All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

I m kinda upset with the outcome of the verdict. None of our head management is involved in this and Milan got nothing in the end.

Oh well, with the Juve being handed back some points, hopefully they will be back in Serie A next season. Itlaian football won't be that hype without Juve around in Serie A unless they enjoyed playing in Serie B.

Originally Posted by Kui

Yes, but not ONLY Juve. Juve was both motive and big bait to get INTER rivals to bite. And BITE did Milan, Lazio, and Fiorentina do! I mean really I have to say that the coup was absolutely brilliant! Just look back... all Juve haters were in a bliss when this all started and little did they know that such fervor would bring in a reign of terror. It only was a matter of time that our heads was next on the chopping block. Now I'll use some historical context in this and will make another prediction. The terror hasnt ended yet. As what Robespierre started in 18th Century France, such will happen to those who initiated CalcioPoli. INTER, Moratti, Rossi... these guys are next. Sic Semper Tyrannis! Now how will this come to past? Well it will take some big cojones from one of our clubs who hath suffered as a result of the CalcioPoli ruling. Thing is that such clubs can suffer even more than what has already been ruled by the courts. The only way I see the fall of the tyrants is if a club like ACMILAN is so far down in the pit that the stakes would make it worthwhile. What's there thats left to lose if we fail in this seasons campaign? As you said there still is TAR. I wouldnt discount that option. Of course with this new ruling, Lazio and Fiorentina have cowed to such mercy and perhaps even Juve have relented. This too was a smart move by the appelate judges on INTER's behalf. Makes it really only one club left to suffer.... AC Milan. And with Milan by itself, I'm afraid we just dont have the clout to go at it by ourselves.

Smart words again !

There were many Ottho's here who would have done everything to see Galba dead.... Galba was murdered, but Ottho didn't get much use from it.
Just as you predicted Kui.... our Ottho, just like the one almost 2000 years ago, commited a suicide shortly after.

Now lets see what will Vitellius do....

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Smart words again !

There were many Ottho's here who would have done everything to see Galba dead.... Galba was murdered, but Ottho didn't get much use from it.
Just as you predicted Kui.... our Ottho, just like the one almost 2000 years ago, commited a suicide shortly after.

Now lets see what will Vitellius do....

Well I hope Vespasian arrives sooner than later for us exiled conscript paters... Juve and Milan. Lets get the real patricians back to their rightful places and put the Plebes and the Capite Censi (INTER) down in the Cloaca where they belong.

Funny stuff, not for you of course

Past talk:"LA STIAMO VINCENDO!" exclaimed the exstatic Milan channel director Mauro Suma at half time of the 2005 Champions League final. Milan was leading 3-0.
Present Outcome: Liverpool claw their way back to 3-3 and win on penalties.

Past Talk:"We should be awarded two Scudetti" exclaimed Berlusconi in mid-May of 2006 as the calciopoli scandal broke out.
Present Outcome: Couple of days later Milan got involved in the scandal through one of it's directors.

Past Talk: "We win here, not like Inter" Milan fans in July to Giuseppe Favalli who has crossed over from city rivals.
Present Outcome: 2005/06 season was the 2nd in a row that Milan failed to win anything and is going on third

Past:"Don't worry, we will be above Inter come december!" Galliani to Milan fans after Milan was penalized 8 points for this season.
Present:November is around the corner and Milan is 14 points behind Inter and only 3 above relegation zone.

Words do have a negative effect on outcomes
Just kidding of course

Karim, not sure if you have an arabic equivalent, hey for all I kno, this could have Middle Eastern origin...but we have a saying:

He who laughs last, laughs best.

Congrats on winning this battle, but kindly note, the war rages on.

No no I undersatnd that!
I just wanted to share a bit on the paradox effect we are witnessing here, the battle is over, the war will forever be on!

And nice on the arabic thing
Man Yadhak Akheeran Yadhak Katheran

Originally Posted by Karim Abdoun

Funny stuff, not for you of course

Past talk:"LA STIAMO VINCENDO!" exclaimed the exstatic Milan channel director Mauro Suma at half time of the 2005 Champions League final. Milan was leading 3-0.
Present Outcome: Liverpool claw their way back to 3-3 and win on penalties.

Past Talk:"We should be awarded two Scudetti" exclaimed Berlusconi in mid-May of 2006 as the calciopoli scandal broke out.
Present Outcome: Couple of days later Milan got involved in the scandal through one of it's directors.

Past Talk: "We win here, not like Inter" Milan fans in July to Giuseppe Favalli who has crossed over from city rivals.
Present Outcome: 2005/06 season was the 2nd in a row that Milan failed to win anything and is going on third

Past:"Don't worry, we will be above Inter come december!" Galliani to Milan fans after Milan was penalized 8 points for this season.
Present:November is around the corner and Milan is 14 points behind Inter and only 3 above relegation zone.

Words do have a negative effect on outcomes
Just kidding of course

Don't get too cocky now, we're only in November and the season lasts until May. Ancelotti's Milan always plays at its best from February an onwards, and having a dip in form around this time of the year is hardly uncommon for us. If we didn't have an 8 point penalization to deal with, we'd only be six points behind Inter.
Fact is, Inter will have a dip in form as well. And we'll be ready to take advantage of it when they do.

