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Old 07-08-2007, 08:50   #8161

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actually, the rumour appeared first on TuttoSport, which isn't exactly the most trusted source out there but still better than tribal (although it's questionable how much better ):
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=50696

Lyon seem to be unwilling to sell Kallstrom, though given that they already sold Tiago and Alou Diarra.
With the French League already under way, I doubt they would be willing to part with Kallastrom (btw, he is 27 yo) this year.
Wow I'm surprised i thought he was 22-23 something like that btw just fined out his birthday and mine are same day 24 August so he can't be bad

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Old 07-08-2007, 09:56   #8162

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im back from m vacation , can anyone tell me did we signed anyone ( pato not included XD )

can pato play for us in this season ?
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Old 07-08-2007, 10:20   #8163

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Corriere dello Sport -> MIlan will get Barzagli ( 26 yrs old ) for defense, Motta ( 24 yrs old ) for midfield & JUlio Baptista ( 25 yrs old ) ......................... EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!
Here are the 3 articles. I'll give them in Italian and translate them shortly

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Se la fase di rieducazio*ne e di preparazione non avrà intoppi, Paolo Maldini tornerà a giocare all’inizio di ottobre. Giu*sto in tempo per scaldar*si in vista del Mondiale per club. Oggi la difesa del Milan, a differenza di quella dell’Inter, ha quat*tro titolari certi e quat*tro riserve sicure. E la differenza è davvero ec*cessiva. Do*menica, a Mosca, An*celotti ha schierato quest’ultime tutte insieme ed è stato un disastro (come lo stes*so tecnico, usando toni diversi, ha sottolineato a fine partita) con errori sparsi di Simic, di Bone*ra e di Favalli.
Nesta e Kaladze sono due ottimi centrali, di grande affidabilità tecni*ca ma non fisica. Nesta ha appena annunciato l’addio alla Nazionale portando come giusta causa la necessità di far respirare il fisico: sei operazioni e altri vari in*fortuni lasciano il segno in un giocatore di 31 an*ni. E anche Kaladze, l’an*no scorso, si è fermato a lungo. Che altro può in*ventarsi Ancelotti in ca*so di nuovi ma non inedi*ti infortuni? Ambrosini difensore centrale? Può essere un’idea ( una di quelle che hanno con*traddistinto il cammino milanista di Carletto), ma la ne*cessità di un difensore come Barzagli è eviden*te. O in alternativa Zac*cardo. Chivu, che avreb*be aggiunto molto di più al Milan che all’Inter, era sul mercato, ora occorre comunque un difensore che abbia buona espe*rienza e che possa sosti*tuire senza problemi Ne*sta o Kaladze. Siamo sempre lì: 60 partite sono così tante che servono rincalzi anche se non di primissimo livello.


According to the author Milan has problems in defense. Compared to Inter, who have 4 starters and 4 equally good bench defenders, Ancelotti doesn't have that choice. Maldini is out until October and Milan's defense in Moscow was a disaster, especially Simic, Bonera and Favalli.
Nesta and Kaladze are great center defenders but they are great technically, not physically and they get easily injured.
In this case Ancelotti can come out with the idea of Ambrosini playing a CD but it's big risk and that's why Milan evidently needs new CD.
Such defender is Andrea Barzagli, or if not him, then Zaccardo.

So, nothing about Barzagli to Milan. Only the author of this article thinks Barzagli will be a good choice.

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Thiago Motta

Una delle ultime volte che Galliani ha parlato del mercato del Milan è stato per dire che nell’anno della cessione di Shevchen*ko e dell’arrivo di Oliveira (con tutto il rispetto per un acquisto sbandierato come grande colpo esattamente un anno fa e presto naufra*gato), il Mi*lan ha vinto la Cham*pions Lea*gue. Sarebbe meglio, pe*rò, non di*menticare che quella sera ad Ate*ne i cinque acquisti del*l’estate rossonera erano sparsi fra panchina (Faval*li e Brocchi) e tribuna (Gourcuff, Oliveira e Bone*ra). E sarebbe ancora più utile ricordarsi che la svol*ta è nata da un’idea di An*celotti: fuori una punta, dentro Ambrosini. Certo, l’allenatore viene stipen*diato ( e lautamente) per trovare soluzioni, ma senza sentirsi Mancini, Schuster o Rijkaard, avrebbe biso*gno pure lui di un minimo di assistenza.

