UCL SF 1st Leg: Manchester United vs. Milan

Originally Posted by zlatanov

no, but the heart of Milan's Central defense was missing and that was against the best team, the best attacking team of those years ... something you obviously don't see in Milan, so you shouldn't worry at all.

Plus, ManU will most likely have Heinze and Evra at their disposal ... and maybe even Neville would make it ... either way, you are NOT missing all 4 first choice defenders, so don't try to play the victim here and start loking for excuses in case of a defeat ... at least wait till the two games are over then feel free to suggest whether it was Maldini or Carlo who bribed ManU doctors to rush the return of Ferdinand and aggrevate his injury

Rio Vidic Neville (definately out until at least the weekend) and possibly Evra (touch and go) thats been or first choice defence this season, if evra makes it then its 3, if not then all 4 first choice defenders are out.

Ferdinand wasn't rushed back, he was actually only rested from our midweek game last week as a precaution, its just one of those things.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Oh, and btw...

Roma finished 5th last year and originally they should have played UEFA Cup, not CL.
They are the ones that didn't deserve to play CL because they weren't good enough to get in top4.
So, technically, Manchester United was privileged to play against an "UEFA Cup team", not against a Champions league material.
Talking about luck.....

Right ?

second in the league this year though, right?

Originally Posted by p_ps_sock

so was it Maldini who bribed the appeal panel to let you have just enough of a points deduction to let you back into the CL? This after initially being relegated for being cheating so and so's, if you win the CL this year it will be a travesty for all the honest hard working clubs around the world.

Man... Watch out your step. You shoot the WRONG target . I'm fine if you talk about we bribing the linesmen and so and so.. We PAID our mistake. But, it's not Milan. We have a virtue that we value highly, and you know what, Maldini is the symbol for that. Who do you ridicule at?!! Someone who all of the fans call a saint.. It's ok to have our opponent fans here, but please do not cross the line... And you think your club is the symbol of honesty???!!! Get REAL!!!

Originally Posted by p_ps_sock

well instead of posting generalisations enlighten me, was what I said not the allegation, were you and juve not both accused of doing what I said?

accused doesn't mean ita true. I accused you of being stupid but is it true? Oh well, it might be true for all i know.

I cant believe you guys even bother replying to this guy he's just here to piss you off. When a dark barks at you do you bark back?

Anyway back to the game, I fancy our chances of going through. Enough with the crap that alot of their players are missing, we have been through worse situations. In a year where all the English press were sayin Milan is all Shevchenko, he got injured for a whole month and we played against United without Sheva and completely dominated both legs without him. Thats just one example that comes to mind.

Every game has its own conditions, unfortunately for you guys you are unlucky with injuries at this point of the season. We have been unlucky for the entire season with injuries, we finally are able to depend on a full squad for the first time in the last 2 weeks. With all our injuries and troubles, we still managed to reach the semi-final of CL. Now Milan is finally fully loaded and are about to switch to the fourth gear. I am not afraid of united and I think we can beat them but all I fear is complacency.

Cmon Nesta, show them that Ronaldo is only good in the EPL where defenses do not exist. Cmon Kaka prove to them that you are the best in the world, use that free space you have. Pirlo has been great recently I just wish he keeps it up. Gilardino, PLEASE, WE NEED YOU. PLEASE BRING BACK THE PARMA GILARDINO! We need you now more than ever.

Our objective should not be to score an away goal, it should be to win this game with a two-goal difference. Do it for Italy, do it for Maldini! Forza Milan!

gattuso will kill c. rondaldo. if seedorf and kaka are in good conditions we will win this. it will all depend on our defence and if they can stop c. ronaldo. ManU is nothing without ronaldo.

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

I cant believe you guys even bother replying to this guy he's just here to piss you off. When a dog barks at you do you bark back?

How true. Indeed i was fortunate enough to recieve a private message from NTmilan ... whoever the f*ck that is ... here's what the delightful little boy (or girl) wrote to me.

"Dunno Whats in your head?

12 fit players? Its only in the mind, bru. Milan thinks they have psychological advantage with key united players out with injuries. But then again milan, they cant think coz theres nothing up there. If we had bashed roma (who r higher up than u), what makes u think we cant do the same with milan using our reserve but talented players. Ahh...then again, u cant think coz ur the same with all of milan, big headed but brainless, better use milans heads for kicking practice at old trafford."

