Summer Mercato

Originally Posted by Nalx

...Everybody makes mistakes, no doubt about that. But then they MUST pay for that mistake. So let him stay where ever he is now because personal sentiments aside, he's just not that good anymore

And you think Sheva hasn't payed for his mistake?
He lost almost everything, he lost 2 years from his life (literraly), lost respect, form, etc.
If you think that's not enough, I'd say you have some...er...mental problems , how could you enjoy looking how one of our own is suffering...

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

And you think Sheva hasn't payed for his mistake?
He lost almost everything, he lost 2 years from his life (literraly), lost respect, form, etc.
If you think that's not enough, I'd say you have some...er...mental problems , how could you enjoy looking how one of our own is suffering...

You say he's lost form but you still want him back. You also say he's one of our own when he's not. He's not at our club anymore or did you forget that he left? It's clear you'll love him no matter what, but you should take your blinkers off and not be so blinded by your admiration for him otherwise maybe it's you who have the mental problems.

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

May be becouse some players can perform only in one league. For example Anelka ruled in Arsenal, was a shadow of himself in Madrid (don't even want to mention his adventure with Fenerbahce...) and shine again in EPL, earning a place in Chelsea. Henry was a king in EPL, now you know how he's doing in Spain. Even Ricardo Oliveira himself, if we judge him only for how he performed in Italy (3 goals in a whole season, Ancelotti even prefered to use Kaka' as a striker than to use RO...), we would say that he's pure crap. But he returned to La Liga and showed that he's not that bad player. May that's becouse RO is a player, who suits well in Spain, Henry and Anelka are EPL players, and Sheva is a player for Serie A.
If Ronaldo managed to shine back in Milan last season (and he was in worst condition, compared with current Sheva's condition), if Trezeguet is still capable to score 15+ goals in Serie A, I don't see a reason why Sheva could not do the same...

Disagree, I think good players, and even more great players (as Sheva was before) can adapt to different leagues. Those examples you mention...

Anelka struggled in Spain after falling out with everyone at the club and refusing to train.

Henry has more than a few personal problems at Spain (including missing his daughter and the back end of a divorce).

Oliveira in his time in Italy had many personal problems (kidnapping of his sister). However, I don't think he'd be a good option for us, as I don't see how he'd fit in.

Sheva can be argued the same, his time at Chelsea has been tough due to struggling to adjust to London and Mourinho (who wasn't his biggest fan). However, after two seasons of mediocrity, it'll be a difficult task to get Sheva into the form required at Milan (especially at his age). It will also probably take time, which is something we can't really afford.

If I was to base my judgement on sentimentality, I would take Sheva back in a heartbeat, as I still want him to do well and am always thankful for all he did for us. However, we need to start looking at the reality now, and logic dictates Sheva is a very risky signing, which we've made too many of in recent years, many resulting in the present problems. I don't want Milan to change into a heartless corporation that will simply treat players as commodities, but sometimes we have to take a firm stance.

Drogba
Pato
Boriello
Oliveira
Inzaghi (5th striker)
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Out:
Gila (sold)
Paloschi (loan to get games)
Ronaldo (forget about him)
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Originally Posted by Jim_UK

You say he's lost form but you still want him back. You also say he's one of our own when he's not. He's not at our club anymore or did you forget that he left? It's clear you'll love him no matter what, but you should take your blinkers off and not be so blinded by your admiration for him otherwise maybe it's you who have the mental problems.

When I said that he's one of our own, I meant Rossonero in the soul, not a Milan player. Yes, I remember that he left (could I ever forget... ). But in his soul he always was Milan player, Milan is in his heart and I don't think I have to prove it, it's obvious.
He will give his best to prove himself again, he will fight for us just like Inzaghi does. Not like Drogba or R10, for them Milan would be just the club, who is paying their salary...

Originally Posted by slifersd

I don't think the deal is just a rumor as I do believe the clubs are negotiating. I just don't think any of those deal are done deal yet as they have been reporting. Based on what they have been doing the last few years, I wouldn't count on what Galliani and Berlusconi say any more. They will say what they have to say to keep fans in their seats only to turn their backs on us when it's time to deliver on their promises. Like I said in the original post, I don't think it is possible for the Ronaldinho deal to be done right now due to its many complications. Those issues couldn't possibly be solved in a matter of two weeks.

