Summer Mercato

Originally Posted by Stitch

GIO, i still don't get it you are counting taxes on taxes?

ok, i will try a last time.

1. The total represents 100% of the sum.

2. 50% of the total go with taxes.

3. You have another 50% which is the net amount of moneys given to the player.

4. Assuming you have to give the player 6 millions free of taxes, you have this:

TOTAL= 50% (net moneys) + 50% (taxes)

5. You know that the net sum you have to give the player is 6 millions. So, you have this:

TOTAL= 6 millions [as the net amount (50%)] + 50% (taxes)

Therefore, if 6 millions net represent the 50%, it's obvious the other 50% is the same amount of moneys.

So,

TOTAL= 6 millions + 6 millions.

6. The TOTAL is 12 millions.

Yeah, i get it but this came as a huge surprise to me.
I never thought that 50% of the total ammount goes for taxes, i thought 50% of the net sum goes for taxes.
This makes the ammounts certain teams pay for wages completely crazy. If Milan pay 120m euro net for wages it means that they pay 240m eur per year only for players wages :shocked:

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Yeah, i get it but this came as a huge surprise to me.
I never thought that 50% of the total ammount goes for taxes, i thought 50% of the net sum goes for taxes.
This makes the ammounts certain teams pay for wages completely crazy. If Milan pay 120m euro net for wages it means that they pay 240m eur per year only for players wages :shocked:

Right. That's where Shevchenko's moneys went.
This is a bit of realism that makes you think that ruling a club and being every year contender for the major throphies is not so easy.

It's simple. If Kaka earns 6 million euros net, then he "earns" 12 million euros gross.

So over four years, Milan would shell out 48 million just for Kaka, 24 of which would go to Kaka, and the other 24 to taxes.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Yeah, i get it but this came as a huge surprise to me.
I never thought that 50% of the total ammount goes for taxes, i thought 50% of the net sum goes for taxes.
This makes the ammounts certain teams pay for wages completely crazy. If Milan pay 120m euro net for wages it means that they pay 240m eur per year only for players wages :shocked:

This is why Galliani constantly laments the 25% "artist" tax in Spain. They have a huge advantage over Italy in particular, but also Germany and England.

tax in England is 17.5% so does that meen they have the advantage over Spain?

This squad is old, and has no future bar Kaka. Our 3 keepers are muck, our defence is ancientm, and bar 3-4 players is crap, our midfield bar Kaka is old, and lacks depth, and our forwards bar Pato are old, or crap like Gilardino. If Belru doesn't spend money like other big clubs do to keep up, then next season will be a relegation battle. We've spent 100 million on players since Carlo is in charge, Barca have spent 300 million with Rijkaard, inert more than us with Mancini. Stop making excuises about Bendiera players, and not wanting to upset other clubs. They hate u anyway, so go out and start pissing off clubs. It's a competitive game, except it seems in our transfer market.

I remember the failings of the late 90's too well. An old squad, not replaced till too late, and we failed big time. We need to get quality & youth in now, or we'll suffer the same again.

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

tax in England is 17.5% so does that meen they have the advantage over Spain?

If so, yes...

Now I can understand what Giovanni think and this is very logic.

Taxes should go to the amount of money that a club give to a player. If Milan 'give' 9 mil for Drogba, then 50 percent of this 9 mil (= 4,5 mil) will go for taxes, which means : Drogba will earn only 4,5 mil (the other 50%). So, 50% taxes is taken from the amount of money that club spend, not from Drogba's wish. To satisfy Drogba (to make him earn 6 mil), Milan then need 12 million to spend and 50 percent (of 12 mil/from Milan's spend) goes to taxes (= 6 mil).

Sorry, I am just not so fast at math, I have to use more logic at math

So basically we pay over the odds for players to satisfy them, as our taxes give other countrys the advantage over us?

I think, you are right, mate. I now can imagine how hard for italian clubs to compete with spaniard ones over players' contracts.

so if we think we are kinda lucky to have Pato i know he didnt ask for mega bucks but he could have quite easily gone to spain and made more money than he is here at Milan.

I do think this year is the year we need to make a bit more of an impact on the transfer market. I support all the decisions the club have made as they have bought us so much success. Everyone makes mistakes occassionally and we have too with certain players. However I think in general we have been good. Only problem now is that we need to start getting some younger players in and get some of the hunger back in the team.

In the summer I would like to see us bring in a new younger keeper.
In defence I would like to bring Marzoratti back, get Zambrotta or De Silvestri and possibly a deal for Dessena, leave him on loan.
In midfield I would like to see us get Cigriani and if Aquilani us up for sale him as well. I know not many of them will play, so it would be good again to keep one of them on loan. Would also be good if we could give Gourcouff more playing time. If he proves he deserves.
Up front I think we need two more strikers. Not sure who at the moment. It would be good if we could get someone like Rossi or Cassano and another.

These transfers certainly wouldn't break the bank, and we must have enough due to the shrewd business of recent years.

I think the signings of Bonera, gourcouff and Pato have pointed us in the right direction.

With Maldini, Serginho, Cafu (possibly), Simic, Brocchi leaving or showing signs of discontent, it gives us a chance to bring in some fresh blood, and hopefully continue the legacy which is AC Milan

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

tax in England is 17.5% so does that meen they have the advantage over Spain?

Hmm...I read that footballers pay 40-43% tax in England.

It may have been an incorrect article, but many in the Prem were complaining about Spain's advantage.

If everything is so crappy, how did Juve and Inter manage to have such an active transfer season?