All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

agree, I wouldn't make too big of a deal about this statement...

And even if Kaka wanted to leave, Milan wouldn't sell him. That's the club's new policy, remember?

Point made, nuff said...again, I said it in the midst extreme anger...and in retrospect, I can appreciate his position...just wanted a scapegoat I guess...my apologies.

For me however, it would be stupid for UEFA to not permit us to play in the UCL next season, and still allow us to play the UEFA Cup...so it remains to be seen what action they will ultimately take.

Come the 25th, or maybe even Sat or Monday, we should have further details on this..

Ahh what an injustice!!

Warro, still stuck in Costa Rica??? How many bottles of rum so far???

Originally Posted by SANT

Warro, still stuck in Costa Rica??? How many bottles of rum so far???

Two and (hic) counting ...

Waiting on the flight (which supposedly leaves at 11pm), into Miami...where I will shpend the nite, and then fly to Jamaica (land we love) (hic) at 9 shomething on American Airlinesh

that's where I should go this summer...

Well... what we have picked is not in fact the lightest of punishments, but at least we managed to remain on Serie A...

BTW: let's stop that silly buzz about Kaká, the guy just said that he'll leaves if we were relegated, and since we're still on Serie A, he's gonna stay with us, end of conversation.

Originally Posted by GilAttack [11]

I didnt read any article pointing that, although I have a feeling that says that Kaka isnt commited to Milan as he should and wouldnt mind leaving us for Real.

His exactly words here were (translated) " Its possible that I'll leave Milan if it gets relegated"

But yes, I agree he didn't say he WOULD leave, but that he COULD.

Kaka never said he is leaving. Don't over react

Even without CL, I think Milan is still good enough to attract players such as Buffon, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Oddo and Sasuo. Since they are players who want to be in Milan. And Frankly, I think the -15 pts is no big thing, Milan will win and shows the world the even if all the cards are against them, they will over come them and claim victory. Thats the Milan Mentality and players know that.

Milan will come back next year stronger, better and more determine to win Series A and Coppa Cup.

Originally Posted by Rosso6

Guys and gals the news just gets bleaker! I just watched a Sky Sport Report with Kevin Buckley, an Italian Football writer, reporting that; Guido Rossi, the head guy, met with UEFA and FIFA officials during the World Cup.
And in the meeting, UEFA and FIFA were made aware that the decisions made today will be final, regardless of any appeals. The reporter added that reversal or lesser sentences were not forthcoming.
So guys and gals, it simply Serie A, next season.
I was down after hearing the news, but we can still win Serie A next season.
Forza Milan, we'll be back!

Not exactly what I have heard of. Here is a communication from sports.it

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Guido Rossi, commissario straordinario della Federcalcio, ha sottolineato come la sentenza che verrà resa nota in settimana dal giudice Cesare Ruperto su calciopoli sarà immediatamente esecutiva.

"La sentenza di primo grado è esecutiva e, se non arriva in tempo utile anche la sentenza di secondo grado, siamo già d'accordo con la Uefa che varrà quella del primo grado - ha detto Rossi durante la sua audizione in commissione Cultura alla Camera per spiegare tempi e modalità del processo - Per quanto invece riguarda le regole e le modalità di svolgimento del processo, tutti gli elementi di novità introdotti rispetto ai precedenti processi sono stati di tipo organizzativo e procedurale e comunque finalizzati a garantire l'assoluta indipendenza degli organi giudicanti".

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I have to admit that my understanding is based of automatic translations. If I didn't get it wrong, Rossi stated that the first sentence will come effective immediately, unlike some sentences might only be enforced after appeals are finalized, and if second sentences that address the appeals are not delivered in time, ie. before the UEFA deadline July 25, the european competition seats would be handed out according to the first sentence, even the clubs won their appeals and are acquitted.

And here is a reponse on uefa.com addressing the verdicts:

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Deadline set

The Italian Football Federation has been set a 25 July deadline by UEFA to submit the list of teams from Italy eligible to participate in the 2006/07 club competitions. UEFA's Executive Committee issued a reminder at its meeting in Berlin on Tuesday that in accordance with FIFA and UEFA statutes, disciplinary cases should be dealt with by the appropriate decision-making bodies within the sporting structure.



'Full trust'


"We have full trust in the Italian FA," said UEFA communications and public affairs director William Gaillard. "They will give us the list of clubs by 25 July, we will take it and accept it as it is."
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In my understanding, UEFA is not against that clubs go for appeals, but they are *strongly* (coz they mentioned that a couple of times) against turning to ordinary courts or even EU court for solution, but I don't think Milan is so desperately as risking itself with that way.

Furthermore, I think UEFA hinted that they would not furthurly punish the charged teams (ok, it is just Milan here) by ruling them out of europa in the coming season even they might still qualify for UCL or UEFA with points docked. (by saying "take it as it is")

Therefore my best hope is that Milan can get a timely response for the second sentence, which shrink the point deduction of past season to 36 or less, which means we can still clinch the UCL, and new season to less then 10, which would significantly make our live easier to stay among the league title hunters.

Please also be noted that Milan's official communication states that "The text of the decision will hardly be made available, in the certainty that the provision will become radically modified in the appeal court, with the acknowledgment of the absolute correctness of the acts of the club." Let's hope it is not just some bluffing to calm the supporters.

What's all the commotion about? Not happy at the cost to watch Juve go down? Expensive. Way too expensive.

I still won't believe and accept that Milan is worthy of such a severe punishment based on such an equivocal evidence.

can someone translate this? From official website:

I tifosi che più di tutti hanno sofferto nelle ultime due stagioni hanno dovuto vivere anche questa amara appendice: le accuse, le congetture, la sentenza “un po’ così”. Ci stanno togliendo qualcosa e francamente non si capisce bene il motivo. Nessuno pensa a ridarci quello che ci è stato tolto, nessuno spiega davvero perché siamo arrivati fino a questo punto per un paio di minuti scarsi di telefonata. E pensare che in quella manciata di secondi si sente anche l’inno del Milan come musica d’attesa: possono dirci qualsiasi cosa, ma devono riconoscere che siamo proprio speciali.
Dobbiamo gioire perché non ci hanno assegnati con la forza ad un altro campionato? Oppure dobbiamo rimpiangere la Champions League, impaurirci per la partenza “sottozero” nel prossimo campionato? Intanto la lettura delle sentenze ci ha strappato un sorriso. E’ già un buon risultato. L’obiettivo di infliggere alla società rossonera una penalizzazione affittiva in modo da escluderla dalle Coppe Europee era evidente, eppure qualcuno in camera di consiglio ha fatto male i calcoli, oppure non era a conoscenza dell’esistenza delle “licenze Uefa”. Sarà sicuramente una questione algebrica non ci permettiamo di pensare nulla di diverso. Un fatto è certo, fermo. Galliani aveva ragione a Villasimius: “non esiste un sistema Milan”. Non ci fidiamo più di chi ha sostenuto il contrario, di chi cercava affannosamente di ricostruire un sistema mai esistito. E dobbiamo ammettere una debolezza: possono fare dieci sentenze, un decreto legge, emettere tutto ciò che vogliono: non ce la faranno mai a toglierci dalla testa che Adriano Galliani è uno di noi. Per noi sarà sempre il nostro amministratore delegato, chi con Silvio Berlusconi ci ha fatto sentire primi, sempre e ovunque. Comunque, questo è solo il commento del sito ufficiale. La posizione ufficiale del Milan, insieme a tutte le altre, è disponibile cliccando qui sotto.

more on official website.