AC Milan vs Juventus (game & post-game comments)

Originally Posted by Jeff

And Nadir, I feel sorried you got dragged by the pimphead. Doesn't it feel awful when an idiot here trying to find an ally?

yah. i am no juve fan. it's probably easy winning scudettos while the players are all doped up and referees are paid to help you win. Never associate me with an Inter or Juve fan....you pimphead

Originally Posted by Playa_Pimp

Yes Jeff good job pimphead, your mom knows what this pimp's head is all about, believe that. And with this crying and whining going on, come on ppl its over, we dont deserve anything this year, lets be happy with what we get

enough. none of that crap here. take it to your own fan sites. no name calling or attacking other Milan fans or you'll share the same fate as many who came before you who tried to ruin these forums - a perm ban.

i have seen bad behaviour here but this is the biggest example of a defeatist attitude. i can almost see you wearing an inter jersey with MATERAZZI emblazoned on the back.

How about the Inter fan who throws flare at Dida? -.-!

Originally Posted by Playa_Pimp

And with this crying and whining going on, come on ppl its over, we dont deserve anything this year, lets be happy with what we get

That's the way Inter think, but Milan would rather fall short after overreaching than wallow in complacent mediocrity for fifteen years.

Ancelotti tried the rotation system two seasons ago when we won the CL. The result, the second stringers lost almost every match they played even though they were still talented players. They lost the ones that didn't matter(we were through with two games to go in the Cl group stages), and the ones that did as well. It's not that the second stringers were poor by any means. We had Simic, Billy, Ambro, Tomasson, Rivaldo, Leonardo, Redondo and a whole host of others to choose from. And often Carletto would mix them up with the first teamers. IMO the reason this didn't work was that the first team players couldn't gel with the second stringers. The first team was much more used to playing with each other.

That's why I feel Carletto has his reasons for not doing the rotations this season and just a few mere changes each match. Back then my suggestion was to probably do away with it or, if Carletto had the balls, to create two totally different teams to put out during matches(we had the depth, mind you). And so he has opted to play like other teams and decrease our size. I still stand by him.

"The look on Buffon's face says it all". Yeah, that Juve haven't beaten Milan in quite awhile.

Originally Posted by Nadir

why did nesta deserve a red card?

and you're wrong about "small things" being waved away. juve just had zlatan suspended for three games because of something that happened in a "big game" against inter.



Juventus has a history of refs helping them. it's hard for people here not to keep that in mind while commenting on the game. if you have been watching italian soccer as long as some of us have, you'll know what we mean.

Dont be silly, of course I know Juventus have had a history of refs helping them. What Juventini doesnt know that? Whilst it may be 'hard' for them not to keep that in mind in a blatantly no-favouring Juve match, it is still not a right thing to do. If the same decisions were against, say, Inter I would've expected the Inter forum to whine about this as much as they can and probably would laugh. I just expected better from here. After all such attitude differenciates the class of Milan and their disgusting neighbours

Originally Posted by Franco6

Yesterday I was at the stadium in the curva with Giovanni and Billy, the atmosphere was incredible even though we lost. I was having a lot of fun until the juve goal.
IMO Ancelotti made a wrong formation, Seedorf and Pirlo where and are out of form and our on form man where on the bench. In fact we did something when Serginho and Rui entered and why Ambrosini was left out?? another in form player!!.
Capello untilised the mininum that he had while Ancelotti no.

Now let's concentrate on the 25th May match and let juve win the league. We know that everyone wants the cup with big ears. NOI ANDIAMO AD INSTANBUL

Exactly. IMO Seedorf was mediocre in the previous games and I would blame him mostly for Milan's first half performance... he was the missing link, his distribution of the ball was terrible. Will he start the following games with such form though ?

Originally Posted by sehnsucht79

Exactly. IMO Seedorf was mediocre in the previous games and I would blame him mostly for Milan's first half performance... he was the missing link, his distribution of the ball was terrible. Will he start the following games with such form though ?

I would make the same comment only if he is used to play as a sub.

If you noticed, Juve was much more pressing in the first half, and was OBVIOUSLY tired from chasing the ball in the second half. This probably give sone of the reasons why Milan did so much better in the second half.

Meanwhile, Seedorf and Pirlo were both tightly marked through the first half, with Pirlo especially. If they were the substitute and was still that bad, then I would say put them on the bench.

For now they were up on the driving seats, it's difficult for them to pump immediately especially they were marked so tightly. If we had to be so critical about Seedorf (and/or Pirlo), then we had to be critical against Kaka` and Sheva as well, because seriously they didn't do much in most first half anyway in most games.

For instance, would you expect Kaka` to have so much space (and AMbro) against PSV at 90 minutes? If that scoring movement happened at the 1st minute, 99/100 a PSV player would have the stamina to mark one of the Milan players. The fact that even a well-trained team like PSV in terms of fitness could not keep up the pressure for the whole 90minutes simply explain why Milan seems to be 'lucky' to score at 90minutes.

It's no luck. We are more consistent throughout the game despite most of the time suffering. This's how our team plays.

Regarding the loss against Juventus, you can only blame Sheva + inzaghi and co for not taking their chances, while Juve did it, this time.

Forget about refereeing and luck. They were virtually useless as we talked here.

It can be/is unfair, especially when a huge refereeing mistake is invovled. (I still remembered how Barca keeper was unfairly blocked and the goal was counted for Chelsea. However unfortunate definitely because it's outrageous for that chelsea player to block the GK in that fashion). but let's live with it. It's ok to talk about it, but eventually, like Berlusconi said, 'tomorrow is another day'.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Regarding the loss against Juventus, you can only blame Sheva + inzaghi and co for not taking their chances, while Juve did it, this time.

