Milano84

Milano84 · 06-07-2008, 21:20

i think our management has taken a gamble. they 'cant spend now' which is ok i suppose, they know they will ahve to in the future. its reality. I think the problem is this team we have now isnt that good. it hasnt been good enough to win serie A since 2003. Thats not an inditement on pirlo, nesta, kaka. they are all world class... but to win league you need depth and consistant performance.

my biggest problem is this team has won too much. i know it sounds crazy, but players like pirlo, gattuso etc just dont have the same fire against atalanta and siena etc. we know at full strength and full motivation they can beat anyone. but they cant keep that motivation. who can blame them. when you are used to playing european matches against barcelona and manchester united, its hard to be as 'up for the match' the following weekend at palermo. The only plaers i think who play 100% all the time are maldini and pippo, and thats in there nature.... they r a rare breed. The drop off on the bench is even worse. i'd rather have an unmotivated gattuso than a full strength brocchi (for example). How many times has seedorf shown brilliance and followed it in a game w/ absolute mediocrity.

that is why signings like pato r necessary. Young hungry WORLD CLASS potential players. this is exactly what kakas purpose was wit rui costa, only he shined so hard, he upended rui costa (a problem, i think we would all like to have again

) Young up and comers push the stars. it forced competition. ManUtd did that this year, with anderson, nani on giggs and scholes.

Reality is, players age, some faster than others. In my opinion gattuso doesnt have muc left. Hes lost pace. for a player not very skilled this is vital. pirlo on other hand can slow down and still be class, because skill doesnt diminish. Not everyone is paolo maldini. WE can wish, but they arent. If i look at world football.... javier zanetti, cannavaro, thuram (who lost a huge step this year btW) are only players over 35 i see who play at a top club level consistantly. (paolo and pippo still do too, but they dont have legs to play as many games)

edit: i think change is beautiful, and i hope our management embraces it more. as much as holding onto the days of pippo and paolo are great, the passing of the guard is just as great in my opinion

Giancarlo · 06-07-2008, 21:30

But I'll fire back... they are spending... and will perhaps 1-2 more major signings this season... hopefully that forward we need and another goalkeeper. Pirlo is still great and isn't that old... he's just 29...

I'm all for signing young players... why I've pushed for Diogo... I think change can be dangerous if we embrace it too much... it can cause imbalances in our team and we could end up like Arsenal. I know your skeptical about Diogo... and say we haven't seen much of him. We didn't see much of Pato either before... he played like one season with Inter in Brazil. Diogo, Hernanes can be great. I do admit that a player like Seedorf is coming to the end up his career in at least a few seasons.

We were so preoccupied with the CL these last few years... now the team will have renewed focus to get one of those top positions... and that will also be important to get more money to buy players.

Expect gradual change, not revolutionary change. The next few seasons...

Kerlz · 07-07-2008, 00:39

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Originally Posted by Giancarlo

I think Milan's youth academy is superior to that compared to Inters or Juve.

No way better then Juve's and Inter have recently produced more then Milan.

Juve has not only produced Giovinco but Nocerino, lanzafame,Chielini,Molinaro and the list goes on. Even Inter has produced more young italians recently: Balotelli, Aquafresca, Andreoli (under 21 international before injury),Bolzoni(who i think sucks but hes a under 21 internation) and Delafiore.

Dont mean to bring down ur optimism but one must look at the facts. About Paloschi, he can be a decent player, but i doubt he will be a pheonomenon. Hes been overhyped ever since he scored that goal against Seina. But ill give him the benefit of the doubt.

MLM · 07-07-2008, 01:33

wow.. finally an Argentinian linked to us !! i thought they just interest to go to Inter ^^

http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?ac...ad&idsel=20071

Giancarlo · 07-07-2008, 01:47

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Originally Posted by Kerlz

No way better then Juve's and Inter have recently produced more then Milan.

