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Berlu should leave the FOOTBALL DECISIONS to the FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT and really stick to the financial aspect of the club. How can Berlu decide which player is best for the club..he shouldn't bother hire coaches then. Although I do agree that Toni wasn't the striker for us but that wouldn't be the first time Berlu says that a player isn't right for club. Is Berlu one of our scouts or something?

Originally Posted by zlatanov

Barca still has that debt of several hundred million euros, I believe.

I think a few years back it was like 180 Million and now Laporta has stated that the new debt is only something like 100 Million.

When you look at there aren't many giant teams in Europe who aren't in debt - Milan & Madrid to name a few.

Originally Posted by Mystik

Berlu should leave the FOOTBALL DECISIONS to the FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT and really stick to the financial aspect of the club. How can Berlu decide which player is best for the club..he shouldn't bother hire coaches then. Although I do agree that Toni wasn't the striker for us but that wouldn't be the first time Berlu says that a player isn't right for club. Is Berlu one of our scouts or something?

Berlu has been responsible for bringing some of the best players ever to play in a Milan shirt to Milan...MVB, Sheva, Ronaldo, Rui Costa...Gullit, etc...all came on his direct intervention.

The thing is, IMO Berlu does kno a thing or two about football and players, and because it was:

a) His eye for talent that brought great players,
b) His understanding of the need of state of the art infrastructure to keep players fit and prolong their playing lifespan, that created Milanello,
c) His money,

that made us such a successfull club. over the last 20 years.

I would tend to think that, even if he has made a few mistakes, eg Vieri and Rivaldo, the successes far outweigh these...so, I disagree with you completely. He isnt a coach, but he does have an appreciation and undestanding of what makes a good footballer, and as such, I respect his decisions, even if I dont agree with all of them.

He is one of the few owners that does understand football, and what it takes to make a successful team...

Originally Posted by MedellínBandit®

When you look at there aren't many giant teams in Europe who aren't in debt - Milan & Madrid to name a few.

What do you mean by this ?
Is Inter or Juve in debt ?
I'm seriously asking this. I have no idea how things go.
I know Milan and Inter were in huge minus (especially Inter, with 180m euro minus) a year or two ago but i thought their presidents covered it. I know Juve was always finishing in plus except for this last year when they had ~35m euro minus.
I read many english teams are in debt but i have no idea how do they finish in minus and how do they cover the loses.

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Berlu has been responsible for bringing some of the best players ever to play in a Milan shirt to Milan...MVB, Sheva, Ronaldo, Rui Costa...Gullit, etc...all came on his direct intervention.

The thing is, IMO Berlu does kno a thing or two about football and players, and because it was:

a) His eye for talent that brought great players,
b) His understanding of the need of state of the art infrastructure to keep players fit and prolong their playing lifespan, that created Milanello,
c) His money,

that made us such a successfull club. over the last 20 years.

I would tend to think that, even if he has made a few mistakes, eg Vieri and Rivaldo, the successes far outweigh these...so, I disagree with you completely. He isnt a coach, but he does have an appreciation and undestanding of what makes a good footballer, and as such, I respect his decisions, even if I dont agree with all of them.

He is one of the few owners that does understand football, and what it takes to make a successful team...

He also brought Sacchi to Milan in 1987 after seeing the way Parma played against us.

Salihamidzic is a wheener. Although he's from my country, I have a highly negative opinion of him. Have you ever heard of a player who deliberately goes for hard foul in order to get a red card, so that he wouldn't have to come to the next game of national team? That's the kind of a man he is, and as such, perfect for Juve

EDIT: my previous post, I questioned the 100m Berlu has put aside for Dinho - someone said Berlu himself stated that during last transfer window - possible, if true, I missed that quote

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

He also brought Sacchi to Milan in 1987 after seeing the way Parma played against us.

He also sacked Terim (much to mine and Debs initial dismay) and brought in Carlo, and honestly, in retrospect, (2 UCLs and one scudetto later) I think he made the correct decision.

FORZA BERLU!!

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

He is one of the few owners that does understand football, and what it takes to make a successful team...

Is that a slight jibe at Abromavich??

I read many english teams are in debt but i have no idea how do they finish in minus and how do they cover the loses.

there are different forms of debt.

