Atalanta v Milan, 5/11/06 2pm

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Originally Posted by Tony29.

I can see a part of this attitude change of Ancelotti and the other Milan officials, here :

1. Both Juve and Milan entered the season worried that the refs will "kill" them ! After the scandal, it was very well expected the refs to make some calls against our clubs, and now we were so brainwashed that we see ref mistakes even when there aren't any.

2. After it was "proved" some refs were beeing bought in the past and they gave bad image to all the refs in Italy....now it's the easiest thing to do to blame the refs and put presure on them. !!!

Lets get realistic here. I can't say there weren't calls against Milan, but i can't see how can anyone blame the ref for not giving a penalty over Inzaghi on Sampdoria match, and forget how Milan scored the goal on the same match.

You must well be an expert on referees and their techniques, given the manipulation for years you perpetrated. We are fans , but we are not blind or stupids: the relation between debatable episodes and in Milan favour is something like 7-8 v 1 (Kaladze). Even notorious Inter and Juve fans recognised, in italian football shows, how wrong some decisions were . This can mean soemthing. I don't think there's a plot, but a sort of fear to appear at the service of Berlusconi and Galliani power

Guys, I managed to see the game highlights on youtube

after all the cries for a penalty for Gourcuff, I really wanted to see that shot

The ref first saw it as a penalty, I saw the ref running towards the Atalanta defenders, I saw Gourcuff fall and thought it's a penalty, then the ref asks the assistant who says nothing on Gourcuff, he dived. I was outraged actually, don't know but was really, then the relay, I think nothig was wrong on the young Milan player, many knwo me here and know that in refereeing I am honest and I always speak what's in my mind not my heart, it wasn't a penalty, really

I agree, but the foul on Bonera was. I'd rather try to forget the game though!

Originally Posted by Giovanni

the relation between debatable episodes and in Milan favour is something like 7-8 v 1 (Kaladze).

I don't say there weren't calls against Milan..and there probably were more calls against than there were in their favour.
But the list of calls against Milan on acmilan.com i found to be exegareted.
Gilardino's ruled goal against Palermo ??????
I saw that match, i saw that "goal". Clear, very clear offside in 92nd minute !

The penalty over Inzaghi on Sampdoria-Milan !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK3A6PxGQd8
Who can blame the ref when Inzaghi was looking to fall instead of scoring in that position.
And even if you say it was a penalty, the handball before the goal Kalazdze scored, rules out the posibility of that ref being against Milan.

Milan-Siena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvQ9TuEa4EI
3:43 minutes highlights of the match. Not even one suspicious situation ! But on that list there was smthg about this match also going against Milan.
(Milan missed at least 10 great chances on this match. How can anyone (Ancelotti) blame the ref , and not blame himself or his players ? )

And if you visit some other forums ( i visited Inter's after the big derby), you'll see those fans blaming the ref for "scandalous" calls against their team while playing against Milan. I'm sure on Siena's, Sampdoria's or other forums you'll find a lot of similar whining and cursing the refs !

Kui explained very well what's happening... but AC Milan officials are acting like a goverment with huge internal problems, trying to hide those problems by creating an affair ( "foreign soldiers went 10 metres into our teritory" or kinda like that) out of nothing, and filling the newspapers and TV News with this "scandal" !

My team officials did illegal stuff and my team is in Serie B - i've accepted it
Now you should accept the fact that Berlu and Galliani aren't the most influental people in Italian football ( just as Moggi isn't, and Juventini accepted it)

Sorry for re-activating this old topic, but it was now that i saw Gio's reply on my post !

Originally Posted by NAMMY

I agree, but the foul on Bonera was. I'd rather try to forget the game though!

The faul on Bonera definately was....About Gourcuff, I think there was nothing.

Originally Posted by Karim Abdoun

Guys, I managed to see the game highlights on youtube

after all the cries for a penalty for Gourcuff, I really wanted to see that shot

The ref first saw it as a penalty, I saw the ref running towards the Atalanta defenders, I saw Gourcuff fall and thought it's a penalty, then the ref asks the assistant who says nothing on Gourcuff, he dived. I was outraged actually, don't know but was really, then the relay, I think nothig was wrong on the young Milan player, many knwo me here and know that in refereeing I am honest and I always speak what's in my mind not my heart, it wasn't a penalty, really

I actually agree with this, but I also don't think Gourcuff dived, so in reality play probably should have just continued (which resulted with the ball in the net). However, the referee handled that situation terribly.

However, on the Bonera incident, there was absoloutly no doubt it was a penalty, it really couldn't have been much clearer.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

I actually agree with this, but I also don't think Gourcuff dived, so in reality play probably should have just continued (which resulted with the ball in the net). However, the referee handled that situation terribly.

Well the ref did get intimidated big time from the fans and especially the opposing team. I dont think anyone should get in a refs face including when our players do it. It only causes an questionable official to make it a worse call than what might have been.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

However, on the Bonera incident, there was absoloutly no doubt it was a penalty, it really couldn't have been much clearer.

This is where the ref shoud have said to himself "I messed up on the Bonera play so let me make it up with this questionable Gourcuff play". He might have actually planned to do so unitl he was surrounded by the dissent. I'm pretty sure that was what the Atalanta players were thinking too. Gives reason to why they did put him in a tight spot.

well, I agree with both Dev and Kui.
I think the foul on Bonera was pretty clear ... it wasn't even a dif situation, right in front of the linesman ... don't think there was any foul on Gorky but at the same time, I am not entirely convinced that his fall was intentional.

Refs often do make up for past errors and this one could have at least allowed that own goal for Atalanta but Pieri doesn't seem to have the strength of personality to make such a decision against the home team. Actually, I am not sure he has the personality to be a Serie A ref at all, especially in this period after calciopoli when refs are under constant scrutiny and suspicion.