Plus, from what I've seen of him (admittedly not in great detail) he is a striker willing to drop deep to pick up the ball, something we lost with the sale of Sheva. Gilardino and Inzaghi don't offe rthat level of link up play.
A young, hungry striker who's just shown his potential by scoring twice in the Libertadores final and getting a first call up to the Brazil side. Fits the bill perfectly as I see it.
Snap him up. He could be fantastic. :dcool:
enjoy these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwnmU4aZIqM&NR)
KingHenry®
19-08-2006, 14:57
enjoy these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwnmU4aZIqM&NR)
i would enjoy it much more if we actually signed him u know
Sobis will look spectacularly stupid if he suddenly turns round and goes to Valencia after all the comments he made about Milan.
It would be quite a waste of time by all the scouts and management who are in Brazil right now to do all the groundwork on him only to be told to forget it. I'm sure this won't be the case.
KingHenry®
19-08-2006, 15:00
Sobis will look spectacularly stupid if he suddenly turns round and goes to Valencia after all the comments he made about Milan.
It would be quite a waste of time by all the scouts and management who are in Brazil right now to do all the groundwork on him only to be told to forget it. I'm sure this won't be the case.
same hea... or maybe they want to get tevez
same hea... or maybe they want to get tevez
Can't they get both..? That's what I'm hoping for.
i would enjoy it much more if we actually signed him u know
So would I, but I like looking at potential.
Me too ... and if current prices are to be believed we could possibly get them both for roughly the same amount that we paid for Gilardino ... won't that be something :D
GRE-NO-LI
19-08-2006, 21:26
']As long as we get better players than Sobis, I have no problem...
The problem is not only with Sobis, dude, my real concern is that we're missing opportunities to sign worthy players each passing day... :irritate:
The board MUST have something in mind: football market is a sleazy, dirty, ruthless and cruel affair, it's "do or die!"...
I dont know why we are acting like a provincial club with extremely tight finances. What's the big deal? If our scouts think Sobis has got good potential and would fit in well, then let's sign the guy and give him a shot. What have we got to lose? If he doesnt do well, then we can always loan him out, or sell him off for a small loss. After all, we're not looking at an ultra-expensive signing here....
Originally posted by Grenoli
The problem is not only with Sobis, dude, my real concern is that we're missing opportunities to sign worthy players each passing day...
The board MUST have something in mind: football market is a sleazy, dirty, ruthless and cruel affair, it's "do or die!"...
Not if that scumbag Adriano Galliani still around
so Valencia is our main rival for Sobis? We can beat Valencia easily if we want Sobis. But if Galliani and Berlusconi want Ronaldo and don't want Sobis, you know what:D. To me, if Sobis comes Valencia or Milan, I'll be happy. Valencia is my favourite club too:D.
hitmannq8
20-08-2006, 00:39
Good and bad news here.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=14180
Machado, procuratore di Sobis, alla stampa brasiliana spiega l'attuale situazione del suo assistito e parla della trattativa in stand by con il Milan:
"Era tutto già fatto. L'accordo con l'emissario del Milan, Gaetano Paolillo, venuto a Porto Alegre c'era. Mancava solo da definire la forma di pagamento, ma questo sarebbe potuto essere risolto via fax". Machado prosegue "Dico solo una cosa: il Valencia mi ha fatto un'offerta uguale a quella dei rossoneri e lunedì è già in programma un incontro con i dirigenti spagnoli. Se il Milan non si muoverà Rafael potrebbe andare in Spagna".
It says:
Sobis's agent Machado says something like "The negotiation with Milan was already done. Gaetano Paolilo (milan official) came to Porto Alegre only to finalize the payment to Internacional."
And here is the bad news.
Machado : " Valencia has put in an equal offer that to Milan and we will be meeting Valencia on Monday. If Sobis doesnt move to Milan he could go to Spain"
edit: wops didnt see the page before.
Yeah this was posted on the previous page. Spain for Sobis? SOB!
There was another version of the news that said Milan would buy him but will be LOANED to Valencia depending on Milan's other signings.
Monday will be talks to Valencia, then Tuesday the game. I think everything is just delayed till after the 2nd leg. But the negotiation is done. Another wait and see! So much waiting.