For example, Utd remain the most profitable club in the world and on paper are usually tens of millions in the black every year. The debt Utd are in is actually that of the owners who borrowed to buy the club. As such the debt isnt Utds and doesnt affect Utds day to day running, the only problem would be if the owners decided to sell and wanted to make some money back and decided to make some money through asset stripping (selling players, maybe even Old Trafford )

I think the other EPL club with a major debt is Arsenal who borrowed millions to fund their new stadium. That debt is balanced out against future season ticket sales, a bit like buying a house and renting it to someone else, their rent pays your mortgage. As Arsenal charge thousands for season tickets (£20k for the most expensive ) and have a huge waiting list they arent in much danger of missing payments

This goes into a bit more detail:

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007505615

Originally Posted by Stitch

Salihamidzic is a wheener. Although he's from my country, I have a highly negative opinion of him. Have you ever heard of a player who deliberately goes for hard foul in order to get a red card, so that he wouldn't have to come to the next game of national team? That's the kind of a man he is, and as such, perfect for Juve

Oh, please. Now he went to Juve and he's suddenly an awful character.
He's nothing Mrki presented to be. Gattuso is a looooooot worst than Brazzo is when we talk about dirty play and fouling ( what he did to Nedved is far worse than what Brazzo was doing in his entire career).
If he wasn't such a proffesional he wouldn't have lasted 9 years in the most disciplined country and team in the world (Germany/Bayern)
As for Bosnian NT....If i'm not wrong he and 11 other players ( 7 stars of the team) don't like to play for the NT because of the Bosnian FA.
And he did refuse to play for Bosnia many times in the past but he's still a legend for your NT. He always had reasons for what he did. Yes, throwing the jersey, refusing to go to Bosnia and play for the NT is smthg that can be described as his sin, but he explained his reasons for that. He has chosen Bayern and he gave everything to Bayern. When he was motivated he gave everything to Bosnia ( remember Denmark). Then he wasn't motivated anymore to play international football but your coaches continued to call him or to train discipline on him. He refused to play for Germany just so he could play for BiH but Balkan people will be Balkan people i guess.

He doesn't want to play for the NT ? Pfff, lets kill Nesta then !
Stop reading "Avaz".... many of you Bosnians form your opinion based on what you read in the papers and you spit on the players who gave you so much

Oh, and as for the red card...
He got it against San Marino after scoring 2 goals. Do you remember how he got it ? He went out of the field with a bloody nose and almost broken jaw. In the first half he got a yellow card and at HT he was begging the coach to take him out because those San Marino amateurs almost killed him. The coach normally refused to do so and Brazzo got mad at this decission.

To sum up : Great and useful player who gives everything for the club !

Originally Posted by Stitch

EDIT: my previous post, I questioned the 100m Berlu has put aside for Dinho - someone said Berlu himself stated that during last transfer window - possible, if true, I missed that quote

"Ho messo da parte 100 milioni di euro per Ronaldinho" ( i've put aside 100m euro for Ronaldinho)

This was a headline of one Gazzetta dello sporet article. I can't find the original article from Gazzetta but you can see it here :
http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx...=282859&PgId=5

Originally Posted by Mystik

Berlu should leave the FOOTBALL DECISIONS to the FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT and really stick to the financial aspect of the club.

I fully disagree with Mystik on that matter. I guess Berlusconi is much more capable than Galliani in every aspect of football management.

Stop reading "Avaz".... many of you Bosnians form your opinion based on what you read in the papers and you spit on the players who gave you so much

nemoj vrijedjat covjeka

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Lazio have sold Foggia to Lazio.

www.gazzetta.it

And also they bought Vieri! He was free.

By the way I retract my statement after irrefutable evidence of Berlu's credibility offered by the great Warro my fellow islander

You know, in footballing terms Ronaldinho is not the ideal player to join us. We need a striker like Sheva (when in his prime). Unfortunately, since he is 31, his arrival would be a step backwards.

Yet we also have to look at the POSSIBLE transfer of Dinho with a shade of cynicism. Football nowadays is a completely different beast to what it was in the 80s or even the mid 90s. Back then, TV deals weren’t such a significant source of revenue, and merchandising was of peripheral importance. Now, however, for better or for worse, mainly for the worse IMO, football is also about how well you market yourselves as a club.

Gazzetta dello Sport claims that Kaka’s contract renewal will also have a feature that will see Milan “invest in his image as a leader”. When I read that, I was kind of bewildered as to what exactly that entails. Yet a little more thought illuminates the sentence perfectly: Kaka will be the face of Milan. Capello touched on this when he said that “Maldini was the beautiful face of Milan, and now that function belongs to Kaka.”

With the new TV deal set to come into effect in 2010, the bigger Serie A clubs will have to think of ways to expand their revenue portfolio (I’ve touched on this before, and I mean beyond patrons backing them with their cash). No longer can the likes of Milan, Juventus or Inter expect to greedily monopolize on TV rights (which account for 60% of their revenues; compare this to English clubs where it is 30% of their revenues) and ignore elementary revenue sources such as shirt sales etc. That is not to say that they haven’t been exploring those avenues, but they will have to focus on it a bit more than they have.

Ronaldinho would represent a cash cow and then some. And let’s not forget he can play a little as well. Not for nothing did Galliani want Beckham to come to Milan. Surely, a one-footed, past-his-best player would be a dubious move in footballing terms, but in commercial terms it would be undeniably astute.

We can all debate the vexed topic of the morality of such decisions, but it is what it is.


My two cents.