Juve has not only produced Giovinco but Nocerino, lanzafame,Chielini,Molinaro and the list goes on. Even Inter has produced more young italians recently: Balotelli, Aquafresca, Andreoli (under 21 international before injury),Bolzoni(who i think sucks but hes a under 21 internation) and Delafiore.

Dont mean to bring down ur optimism but one must look at the facts. About Paloschi, he can be a decent player, but i doubt he will be a pheonomenon. Hes been overhyped ever since he scored that goal against Seina. But ill give him the benefit of the doubt.

You're really overestimating the others, and you are underestimating our own youth academy. Nocerino? LOL. Are you joking me? You name a few, but you don't name all of the talent coming out of Milan's academy. I'm stating the facts. Nothing less. This isn't about optimism. And your comment about Paloschi I think is absolutely ridiculous and wrong.

Recent players out of Milan's youth squad: Abate, Sammarco, Paloschi, Marzoratti, Antonini.... it's not good to produce such a one sided picture. And Paloschi has technique and speed that makes the other players you named look poor. I mean come on... Molinaro? The guy deserves to be playing for a Serie B team... he's no good. Nocerino isn't all that much either...

Milan has produced far more than Inter and a similar amount to Juve, if not more.

Giancarlo · 07-07-2008, 01:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLM

wow.. finally an Argentinian linked to us !! i thought they just interest to go to Inter ^^

http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?ac...ad&idsel=20071

Hmm that's interesting... I don't really know much about that player at all... never heard of him either from what I recall... he's 23 and has a consistent scoring record in argentina... but I'm not sure how good he is...

MLM · 07-07-2008, 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giancarlo

Hmm that's interesting... I don't really know much about that player at all... never heard of him either from what I recall... he's 23 and has a consistent scoring record in argentina... but I'm not sure how good he is...

i dont know how good he is, but according to these youtube videos , he is quite good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DejbT...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhVOK...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms2A5...eature=related

i missed the touch from Argentinian. last time it was Crespo

Giancarlo · 07-07-2008, 02:13

Well... so many players named, so many possibilities.

No hard feelings to anyone before about getting a bit personal. It's just this tension is just killing me... I just want us to acquire a striker, a defender and another keeper... at least for this transfer season.

If anything we can sell more players, like Simic (and maybe get Boruc from Celtic by selling him in a player + cash deal)... but overall, lets hope that we get our wishes.

Snapster · 07-07-2008, 03:01

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Originally Posted by Giancarlo

This is a business and there is a bottom line. We can't run ourselves into the red and we need to be careful. We need to spend carefully which we are doing. But to say we are not spending... that's false... and a travesty.

Our starting squad is quite good and solid, and frankly I think we need more depth (you call it back-up, I call it depth).

Very true, it is a business, and like many you have to spend a little to make money and in football that is investing in talented players you can either sell or help you win trophies to gain revenue through merchandise.

Milan's problem is our operating cost, I can't remember the exact figures that the bald one spoke of but it was something like £20m loss in the next year due to lack of CL revenue. You can attribute most of this to paying massive wages on players who are little to no use to us. Sometimes I wish we were a little more frugal and like Juve in operating costs as they have long term stability.

Gabriel489 · 07-07-2008, 04:23

Well, not going to the red is a key for business, but not producing at max capacity is the true problem. And not making CL is not producing at max capacity.
ANother problem is contracts, when a healthy company offer contracts, they know full well what they will be getting and if the employees underperform, they will fire them. Is Milan doing that?

I am sick of Galli saying Milan should run like a business and not dip into red, well, then fire some of those over paid players and give out proper contracts. B/c I am so sick of players like Favalli who makes three times as much as someone like Vargas.

And the fact that Galli came out and said we should be thankful we are not selling Kaka and Pirlo in order to stay afloat is just sad. B/c the last time I check, we are AC MILAN not AC GENOA.

Warro Bantan · 07-07-2008, 06:32

Silly season is finally picking up steam....rumors are a swirling...and fans are again beginning to dream.

