Winter Mercato

Gazzetta is reporting that Abramovic offered 75 mln to Barca for Ronaldinho
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Estero...naldinho.shtml

If someone is wiling to translate the whole thing I would appreciate it.

Anyway, it would be simply horrible to see Ronaldinho move to such a small club like Chelsea, I would like it more if he stayed in Barca untill the end. Like him or not, he is already a legend of some kind and if he moves he should only move to a great club like Liverpool, United, and the greatest - Milan.

Im sure that Galliani would take Adriano any day, but Im also sure that Moratti will not sell him to Milan for any money. Im also sure that Adriano would be back to his old ways in Milan very soon as he is a brilliant player. Just remember what he was doing 2 or 3 years ago, kicking ass thats what!!!!

My only regret, about a player we could have for sure, is Criscito. That is exactly a player we could use this year and in the future. A young and extrmly prospective CD and a LB. He wouldnt be a starter, but Maldini is off next year and things would open up from him. Sorry to see him at Juve. I dont care about Nocerino.

Originally Posted by mrki

Gazzetta is reporting that Abramovic offered 75 mln to Barca for Ronaldinho
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Estero...naldinho.shtml

If someone is wiling to translate the whole thing I would appreciate it.

Basically saying that Abramovich is reportedly willing to invest 100 mil BP (~150 mil euros) in Dinho - 50 mil would go to Barca, while the other 50 mil to Dinho for a a 5 year deal worth 10 milBP/year - after he had two encouraging meetings with Dinho's brother/agent.

Chelsea repprtedly believe that Barca will be tempted to sell Dinho now and it won't take paying his buy-out clause to get him as that clause is there to be applied if another Spanish team wants him (to avoid another Figo debacle).
According to Daily Mail, there is an intention inside Barca one of the Fantastic 4 to be sold and given that Messi is untouchable, henry just arrived at Barca, and Etoo is Laporta's favourite, the one to be sacrificed would have to be Dinho.
Kenyon is expected to make an official offer when he and Laporta go to a UEFA meeting in Monaco, presumably this week, while the mercato is still open.

Anyway, it would be simply horrible to see Ronaldinho move to such a small club like Chelsea, I would like it more if he stayed in Barca untill the end. Like him or not, he is already a legend of some kind and if he moves he should only move to a great club like Liverpool, United, and the greatest - Milan.

Dinho in england will be a disaster with a capital D, especially in a disfunctional from a tactical and technical point of view club like Chelski ... best choice for him would be a team where he can express himself and doesn't have to play LB in Mourinho's "special" tactics.
I personally couldn't care less if he moves to CHelski as that would do good to Milan in two ways - will not improve Chelski (unless they change Mourinho with a more progressively thinking coach) in any way and will weaken Barca (maybe, 'cuase who knows what Dos Santos and Krkic will do once given more space)

I had started to warm up to the idea of Silvio splashing a lavish 50-60 mil (100 with salary over 5 years) - mostly because I didn't have a choice really - but if we'll have to take part in an auction organized by that sleazy Little-Richard-wanna-be (Dinho's brother) and end up having to dish out 150+ mil for one player, thanks but no thanks.

Im sure that Galliani would take Adriano any day, but Im also sure that Moratti will not sell him to Milan for any money. Im also sure that Adriano would be back to his old ways in Milan very soon as he is a brilliant player. Just remember what he was doing 2 or 3 years ago, kicking ass thats what!!!!

not sure what's this hype about Adriano - the guy is so one-dimensional that it squeezes my head just thinking about it. He would be fine against smaller clubs with crappy defenses where his bullish style might have it's way but vs the good clubs, where the best defenders play, those guys will eat all those 100 kgs of his in one sitting by merely staying on his left and preventing him from doing the one thing he knows in football - shoot with his left leg as soon as he gets the ball

Personally, I am very happy that he plays for Inter so that Milan don't have a chance in hell of getting him

My only regret, about a player we could have for sure, is Criscito. That is exactly a player we could use this year and in the future. A young and extrmly prospective CD and a LB. He wouldnt be a starter, but Maldini is off next year and things would open up from him. Sorry to see him at Juve. I dont care about Nocerino.