Well, you have to blame the rest of the team as well. Just cuz the strikers don't take their only chance doesn't mean it's totally their fault. We have to blame the midfielders for not creating more chances as well. As stated, Pirlo and Seedorf were the main culprits. If they were on form the total flow of the game would have changed. The engine wasn't there. As usual only our defence made us proud. But it was good on Carletto to realise that and make the necesssary changes. Good on him after I criticized him for the past few matches. IMO Inzaghi's chance should have been a goal. It already went through Buffon's legs and he was really fortuitous that he still managed to stop it. So luck definitely did play a part, though the most major factor was the overall flow of the game. Juve attacked and controlled the game well in the first half, and defended really well in the second.

Let us face it, we have had all the small things going our way in some matches this season. Juve was not better than us, we were not better than Juve - it was just one of these days where we were not riding with luck. We had our chanes, could not take them...
Still 3 matches to play - nothing is over yet! Get 9 points, and hope Juve will lose one.. That is all we are asking for. Then we would get them in another Playoff. Juve cannot beat us twice in a row :-)

Point taken Jeff, Milan did find it difficult as they were tightly marked yet Kaka and Shevchenko the names you mentioned did manage to slot in a ball or two. Seedorf IMO was the necessary link between Milan and their strikers and though he had less space his crosses were abysmal! Milan had a difficult game against Juventus and PSV and in these two games most of the players managed to keep their heads in the game yet I find that Seedorf did not handle it well at all. And, to my mind it is no coincidence that only when he and Pirlo were substituted Milan became immediately effective.

Inzaghi was rather unlucky... Plus Zambrotta blocked the ball well when it got knocked off Gigi's legs. I thought Pippo did incredibly well in the game, he immediately put pressure on Juventus and the goal would've come if Juventus didnt hold out so strongly and perhaps if luck was on your side.

Just out of curiosity, how many penalty kicks have been awarded against juve in serie A this season so far??

Originally Posted by Playa_Pimp

Yes Jeff good job pimphead, your mom knows what this pimp's head is all about, believe that. And with this crying and whining going on, come on ppl its over, we dont deserve anything this year, lets be happy with what we get

Don't make personal attacks to people or their families.

Next of all, clearly you're not a Milan fan, so why tell us what team you support?

Last of off, I believe you're in the wrong forum, maybe try looking for a Liverpool or Juve forum if you want to stick your head up their ***.

Im disappointed we lost in this manner. Credit to Juve for holding up for so long.. I will not blame Collina for this loss, as our side is far better than Juve's, and we should have beaten them convincingly with this team (although, i think Zambrotta's tackle would have been in called in 80% of the occasions, and Cannavaro's in 50%). I have noticed in the last 10 games, I haven't seen Milan play ONE good 1st half yet (maybe only vs. Parma)..

We lacked creativity. You all saw what happened as soon as Rui came on. IMO, Rui should be starting the rest of the games till the end of the season. Pirlo has been disappointing as of late, the last 2 games were really bad for him. I think Rui should start in that position as we really really need that creativity of his. This 1 week break will does us good, especially Seedorf. IMO, Seedorf will play a great game vs Lecce next week. Gattuso wasn't his self also against Juve. I would say that there was a little luck in their goal that Trez's goal hit Dida's hand, and luckily went into goal rather into any other position.

Pippo seemed in promising form, he nearly scored seconds within coming on. Unfortunately, he shot it straight into Buffon. JDT was again disappointing, and IMO, he is the worst player for Milan this season. He hardly was ever in the right position for this game and only touched the ball in one occation and gave them a throw-in. I wonder why Crespo hasn't been starting recently? Serginho did some good work down the left flank. Sheva also wasnt his self today. He did pass Buffon in 1st half, but I do not know why didnt he finish the ball himself instead of passing it.



Anyway, let's just get 9 points from the following games so that at least we dont reget it if they drop points in their next games. Our game vs Lecce shouldn't be hard. It will be important for us to score as many goals as we can, shame we can't be Livorno at this point of season (they conceded 12 in the last 2 games!!!!!)..I think we will have ALOT of trouble trying to get 3 points from Udine, but I am convinced we are capable. Our game vs Palermo could be an advantage as it is going to be on Friday. If we win it, we will have pressure on Juve, and that could make them nervous, and hopefully drop points.


The 7th Champions League trophy is within our grabs.. If we get an early goal, I predict a 4-0 win! ...

and again, lets all hope Juve drop points, as it will only serve them right after all those referee decisions from the previous seasons..comon Gilardino!! GET JUVE FOR US!! and btw, his price tag has just been raised to 35million! I am now convinced Milan will not buy him..I think he will ruin his career by going to Real and play as a sub.

FORZA MILAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!

i think i may be out of tune in this thread, but i was very pleased with the performance last sunday. i thought the players would be tired, but they proved me wrong since the second half was a whole crescendo.

maybe seedorf needs a break, but i admire seedorf for always looking for the ball and taking risks, even if he is not fit. pirlo is yet to regain full fitness from the last injury suffered, but i think it is more a matter of too quick a recovery.

and inzaghi is back in action, and with vengeance. i think he will make the starting 11 for istanbul, he is our jolly at the moment because he is 100% fit, 100% eager to make up for a very disappointing season and has mentioned he has dreamt of scoring in istanbul. same as in 2003, when sheva had a disappointing season and returned for the last month or so to help us win the cup.