European v South American football

South American football is just like football from any other part of the world, they have their good games/players and their rubbish games/players.

Except that South American football does it at a much higher level than all the rest.

Not all the time it doesn't, it's definately not the highest standard of football in the world. Nice to watch at times, entertaining for sure, but it can be just as dire as watching some of the poorer teams from other countries battle it out.

The only reason top football players go to Europe is for the money, and NOT because the football "is better" LOL

At risk of being crushed lol, who are you? Conan? If you concede the top players in South America are in Europe, where naturally they mingle with the top players Europe has to offer, then how can you say South America is better?

Europe has the best coaches, the best facilities, the strongest leagues and the longest traditions. Maybe you believe South America is more entertaining but there is little doubt over where the quality is. South American football can be very entertaining but that doesnt make it better football, my local sunday league team averages 6 goals a game, this is great for the fans but it doesnt make us better than professional clubs

Tell me something Jim, who has won the past three (and the only three) FIFA world club championships?

Originally Posted by Il Duce

This is a silly subject to even debate. All facts prove that South American football has always been, and still is the BEST.

If you're talking about pure talent, then SA players are better. If you're talking about the success of SA and Eur. football, they're very close. If you're talking about tactics and improving the football then SA teams are way behind.

Debate and crush me !

what does that prove?

All it says to me is that the South American teams that have won those games have been the better side in one off matches.

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

what does that prove?

All it says to me is that the South American teams that have won those games have been the better side in one off matches.

And those are matches European teams don't care much about. Matches in the middle of the season.
European top teams play hard matches twice a week and then they go to Japan to play some, more or less, meaningless games.

If current SA teams play with the best Eur. teams in a competition like the CL, which brings a lot of money, i don't think we'll be seeing more than 1 SA team in last 8.

It means more to South American sides too, European teams treat it like the European Super Cup, nice to win but not something that they'll be bothered about losing.

I remember when Utd won it in 99/2000, the players played it was the like the charity shield but still managed to win

Stezagud, I will now pick you apart point-by-point...

how can you say South America is better?

I can say South America is better because they have won the most FIFA World Cups while having hosted the event the fewest times. South America has hosted the World Cup only 4 times, yet they have won it 9 times. Europe has hosted the World Cup a record 10 times, while only being able to win it 9 times.

South America is the only continent to have won the World Cup outside its own continent. In fact, South America has won the World Cup on ALL FOUR continents that the FIFA World Cup has been held on (South America, North America, Europe, and Asia). Whereas Europe has never been able to win the FIFA World Cup outside of Europe.

I can also say South America is better because in head-to-head competiton between the champion of South America and Europe, the South American clubs have come out winning 28 times to Europe's 21.

And before the top South American players started going to play in Europe in 1994 because of the TV deal and Boseman ruling, the South American club champions won a whopping 23 times to Europe's 13 times.

I will continue destroying your argument in my next post...

Stezagud, I will now pick you apart point-by-point...

how kind of you

I wont be able to continue this now but maybe i will later, if not it'll have to wait until tommorow. From the look fo your response so far though its already clear you are using national achievements

I have already made my view of the world club cup clear in the other thread and consdider it the equivelant of me arguing Utd are the best team in England based on charity shield wins

I hope thats not the best you've got

Europe has the best coaches, the best facilities, the strongest leagues and the longest traditions.

Wrong, wrong, and even more wrong. While there are some good coaches to be found in the upper echelon of the Latin leagues of Europe (Spain, Italy, Portugal) and the Netherlands and Germany, the truth is that the best coaches in the world are consistently found in Brazil and Argentina. The amount of times South America has won the World Cup, their dominance of the world club championship, as well as their consistent development of the world's greatest players throughout football history (Pele, DiStefano, Maradonna, Romario, Ronaldinho, etc, etc.) proves this.

The South American clubs also have the best youth academies and training facilities/systems in all of football. Any top scout from Europe will tell you this but it is a big "no-no" to say it publicly because UEFA must continue its propaganda for financial purposes.

