what is so bad about Gilardino??

The arguments that the two of you came up with are some of the funniest I remember on MilanMania, and I've been reading this site for more then 6 years now. So, that means that these arguments are really special.

From unimportant goals, to a "make belief" interview comments, to being picked in a Fantasy Football game, to Ronaldo being better because he can run 100m in 11 secs......sorry if I missed something!
Doesn't get any better then this!

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

you're both moaning about not taking your arguments seriously, then you just go and say that because few people have Gilardino in their fantasy football teams, it must mean he's crap! Give me strength, you go from bad to worse!

Personally, i think you got this interview interpretation all wrong Oksana. What you think he said and what he actually said (as many people on here have read) are two different things. Maybe your grandad just caught the last bit of it and got it all out of context. If it was true we'd have seen it all over the place wouldn't we?

Luca Toni had a mixed world cup to say the least, just like Gilardino. Was it the Semi-Final against Germany where Gilardino came on in the 2nd half? I think so and in that game Toni was a lumbering oaf while Gilardino's movement and link up play were superb.

Oh and your poster boy Drucurl pulled up with cramps at the weekend, so i don't think we'll be seeing the podgy Brazilian running 100m in 11 seconds.

Maybe grandpa got just the last phrase, I do not know now...but saying that if I hate Gila then every word i say is lies is really bad. But if you are just saying that I probably got it wrong because of some reason whatever it might be - is different. Yes probably he did not say those words, as I wrote.

No what fantasy football teams show is that people choose players who are performing well in small patches, those players who get you the highest amount of points.

If you have so much faith in Inzaghi why'd you swap him for Toni? Because Inzaghi isn't scoring and you think Toni will get you more points!!!!!

Before the football season starts, hundreds of thousends of people, who play in Magic Campionato have to make their teams before the first match. This means that people choose those players that they believe will play well this season...and those who they have money for. Its exactly about believing in players. Because who would say that for instance, Quagliarella will score many times, or Rigano...???? Noone could predict. And many people bought Inzaghi in their starting teams. I had him, but now..he is not scoring and it is not certain recently if he starts with the first team or comes on sub, thats why I bought Toni. Toni have scored many goals last year, and this year he scores not badly.
My point is that YES Inzaghi does not play good this year, but in Gila I dont have any faith...same as many other people.

Can someone please close this pile of horse sh!t thread pleeeease

I don't think every word you say is a lie Oksana.

Regarding this fantasy football thing, i just don't see it as being a good criteria to base an argument on.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

I don't think every word you say is a lie Oksana.

Regarding this fantasy football thing, i just don't see it as being a good criteria to base an argument on.

I did not try to base any arguement, I have just said about Magic Campionato as a piece of information. I was not trying to base any arguement. Just remembered about this and said it. I did not really do any attempts to comapare it with real football, although this game is based on real footballers performance; but YES - it is just a game. It might not mean anything at all. I meant that people buy those players to their teams that they believe in, but it can be just my subjective opinion. Really dont take it personal guys.

I give up. You change your mind so often it's unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

This is so pedantic!

What's the point of posting it then if you're not sure about it's relevance either? You surely would have know you'd get a reaction from it. So why bother otherwise?

The point of posting was to tell you guys about my thought...its relevance is clear, and the place is right to post it. So why could not I do that? Just because someone doesn't want to read it? It doesnt work like that, does it? People post here their thoughts, opinions, judgements and all the rest. This is why the forum exists, or no? People discuss here football or milan related topics. I did not write it to get some negative reaction or start an arguement, but i was ineterested in the opinions. You seem to attack every word I say on this forum now. I am (sorry for saying that, I just cannot think of any other suitable comparison at the moment) a "***** of a situation" now in whatever I say. Every word I say now is wrong, irrelevant, stupid and etc.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

I give up. You change your mind so often it's unbelievable.

Where do i change my mind?

Originally Posted by Egoistka

I did not write it to get some negative reaction or start an arguement.

How else could it have been percieved? We know you don't like Gilardino, that you don't have faith in him anymore and then you post this piece of information (fantasy football) which you say shows that lots of people don't have faith in Gilardino. That's a pretty concrete link there. You have a view and then post something that supports your view. What other way could it have been seen?

How do you change your mind? That piece of info has gone from supporting your view of a lack of faith in Gilardino to now being something you think might not have any relevance. You can surely see that?

You can post most things here, no one is saying you can't. You have your freedom to say what you wish (within the rules of the forum of course), i'm not stopping you. The only time i would criticise what you put is if it's in relation to this Gilardino debate.

When have i attacked you? We debate about Gilardino in here and that's all. I've never been mean to you, said you lie all the time, said that everything you post is irrelevant, that you're stupid, etc. I wouldn't do anything like that. Yeah maybe i get heated in this thread, but only on this subject. Who was one of the first people to welcome you back? I wouldn't do that if i wanted to attack you.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

How else could it have been percieved? We know you don't like Gilardino, that you don't have faith in him anymore and then you post this piece of information (fantasy football) which you say shows that lots of people don't have faith in Gilardino. That's a pretty concrete link there. You have a view and then post something that supports your view. What other way could it have been seen?

