Summer Mercato

Originally Posted by Roche13

I've been away for 3hours and all hell breaks loose on this board.

Guys the reality is we are supporters and Berlusconi owns the club.I know everyone likes to play manager,but i truly doubt anyone has the sources,scouting and the abilities to make soccer desicions like our managment.
It's good to be upset,because it shows passion to Milan.But we all need to take a deep breath and remember the history of Milan.The club will find someone at striker and i hope goalkeeper.Now it may not be the guys that we want,but with with Milans track record, you have to believe in the team.
That said it's probably a player that's not even mentioned in the newspapers and also why do so many of guys just go with what newpapers and media say and then panic about it.

I respectfully disagree with your point of view here. Even though we do not have the resources to play actual football managers for AC Milan, we can still judge the work done by the management by the outcome. And the outcome is that we have failed miserably in the transfer market for the past 3-5 years. The management might have the resources to make the right decisions, but they didn't make the right decision for us, and that is why people are upset.

Whatever you said in the second paragraph honestly promotes more problems than it provides comfort for us. Sure, they will find "someone" at striker and goalkeeper. If the past track record of the last few mercatos means anything, that someone could very well end up in the same class as Emerson or Favalli. Sure, he is someone, but what we need is not someone to just wear the jersey but someone who can actually make a difference. A guy who can solve our scoring problems and a man who won't give out goals like free lunches. If all we are going to bringing in is someone in Emerson's caliber, then what was the whole point of selling Oliveira and Gilardino? We are supposed to get better as a team through the mercatos, we haven't done that for the past half a decade and still have not done that right now.

Maybe I am overreacting a bit because time is still early, but I am seeing trends similar to those happened the past couple of years. We talk a big game and then start finding excuses not to deliver them. And now, we are yet again on that whole "our team is great (used to be perfect) as it is" thing. I was really looking forward to see a drastic change of transfer strategy here in Milan this summer, and from the way things look right now, I will be a very disappointed man come September.

Originally Posted by slifersd

I respectfully disagree with your point of view here. Even though we do not have the resources to play actual football managers for AC Milan, we can still judge the work done by the management by the outcome. And the outcome is that we have failed miserably in the transfer market for the past 3-5 years. The management might have the resources to make the right decisions, but they didn't make the right decision for us, and that is why people are upset.

Whatever you said in the second paragraph honestly promotes more problems than it provides comfort for us. Sure, they will find "someone" at striker and goalkeeper. If the past track record of the last few mercatos means anything, that someone could very well end up in the same class as Emerson or Favalli. Sure, he is someone, but what we need is not someone to just wear the jersey but someone who can actually make a difference. A guy who can solve our scoring problems and a man who won't give out goals like free lunches. If all we are going to bringing in is someone in Emerson's caliber, then what was the whole point of selling Oliveira and Gilardino? We are supposed to get better as a team through the mercatos, we haven't done that for the past half a decade and still have not done that right now.

Maybe I am overreacting a bit because time is still early, but I am seeing trends similar to those happened the past couple of years. We talk a big game and then start finding excuses not to deliver them. And now, we are yet again on that whole "our team is great (used to be perfect) as it is" thing. I was really looking forward to see a drastic change of transfer strategy here in Milan this summer, and from the way things look right now, I will be a very disappointed man come September.

You're right, the body of results clearly show this over the past few seasons show this. In the league we have progessively gotten worse every year in the time period you mentioned.

Now money...someone mentioned if any team should be crying about money it's Juve Serie "B" and no CL for 2 years...but Milan is the team crying poor!

Juve play & purchases that ensured them a top four spot in their first year back in the top division. Ours have equalled our worse result in years!!!

I just want to know who is to blame?

I know...the other teams for getting better!

Silly Season rules:
Rule 1 Almost every time, go against what club officials say about pending transfers, and what players the club are interested in
Rule 2 Believe everything the club officials tell you about upcoming transfers
Rule 3 Tabloid reports, are 98.7% accurate
Rule 4 Tabloid reports are never, ever, ever accurate
Rule 5 There are no rules.

I see where I am going to have to put these in my signature until the mercato ends.

I mean really....do we recall the Nesta saga? The Gila saga perhaps? The Pato saga? How quickly we forget the inconvenient examples, and how easily we recall the convenient ones.

Now, let me hasten to add, that I dont like the way Berlu and Galliani conduct mercato business...but what choice do I have? Lets see:

Choice 1: Rant, fuss, fume, stress, raise blood pressure, and die 10 years before my time because of two Italian men and the decisions they make?