Originally Posted by devoted_dm

Don't get too cocky now, we're only in November and the season lasts until May. Ancelotti's Milan always plays at its best from February an onwards, and having a dip in form around this time of the year is hardly uncommon for us. If we didn't have an 8 point penalization to deal with, we'd only be six points behind Inter.
Fact is, Inter will have a dip in form as well. And we'll be ready to take advantage of it when they do.

nO NO, guys I am not cocky, please read my damn last 2 sentences, I am just foolin around a bit taht's all

I dont know if many of you folks have realized, but the officiating of our league games have been questionable if not outright dubious this season. We've had outright incompetent or darn right spiteful officials refereeing our games. I feel that in their circles somehow they want to make sure our club ACMILAN suffer the punishment their kangaroo courts failed (somewhat) to do. We've had more calls against us this year than we have had in last years campaign with the Juve pocketed refs. Honestly we had better chances winning anything with cheatin Juve than we have with officials angry we are not in Serie B this season. I'm sadly dissapointed not with our team but with the ineptmness of Italian justice system. Many of you would choose to look at our problems internally... yet kindly look at the external forces trying to ruin us. It is quite obvious.

@ Kui :

I can't really say if there is an Anti-Milan alliance among the refs, because obviously i'm not one of them ...but...

..I also don't know how many matches of Milan you've been watching Kui, but from all the matches i saw this season ( 6 in serie A) the ONLY scandalous decission refs made, was when that ref on Sampdoria-Milan allowed Kaladze's goal after he stopped the ball with his hand.

I'm not watching Milan as a fan, or as anti-Milanista (except for Inter-Milan when i cheered for your club), and i believe i am neutral enough. That's why it sounds funny when i see how many of u here think the refs are ruining your team.
Come onnn...how can anyone say it was a penalty over Gourcouff, when it was obvious diving ???
And all those times you (MM members and Milan players) were asking for a penalty....since when everytime when Pippo or Gila fall in the box after they push the other player as much as he's pushing them, it has to be a penalty.

I stronly believe ( from what i saw with my own eyes) refs didn't make any big mistake against Milan this season.

Look for the cause of Milan's bad results somewhere else, not with the refs !
This is not the Milan i'm used to watch. The way Milan plays is a humiliation to the name Milan...the way the defense plays is a humiliation to Baresi, Stam, Tassotti or Maldini in old days.
Refs seem fair enough till now. As a Juventino, i'm always looking for ref "mistakes" when Inter plays, or "mistakes" that are against Milan, Roma or Palermo...but with the exception of some minor errors that happen everywhere, i haven't seen anything spectacular.

GL

call it a pretty good hunch Tony. I havent been wrong as of yet.

Originally Posted by Kui

call it a pretty good hunch Tony. I havent been wrong as of yet.

Yes, i didn't disagree with u about your theory. It is very logical actually.

I'm just saying that SO FAR there's something else causing the problems , and that smth ain't the referees.
But if Milan finds itself in a position to fight for the scudetto, or the 4th place....then i think your theory will be proven correct !

Originally Posted by Tony29.

@ Kui :


I stronly believe ( from what i saw with my own eyes) refs didn't make any big mistake against Milan this season.

GL

You'll think twice after you see the number of times when bad offside call is made. But, it happens to all the team (hopefully). And, it's actually quite frustrating when I watched the Derby during the first half. Ref. is REALLY poor, and guess what? INter got 80% of the call. At least 20% of those are ambiguous.

Anyway, Milan has their own problems to solve...

acmilan.com has listed the controversies in the referee's decision for 7 games out of 10.

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=31618

Since the start of the 2006-07 season the following controversial calls have occurred:

Milan-Lazio: Inzaghi’s goal disallowed at 0-0.

Livorno-Milan: Ambrosini fouled in the area at 0-0, but penalty awarded.

Milan-Siena: Rinaudo commits a foul in the first half but no penalty awarded, then Pirlo’s goal is disallowed in the second half.

Sampdoria-Milan: Inzaghi is fouled in the area by Castellazzi at 0-0, but no penalty.

Milan-Palermo: Gilardino’s goal disallowed at 2-0 down.

Chievo-Milan: foul committed on Gilardino in the area at 0-0.

Atalanta-Milan: Bonera is felled by Tissone in the area, foul is not given. Gourcuff falls in the area after a clash with Donati, Pieri first calls the foul but then decides to call a foul against Milan, and the ball is already in the back of the net.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Yes, i didn't disagree with u about your theory. It is very logical actually.

I'm just saying that SO FAR there's something else causing the problems , and that smth ain't the referees.
But if Milan finds itself in a position to fight for the scudetto, or the 4th place....then i think your theory will be proven correct !

No problem. Actually the argument I put forward has some credibility to it though a weak one. I actually am working on an angle for people to see. You see the Milan fan lot is saying we had a poor transfer season yet fail to ask the big question... WHY? I say go back to MoggiPoli. From there I have theorized something big for people to ponder on. Remember what I said about Milan at the very very early part of MoggiPoli? Well from there perhaps we can have at least a theory to why the complacency. I believe you know where I'm headed to on this one!