Se, come pare (e come in*dicano le condizioni fisiche dei tre attaccanti), il Milan giocherà con una punta e due trequartisti, uno di questi due ( cioè Seedorf) non va più considerato cen*trocampista. E dunque il reparto conta su tre titola*ri, Gattuso, Pirlo e Ambro*sini, più Brocchi e Gourcuff che continua a mostrarsi inespressivo nonostante il battage pro*mozionale di questa e del*la scorsa stagione. Il Milan giocherà una sessantina di partite ed è difficile crede*re che possa rinunciare a un rinforzo a centrocampo, a uno come Motta (ma c’è la concorrenza della Juve) e come Emerson (inseguito anche dall’Inter). Il primo rescinderà il contratto col Barcellona, il secondo ver*rà sicuramente ceduto. At*tenzione anche ai francesi come Bodmer del Lilla, Makelele, in rotta col Chel*sea e Mavuba.


The last time Galliani has spoken about mercato , he said that even when Shevchenko left, with the arival of new players Milan still won the CL. But he forgot to mention that in Athens all the newcomers were either sitting on the bench (Favalli, Brocchi) or in the stands (Gourcuff, Oliveira, Bonera).

As it looks, Milan will play with one attacker and two trequartisti (Kaka and Seedorf). The others in midfeild will be Gattuso, Pirlo and Ambrossini while on the bench Milan has only Brocchi and Gourcuff.
It's more than clear that Milan needs another midfielder and this is where Motta's name comes out.
Not only Motta, but even Emerson, Bodmer, Makelele and Mavuba are among the players that may end up in Milan.

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Julio Baptista

Le prime due amichevoli internazionali le ha gio*cate Willy Aubameyang, vent’anni, parigino, figlio d’arte ed ex attaccante del*la Primavera. Giudizio: troppo tenero per certe di*fese. Crescerà, ma ancora è lontanissimo dal Milan. Ronaldo, Inzaghi e Gilardi*no erano ac*ciaccati e per l’ami*chevole di Siviglia re*cupererà so*lo l’ultimo dei tre. Se*condo Ance*lotti, è un’emergenza da niente, insignificante. Ma su Pip*po, lo stesso tecnico ha det*to che dovrà pensare più alla qualità di certe partite che alla quantità (e infatti l’obiettivo è di averlo tito*lare in Supercoppa), men*tre sulla resistenza all’ec*cessiva usura di Ronaldo c’è sempre qualche dub*bio, più o meno corposo. Quanto a Gilardino, ha an*cora qualcosa da dimostra*re in campo internaziona*le.
Ancelotti inserisce anche Pato fra gli attaccanti, ma quando sarà disponibile (a gennaio), ammesso che un ragazzo di 18 anni possa partire alla pari degli altri, il Milan avrà già giocato la Supercoppa Europea, il Mondiale per club, quasi tutto il girone d’andata del campionato e il girone ini*ziale di Champions League, vale a dire due obiettivi de*finitivi e due parziali. In Russia, Ka*kà e Seedorf hanno gioca*to da centravanti due pez*zetti delle due gare e per evitare che ciò possa ripe*tersi c’è assoluto bisogno di un altro attaccante. Per questo Julio Baptista re*sterà un obiettivo del Mi*lan fino al 31 agosto. La speranza è che il Real prenda Ballack e soprat*tutto Robben e a quel pun*to il brasiliano rientra sul mercato. L’accordo col Mi*lan sarebbe più facile da raggiungere. In alternativa Quagliarella o Di Natale


Even though the main 3 attackers are now injured and Willy didn't prove he's Milan material, according to Ancelotti there are no problems and no need to panic.
The author of this text is repeating what MM members said thousands of times. Pippo is old and injury prone, Ronaldo is another injury prone player, with Gilardino you never know and Pato is only 17/18.
That's why the author thinks Milan must buy another attacker and Julio Baptista is the one closest to Milan.
If not Baptista then maybe Quagliarela or Di Natale.
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Old 07-08-2007, 10:25   #8164

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Bonera won plaudits for his performances...weird that the author thinks that.
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Old 07-08-2007, 11:25   #8165

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Any articles other then the one I saw on tribal on Ronaldinho?

