Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by King tiger

so you support milan just coz of kaka ?

that's a silly question, i'm not suporting milan only for kaka, i'm a milan fan since 1988, i couldn't imagine milan without gullit and mvb but it hapened , life go's on , all i'm sayn' is that if kaka leave us, all that talk 'bout milan been a big family and all is just a bunch of bulls..., just comercial crap, and futball is just money so... no futball for me then.

Originally Posted by atreides602

that's a silly question, i'm not suporting milan only for kaka, i'm a milan fan since 1988, i couldn't imagine milan without gullit and mvb but it hapened , life go's on , all i'm sayn' is that if kaka leave us, all that talk 'bout milan been a big family and all is just a bunch of bulls..., just comercial crap, and futball is just money so... no futball for me then.

hmm but i think that leting player go when he wants that is ok, unhappy player = family problems

From now we had 10 days left for summer transfers. Lets see if our managment will do something in those 10 days.

Even if they buy 1 player that will not be enough.

I believe Silvio and Laporta were joking, and that the swap talk was back in 2006. Additionally, I believe it was something like they'd alternate between Milan and Barca every year

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

If you were to pick a world 11, how many of our players would honestly get into it? True, it's formation dependent. But still, even then you're talking 3 or 4 maximum (Pirlo, Gattuso, Kaka, Nesta), so i don't see us having lots of the world's best in our side. Now i'm not saying the only players we should have for our side are the ones in a world 11 or anything. What i'm saying is that there are plenty of places in our side that could be taken by someone.

Serginho, someone who none of us know if he can hack it now. Favalli, solid but not consistent in either attack or defence. Same for Jankulovski. Maldini can't even play CB more than a few games in a row so he has no chance of being LB. Kaladze? Well he's an option but lets be serious, if Abidal really wanted us he'd be ahead of all these players because he's a better player.

These views are just what you get from reading the threads after matches, so i'm not the only one who thinks this.

Have we trusted Gorcuff with it? He hardly ever played last season, what's to say this season will be any different? Just because 'they' say they don't want to limit his chances by getting other midfielders doesn't mean it's the truth does it.

Again, if we got someone like Lucho Gonzales for the LM alongside Pirlo & Gattuso, he'd go straight ahead of Serginho or Jankulovski. Players like these guys are now just utility players, they're there as options not as first choice. Plus Gourcuff would still be on the bench and be able to play alot of games, it's not like he'd be scrapped if we got a decent midfielder is it.

As for strikers, if we bought a decent striker they'd go straight into the team along side Ronaldo. Gilardino still seems a bit out of place and Inzaghi is now more of an impact striker, playing only a few games in a row. Kaka is/was only playing further up field as we didn't have other options. Had we had another striker (and who was in form more importantly), he'd have stayed in his usual position.

I just see our squad as very utility based, which has its merits of course but sometimes trying fit a square peg into a round hole just doesn't work.

About the World's best, we could argue 5-6 (Considering Seedorf's form, which Zidane rated very highly a few months ago and Ronaldo, who was back with a bang last season). In all honesty, compared to almost every big side out there, we have more talent in our first team.

In LB I agree we can improve, but even Abidal would still face competition from Janku mainly and the others are always there to play the position too (Maldini can play if absoloutely necessary). Abidal imo isn't as good as people make him out to be, and I believe Milan management felt the same, so didn't push as hard as possible for him. Defensively, he's more solid than Janku, but his offensive contribution isn't as good.

I don't see why management would lie about giving Gourcuff chances. I mean I don't buy they won't buy a defensive midfielder to give him a chance (makes no sense as he's a different player), but I took last season as the probation year for Gourcuff to show he is capable in Italy and can fit into Milan. This season I expect he'll be given more chances, because it's now the time for him to prove that he has an important role in Milan in the future. He's shown raw talent, now he has to show more.

I also don't see why we'd want Lucho Gonzales in LM. From what I've seen of him, the role isn't too well suited to him (he's better central) and really, he'd still be a squad player, alternating with Ambro who has made that position his and rightly so (a role which Seedorf and Gourcuff can both play).

I honestly trust our strikeforce to deliver. I wouldn't be against another purchase, but potentially I think we have the best in the world, it's a case of getting the best out of what we have.

I think our quality more than anything comes from not just the technical ability of the players, but also the unity and especially the close knit group. Each player knows those around him almost flawlessly, knowing exactly how to play with them. I think we've seen in preseason a lot of potential and a well oiled machine, despite the squad clearly not being ready yet. If I'm quite blunt, I think our signings are often much more intelligent than given credit for.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

I guess we'll just agree to disagree

Agreed

I'd take Ronaldinho over Kaka' any day, but that's probably only because he's my favorite player, and half of my fave players have some type of specialties -- ronaldinho has it all, a true complete player, love him, hopefully we get him, but not by selling kaka..