GilAttack [11]
20-08-2006, 01:23
Its an agent trying to finalize a deal for his client, or trying to put the pressure on our side. Cant picture Milan management being too happy about his attitude.
Lets wait and see if Sobis is our guy.
tardissun
20-08-2006, 02:26
Honestly, if I were Sobis and an offer may come in from Milan. I'd consider holding on for a couple days. I just can't see him saying, "Nah I don't want to go to Milan" unless someone else was offering a MUCH better deal.
The question is, is Milan going to make a bid for Sobis or not? We'll have to wait and see - but according to the article, they are in advanced negotiations - so it sounds forthcoming.
KingHenry®
20-08-2006, 06:09
fingers crossed he shall come 2 milan, we could really do with a player of hes style and calibre, other teams can get so annoying when they just butt in.
Fellow Brazilians.....is this Sobis guy just a copycat of Vincenzo Montella???
Curious to know....
Sobis said his style is like Amoroso or Fred.
It's only tribal, but they are quoting gazetto quoting Sobis, so....
Sobis: AC Milan move almost done
tribalfooball.com - August 20, 2006
Internacional de Porto Alegre striker Rafael Sobis has revealed he's close to sealing a move to AC Milan.
"It's true, the negotiations are advanced and I can't wait to run to Milan," Sobis told Gazzetta dello Sport yesterday.
Click here to find out more!
"I have to admit that I am very enthusiastic about this adventure. All day I have been surfing the Internet so I can find out everything about Milan. I already knew the team, but I'm discovering more about the city itself and it seems perfect for me. I hope everything can be concluded as quickly as possible."
Sobis would be the replacement for �30m Chelsea man Andriy Shevchenko, joining other Brazilians such as Marcos Cafu, Ricky Kaka, Nelson Dida and Serginho.
"I have heard of everyone in the side, but I've not personally met any of them. I am in a tricky position at the moment, as I know talks are progressing well, but there's nothing official yet. We follow Serie A games in Brazil and know Milan are one of the best teams in the world. My style is very different to yours, though, so I'll need some time to settle in.
"I like to move around off the ball, come back into midfield and make the most of my pace," continued the youngster.
"What I love the most is running into the box and trying to score. I am a centre-forward, a born finisher. If you want a comparison, then I suppose you could say I resemble the early Amoroso, or perhaps Lyon striker Fred."
Originally posted by Sleep
Sobis said his style is like Amoroso or Fred.
you seen him play with your own eyes mate?
no, I haven't:D. But I thought you wanted to HEAR from some Brazilian:D. And I think Sobis's words is the most believable:D.
Sobis warns Rossoneri
Sunday 20 August, 2006
Rafael Sobis has still not struck a deal with Milan and his agent warns that further delay could see him poached by a Spanish side.
The 21-year-old Internacional Porto Alegre striker has been pinpointed as the replacement for Andriy Shevchenko and confirmed his enthusiasm for this proposed switch.
“I haven’t got an agreement with Milan yet, so everything will be decided next week. I have other offers too and must evaluate them all with due calm.”
Sobis hit the headlines when he scored a decisive brace in the Copa Libertadores Final against San Paolo, but the Serie A giants aren’t the only side interested in him.
“Valencia are also in the running and, if Milan don’t get a move on, Rafael could end up in Spain,” warned agent Machado in the ‘Gazzetta dello Sport’.
However, the matter isn’t quite as urgent as the representative is suggesting, as it’s likely the striker won’t leave South America until the New Year.
“One of the points up for discussion is the Club World Cup, as we don’t know if I’ll leave Internacional now or in December,” added Sobis. “Alternatively, I could not come to Europe at all. Whatever happens, I’ll be happy.”
The Club World Cup has replaced the Intercontinental Cup with the winners of the six major continental competitions facing off in Japan.
from channel4
what do you think about this guys?
Sobis warns Rossoneri
Sunday 20 August, 2006
Rafael Sobis has still not struck a deal with Milan and his agent warns that further delay could see him poached by a Spanish side.
The 21-year-old Internacional Porto Alegre striker has been pinpointed as the replacement for Andriy Shevchenko and confirmed his enthusiasm for this proposed switch.