How thoroughly decent of him to enrich my Monday morning like that I wonder if other members have been as lucky as i have and have recieved messages of their own.

If you have a message, please post it up so we can all have a good chuckle at the mindless clowns with zero intelligence and absolutely no knowledge of anything, football or otherwise. I wonder if all these Man Utd fans had to put their brains together to come up with this Booker prize winning piece of literature. I'm almost beginning to miss Richest Country and those annoying Lille supporters we had ... hell i'm even almost missing the Fenerbache fans

Tony29, you can't talk about being lucky when you support Juventus. Officially the flukiest team in history along with Man Utd

Originally Posted by hwmook

accused doesn't mean ita true. I accused you of being stupid but is it true? Oh well, it might be true for all i know.

if the accusations weren't true why were you punished? honestly I'm interested in the reasons not just taking the piss.

he didn't change anything, I did

I wanna say something to the ManU fans.
You know, a lot of the Milan fans are also ManU fans or at least the Milan fans like ManU, and I was one of those fans. I was always wondering was ManU is so hated along the others big clubs. Now I already know why you are so hated.
You are too arrogant, you don't pay any respect to your opponents, you think your team is the only one who deserves to win, the only one who is not cheating, etc.
All of you are blind, you wear huge glasses and you're keeping to say that only ManU players are class players, all others are crap, etc.
That's why I think you deserve to learn a lesson. A lesson you didn't learn 2 years ago. I would really LOOOOOVE to see you beaten, cuz that's what will makes you mouths shut up (I hope...) and that's what you deserve.
FORZA MILAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN.

People, Dida is fine, he will be there! WOHO!! We will need some good saves for sure.

Bad news is that Pippo is not ready and we will have to rely on Gila to do the job. He has played well in recent games, lets hope he can finish in the Old Traffond.

We should not let them play with their width, our backline must be discipline to prevent crosses and also diagonal from midfield, I hope Ambro and Rino will play 'cuz they play a central role in shutting down Bayern's attack.

And I hope we play with 2 attacante, van der sar was played at Juve we know him well, our downside is at the goalie but Kalac havent shown what he really is...

And who would watch an all english final anyway...

Whatever Tony says, forget it, it's not true

Originally Posted by p_ps_sock

if the accusations weren't true why were you punished? honestly I'm interested in the reasons not just taking the piss.

Most of the accusations were true, for all the clubs involved.
All this is a very very complicated matter and it will take few posts, maybe 1 whole page to explain everything.

If the punished clubs did the same things in England, or in France i'd be expecting nothing else but Juve to be relegated 2 leagues down, Lazio or Fiorentina to be relegated, Milan to miss CL and relegated also.
But it happened in Italy, and with Calciopolli II ( especially with the silly and amatereush accusations about Udinese-Brescia, Sampdoria-Siena, Juventus-Milan and Lazio-Juventus matches) we've seen that the prosecution can not be trusted because they simply have no clue what are they talking about.

The prosecution couldn't prove a single fixed match, so at the end they found a solution in saying : The whole league was fixed !
If the whole league was fixed then it authomatically leads to : All clubs were fixing their matches !
And according to the man who was in the center of the scandal, together with Moggi, the ref designator Pairetto, every single official from every single club ( and most of them all, Inter's official Faschetti) was calling him and asking him for a "good" ref !

Then, if everyone was calling him and if the whole league was fixed, why only 4 teams originally were punished for that ? And why we got the 5th team involved, Reggina, right after ? And why do we have the 6th team involved, Messina, now ?
Will we get more teams involved in the next wave of Calciopolli ?
And will we at the end find out that really everyone was doing the same thing ?

At the end, we have Guido Rossi.
Former member of Inter board was the man who sentenced Juventus, Milan and the other clubs who weren't Inter's friends and were their main rivals.

There are many more iregularities, but at the end you'll get what i told you before : Everyone was involved and only few were punished.
So, when you're saying Milan shouldn't have played CL, you're right but only if Inter and Roma didn't play CL also.
Because we're talking about dirty Italian league here, the whole league, not just Milan, Juve, Fiorentina, Lazio, Reggina and now Messina !

Thanx Zlat :P

Edit : Oh, and i forgot to say that the prosecution got the evidence directly form Telecom Italia and one of the owners of Telecom is the owner of Inter's main sponsor Pirelli.
You can only imagine how selective they were in picking evidence