And I like that round up of players, Motta Baptista Barzagli covers every area except for GK where we lack
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Old 07-08-2007, 11:28   #8166

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Milan tra Kallstroem e Motta
Lo svedese è la nuova idea


di Palladini - Pellegatti

Un centrocampista arriverà sicuro. Al di là delle smentite (fiacche) e dei sogni (Ronaldinho), il Milan deve regalare un rinforzo in mezzo ad Ancelotti. E allora ecco che ci si trova a un bivio. Da una parte c'è Thiago Motta che piace molto a Galliani. Il Barcellona chiede 5 milioni, ma come nel caso di Giuly è pronto a scendere di molto, se non addirittura a regalare il brasiliano con passaporto italiano. Motta è un jolly di centrocampo e questo è il suo grande vantaggio. I due problemi in questo momento per arrivare al giocatore sono la scarsa voglia del Barça di darlo via gratis e l'inserimento dell'Inter nella trattativa: visto che Emerson sta per essere abbandonato, Motta potrebbe rappresentare una validissima alternativa. Soprattutto se a basso costo.

Ma negli ultimi tempi in casa rossonera si è acceso l'entusiasmo per il centrocampista svedese Kim Kallstroem del Lione. Con le dovurte proporzioni, potrebbe essere l'alternativa a Seedorf nel centrocampo rossonero. Kallstroem sembrava a un passo dal Valencia in uno scambio con Morientes, che poi però si è arenato. Adesso il Lione sembra intenzionato a vendere il suo giocatore ma vuole almeno 10 milioni di euro. Il Milan a sua volta si è autoconvinto che non può spendere meno di 8-10 milioni per avere un giocatore di alto livello. Sembra invece completamente tramontata la trattativa per il brasiliano Julio Baptista. Il Real Madrid ha ritentato la notte scorsa di riaprire tutto, ma il Milan non è più disposto nemmeno a riproporre l'offerta di qualche tempo fa, vale a dire 2 milioni di prestito più 12 di riscatto.
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If nobone is available to translate it, I'll do it in withen half an hour.
Sorry cannot do it now.

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Old 07-08-2007, 12:14   #8167

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babel fish translation:

Milan between Kallstroem and Motta the Swede is the new idea of Palladini - Pellegatti A centrocampista will arrive sure. To here of the refutation (weak) and the dreams (Ronaldinho), the Milan must give reinforces in means to Ancelotti. And then here that it is found to us to a crossroad. From a part there is Thiago Motta that it appeals to to Galliani very. Barcelona asks 5 million, but as in the case of Giuly it is ready to come down a lot, if not quite to give the Brazilian with Italian passport. Motta is a jolly of centrocampo and this is its great advantage. The two problems in this moment in order to arrive to the player are the insufficient one want of the Barça to gratis give it via and the insertion of the Inter in the negotiation: inasmuch as Emerson is in order to be abandoned, Motta could represent one most valid alternative. Above all if to low cost. But recently in rossonera house the enthusiasm for the Swedish centrocampista Kim Kallstroem of the Lione has been ignited. With dovurte the proportions, it could be the alternative to Seedorf in the centrocampo rossonero. Kallstroem seemed to a step from the Valencia in an exchange with Morientes, than then but it has run aground. Now the Lione seems intenzionato to sell its player but it wants at least 10 million euro. The Milan in its turn is autoconvinto that it cannot spend less than 8-10 million for having a player of high level. It seems completely tramontata the negotiation for the Brazilian Julio Baptista instead. The Real Madrid has tried again the past night to reopen all, but the Milan more is not arranged riproporre the offer of some time makes, is worth to say 2 million loan more 12 than I redeem. tgcom
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Originally Posted by zlatanov
actually, the rumour appeared first on TuttoSport, which isn't exactly the most trusted source out there but still better than tribal (although it's questionable how much better ):
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=50696

Lyon seem to be unwilling to sell Kallstrom, though given that they already sold Tiago and Alou Diarra.
With the French League already under way, I doubt they would be willing to part with Kallastrom (btw, he is 27 yo) this year.
Källström is born on August 24 1982, so he'll be 25 soon.
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Källström is born on August 24 1982, so he'll be 25 soon.
some sources give his year of birth to be 1982 but some - 1980, like Lyon's official site:
http://www.olympiquelyonnais.com/
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Looks like Vogel has been frozen out of the Betis squad. Does anyone here think Milan will make a cheeky bid for him?