Choice 2: Camly decide not to be ruffled by media reports, and if Mgmt dont buy/sell who I think we need, or want, continue to live a life full of joy, happiness, and pleasure.

I took the 2nd choice, the minute $heva was sold.

Life is too short to:
a) spend hours on the net looking to see who your club will buy
b) spend hours debating on the net mgmts efficacy or lack thereof
c) get stressed over what Berlu and Galliani do or dont do with regard to the mercato.

For the several years that I have followed Milan closely, this summer is the best of a mixed bunch so far. Its the fist time we have been so active in one mercato, and at such an early stage, for a looooooong time.

I refuse to get worried about Berlu and Galliani´s comments, because, as has been mentioned, no one knows what to believe....do u think Berlu wont spend big this summer on Milan, when we are already a bit in the red? I dont, I think he will...many here prefer to believe otherwise, and I can understand the angst when the words come from the horse(s) mouth(s)...but again, history has shown that these men lie, and do so well, and without remorse, with a perfect poker face.

That said, I am Milanista for life...they could lie until the cows come home..I wont care if we win some silverware.

The Mercato to date: Yes, I think we have done ok so far this summer, with 2 or 3 more singings for me to be fully satisfied.

Who really needs to be satisfied though, is Carlo Ancelotti, and the remainder of the team. Not us, at least those of us in the internet population. The season ticket holders are another thing entirely, and this is my point.

I am confident the club must realise that with all the hype over Mourinho, the Viola in the UCL, etc etc..they will need to do something to mobilise the fans, and maximise on the available income streams..thats only solid business practice.

Hence because Berlu is above all else, a business man, I think the spend isnt complete for this season.

Thats just my view though.

Feel free to keep yours.

(Excuse me while I go sip on some "Berlu Kool-Aid" packed with vitamin C, D and BS!)

Signings.Since 3-5years ago

GK Def Mid
Dida:2003 Bonera:2006 Brocchi:2006
Kalc:2005 Cafu:2003 Kaka:2003
Janku:2005 Emerson:2007
Favalli:2006 Gourcuff:2006
Oddo:2006 Ba:2007
Pancaro:2004
Striker
Pato:2008
Ronaldo:2007
Oliviera:2006
Gila:2006

Originally Posted by Mr. Anonymous

You're right, the body of results clearly show this over the past few seasons show this. In the league we have progessively gotten worse every year in the time period you mentioned.

Now money...someone mentioned if any team should be crying about money it's Juve Serie "B" and no CL for 2 years...but Milan is the team crying poor!

Juve play & purchases that ensured them a top four spot in their first year back in the top division. Ours have equalled our worse result in years!!!

I just want to know who is to blame?

I know...the other teams for getting better!

the last good mercato we had was 2002. In 2001 we brought in pirlo (22), rui costa (29), inzaghi (28), kalatze (24) with a few others... and then in 2002 we supplemented w/ seedorf (26) and nesta (26). In 2003 we got kaka (21). And since then we havent signed a single player who contributes majorly today except pato. i'm not even counting the players like tomasson etc who contribured a little for a year or 2 but then left. I mean i suppose bonera, oddo... but i mean really... If you look at other clubs its not that way.

You can say those 2 summers (plus kaka) they brought in so much, and there was no need... and i'd say you're half right. But results of this season (along w/ the previous in serie A) clearly suggest the squad needs some major updates. Also keep in mind we havent won a scudetto since 2002, and while i'll give you we were more interested in europe. Teams like barca and manUtd r able to balance both ambitions....basically whatr you can say is, although we had a greatt first time. we clearly lacked the depth necessary to deal w/ the rigors of a 38 game league schedule on top of CL fixtures...

So when we got 5th i was very dissapointed but, after a week i got some energy. I thougght it'll be 2001 again. We'll make some top notch signings.

so far this summer we've brought flamini on a GREAT deal. Then Zambro who is class (although older). And thats it. I really dont see borriello, abbiati, antonini doing much. Its just the same old recycled stuff.... some fresh faces would do us well.... they dont need to be major money signings. but major talent. Although 1 proven goalscorer wouldnt hurt. The same way we paid big for pippo and nesta.... because we knew what we were getting there.... Class. I love signings like sheva, pato, kaka who r somewhat unknown. promising talents etc.... but there is a risk too. thats why when we took pirlo, we brought rui costa. Kaka was bought when rui costa and rivaldo were slowing down...

i'm rambling...but i hope this clears up truly what i believe/want. I want to see milan win scudetto more often than once ever 7 years.