I have big doubts as to whether Criscito will ever be the type of player he is foreseen to become one day - 15 mil for just a talanted player who in prospect might turn out to be something special but might also not, was always going to be a stumbling block for Milan ... and if I am not msitaken, Juve owned half of him from the start and they only had to buy out his other half from genoa, so not much for Milan to do there.

if you want a young defender who IMO is already one of the best in Italy, could only get better, and who knows, may well already be better than Criscito will ever be, I'd look at Zapata from Udinese and no further ... even now he would be cheaper (10-12 mil) than Criscito was before he had played 1 single game in Serie A.

Abramovitch is starting to remind me or Moratti...its like they sit in their office/yacht/helicopter/jet and say: "Hmmmm...who does Milan want to add to their team...? Ah, Ronaldinho...lets make a bid for him then..he must be good if Milan want him".

That being said, R10 is a world class talent, and who wouldnt want him for their team? I think though, that were R10 to leave, as Berlu states, we should be in pole position for him, and I continue to believe that we will get him, if/when he leaves Barca, which, based on the talent they seem capable of unearthing, should be sooner rather than later.

In truth, I do agree with Zlat, in that if R10 were to leave for Chelski, then he will suffer, not only from the greater level of physicallity in the EPL, but also from Jose´s predeliction for only playing "his" way...and putting R10 everywhere but where he is most effective, ie supporting the striker(s).

There is no hiding it though, if he does in deed go to Chelski, then it would be a severe blow to Berlu, Milan, and Italy....but who knows, maybe it would cause the FIGC and the Italian Govt to re-examine how they treat with player wages/taxes....what? Eh? Oh.

I simply can't imagine Ronaldinho in the blue jersey. I can imagine Chelsea buying him, but i just can't imagine him wearing their jersey.
Maybe it's because of all those photoshoped pictures you guys made where Dinho wears red&black, so i can now only imagine him going to Milan if he leaves Barca

@Mrki :
Criscito is a leftover from Moggi's genous and his highly suspicious actings in the market, where GEA was also involved.
If you remember, some 2-3 years ago, there was an accusation that Juve and Milan "own" half of serie A teams.
This was one of the ways how to own another serie A team.
Juve owned or co-owned some 20% of all the young players in serie A and B and then we loaned them to the Sienas, Empolis, Udineses, Genoas and the likes. And when 4 or 5 of your players play in Siena, it's suspicious by default when you see how easily Juve beats Siena. People were looking at the refs when instead they should have looked at these things.
Criscito, together with Chiellini and Nocerino from the current team, are such leftovers from Moggi's time. He bought them and then co-owned them. Hundreds of them would have been total flops, but some of them were making it.
Like Zlat told you, not only that Criscito is a risk and he may never be great or even good enough, but he was already co-owned by Juve and Genoa.
Still, Juve payed 7.5m euro for half of Criscito (5m+2 players). Milan were in hard position to get him.

But still, if someone remembers, back in January Galliani was interested in Criscito and there were reports that Criscito wouldn't have objected to play for Milan. I remember because when i told you this, Zlat replied with : "This is the first time i hear about Criscito, but it's always nice to hear that Juve youngsters want to play for Milan".
Right after Juve found out about Milan's interest in Genoa's half of the player, Juve payed unbelievable 7.5m euro for the other half of an unproven, 19yo defender.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Right after Juve found out about Milan's interest in Genoa's half of the player, Juve payed unbelievable 7.5m euro for the other half of an unproven, 19yo defender.

Good to hear rivals are so scared of Milan buying the next big thing. Chelsea and inter are 2 bitches that just always go after the same player that Milan want so juve want to join them now.

Originally Posted by hwmook

Good to hear rivals are so scared of Milan buying the next big thing. Chelsea and inter are 2 bitches that just always go after the same player that Milan want so juve want to join them now.

Could be, but i really doubt Chelsea are after Ronaldinho because Milan are interested in him.

And we are all wrong if we think that Juve or Milan, even Inter, are going after some players only because their rivals were after him.
In Juventuz.com there are tons of accusations at Milan or Inter because of similar things. In the papers there is some rumor that Juve are interested in some player and then after few days another rumor will come out about Milan or Inter being interested in the same player.
Go try and explain to the guys in Juventuz that it's not true that Milan and Inter are going after that player only because of Juve's interest.

You guys here are doing the same thing and i wouldn't be surprised if members of forza-inter are doing the same.

Yes, sometimes Milan will be the first ones to spot a player, sometimes Inter , sometimes Juve. But if that player is good then the other scouts will see that and all 3 teams will go after this player.

