View Full Version : Lead Us Not Into Temptation...
OK, since the season is almost over, let's try to have some fun (how much fun will, of course, depend upon whether we get 4th place or not).
Anyone who's been on these forums for any extended amount of time knows that there are some topics which are perennial. Inter sucks, Get out (insert name of hated player here), Juve cheats, Milan need to spent more/less money, Inter really sucks and I love all Milan players except for (insert name of really hated player here, that lazy bum) are just some that we who have been around for a while will instantly recognize. But the ne plus ultra perennial topic is this:
We NEED (insert name of superstar--often just on the internet-- player here)!!!!
Really, we NEED him!!! If we don't get him, we will suck our way into Serie C2 and I will personally fly to Milan and shoot Galliani and the entire Berlusconi family and burn down Milanello while I'm at it, because any organization that would be so foolish as not to buy him should rot in Hell!!! Dammit!!! Plus, Inter wants him!!! WE MUST GET HIM!!!!
These posters, who sometimes only show up to beg for a particular player and then disappear, probably to commit suicide (so strong is their commitment and passion), will pimp said player like they own 10% of him, completely ignoring the fact that Milan probabaly isn't going to buy him because:
1. He is never in 100 years coming to Milan, except maybe to visit (*cough*Totti*cough).
2. He plays in a league that is nothing like Serie A or a style that is totally unsuited for it.
3. Galliani is not an idiot.
4. The player in question, whilst young, totally unknown and grading out well on Championship Manager-type computer games, is never getting out of the lower leagues. This is known as the Federico Lazzeri Theorem.
5. In actual game-day performance and skill...the guy sucks, and if you weren't his agent, lover or mother you'd see that. Ah, but love is blind. Or you've never actually seen him play, but his name is really hot on the 'net right now...
Anyway, can you come up with any names that people were just begging for who turned out to have been nothing special, and thank the Lord Milan resisted the temptation to add them to the books.
As a starter, I humbly offer you Francisco Farinos.
:D
Recent ones...
Cicinho and Sneijder
Giovanni
27-04-2008, 06:34
The dutch players are the most sought after by those "scouts"..maybe they hope to find the new Cruyff around the corner.
Some names that should make you worry :
FIRST EPISODE
Trabelsi (the new Cafu )
Van der Vaart (the new Cruyff)
Kezman (the new Inzaghi)
Rothen (when Monaco reached the CL final )
Adriano (the Emperor)
Joaquin (the new Garrincha)
Ernesto " Cheva" Chevanton (the new Sheva :sun: )
Riquelme- Ortega- D'Alessandro (the new Maradonas )
Pasqual (the new Maldini )
Bruno N' Gotty (the new Desailly )
Nocerino (the new Gattuso)
Ah ha, most of those guys illustrate point number two: good to excellent in their league (Eredivisie/La Liga/Championat/Argentina), but that's all she wrote. Not suited for Serie A and that's why they are not playing there. Not because Milan can't see how good they are and you, alone, can. ;)
GilAttack [11]
27-04-2008, 13:37
And you can also list all the players that the smart bald signed that could very well fit on that list.
Giovanni
27-04-2008, 13:59
SECOND EPISODE
Other supposed phenomenos :
Pablo Aimar
Diomansy Kamara
Diego Lugano
Canini
Reveillere
Bojinov
Morientes
Paulo Ferreira
El Haji Diouf
Maniche
Matteo Ferrari
Van Persie (always injured)
Arjen Robben
Ruben Baraja
Taibi
Michael Ballack (the new Franz Beckenbauer )
Vicente
Marcelo (the new Roberto Carlos)
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Predictions on the new stars:
Huntelaar (the dutch Gilardino)
Predictions on the new stars:
Huntelaar (the dutch Gilardino)
Giovanni just destroyed his career :rotfl:
My choice:
Lampard ;)
GilAttack [11]
28-04-2008, 23:24
I think there is a big difference between being overrated (just a mediocre player that the media hypes) and dont fitting certain team or league.