As far as the management goes, they should still be running for the hills if Shevchenko and Ronaldinho are the only signings of the summer. Even a blind man can see that we need a new goalkeeper and true center striker before those two. Their lack of planning and ambition is killing this team right now and those two guys are not going to solve the problems we have.

Okay, I think I got you. You're saying you agree that they're trying to bring the players over but you don't think it's done yet, because most deals of this proportions/enormity are totally finished after the season is over. So I'll give you that you're right it's not done.

I'm not gonna bash them for saying that these deals are practically done. They never said anything close to that last year except in the case of Suazo who didn't want to come. Sheva definately wants to comeback and Ronaldinho's agent stated that he will either come to Milan or stay in Barca this coming year. The only thing I see that could possibly stand in the way of the Ronaldinho deal, is failure to qualify for CL. Sheva will come no matter what.

Furthermore, I don't think these signings mean that there won't be any signings come the season end. As you said most signings/deals occur at season's end.

But if these signings are any indicator of the amount of activity there will be this summer, they have started early enough for me to believe that this could be an REALLY active summer for Milan in the market. I'm sure they have things line-up this year but alot hinges on whether the team qualifies for the CL, so they have to wait and as a so do we.

They'll be plenty of opportunity to slam management if they don't sign other needed players this summer.

Dinho, Sheva to Milan
Drogba, Hleb to Inter

Inter trident will look like: Ibra, Drogba, Hleb......not bad at all
Milan's brazilian magic will be: Pato, Dinho, Kaka.....slightly, but better

But we should not forget the Midfield and Defense!

Summer transfers (reality): Shevchenko, Ronaldinho, Flamini, Zambrotta, Frey, LB, CB and we will be Il Grande Milan again!

Originally Posted by slifersd

As far as the management goes, they should still be running for the hills if Shevchenko and Ronaldinho are the only signings of the summer. Even a blind man can see that we need a new goalkeeper and true center striker before those two. Their lack of planning and ambition is killing this team right now and those two guys are not going to solve the problems we have.

Will you guys ever be satisfied ? We're signing one of the greatest players in Ronaldinho and Shevchenko for free after we sold him for 45 m. Nonetheless, it's not good, or never enough, cause there are other problems. But the market don't close tomorrow.

Juve fans are dreaming of a Ronaldinho like signing.

I think some of you should seriously think that are cronically unsatisfied, and whatever the board do or we sign, you'll always find a reason to criticise.

Like I said once, the only problem with Ronaldinho to Milan is the fact that Brazil will become better and better !! Kaka' and him will learn to play together, you add Pato who is our future and Brazil future (even present lol) and that's going to be amazing, too amazing lol ... don't worry about the next World Cup, we will already know the winner !! Hihi

Actually, guys like Ronaldinho are always signed before the start of mercato, because then, all clubs do official offers, whereas right now, only "friendly" clubs can talk with Barcelone and the player ...
For a guy like Sheva, the fact that the club is trying to deal him now is simple I think: once the mercato is open, he comes to Milan, no time lost and he will be able to do the pre-season physical training.

Actually, unlike Mr Anonymous said, I'm convinced that most deals are already done before the start of mercato ... when it is not, it's for some reasons:
- the club doesn't want to sell the guy or wants a higher amount of money (Lyon does that each summer, you know the guy will be sold, but you don't know for how much)
- the player hesitate
- the club has no target at all and takes the guys on the market when they come on it (what we did last seasons except for Pato)

If your targets are established, what seems to be the case for this year (yeah yeah I think they targetted players this year !! lol), you can start to deal before mercato ...

PS: Back to Ronaldinho, his official recruitment is going to be announced after Barcelona's elimination from CL, so, I hope for them, after the final ...

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Disagree, I think good players, and even more great players (as Sheva was before) can adapt to different leagues. Those examples you mention...

As I said, this is your opinion. But you can't deny the differences between the different leagues. Expecially the difference between EPL and Serie A, they are diametrical opposite in the characteristics of the play. In EPL all you need is speed and power. The tactical awareness is useless there, the tempo is too high and in the most of the cases the players react instinctively without any logic. In Serie A the picture is opposite. The play is more methodical, the tactic is everything. Being fast and powerfull is just an addition.
Even the referees are different. In EPL they let the game to be free, even the hardest tackles often are not enough the ref to give a foul. In Italy it's opposite, even a min. contact the ref could whistle. When you play and in one moment you feel that somebody is pushing you, just have to fell and you win a free kick.
If you're around 30 and had played 7 years in one of the league and then go to the other league, you can fail very easily no mather how good you are.