In Criscito's case.... i believe Juve were the ones who spotted him first and only then Milan went after him

Originally Posted by hwmook

Good to hear rivals are so scared of Milan buying the next big thing. Chelsea and inter are 2 bitches that just always go after the same player that Milan want so juve want to join them now.

I have no doubt that Inter probbaly have a whole office of emloyees whose only job is to track down transfer rumours associated with Milan so that Inter's "brain department" consisting of Moratti and Branca can figure out their transfer targets for next season

As for Juve, this is a club being run is a completely different way than Inter - with thought and actual strategy for the future - and not counting the Moggi years of dubious game-deciding "incidents", I actually have respect for them

Regarding Chelski, I doubt they chase Milan players ... they are more like super-star collectors, who would go after every hyped and over-hyped player out there, which in itself makes it inevitable that their interests cross with Milan's once in a while for this and that player (kaka, Pato, Sheva, Nesta etc) ... this interest of theirs in Dinho, is no different, IMO - just a last gasp attaempt by free-spending Roman to give some esthetic appeal to his team after they continue to be hands down the most boring team in the CL, despite JM's pledge that they will start playing beautiful football from now on.

Little off topic, but since i already started talking about it :

Look at these 8 players from Empoli :
Sebastian Giovinco - on loan from JUVENTUS
Claudio Marchisio - on loan from JUVENTUS
Felice Piccolo - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Rey Volpato - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Lino Marzoratti - co-owned with MILAN
Ignazio Abate - co-owned with MILAN
Luca Antonini - co-owned with MILAN
Nicola Pozzi - co-owned with MILAN

And then we object when someone says that Juve and Milan "own" half of serie A teams

I have a feeling something is going to happen over the next two days....if you look at it, the transfer market will be closing for Milan in about 48 hours, i wouldn't think we would make a move the day of the Super Cup (I could be wrong).

We made a lot of money from the Champions' League this year, there has to be something big brewing... If not, that's a big disappointment to the 40,000+ season ticket holders that the team has been plastering on the website every week....

Antonio Puerta Pérez (November 23, 1984 - August 28, 2007)

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Lino Marzoratti - co-owned with MILAN
Ignazio Abate - co-owned with MILAN
Luca Antonini - co-owned with MILAN
Nicola Pozzi - co-owned with MILAN

I thought at least 1 of those players was owned completely by us and not co-owned. That's disappointing

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Little off topic, but since i already started talking about it :

Look at these 8 players from Empoli :
Sebastian Giovinco - on loan from JUVENTUS
Claudio Marchisio - on loan from JUVENTUS
Felice Piccolo - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Rey Volpato - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Lino Marzoratti - co-owned with MILAN
Ignazio Abate - co-owned with MILAN
Luca Antonini - co-owned with MILAN
Nicola Pozzi - co-owned with MILAN

And then we object when someone says that Juve and Milan "own" half of serie A teams

Conflict of interest. I know this is a shocking statement, but the FIGC (or UEFA in general) should really put an end to loaning and co-ownership. At the very least loaning should cease between Serie A teams and between serie B teams. The situation is too open to corruption. A young player owned by Milan could be loaned out to a team like Torino. The player explodes and becomes the hottest name in football. Milan eventually plays Torino and the player is in the awkward position of potentially hurting his own boss by playing his best.

The concept of loaning was always strange to me because I'm from the US and our sports teams NEVER "loan" players. Certain sports have lower leagues where young prospects are placed to get experience (NBDL for Basketball, AHL for Hockey, various Minor Leagues for baseball). But you'll never see the NY Yankees sending a player out to the Boston Redsox. You'd never see a LA Laker player being loaned out to the Chicago Bulls. Something about it is just wrong. Where do loyalties lie?

Originally Posted by _MaJi_tz

Antonio Puerta Pérez (November 23, 1984 - August 28, 2007)

That is so sad. I just saw the footage of him collapsing on the field last night. That was really scary, and to hear that he passed away today is just painful. My prayers go out to his family...

There's nothing wrong with loaning players to other clubs, the majority of times there is a clause in the loan agreement that stops the player playing against the club that owns him.

I remember that when Fiorentina wanted to take some of the players that were "co-owned" by Juve; like Chiellini, Miccoli and some more, I cant remember, that a "blind offers" were made. And Juve won them all with just tipping the Fiorentina offers, hm...

Same thing goes to Milan. Only officially these players are co-woned, but when Milan or Juve ask for them, they will be in here in few days believe me.

i hope those things will dissapear in time as it was really sad to watch games like Siena-Juve or last season Reggina-Milan.