The signings were hit and miss,but when we hit with Kaka it really balanced everything out didn't it.
Last 5 years:2003-CL winners,Italian Cup and Super Cup winners.
2004:Scudetto
2005:CL Final a day that i will never forget.
2006:CL Semis
2007:CL Winners,Super Cup and World Club Cup.
Not bad ha,yes milan could of made better transfer desicions.But i think we did fine at the end of the day.
We have to remember every club big or small have made mistakes,these are just the risks you have to take in order to be rewarded.Kaka for example.

arshavin, pavlyuchenko....

John Arne Riise is officially a Roma player after putting pen to paper on a four-year contract in his £3m move from Liverpool.

The announcement came this evening, only hours after he was given permission to fly in and speak to the Giallorossi directly.

Roma announced they will “hand Liverpool 5m Euros, to be paid in four instalments (on July 1 2008, September 30 2008, 31 July 2009 and 31 January 2010).”

The Serie A side will also give Liverpool 100,000 Euros for every two seasons in which the team participates in the Champions League, 75,000 Euros for every 25 appearances in an official game to a maximum of 300,000 Euros.

Norwegian international Riise signed a four-year contract today worth 2.8m Euros per season – just under £2m – along with performance-related bonuses.

The 27-year-old leaves Liverpool after 31 goals in 347 appearances since 2001.



wow i'm really puzzled why didn't we go for him only 5 milion euros and we would have had a great player knowing that Janku is injury prone. Zambrota on the right and Riisse on the left would have been perfect, i'm really confused why did Liverpool let him leave that cheap does anyone know?

Originally Posted by Roche13

We have to remember every club big or small have made mistakes,these are just the risks you have to take in order to be rewarded.Kaka for example.

Agreed. Oh, and you forgot: Pato! (hopefully lol).
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Just saw the Russia-Sweden game, WOW!!!
The whole Russian team was awesome, and I saw that Pavlyuchenko also fills into our requisites - 188cm tall. In addition to that he is 26, and runs like Gattuso. As I have heard before though, he probably has a high salary.
The players themselves might not be that good, it might just be Guus Hiddink's magic we saw tonight. He only trains "small" teams and accomplished the impossible.... maybe he could train us, and accomplish the impossible: win the Scudetto with our current squad
(kidding, im sure it is possible to win... but the odds are clearly lower than the likes of Inter)

Please forgive me if i forgot players like,JDT,Moreno,Contra,Jose Mari,Seedorf.
I will say that if Milan are not going to spend large amounts of money on a striker.
How should Milan spend about 25million hypathetically.
Should it all be on a striker or should it be for a striker,GK and CD.Or any combination.

Then who should it be,my opinion it should be Boruc at 12million,Menez at 8-10million and Miranda CD of Sao Paulo at about 3-4million.

Originally Posted by Acmir^

wow i'm really puzzled why didn't we go for him only 5 milion euros and we would have had a great player knowing that Janku is injury prone. Zambrota on the right and Riisse on the left would have been perfect, i'm really confused why did Liverpool let him leave that cheap does anyone know?

Maybe (at the risk of sounding pedantic, and simplistic) because of the own goal he scored to send them out of the UCL, and that he just isnt good enough anymore?

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Maybe (at the risk of sounding pedantic, and simplistic) because of the own goal he scored to send them out of the UCL, and that he just isnt good enough anymore?

well ok that can happen to anyone and i don't think at 27 he's going downhill but maybe i'm wrong who knows, we'll see how he plays for Roma

Originally Posted by Acmir^

wow i'm really puzzled why didn't we go for him only 5 milion euros and we would have had a great player knowing that Janku is injury prone. Zambrota on the right and Riisse on the left would have been perfect, i'm really confused why did Liverpool let him leave that cheap does anyone know?

yeah he had, a poor poor season. And most liverpool fans dislike him. He had a couple bust ups w/ fans and teammates i believe? So it was just kind of a cut your losses type of situation

perhaps russia is a good market to dabel into. Russian players look good, especially when they got there playmaker arshavin back today. Now imagine a couple of them, like pavlyuchenko or zhirkov (a lwb) playing w/ kaka, pato, pirlo etc....

Players like vagner love and jo and daniel carvalho look good for brazil too.... Russian league plays fast, aggressive and actually decently technical. Besides eastern europeans tend to do well in serie A

the only feature i like about tribalfootball is i can search names and find articles...

anyway i searched tribal on pavlyuchenko, and found barca. real madrid and man city have been following him recently. and lokamotiv moscow is rating him at 8-10 mil. Granted this is tribal... the times ive watched him he's looked good. anyone w/ more insight is welcome