Croatia 2 - 0 England (lol)

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Originally Posted by zZ[-_-]Zz

@ mzk57... the Lampard you praised so much was playin' one of the worst games ever... totally ineffective considerin' that he had no defensive job with Parker cleanin' up his mistakes & Carrick supplyin' the passes from deep... he was given the limelight & the task of shinin' in the absence of Gerrard... yet all he did was made a mockery of himself...

Cosidering the fact that u are the fan of one of all time greats (after King Deigo) its really disappointing that u think like that . Franky to that gutlesss England side is more important than Roberto Baggio to Italian 94 side . Without Franky even Togo would kill England off in 45 minutes

The only way I can see England doing well against good side if only if they put this side out and make their team on merit

----------(Give English citizenship to Carlo Cudinini )----------------

--Glen Johnsen-----Anthony Ferdinand----John Terry--Wayne Bridge------

-------Kevin Nolon-----Owen Hargreves-----Franky Lampard--------------

-------SW Phillips-------Andrew Johnsen--------Joe Cole-----------------

I am sory but Steve-G for me is not a better TEAM PLAYER than the players I picked in my team

This team woould do better for u guys becoz its my pick and English fans will not have to face Humiliation again and again

Lampard important to England? what has he done so far for them? no goals... no assists... a whole lot of shots off target...

Baggio on the other hand single-handedly led Italy onwards durin' the knockout stages with goals...

don't even compare them two together... it is disgustin' enough for me to write Lampard & Baggio in the same line...

Originally Posted by rahul.acm

We still are missing Jim's response to this thread.

Rivals Everton 3-0 Liverpool
Champions Chelsea 1-0 Liverpool
Bolton Warriors 2-0 Liverpool
Croatia 2-0 England

These are good enough reasons any fan to shoot him/hrself
Mr. Jim is just avoiding talking in public

(*no disrespect)

Originally Posted by zZ[-_-]Zz

Lampard important to England? what has he done so far for them? no goals... no assists... a whole lot of shots off target...

Baggio on the other hand single-handedly led Italy onwards durin' the knockout stages with goals...

don't even compare them two together... it is disgustin' enough for me to write Lampard & Baggio in the same line...

I can understand ur feelings since u are a Baggio fan, but REALITY IS REALITY

Cosidering the fact that u are the fan of one of all time greats (after King Deigo) its really disappointing that u think like that . Franky to that gutlesss England side is more important than Roberto Baggio to Italian 94 side . Without Franky even Togo would kill England off in 45 minutes

And yet it was Gerrard who was missing through suspension (harsh decision too) while we lost, Frank lampard was on the field for the full 90 minutes. If Maclaren has to choose between them for the attacking midfield role - which for the sake of balancing the side looks increasingly likely - then it is Gerrard who most would like to see given the job.

The only way I can see England doing well against good side if only if they put this side out and make their team on merit

----------(Give English citizenship to Carlo Cudinini )----------------

--Glen Johnsen-----Anthony Ferdinand----John Terry--Wayne Bridge------

-------Kevin Nolon-----Owen Hargreves-----Franky Lampard--------------

-------SW Phillips-------Andrew Johnsen--------Joe Cole-----------------

I am sory but Steve-G for me is not a better TEAM PLAYER than the players I picked in my team

This team woould do better for u guys becoz its my pick and English fans will not have to face Humiliation again and again

Maclaren would have picked Hargreaves, Joe Cole and Andy Johnson but they were all injured, unless your suggesting we send them out on crutches

As for the rest, Robinson has done nothing wrong and only an idiot would blame him for the fluke goal. The back four of Neville, Rio, Terry and Cole is fine and has consistently been amongst the strongest in the world. No need to change them at all.

Nolan is good but too similar to Lampard and Gerrard, there is only room for 1 central attacking player imho. The midfield 4 should be Lennon, Joe Cole, Gerrard and Hargreaves, but unfortunately they are all injured or suspended !

Up front Rooney is getting better by the game and will soon be back to his best, he got 2 assists and hit the bar yesterday which isnt too bad for a guy in bad form, if he had been greedier he could have scored himself too but he chose to pass to Solskjaer, which is to his credit as it shows he is more interested in the team winning than media (and foolish fans) hype about him 'needing' a goal

Johnson has pace to burn and deserves a real chance but got injured, Crouch has been scoring for fun and terrifies most defences. Of those 2 it is down to the oppostion as to who we should play.

Originally Posted by Stezagud

And yet it was Gerrard who was missing through suspension (harsh decision too) while we lost, Frank lampard was on the field for the full 90 minutes. If Maclaren has to choose between them for the attacking midfield role - which for the sake of balancing the side looks increasingly likely - then it is Gerrard who most would like to see given the job.