Drogba is back on the map, Wenger "admits" Arsenal is a selling club, and Milan and Adebaoyor are back on track?

R10 on a free? Who will it be? No keeper, that's almost for sure, even if we all want Dida to walk out "that" door...

About a central defender we havent heard a word, and without a new one, many feel we will end up third.

Many fans think Galliani is lazy...one thing for sure..Silly season is crazy!

drucurl · 07-07-2008, 08:10

Hey Giancarlo thanks for defending Milan when someone on goal.com said that we cheated

Arildonardo · 07-07-2008, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLM

i dont know how good he is, but according to these youtube videos , he is quite good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DejbT...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhVOK...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms2A5...eature=related

i missed the touch from Argentinian. last time it was Crespo

According to those youtube-videos he's good? How can you say that? I'd say according to those videos he has scored three goals. I didn't see anything spectacular really. That doesn't mean the kid can't be a good player though...

drucurl · 07-07-2008, 08:44

Anyone remember the Olivera Youtube vids

Warro Bantan · 07-07-2008, 08:55

It would be good if people would put up on youtube the videos of the players misses as well....for sure they would serve to temper some of the hype...

Can u imagine a youtube video of Adebayor and Oliviera's many many many misses?

Were I Galliani, I would surrepitously send an email link to Wenger of the sitters Adebayor has missed, and see if his price plummets...

Wenger also made a mistake (or shrewd negotiation ploy

) when he admitted: Arsenal are a selling club.

Can't wait to see how this week unfolds.

06-07-2008, 21:20	#7846
Milano84 Registered User Join Date: 06 2008 Location: California Fave Players: Seedorf	i think our management has taken a gamble. they 'cant spend now' which is ok i suppose, they know they will ahve to in the future. its reality. I think the problem is this team we have now isnt that good. it hasnt been good enough to win serie A since 2003. Thats not an inditement on pirlo, nesta, kaka. they are all world class... but to win league you need depth and consistant performance. my biggest problem is this team has won too much. i know it sounds crazy, but players like pirlo, gattuso etc just dont have the same fire against atalanta and siena etc. we know at full strength and full motivation they can beat anyone. but they cant keep that motivation. who can blame them. when you are used to playing european matches against barcelona and manchester united, its hard to be as 'up for the match' the following weekend at palermo. The only plaers i think who play 100% all the time are maldini and pippo, and thats in there nature.... they r a rare breed. The drop off on the bench is even worse. i'd rather have an unmotivated gattuso than a full strength brocchi (for example). How many times has seedorf shown brilliance and followed it in a game w/ absolute mediocrity. that is why signings like pato r necessary. Young hungry WORLD CLASS potential players. this is exactly what kakas purpose was wit rui costa, only he shined so hard, he upended rui costa (a problem, i think we would all like to have again ) Young up and comers push the stars. it forced competition. ManUtd did that this year, with anderson, nani on giggs and scholes. Reality is, players age, some faster than others. In my opinion gattuso doesnt have muc left. Hes lost pace. for a player not very skilled this is vital. pirlo on other hand can slow down and still be class, because skill doesnt diminish. Not everyone is paolo maldini. WE can wish, but they arent. If i look at world football.... javier zanetti, cannavaro, thuram (who lost a huge step this year btW) are only players over 35 i see who play at a top club level consistantly. (paolo and pippo still do too, but they dont have legs to play as many games) edit: i think change is beautiful, and i hope our management embraces it more. as much as holding onto the days of pippo and paolo are great, the passing of the guard is just as great in my opinion __________________

07-07-2008, 01:33	#7849
MLM Registered User Join Date: 12 2007 Location: J-Town Fave Players: Grande Capitano	wow.. finally an Argentinian linked to us !! i thought they just interest to go to Inter ^^ http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?ac...ad&idsel=20071 __________________ Milan Forever

07-07-2008, 06:32	#7856
Warro Bantan Moderator Join Date: 08 1999 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Fave Players: Rui Costa, Pirlo, Pato	Silly season is finally picking up steam....rumors are a swirling...and fans are again beginning to dream. Drogba is back on the map, Wenger "admits" Arsenal is a selling club, and Milan and Adebaoyor are back on track? R10 on a free? Who will it be? No keeper, that's almost for sure, even if we all want Dida to walk out "that" door... About a central defender we havent heard a word, and without a new one, many feel we will end up third. Many fans think Galliani is lazy...one thing for sure..Silly season is crazy! __________________ I Love Milan.