How do you change your mind? That piece of info has gone from supporting your view of a lack of faith in Gilardino to now being something you think might not have any relevance. You can surely see that?

You can post most things here, no one is saying you can't. You have your freedom to say what you wish (within the rules of the forum of course), i'm not stopping you. The only time i would criticise what you put is if it's in relation to this Gilardino debate.

When have i attacked you? We debate about Gilardino in here and that's all. I've never been mean to you, said you lie all the time, said that everything you post is irrelevant, that you're stupid, etc. I wouldn't do anything like that. Yeah maybe i get heated in this thread, but only on this subject. Who was one of the first people to welcome you back? I wouldn't do that if i wanted to attack you.

OK PEACE!!! I ll try to be Gilardino neutral. I ll really try hard

egoistika, is this magic campionato a fantasy football league like the uefa champs league one? if so, can you plz gimme the league as i have been looking for a Serie A one for a while now!

a fantasy football league like the uefa champs league one? if so, can you plz gimme the league as i have been looking for a Serie A one for a while now!

Are you looking for a Serie A fantasy football? I'm in it and in a league
It's by Yahoo: http://us.seriea.fantasysports.yahoo.com/football

Guess Its only me now. Jeff for the life of me I can't understand how you find my post insulting but for what its worth I'm genuinely sorry.

What continues to puzzle is how the pro-Gila camp continue to dierespect the arguments of the other side. There are numerous claims that there is actually no argument against Gila and the anti-gila faction have personal issues against him.

Let me put it as simply as humanly possible because my argument can be summed up in one statement:
Alberto Gilardino is not a reliable goalscorer and for someone who is an out-and out striker this is counterproductive and works against the team's interests

What's this pro-Gila camp you are talking about. Just because some of us are protecting Gila, it doesn't mean that we are "pro-Gila camp". Because I certainly will be the first one to turn on Gila, but when HE DESERVES it. Because I, and I am positive all the other people like Jim, Jeff..etc, are Pro-Milan and not Pro-Gila.

You say that he is not a reliable goalscorer, which is fine. That is your oppinion, but untill you PROVE that your oppinion is the right one you will get people on your back. For example even if I wanted to, I can't take your side because the arguments against your oppinion are totally stronger and make sence.

-Your side said that he hasn't scored a single goal while Inzaghi and RO have scored at least one. - Gila proved that wrong because now he has 2 goals.

-Your side said that even though he sometimes scores, those goals are only unimportant ones. -Tony proved that wrong!

-Your side said that Gila is arrogant and said god knows what about Sheva. -AGAIN that was proven wrong by a lot of people here.

-Then a stupid fantasy football game was used to make us believe that Gila sucks. -This by the way didn't even have to be proven wrong.

-Now all you are left with is your own oppinion and no grounds. - Drucurl:"Let me put it as simply as humanly possible because my argument can be summed up in one statement:
Alberto Gilardino is not a reliable goalscorer and for someone who is an out-and out striker this is counterproductive and works against the team's interests".
Now, after saying this statement without any real argument behind you but only your own oppinion, tell me how are you expecting to turn people's heads and make them agree with you? - I'll answer for you: You can't becuase you don't have even a weak argument. It is all based on you own personal dissliking of the player.

Nefremo's points are absolutely ridiculous. I wont even bother replying to any of them because i'm fed up from how many times im repeating myself.

I will try to summarize everything I think of Gila:


He was a great scorer at Parma and scored 23 goals in 2 seasons in a row and that is something UNBELIEVABLE, especially for a 23 yr old. That enough shows great potential and warrants him a starting place in Milan according to "pro-Gila camp".

Last season, his first in Milan, he scored 19 goals in Serie A and 0 in CL out of 8 games. I believe Pippo scored 5 in 4 games or something like that. Ofcourse 19 goals in his first season at Milan is good, but IMO, with the team we had last year, most of the world-class strikers would have as much goals as him. Afterall, our team had the most goals scored all over the world last season!

Even though he scored 19, I believe he did not contribute much to the actual team. He never came back and helped in midfield or defence, and he didnt hold the ball up much. Ofcourse there were a few exceptions where he did, but most of the time he didnt.

From how bad he was, everytime he got the ball (even with Italy) and he collided with a player, he goes for a dive trying to win a foul. It is really appauling when you see him doing it over and over and over again.

This season, Gila has been even worse than last season and has been completely useless. He finally scored his first goal against Inter and IMO had a great game and played really really well and contributed alot to the team, I gave him credit for it. He also then scored in the next game against Anderlecht, in a game where we were thrashing them at the San Siro. I didnt see the game so I couldn't judge his performance.


Thats basically everything I think of Gila summarized. Thats only my opinion, and im sure there are a few people that agree with me. But just please dont treat me like a retard just for thinking Gila is not good enough for Milan, because everyone is entitled to his opinion. It is no grudge or nothing that I have against him, it is just that I think he's not good enough. If he starts scoring for Milan and brings his great form, I will happily be the first to applaud him and support him, but for now I cant do that until I see him playing well for a good 5 or 6 games in a row.