Originally Posted by Kaka--7thUCL

I'd take Ronaldinho over Kaka' any day

Originally Posted by Kaka--7thUCL

I'd take Ronaldinho over Kaka' any day, but that's probably only because he's my favorite player, and half of my fave players have some type of specialties -- ronaldinho has it all, a true complete player, love him, hopefully we get him, but not by selling kaka..

Because you're easily deceived by step overs and fancy flicks but don't feel bad, about half the world has also succumb to it.

Okay guys, let's stop with the "knee-jerk" responses to the Kaka is leaving Milan rumours. I think it is pretty obvious that he is NOT leaving us, at least for this year. I dont think Silvio could have made it any clearer. As for the newspaper stories, they will just continue, but that doesnt mean there is any truth to it. I guarantee you, if Kaka has a bad game, or a disagreement with Ancelotti about something, the rumours will resurface. Similar with R10, each time he has a subpar performance or misses a training session the headline would read "Ronaldinho to Milan", but in the end of the day, I think it's plain obvious that he's not leaving Barca, at least for this year...

All Im worried about now is whether we will get a fourth striker. If there was a year when we need a fourth striker, it would have to be this year. I dont think injury-prone Pippo or Ronaldo will last the season, and with Gila, there are still questions about his performances in decisive games. We ought to have kept RO or at least held on to Boriello...

I think it's time we add some fresh elements on our aged defence lineups. I mean some big one in the making;some future stars who can mature in the current system. just like we did with gorky in MD and pato in front.I suggest we should begin with LB.janku was a MD,got some flaws as a LB, the other two are pushing their 40s. how about juv's chiellini ,he is having some problems with the club right now ,they may put him on the market. or marseille's taiwo, this guy really impress me a lot. very strong phasically and mentally also; good skills,;may have flaws tactically,as lots of african defenders may have, but that's the beauty part, to make him tactic-wise with our wellkown veterans.

Originally Posted by Kaka--7thUCL

a true complete player

I beg to differ ... "RELATIVELY SPEAKING", the guy lacks discipline & more selfish, Kaka has both of these qualities in abundance...
Though in terms of talent I see what you mean, one cannot be a complete player with tricks and juggling only... As Cantona said, "You can play violin like a virtuoso, or you can sing like a canary, but you can only make beautiful music if you know how to play in an orchestra"... And that, as far as I'm concerned, is the area where Kaka trumps Ronaldinho...
Would I like to see R10 in Milan?? Definitely... That would certainly make our midfield/offensive line look formidable but I wouldn't take him over Kaka, as he is less of a team player than Ricky is.

[quote]I beg to differ ... "RELATIVELY SPEAKING", the guy lacks discipline & more selfish, Kaka has both of these qualities in abundance...
Though in terms of talent I see what you mean, one cannot be a complete player with tricks and juggling only... As Cantona said, "You can play violin like a virtuoso, or you can sing like a canary, but you can only make beautiful music if you know how to play in an orchestra"... And that, as far as I'm concerned, is the area where Kaka trumps Ronaldinho...
Would I like to see R10 in Milan?? Definitely... That would certainly make our midfield/offensive line look formidable but I wouldn't take him over Kaka, as he is less of a team player than Ricky is.

I think R10 is equal a teamplayer as ricky. they are just different type of leaders the team is built on.
With his fast pace, ricky is more of a threat on the open court.R10 will be more dangerous when the formation is tight and there is less space.
I think the coach is building the current team in a ricky mode.three DM two OM, and ballcontrolling tactics means space upfront.R10 will be a second violin in this formation.

i was just looking highlight of first portugese round and now i want quaresma even more - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvxFuI3CUkM
Ribery showed why we could find ourselves missing him very much too - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isJaia7iid8

Originally Posted by will4li

I think R10 is equal a teamplayer as ricky. they are just different type of leaders the team is built on.
With his fast pace, ricky is more of a threat on the open court.R10 will be more dangerous when the formation is tight and there is less space.
I think the coach is building the current team in a ricky mode.three DM two OM, and ballcontrolling tactics means space upfront.R10 will be a second violin in this formation.

You cannot dispute that Ronaldinho likes to play with the ball a lot more than Ricky does though, can you? Other than that you are making a fair point...In my defence, though, I never said he was completely selfish and not a team player at all...I just pointed out that in comparison to him, Kaka has better teamworking ability