07-07-2008, 08:10	#7857
drucurl Registered User Join Date: 08 2006 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Fave Players: Ronaldo Kaka Maldini Nesta Inzaghi Seedorf Pato	Hey Giancarlo thanks for defending Milan when someone on goal.com said that we cheated __________________ Milan is a rose, love even the thorns.

07-07-2008, 08:44	#7859
drucurl Registered User Join Date: 08 2006 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Fave Players: Ronaldo Kaka Maldini Nesta Inzaghi Seedorf Pato	Anyone remember the Olivera Youtube vids __________________ Milan is a rose, love even the thorns.

06-07-2008, 21:30	#7847
Giancarlo BANNED! Join Date: 06 2008	But I'll fire back... they are spending... and will perhaps 1-2 more major signings this season... hopefully that forward we need and another goalkeeper. Pirlo is still great and isn't that old... he's just 29... I'm all for signing young players... why I've pushed for Diogo... I think change can be dangerous if we embrace it too much... it can cause imbalances in our team and we could end up like Arsenal. I know your skeptical about Diogo... and say we haven't seen much of him. We didn't see much of Pato either before... he played like one season with Inter in Brazil. Diogo, Hernanes can be great. I do admit that a player like Seedorf is coming to the end up his career in at least a few seasons. We were so preoccupied with the CL these last few years... now the team will have renewed focus to get one of those top positions... and that will also be important to get more money to buy players. Expect gradual change, not revolutionary change. The next few seasons...

07-07-2008, 02:13	#7853
Giancarlo BANNED! Join Date: 06 2008	Well... so many players named, so many possibilities. No hard feelings to anyone before about getting a bit personal. It's just this tension is just killing me... I just want us to acquire a striker, a defender and another keeper... at least for this transfer season. If anything we can sell more players, like Simic (and maybe get Boruc from Celtic by selling him in a player + cash deal)... but overall, lets hope that we get our wishes.

07-07-2008, 04:23	#7855
Gabriel489 Registered User Join Date: 07 2007 Location: Hong Kong Fave Players: Captain Maldini	Well, not going to the red is a key for business, but not producing at max capacity is the true problem. And not making CL is not producing at max capacity. ANother problem is contracts, when a healthy company offer contracts, they know full well what they will be getting and if the employees underperform, they will fire them. Is Milan doing that? I am sick of Galli saying Milan should run like a business and not dip into red, well, then fire some of those over paid players and give out proper contracts. B/c I am so sick of players like Favalli who makes three times as much as someone like Vargas. And the fact that Galli came out and said we should be thankful we are not selling Kaka and Pirlo in order to stay afloat is just sad. B/c the last time I check, we are AC MILAN not AC GENOA.

07-07-2008, 08:55	#7860
Warro Bantan Moderator Join Date: 08 1999 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Fave Players: Rui Costa, Pirlo, Pato	It would be good if people would put up on youtube the videos of the players misses as well....for sure they would serve to temper some of the hype... Can u imagine a youtube video of Adebayor and Oliviera's many many many misses? Were I Galliani, I would surrepitously send an email link to Wenger of the sitters Adebayor has missed, and see if his price plummets... Wenger also made a mistake (or shrewd negotiation ploy ) when he admitted: Arsenal are a selling club. Can't wait to see how this week unfolds. __________________ I Love Milan. Last edited by Warro Bantan; 07-07-2008 at 10:43. Reason: put in too many letters..

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