Roma-Milan

like i said in pre match comment, its hard to see us winning if there is no change - in tactics, coach, players, motivation... anything. We dont play that bad, but we need something extra to edge games in our favour.

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

We might gave the 101% yesterday,but the difference between a great club and a good club is that the great club can still win even when they dont play good football!
At the moment Milan isn't a great team!
It can be only if we change a lot of things!

I know, in recent past with same player (a year or 2 younger plus the ukrainian) used to play many avreage games but still win them. This is just a period where everything goes agaisnt us i.e. luck.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Secondly, we were unlucky, but at the same time I was wondering about some of our moves. Time and time again, Oliveira got on my nerves. Granted he wasn't playing badly as such, but he'd never feed the ball to Gila, who was constantly around the box either making a good run or ready to hold and lay off the ball. Oliveira has to play more with the players around him, otherwise the whole move gets wasted unless he scores a spectacular goal everytime. Gila today had very little to feed off of. This was evident even after Pippo replaced him, as Pippo hd the same problems.

my thoughts exactly.. i appreaciate oliviera's efforts but he really should atleast attempt to pass the ball to gila/pippo.. he's not the only one though, passes to gila were very scarce throughout the whole match

my biggest concern in this match wasn't just the fact our strikers are drawin' blanks yet again... but rather why waste 2 subs just for the strike-force alone... and not usin' our 3rd sub to bring in Gourcuff to try & turn things around... the other concerns are obviously concedin' 2 stupid goals... and concedin' the first so early & the second so late...

Originally Posted by Graeme C

but Ancelloti uses to many excuses, Ref decisions, level of fitness, bad pitch.. he cant always say we played cr*p because of these reasons, we played cr*p because we played cr*p...he should say, ah we made too many mistakes, we will have to improve before the next game.... If the level of fitness is a concern, it brings up the whole transfer situation up again, and the squad depth debate... Maybe there is physcological problems with the side, if so why havent they brought the shrinks in yet? ...

Please kindly ask you to give me 1 (according to you) excuse which Ancellotti said and is not TRUE.

What Ancellotti should say is not to us or the media but to the players, and I believe he is doing a great job, otherwise Berlusconi will sack him out not defending him so hard as he did yesterday.

Originally Posted by Xudong

If we really need to go for someone on the market in January, my only suggestion is a gamble: Cassano. He could be a timebomb, but his talent could help us greatly if his ego doesn't kill us; this desperate situation might call for some desperate prescription. But he is cup-tied, is he?

Cup tied doesn't matter. We are doiong ok in CL, coz there are no Italian refs, and it's an easy enough group, but Serie A is the problem. Cassano could be great, but considering how we are being treated by refs he could find himself sent off in every match he plays with his attitude.

Also we can't afford to make a press silence, as we have enough problems this season without an already biased media making further problems for us. Pyschology we are off, way off IMO, but also Ancelotti needs to amend his philosophy for the sake of results. enerally I'd say no to this, but its need at the moment. I'd drop Pirlo, & Gila for next match.

I'd give a few youngsters like De Gennaro & Aubameyang a chance, and play
4-3-3.

Something like
Dida,
Simic, Nesta, Maldini, Janku
Gourcuff Brocchi Seedorf
Kaka Inzaghi Oliveira

Subs: De Gennaro, Aubameyang, Cafu, Pirlo, Gila, Billy, Fiori

FORZA MILAN PER SEMPRE.

Just give Carlo one midfielder to cover Seedorf and a decent striker like Amorosso. He change the results instantly. We should also respect the fact that we are missing Kaladze and Gattuso, both defensive players who add a lot of stability. Serginho could have covered Seedorf but even he is out injured. Favalli, when is good shape can also give 60-70 minutes of top class defending in a match.

There is simply no point in sacking Carlo and that is not because his departure will make our team unstable but because he is the best manager to lead us untill the current buch of players (gattuso, pirlo, seedorf, kaladze, janku, etc.) leave us. We cannot afford to sack him.

I agree. Changing coach won't fix anything. We NEED a few new players.

[quote=rahul.acm]Just give Carlo one midfielder to cover Seedorf and a decent striker like Amorosso. He change the results instantly. Favalli, when is good shape can also give 60-70 minutes of top class defending in a match.[quote]

Is see no point in sacking Ancelotti either, but what you posted above is tosh.
Amoroso is not average, never mind decent. at this moment we need a goal machine - plain and simple, a decent wide player, a def mid who isn't injury prone, and a class centre half. Even if Carlo had an option for Seedorf like Gourcuff, he still wouldn't use him that much, case in point, Dhorasoo, Vogel, Ambro when fit. Change the minutes to seconds for the quote on Favalli. Shouldn't be wearing our jersey at the expense of youngsters like Marzoratti. Shameful management.