We play Betis in 2 days.
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Old 07-08-2007, 15:07   #8171

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some sources give his year of birth to be 1982 but some - 1980, like Lyon's official site:
http://www.olympiquelyonnais.com/
It's a bit strange that, but I do believe he's 24 (soon to be 25) and am pretty sure the Lyon site has it wrong.

Anyway, Kallstrom would be a very interesting purchase. He could add a lot to the squad and he played for Rennes before Lyon (and with Gourcuff was one of the key players).

About the report from Gazzetta, I doubt there's a great deal of truth in it. I get the impression the mercato isn't over, but I don't think the management would have been too upset over the Moscow cup showing, and the part about Gourcuff just seems to be made up imo.
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Old 07-08-2007, 16:16   #8172

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On Sunday i watched AEK - Livorno 1-3, today i saw PAOK - Livorno 1-1, we played well in the first half (1-0) then we change our defenders just why we equalized. For some players, starting from Tavano in the first game he wasn't good, in the second the GK of PAOK stop him in a face to face chanse but he has some qualifications, he is quick and he is into the chances, Pasquale would be a very good solution for our problem in our LB solution. Amelia has the qualities but he needs to get improoved and as i have said in the past would be ideal to have bought him to play behind Dida and to replace him in one to two years. The players of Livorno and Amelia are usually so irritating? because in two friendlies they were a lot without any particular reason.
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Here are the 3 articles. I'll give them in Italian and translate them shortly

According to the author Milan has problems in defense. Compared to Inter, who have 4 starters and 4 equally good bench defenders, Ancelotti doesn't have that choice. Maldini is out until October and Milan's defense in Moscow was a disaster, especially Simic, Bonera and Favalli.
Nesta and Kaladze are great center defenders but they are great technically, not physically and they get easily injured.
In this case Ancelotti can come out with the idea of Ambrosini playing a CD but it's big risk and that's why Milan evidently needs new CD.
Such defender is Andrea Barzagli, or if not him, then Zaccardo.

So, nothing about Barzagli to Milan. Only the author of this article thinks Barzagli will be a good choice.

strange point of view. i think central defense is the department where we are best covered.

kaladze - nesta
maldini - bonera
+ simic, digao and in real emergencies favalli and ambrosini.

in no other position we could compensate a long injury better. i also don't think that barzagli would be a great solution for us as he is imho not better than bonera and can only play in one position which is central defense. this means that kaladze, bonera and simic would have to play on the sides which is not that great.

i do however agree with the other article that we need one more midfielder. motta would be fine with me.

on the striker issue i'm a bit unsure. which quality striker will come knowing that from january onwards everybody wants to see what pato can do? i'm against buying just for the sake of it. borriello would have been quite handy till winter or maybe we could have kept pozzi till the winter break and only loan him to empoli for half a season.

if we get one more midfielder than we probably don't really need that striker as we can play one lone striker up front with kaka and seedorf behind. we saw that this works quite fine.
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strange point of view.......
These articles come from Corriere.

I read corriere almost every day, but frankly it's mostly for improving my Italian.
I like them for not being biased towards the big trio and i also like them for not being anti-Milan/Inter/Juve .
But i have a feeling that Zlatanov and few others from here would do a much better job if they are given the chance to replace those journalists from Corriere dello sport.
As you can see from the article above, they do seem like they don't know the teams perfectly, like a fan does, and they sometimes have 100% different view than the fans about what Milan/Inter/Juve need.
I've seen many better posts about what Milan needs, here on MM, written by amateurs, than this article written by a professional journalist.

They try a lot and they are neutral but they lack quality.
So, it's up to you guys how serious will you take an article from Corriere
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http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=46&a=50783

top 10 rising stars of the future :
where`s Pato ??????????????????????
I only know Banega, Adu, Renato Augusto & Drenthe . . . please tell me about the others !
where`s Pato ??????????????????????
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