Milan VS Inter (Post game comments)

Originally Posted by Jeff

But he may have already tried it in training...

ok , how about this ... You don't know it if you don't try it during big games

Originally Posted by Nova

I agree on the fact that he's used to play as a starter ...

I totally disagree.

If Pirlo was lazy on the field, refusing to run, I'd have to agree with this. BUT the FACT is he was fighting so hard against Inter and Barca. Did you see his battle with Adriano? I'd say I felt proud of him at that moment. Grit and flair, he has both.

I do agree that he had some bad passes and should have been more careful. He is not at his best yet, for sure, because we all know how good he could be. But no way you can claim that he plays bad because he considers himself a sure starter.

I'm also wondering if I watched the same game as Haroon's.
Yes, Pirlo sometimes launches too many long balls when he is off-form or when the other midfielders are too static, but definitely not in this game. He had some long balls, but not that much.
Is it possible that it's just your subjective impression? When you saw a long ball, "ouch! It's Pirlo again!"; when you saw a tackle, "Great! it's Rino"; when you saw a dribble, "Nice! it's Kaka"....
At least I myself did make such mistake before...

Originally Posted by ann

I totally disagree.

If Pirlo was lazy on the field, refusing to run, I'd have to agree with this. BUT the FACT is he was fighting so hard against Inter and Barca. Did you see his battle with Adriano? I'd say I felt proud of him at that moment. Grit and flair, he has both.

I do agree that he had some bad passes and should have been more careful. He is not at his best yet, for sure, because we all know how good he could be. But no way you can claim that he plays bad because he considers himself a sure starter.

I'm also wondering if I watched the same game as Haroon's.
Yes, Pirlo sometimes launches too many long balls when he is off-form or when the other midfielders are too static, but definitely not in this game. He had some long balls, but not that much.
Is it possible that it's just your subjective impression? When you saw a long ball, "ouch! It's Pirlo again!"; when you saw a tackle, "Great! it's Rino"; when you saw a dribble, "Nice! it's Kaka"....
At least I myself did make such mistake before...

Isn't it just great to have different oppinions ??

and btw , i didnt say he was lazy on the field ... I just tought he wasnt 100% . and i think benching pirlo once and let Rui costa play isnt gonna be a disaster .

Originally Posted by Nova

Isn't it just great to have different oppinions ??

I'd love to read different opinions, but definitely not illogical ones

Originally Posted by ann

I'd love to read different opinions, but definitely not illogical ones

hey , that wasnt illogical

Originally Posted by Haroon

Tyge,

Look at the ratings given to Ambro by Gazzetta and compare it to Nesta, Maldini, Gattuso, Cafu. I think Gazzetta is way off in this rating. It is ridiculous to give Pirlo and Ambro so many points. How Ambro gets 6.5 is beyond me and how Pirlo gets 6 is questionable when you compare it to our best players in last night's game i.e Kaka, Nesta, Gattuso, Cafu and Maldini.

It was a brilliant move by Carlo to introduce Ambro - we managed to turn things around about 20 minutes from time, not least due to Ambro coming in to add some well-needed physical strength to the midfield (he won EVERYTHING in the air). Go watch the match again, bro, and you'll see what I mean.

That said, although I understand the basis of such high rating, I think Ambro like Pirlo deserved the rating 6, Max did miss a sitter after all.

Let me throw in my peace of mind here... Pirlo didn't play that badly yesterday... I personally think Seedorf was worse than Pirlo. Pirlo was alright but not great for sure, but he was helping out the D and trying to create something for offense. Seedorf was dragging and dribbling a lot without doing too much... if Seedorf and Rui plays together... it would be a really really slow game for Milan. I would like to see 2x Kaka.. rather than 2x Seedorf as a matter of fact. Crespo was still not in full form, wish he could speed up his recovery. Before the game started, I even thought Serginho would play along with Sheva given his history against INter... Anyway, one thing i want to b!tch about is that our squad is playing too fancy on field at times... especially at own back field... in the Barca game and the Inter game... they almost gave up goals to opponents by taking risk and making mistake. Oh... another reason we didn't win the game.. Fontana - he did really good yesterday to keep inter away from losing...

Originally Posted by ann

I totally disagree.

If Pirlo was lazy on the field, refusing to run, I'd have to agree with this. BUT the FACT is he was fighting so hard against Inter and Barca. Did you see his battle with Adriano? I'd say I felt proud of him at that moment. Grit and flair, he has both.

I do agree that he had some bad passes and should have been more careful. He is not at his best yet, for sure, because we all know how good he could be. But no way you can claim that he plays bad because he considers himself a sure starter.

I definately agree with this when I consider Pirlo's performances in recent matches.

I haven't seen him being lazy and arrogant about his work, but I see a player is isn't playing his best. Ancelotti has stated Pirlo has had some mental problems since playing for Italy and I believe his confidence at the moment is quite low, as he couldn't provide Italy what he may have hoped during the summer.

Personally, I think we need to give him some time at the moment. From what I see, his performances are slowly picking up, even if they aren't to his own or Milan standards yet.

I think it may be similar for Maldini in LB, although in Maldini's case it isn't a mental problem. Maldini needs time to adjust back to LB and his positioning is always improving, so we must be patient. He's also the leader of the defence and its very hard to lead it from out wide. He struggled to lead it in the past from this position, but I think the difference from back then is the quality of the players around him, as the current lot are far better technically and particularly tactically.