For example, was Henry a terrible player when he was at Juventus? So all of the sudden he learnt to play soccer in England becoming one of the greatest fowards in the last 5 years?
This also applies to many players you listed. When Shevchenko left Milan he was fantastic and then you believe he is crap because of his form at Chelsea?
hey RIO, we could also make a list of the ones who most people didn't think could contribute to Milan and have proved everyone wrong... for instance Pirlo replacing Albertini...
or continuing the list above... didn't you all want Kompany, currently lost, I mean playing, in Hamburg?
Gabriel489
29-04-2008, 01:36
Hey u don't diss Ballack as I think if Milan actually signed him for free back then, he would have taken over from Seedorf and provide more depth for MIlan as he is more than capable of playing in Kaka or Pirlo role.
Guys that are in the top of my head(Saviola, Aimar, usually they are from South America)
Then there are guys like Lampard(most over-rated player), Terry(good but over-rated also), Kuyt and others.
Peachtot
29-04-2008, 02:53
Lampard and Terry called overrated ?
c'mon Man
Gabriel489
29-04-2008, 05:37
Overrated do not mean they are bad players, it just means they are good players but not at the point of how the media and sponors made them out to be.
For example, Lampard is the most overrated player not b.c he is not a good player but just not at the point where the media portaryed him to be-which is the top three midfielder in the world.
As for Terry, well, u must admit that he is no where near the likes of Nesta, Canna, Samuel...The thing is that the media had made Terry in the same class as Baersi and Madlini, which he is far far from them.
Let's stay on topic: this is for players that people really wanted to come to Milan ("is they don't come, we will relagate!") but who turned out to be nothing special when they went somewhere else.
Thus, Vince Kompaany, yes. Prime example of big fish, little tiny pond, that. I saw him destroy Roselaere back in 2005 and got pretty excited. Then, I came to my senses, I mean, Roselaere...they made Walter Baseggio look like a jet. :D
GilAttack [11]
29-04-2008, 22:56
Let's stay on topic: this is for players that people really wanted to come to Milan ("is they don't come, we will relagate!") but who turned out to be nothing special when they went somewhere else.
Thus, Vince Kompaany, yes. Prime example of big fish, little tiny pond, that. I saw him destroy Roselaere back in 2005 and got pretty excited. Then, I came to my senses, I mean, Roselaere...they made Walter Baseggio look like a jet. :D
What happens is that people buy what others say or they guide themselves using Football Manager. I mean, who watches the Belgium league or such leagues in order to have an informed opinion?
']What happens is that people buy what others say or they guide themselves using Football Manager. I mean, who watches the Belgium league or such leagues in order to have an informed opinion?
Only the professionals working for Milan to do that job...
what do you guys think Ariedo Braida does all year long considering he doesn't manage the players (Ancelloti does) nor does he deal with the press daily or the administrative issues (Galliani does)... he, and his team of scouts do that... that's why I always respect what those guys decide, because they do it for a living, they surely spend hours following players after reports from scouts... for instance, Desailly works for Milan as a scout in France and some African countries... imagine the files they have on players we don't even consider... who thought about Gourcuff before he was announced as a signed player? nobody...
also some weird decisions like Grimi, sure, but they'll have their reasons...
Giovanni
30-04-2008, 01:50
For example Grimi was signed in the January window, because there was a serious fear Jankulovski could be banned for several months after the betting scandal. They chose a player on the cheap.
t.gianni
30-04-2008, 12:13
Higuain too. The next Maradinho!
I had forgotten about Sobis... just like rest of the world has, I guess...
Brasileiro
30-04-2008, 13:19
Only the professionals working for Milan to do that job...
what do you guys think Ariedo Braida does all year long considering he doesn't manage the players (Ancelloti does) nor does he deal with the press daily or the administrative issues (Galliani does)... he, and his team of scouts do that... that's why I always respect what those guys decide, because they do it for a living, they surely spend hours following players after reports from scouts... for instance, Desailly works for Milan as a scout in France and some African countries... imagine the files they have on players we don't even consider... who thought about Gourcuff before he was announced as a signed player? nobody...
also some weird decisions like Grimi, sure, but they'll have their reasons...