U can't expect to win away from home if u play 7 defensive minded players with a very rare formation of 5-3-2
Lets get it straight
Lampard is an attacking box 2 box player who can defend
Gerrard is a defensive minded box 2 box player who can attack

So they both can play in 1 team without interfaring each other like Seedorf and Kaka but u need a MAN like Cappello, Ancellotti or Jose not a COWARD like Steve Maclearen to handle things

But for me and the best coach of the world Jose its always Franky ahead of Steve-G Doesnt matter what a coward like Banetez or LUCKYpool fans think

U can't expect to win away from home if u play 7 defensive minded players with a very rare formation of 5-3-2

i know, i made that point a few days ago unfortunately though Gerrard was suspended which put the pressure on Lampard to perform and the simple fact is he didnt. He hit a few weak long range shots but lacks Gerrards driving running ability.

Lets get it straight
Lampard is an attacking box 2 box player who can defend
Gerrard is a defensive minded box 2 box player who can attack

you're right about Lampard to a degree though he does his best work for chelsea when he is protected and doesnt have to defend. gerrard however is more than a defensively minded player, liverpool have succesfully used him as a right winger, old fashioned inside right, and as support striker. he is primarily an attack minded player but is so good defensively too that when he plays a defensive role people just think thats his natural role

its hard to draw comparisons with other players because there really arent many who can do both jobs so well, how many 'defensively minded' players scored 23 goals last year? not many...

Hey MZK57... I have no beef with you and I do appreciate your attempt to join us in debating the merits or lack thereof of Premere League teams. Unfortunately your antics is problematic. Now there are MANY teams I dont care for, yet a level of respect should be present when in discourse with members here for which you have yet to give. We have members here in MilanMania who support these rival teams and many more who support English teams too. Now most of these members dont trash Milan when posting messages here in the manner you do towards the clubs they support. You are standing out to becoming an annoyance and indeed having the potential for your expulsion here. Now many folks here have been respectful to you. I highly recommend that you try to do the same.

to be serious England has super strong squad, but with that attitute they will never become champions. McLaren talked to some Croatian trainers ( I think it was Prosinečki ) night before the game and said england only things about their own game. Not about the opponents. Well, that is completely wrong! And in the field it does look that way. With players like Lampard, Gerard in the middle, and Beckham( or whoever ) and J.Cole on the flanks, and so on...Terry, rio, Cole, Rooney....they can beat any team in the world. But they need to play SMART. And they are playing like they have never heard about tactical variations. How is it possible that England plays at home against Macedonia and lately in the game when its still 0-0 they dont change a single tactical variation in their game? You cant play 150 long balls to Crouch and expect to win against well organized teams like Croatia or not to talk about, for example Italy.
england needs smart manager who will explain to them that it doesnt matter who invented football, but how do you play it TODAY. And they things will go forward.

Originally Posted by Stezagud

how many 'defensively minded' players scored 23 goals last year? not many...

Well thats bcoz he is the only talented player in LUCKYpool and there weren't any any natural finishers there . Plus scoring mostly against West Ham, Wigan, Portsmouth, Birmingham etc is not of much value compared to some one who was the highest goal scorer 3 sesons in a row in a much more high standard team and in the presence of much much more highly talented palyers like Crespo, Drogba, Gudjohnsen, Hasselbaink, Robben, Mutu, Duff etc comp[ared to Peter Crouch, Fowler and Cisse

Originally Posted by Stezagud

The midfield 4 should be Lennon, Joe Cole, Gerrard and Hargreaves

Up front Rooney is getting better by the game and will soon be back to his best

Crouch has been scoring for fun and terrifies most defences

Originally Posted by mrki

england only things about their own game. Not about the opponents.

I think you've read that all wrong and how it is actually meant. That's not being arrogant at all and it's a way of thinking that the majority of teams, coaches and players adopt at times. Because Mclaren has apparently said this, it doesn't mean that no thought or studying of the Croatian team wasn't undertaken. It doesn't mean they didn't watch tapes of the opposition, it doesn't mean they didn't have meetings about the Croatian players and the best ways to counter act them (even if it didn't do much good). All he's alleged to have said according to you is that he's put his team first and it's not good worrying about the other team when you can't change how they prepare.

If this is one of the reasons you think England are arrogant then you need to wake up and stop acting like a fool. Especially if you and anyone else buys the rubbish the English media spouts. If you can't seperate the media from the team then there's no hope for reasoned arguments from people like you.