What I'm trying to say is that this year a few changes have been made to the side here and there, whilst some players are struggling with form. However, these players will pick up their performances and the side will become tactically more astute over time when they get used to the changes. We are seeing this in every match we play, as some players are beginning to perform better and tactically the team gets better (particularly shown by the improved defensive performances of late). What we need to do as fans is be patient as its still VERY early in the season and we shouldn't expect to be at peak performance until nearing the end of the season when the big games that make or break the season come in. At this point I expect us to do whats necessary to keep up with the pace set by the leaders and not continue losing ground (preferably making it up).

Originally Posted by Nova

ok , how about this ... You don't know it if you don't try it during big games

We shall have a good time making these one-sentene argument

Howa bout this: If I try it during big games and we lost 3-1, am I going to get sacked?

It's a lottery. You attack like crazy and there are two outcome:

1) You win like crazy
2) You lose like crazy

now if I play safe, I'll get this results:

1) I win small, but I win
2) I draw but I don't lose.

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in any case, I think they have played bfeore together so that's a very flexible formation. I guess people here are more interesting in the role of Pirlo than what w eare talking about

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

What we need to do as fans is be patient as its still VERY early in the season and we shouldn't expect to be at peak performance until nearing the end of the season when the big games that make or break the season come in. At this point I expect us to do whats necessary to keep up with the pace set by the leaders and not continue losing ground (preferably making it up).

Well... there are people here who are ABSOLUTELY not patient with the team's performance and it's quick to pinpoint the arrow at some of our players. He may even has his own analysis that I see it only falls apart when the otherday the very person he is pinpointing scores at the 1-0 game with some nice dribbling and long shot.

Peace... MM always has these people around.... either they come and say, "Sub. Seedorf is crazy (with the sub person actually has the best chance of scoring in the game)" or "F*** you Ambrosini" and when we win, either they say "I'm so happy forza Milan" or simply vanishes.

And appear again to make a fuss of not-a-big-deal and blaming individual player.

Some fans are just like these. They probably don't have enough INSIDE them to take everything into account.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Well... there are people here who are ABSOLUTELY not patient with the team's performance and it's quick to pinpoint the arrow at some of our players.
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I wonder how Interisti dealing with this...

hmm.... maybe they already lost their brain.

I can't believe the game finished goalless!!! Sooo many chances, could have gone either way, unfortunately for us Rossoneri, we only took a point. I must admit I was impressed to see Inter going out attacking, and with Materazzi in central defence, how did we not score? I made a comment on the pre-game thread and thought the hype might affect Adrinao's performance and I think I was right, he is capable of doing better but Nesta was immense!!! Paolo also showed us he wasn't quite finished yet!!! Great game anyway, deserved goals!

Now for the Pirlo debate, I thought he did OK, not vintage Pirlo, but certainly not lazy, worked hard! When he returns to top form, Im sure the goals will begin to flow, as there are few players who launch the chip passes like he does.

I really do believe we still had a lot of problems though. As someone stated, Tomasson and Crespo yet to get off the mark whilst Pippo has chipped in with just one, certainly struggling to get a partner for Sheva, we can't rely on him to provide all season. I must say I thought Crespo played OK(his flick-cross was great!), if we get him fit and sharp I believe he could prove to be the answer to the second striker problem. In midfiled, we have no width, we need a new Serginho type player, especially on the left, maybe a left back also, I don't rate Kaladze, Serginho is getting old, Pancaro isn't the best crosser of the ball, big problems. A free kick specialist was also mentioned, I agree, we never take advantage of good positions, and we need rid of Ambro, Rui needs more playing time.

Originally Posted by argo

I wonder how Interisti dealing with this...

hmm.... maybe they already lost their brain.

You learn about Psychology? There are a thing called "Learned Helplessness Model"

Let me quote:

"One important variant of the bheavioral approach to depression is the learned helplessness model... In their controversial and disturbing experiment,s Seligman and his co-workers studied the conditioning of fear and escape learning in dogs. They placed a group of dogs in a cage from which they could not escape, and an electrical apparatus subjected them to electric shock. A warning light preceded each administration of shock. Next, experimenters placed the dogs in a chamber from which they could escape shock by jumping over a partition, if they did so at the signal of a warning light. Seligman had originally hypothesized that the dogs would immediatel jump over the partition to escape the painful consequences. To his surprise, rather than escape, the dogs lag down "helplessly" until the experimetner finally turned off the shock. In contrast, dogs that were never subjected to inescapble shock took the normal action of jumping across the partition, once they learned that this escape route was available."


So we can now safely conclude that Interisti do not have to deal with this, because they have learned it, helplessly

watching inter play makes me sick... howecome they got no red cards.. those were career ending injuries they made... poor kaka talk about feeling tired... and for all u doubters, theres kaka.. hes back!!!

oh and i thought a tackle from the back is an instant red... i could understand if the ref was liniant once or 2ice but he over did it.... the favalli elbow was the worst tackle out of the lot... im begining to think inter are trying to start a new wrestling squad Inter WC... they send canna to juve for carini and get mijhailovic and burdisso and favalli instead!!! besides that airhead materazzi and the cocaine selling cordoba!!!

Originally Posted by Nova

Rui and kaka play perfectly together ... Don't know why Rui should have been kicked out of the starting 11 .

You can't tell since they hardly played together.