MILANO, 12 aprile - È sempre più acceso sul fronte del mercato il derby tra il Milan e l'Inter per Ronaldinho. E mentre il club rossonero annuncia a scadenze ritmate di avere ormai trovato un accordo con l'attaccante, la società nerazzurra continua a lavorare sotto traccia, con il presidente Massimo Moratti che ha stabilito un contatto diretto e continuo con il numero uno blaugrana, Laporta.

L'INCONTRO - Anche ieri il fratello di Ronaldinho, Roberto de Assis, ha incontrato Adriano Galliani con Ernesto Bronzetti, per il quale l'affare sarebbe vicinissimo alla conclusione. De Assis, però, ha voluto precisare che «mio fratello non ha mai dichiarato che giocherebbe soltanto nel Milan in caso di divorzio dal Barcellona perché sa che non potrebbe mai sostenere una cosa del genere».

It’s from Corriere dello Sport
And it’s sais that Moratti is talking with Laporta
Yesterday Roberto de Assis said that Ronaldinho never declared that he will only play for Milan if he will leave Barca

How much truth is in all that?
Barcelona is only trying to get much money from Milan?
Ronaldinho probably waits to see if Milan will play in CL next season

Well I for sure have read De Assis saying that an agreement with the player has been found however I've also seen sooo many agreements between club n players take place but the two clubs do not find an agreement, however, Barcelona are a club that have always sold their top stars.

Galliani & Berlusconi have made us too many broken promises in recent years, if Ronaldinho doesn't come that is just simply not good enough and I would want them to resign. Not that I want Ronaldinho to come here, but just because of all these comments such as "180% we have Dinho and Sheva". Anything above 100% means he is certain, so if there is any trouble with this deal, I would really like sack Galliani.

I still don't believe the agreement has taken place with Ronaldinho, Sheva or even Zambrotta. Maybe Zambrotta will come but I'm not sure about the other two..

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

When I said that he's one of our own, I meant Rossonero in the soul, not a Milan player. Yes, I remember that he left (could I ever forget... ). But in his soul he always was Milan player, Milan is in his heart and I don't think I have to prove it, it's obvious.
He will give his best to prove himself again, he will fight for us just like Inzaghi does. Not like Drogba or R10, for them Milan would be just the club, who is paying their salary...

Yes yes, and he showed it by kissing Chelski's jersey in his first (or was in second?) game for them. So Rossonero.

The only reason he wants back is because he feels it could turn his career around, and he could get in form again. There is no Milan in him.

I tend to believe Galliani but now i'm concerned about the fact that if Milan won't play in CL they will only "buy" Sheva

Galliani said that Milan's mercato will be the same if Milan will play CL or UEFA cup (but maybe not the same names)

Rayno, you've got to be Sheva's brother or something...take a chill-pill! At the end of the day, if he comes back on a free and trains his ass off, accepts his role (whatever it may be), and Chelsea pay the bulk of his wage, I'd take it. I think he can teach Pato and help develop him, as Pato has been looking a bit lost way out on the flanks and Sheva used to rule this turf. But really, the myopic worship is too much-he is NOT the same player, if you have been out in pasture for 2 years, aged 2 years, it is much more difficult to return. However, if he has motivation, if he has the nerve to prove people wrong, he can succeed. I will say, if he did choose to come back, he has a LOT of balls-because he will be scrutinized for everything, and if he doesn't play by the rules, the fans will take a big merda on him.
We all make mistakes in our lives, and we can do things to rectify them. I for one have never heard him say a negative word about Milan, and his actions to me will be the most important (minus the badge-kissing of Chelsea which made me puke). He is no longer Sheva the world-class, he is Sheva the has-been. That is his reputation NOW, he needs to come to terms with it and determine how best to make it better.
If we take Dinho and Sheva, we've got 2 players who are majorly out of form. I believe that Milan is the environment to motivate certain players. Some, like Gila, do not have the internal motivation required, in my opinion. Pippo is the opposite of the spectrum, and if he teaches a class at Milanello entitled Motivation and Sacrifice for the Team 101, both Dinho and Sheva must sign up for it, do extra credit, and become the players (and men) they want to be.