“I haven’t got an agreement with Milan yet, so everything will be decided next week. I have other offers too and must evaluate them all with due calm.”
Sobis hit the headlines when he scored a decisive brace in the Copa Libertadores Final against San Paolo, but the Serie A giants aren’t the only side interested in him.
“Valencia are also in the running and, if Milan don’t get a move on, Rafael could end up in Spain,” warned agent Machado in the ‘Gazzetta dello Sport’.
However, the matter isn’t quite as urgent as the representative is suggesting, as it’s likely the striker won’t leave South America until the New Year.
“One of the points up for discussion is the Club World Cup, as we don’t know if I’ll leave Internacional now or in December,” added Sobis. “Alternatively, I could not come to Europe at all. Whatever happens, I’ll be happy.”
The Club World Cup has replaced the Intercontinental Cup with the winners of the six major continental competitions facing off in Japan.
from channel4
what do you think about this guys?
i think we should get a move on before we lose out on another player to be honest i dont know what we are waiting for we dont need cl money to buy sobis.
i think we should get a move on before we lose out on another player to be honest i dont know what we are waiting for we dont need cl money to buy sobis.
yeah it would be really bad if we lose out on this kind of player but i hope for the best outcome
GRE-NO-LI
20-08-2006, 12:41
Damn it, why our board is sooooo slow...?!? :d33:
KingHenry®
20-08-2006, 14:03
i think its must be a joke for them
in the end who suffers? us
Warro Bantan
20-08-2006, 14:53
Silly season rules! :D
Billy1969
20-08-2006, 16:47
I think we are waiting CL qualification to decide what we are going to do, I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, that Italian teams can only buy one non-EU player per season, so we will buy Sobis if we don't qualify and another non-EU target if we do? Tevez? If the thing about the one non EU player is correct, then we can't buy both.
P.S. : We can also ask Inter how they do tricks with their player passports and don't face trial also, maybe?
Guys relax, I think this has been mentioned many times before, but the potential new signings all want Champions League play. And we have another qualifier on Tuesday. Let's let that play out first. Hopefully we can get out of Belgrade with a berth in the main draw. Then we can really start talking it up. Ok, if all goes right on Tuesday and by the weekend we don't have any announcements to make, then I'll be concerned.
Sobis is just putting pressure on us. I say screw him, let him go to Valencia if he's gonna act this way. I understand his need to move on, but bullying us by going public isn't the right in my eyes.
Oops, Billy1869 beat me to the punch. Sorry about that guys.
I think we are waiting CL qualification to decide what we are going to do, I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, that Italian teams can only buy one non-EU player per season, so we will buy Sobis if we don't qualify and another non-EU target if we do? Tevez? If the thing about the one non EU player is correct, then we can't buy both.
P.S. : We can also ask Inter how they do tricks with their player passports and don't face trial also, maybe?
I can't say for sure, but it may not present a problem. I would imagine it's somewhat likely that Tevez has some Italian ancestry. Most citizens of Buenos Aires do and particularly those from the working class neighborhoods. So I would not be surprised if he could get an Italian passport. We'll see. :beer:
milanisti2503
20-08-2006, 22:43
is sobis already coming???????
Tony Soprano
21-08-2006, 00:31
What is the limit on the number of non-eu players we can have? Also, is their a limit on how many non-eu players you can start?
Tony Soprano
21-08-2006, 00:33
is sobis already coming???????
He would come if we made a concrete offer. At the moment I believe Valencia is ahead in the race of his signing, but thanks to our luck, he would much rather play at Milan if we make an offer. So, It's up to our management if we get him or not.
sobis scored in a 1-1 draw last night with palmeiras
Im sure we will get Sobis or Tevez, maybe even both of them.
sobis and valencia officials will meet today
I think that if MILAN wants to buy him he will accept MILAN offer
From what i understand both teams have put in the same offer, or at least Valencia have matched our offer for Sobis. This might have changed recently though.
So i don't see what the delay is, if they're going to accept this offer and Sobis wants to join us then why not get it signed now ? All this waiting is pointless when the deal seems so near to being concluded.
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