Originally Posted by Tony75

.... but what you posted above is tosh.
Amoroso is not average, never mind decent. at this moment we need a goal machine - plain and simple, a decent wide player, a def mid who isn't injury prone, and a class centre half. Even if Carlo had an option for Seedorf like Gourcuff, he still wouldn't use him that much, case in point, Dhorasoo, Vogel, Ambro when fit. Change the minutes to seconds for the quote on Favalli. Shouldn't be wearing our jersey at the expense of youngsters like Marzoratti. Shameful management.

Well what I want is a back up attacker who can step in at any time of the game and let the game continue at the same pace. Amorosso would have been a good back up.

Untill June I wouldn't want a defender unless he is a CB. We have enough players as LBs and Cafu and Bonera don't look heavily injury prone to play as RBs. I don't know whether Carlo would use a Seedorf sub or not but the amount of games he is playing results in patchy performances and concentration lapses. I am sure Carlo would at least give a second look to the Seedorf sub.

Favalli has been out with injury and because of that you see that he is completly useless or ... whatever. Let him recover completely and he could have served as a better LB than Simic during the Roma game. Last but not least do not discount his experience.

Marzoratti needs experience and that is exactly why he should not be with us and Favalli should. Besides Marzorati is a RB and not a LB like Favalli and when Favalli (a highly capable sub) is available for free I don't see any reson why we should not take him.

Originally Posted by rahul.acm

Marzoratti needs experience and that is exactly why he should not be with us and Favalli should. Besides Marzorati is a RB and not a LB like Favalli and when Favalli (a highly capable sub) is available for free I don't see any reson why we should not take him.

Because if the club have any desire for success, or any slimmer of ambition players like that should be signed once every 5 seasons or more, not as one of main signing of each new season.

RB/LB makes no difference. For a team that plays with a narrow midfield he's not good enough for our team for his supposed role.

Originally Posted by MILAN!

my thoughts exactly.. i appreaciate oliviera's efforts but he really should atleast attempt to pass the ball to gila/pippo.. he's not the only one though, passes to gila were very scarce throughout the whole match

True, but Oliveira had at least two superb opportunities to lay the ball off to Gila to create good scoring chances. The first I remember was he took a right foot shot that was straight at the keeper, while had he'd passed Gila would have been 1 on 1 with the keeper. The second was a long ranged left foot shot which he sent well wide. Again Gila had taken a good position where he was ready to roll Mexes through to goal, or if he couldn't it was pretty good placing to lay off for another to have a good strike at goal.

Originally Posted by Tony75

Also we can't afford to make a press silence, as we have enough problems this season without an already biased media making further problems for us. Pyschology we are off, way off IMO, but also Ancelotti needs to amend his philosophy for the sake of results. enerally I'd say no to this, but its need at the moment. I'd drop Pirlo, & Gila for next match.

Exactly why I'd go for press silence. The pressure the media puts on the team isn't helping at all. Having a press silence would give the media less to write, but more importantly I'd block the players from any of the media, and simply cut it out for now, so they don't have to think about what's said.

Differing opinions I guess

Well ladies and gents, I've already said my peace about new players and yadda, yadda, yadda...

But I'm not too shocked at our current situation. For sure it will be an interesting time for us January 1-31, 2007. If nothing is done management needs to step down and get their collective heads examined.

I'm hanging on, painfully. I'm taking lots of s h i t e from Man Utd fans at work. If we get through to the next round of the CL I hope we draw them.

But we have to keep our heads above water.

Some of you think firing Carlo would solve the problem? That is just ridiculous!! How can firing Carlo solve anything when he was never the problem to begin with? Is it Carlo's fault that he has the same midfield to work with as 2003? Is it his fault that he has Favalli on the bench instead of Marcelo ? Is it his fault that Sheva left and a post-injury RO has come to replace him? Is it his fault that Boriello is his fourth striker instead of maybe Crespo?

Management must take a decent share of the blame for the dismal results and better take steps to correct their mistakes. As goose said, if they dont do anything substantial this Jan, they really need to get their heads examined.

My main problem with the lineup..(which is where we began to lose the game), is Carlo´s insistence on starting Clarence....he should have played Gourcuff...he is good enough to start against Roma...Seedorf was tired from the Italian Cup game...he should never have started.

Carlo´s tactics are also questionable, especially when you KNOW how Roma are going to play...all the ball posession in the world wont win u games...and so something has to change..

He is limited to the players he has at his disposal, but come on...he can do better. I am quite dismayed at this result...though were I a betting man, I would have bet on Roma...

We simply dont have what it takes to beat the big teams in Italy this year...it could be a mind thing...or it could be a combintation of the early start, stale tactics...poor defending...except that Milan of previous seasons could usually revocer from the one or two defensive errors that were made, as we were always capable of scoring..now..we get lost in the final 3rd...also, too many underperforming players.

Pirlo, Seedorf, and Nesta need long breaks on the sidelines...or to move on to other clubs, or in the case of Pirlo, maybe a change of position...something has got to change...and at present, I am too down to even concern myself with what that is.

Whatever Berlu, Galliani, Carlo, and the team choose to do, as Nike says: Just Do It.