This is true, SANT...I remember Braida coming to Brazil several times. The guy(and the scouts) really workes here in S. America.
Back to the players:
- Ilsinho(former São Paulo now in Shaktar). :rollani: Played 10 good games and was the new Cafu, Cicinho, Alves....
Just one look at the guy and you see there´s no way he was a great RB or a player for Milan...and this guy was called for Brazil NT...unbelievble :v46:
- Already sayd, but Kompany is hands down the winner. The most incredible hype I ever saw.
- I remember people praing Milan to buy Senderos. :D
- Colocini :rollani:
- Dentinho(Corinthians) 3 games in the first-team and we are afer him.
- Every Ajax player is also a must buy.
OFF TOPIC:
Talking about Braida and scouts...you have to praise Arsene Wenger. Before any brazilian or Internacional fan knows Pato, he cames to Porto Alegre to watch the kid play in the youth Internacional teams. This guy realy has great scouts, and is always here in Brazil watching youth competitions
ZvonimirBoban
30-04-2008, 13:39
rodrigo palacio...
This thread makes the people who suggest names really arrogant ... that you're all better than everyone else because you never ever wanted these players ...
Yeah, you're all so perfect :rollani:
This thread makes the people who suggest names really arrogant ... that you're all better than everyone else because you never ever wanted these players ...
Yeah, you're all so perfect :rollani:
I think you may be interpretating this thread differently than we all are...
t.gianni
30-04-2008, 14:43
I desperately I wanted Higuain to join us when he was available, but I don't mean to lower someone. I mentioned his name just a checkpoint so that we always remind ourselves of ... like the thread title says ... not leading us into temptations. :noevil2:
ZvonimirBoban
30-04-2008, 15:10
This thread makes the people who suggest names really arrogant ... that you're all better than everyone else because you never ever wanted these players ...
Yeah, you're all so perfect :rollani:
Seriously when Palacio's name came out first I would like him to play for Milan. Seriously.
What do you know about others' opinion? Don;t ever dare to judge.
:rr30:
What do you know about others' opinion? Don;t ever dare to judge.
Don't threaten me, it's quite embaressing!
You tell me not to judge other people's opinions and then you judge mine:rollani:
lets stop now ladies ok ? :)
Giovanni
01-05-2008, 06:45
I want to point out that i include myself too in the list of those who pushed for players who were flops. I pushed to sign Chevanton and Kamara, who were absolutely good players 3-4 seasons ago.
I think we should not have hard feelings, cause we all have been proven wrong on some players and at the end of the day nobody can predict the future.
Favourite one: Thierry Henry
(If Henry was a drink he'd be Absolut garbage :D )
This thread makes the people who suggest names really arrogant ... that you're all better than everyone else because you never ever wanted these players ...
Yeah, you're all so perfect :rollani:
That is not the purpose of the thread at all. Just a little bit of fun, with a somewhat serious undercurrent. We have all fell victim to unreasonable enthusiasm at one time or another, so we are laughing at ourselves, but also remembering (with the use of pertinent examples) that all that seems to glitter is not gold.
Shabani Nonda.
Great thread, Rio. If you looked back at the Milan of the 90's we'd find plenty of examples: Ba, Ngotty, Commandini, Jose Mari, Lehmann, etc..
But today, we need look no further than Real Madrid: Marcelo (what's happened to all the hype about the being the next Roberto Carlos), Gago (the next Redondo? I think not), Higuain (spends more time on bench than on pitch), Diarra (definitely not worth the price they paid for him), Robben (not worth it for a handful of good games per year), Saviola (we were YEARNING for him back in his River Plate days).
ZvonimirBoban
02-05-2008, 01:56
Don't threaten me, it's quite embaressing!
You tell me not to judge other people's opinions and then you judge mine:rollani:
I don't know... I actually wrote more than what was appeared over there.
*Yes, i edited it* Giovanni :rr30:
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