As for longest traditions, you only display your ignorance with your statement. The legendary clubs of South America have just as long, if not longer, traditions then most of their European counterparts. Did you also know that the Copa America (South America championship for nations) is the oldest national teams competition in the world?

Maybe you believe South America is more entertaining but there is little doubt over where the quality is. South American football can be very entertaining but that doesnt make it better football

No, the fact South America has the most entertaining football is just one of the results of it being the best and highest quality football in the world. It IS the BEST football in the world and the statistics prove it in each and every way.

Originally Posted by Il Duce

Stezagud, I will now pick you apart point-by-point...



I can say South America is better because they have won the most FIFA World Cups while having hosted the event the fewest times. South America has hosted the World Cup only 4 times, yet they have won it 9 times. Europe has hosted the World Cup a record 10 times, while only being able to win it 9 times.

South America is the only continent to have won the World Cup outside its own continent. In fact, South America has won the World Cup on ALL FOUR continents that the FIFA World Cup has been held on (South America, North America, Europe, and Asia). Whereas Europe has never been able to win the FIFA World Cup outside of Europe.

What's the difference between a south American Brazil and European Portugal if the World Cup is held in European Russia ?
Where do you see the advantage for Portugal ?

Even more, i'd say it's the South American teams that are being privileged here.
Most of them play in Europe so it makes absolutely no difference to them if a WC is held in Chile or Spain. They are used to both climates.
If a tournament is being held in N/S America then the SA teams have a clear advantage over the Europeans, but if it's held in Europe than Europeans have 0% advantage over the South Americans.
With equal chances ( when the tournament is being held in Europe), South Americans are the traditional losers.

The only real argument you have here is the WC held in Japan/Korea , nothing else.
Ok, maybe USA also. Although winning the WC on penalties doesn't imply SA teams were better than the Europeans.

Originally Posted by Il Duce

I can also say South America is better because in head-to-head competiton between the champion of South America and Europe, the South American clubs have come out winning 28 times to Europe's 21.

And before the top South American players started going to play in Europe in 1994 because of the TV deal and Boseman ruling, the South American club champions won a whopping 23 times to Europe's 13 times.

I will continue destroying your argument in my next post...

We already told you why is this.
European teams don't care at all about this matches.
Now even less than in the past.

Originally Posted by Il Duce

Wrong, wrong, and even more wrong. While there are some good coaches to be found in the upper echelon of Latin leagues of Europe (Spain, Italy, Portugal) and the Netherlands, the truth is that the best coaches in the world are consistently found in Brazil and Argentina. The amount of times South America has won the World Cup, their dominance of the world club championship, as well as their consistent development of the world's greatest players throughout football history (Pele, DiStefano, Maradonna, Romario, Ronaldinho, etc, etc.) proves this.

The South American clubs also have the best youth academies and training facilities/systems in all of football. Any top scout from Europe will tell you this but it is a big "no-no" to say it publicly because UEFA must continue its propaganda for financial purposes.

As for longest traditions, you only display your ignorance with your statement. The legendary clubs of South America has just as long, if not longer, traditions then most of their European counterparts. Did you also know that the Copa America (South America championship for nations) is the oldest national teams competition in the world?

You missed Kaka off of your list btw

and why if south America is sooo good why arnt players and coaches fighting to get there if the training facilities and everything better than Europe?

also why is it many Players say they want to leave South America for a challenge such as Brazils very own Alexandre Pato who said he would like to move to europe?

(i am looking forward to your reply seen as you have completly abbliterated all Steza's points of view )

From the look fo your response so far though its already clear you are using national achievements

No, in addition to South America's national acheivements, I have also posted club achievements and the consistent production of best players in the world.

If proving South America's superiority at national level, club level, and individual level doesn't prove the continent's superiority, then what does I ask you?

I have already made my view of the world club cup clear in the other thread and consdider it the equivelant of me arguing Utd are the best team in England based on charity shield wins. hope thats not the best you've got

How you equate a world club championship between two teams at full strength and in form to a silly charity shield is beyond me. If that's the best YOU'VE got, then your argument is already in shambles my friend