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Old 26-09-2008, 04:36   #31

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So Abbiati's a fascist, or at least fascistoid. And I thought he shaved his head 'cause he was going bald...

Well, I was starting to think he could stay as our goalie beyond this season or that getting a new goalkeeper was at least of minor importance. But these declarations are just sickening, and a disgrace to the club. If I were in charge of the club, I would sack him right away and condemn him in public. But I guess with Berlusconi these remarks won't have any negative effect on Abbiati and his position in the club.
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Old 26-09-2008, 04:49   #32

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Although Abbiati chose a stupid choice of words, I don't think what he said is particularly bad. He isn't a fascist, he only said he agrees with some of the ideas of fascists, such as patriotism and the values of the Catholic church, which is fair and many people who completely despise fascists wouldn't necessarily have an issue with these opinions.

He quite clearly says he's against Hitler, war and racism.

The only contentious argument against what he said is when he said he liked the capacity of fascism to secure law and order for people and how it guaranteed security for people. Quite what he means by this isn't clear and could be an issue for many people.
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Old 26-09-2008, 05:18   #33

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I agree with Ceceves, it's sickening and a disgrace to the name of A.C.Milan, but we all know what our "dear" president thinks about all that so it's no surprise...
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Old 26-09-2008, 05:27   #34

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if you actually READ the article, he didn't say such things.. he said that he supports SOME aspects of faszism, like PATRIOTISM.. he DOESN"T support racism, war, hitler, etc...
Fascism is fascism, there aren't shades of fascism, so forward please don't try to defend something is not to be defended. Abbiati is like a vomit, a black vomit man because he like the black evil. Full stop. He doesn't know when to keep silence, just because he is a super-idiot fascist.
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Old 26-09-2008, 06:17   #35

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This is disgusting...now every time i'll look at his face i ll think of that..i cant believe how can o football player just say im fascist,its a job that influences a lot of young kids that may admire him..and i really cant believe that his isnt a rascist,he just said so because he had no options..how can you say im a fascist when you're in a team that most of players are not italians and most of them are black,,how should they feel now for him??

but what can we say when our team is owned by silvio berlusconi?
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Old 26-09-2008, 06:21   #36

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Here's the Goal.com version.

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=882292

Methinks they could've picked a better picture for the article, however.
how to pic a better pic if he doesn't have better one lol.
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Old 26-09-2008, 06:24   #37

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what he says or what he does is his job but i think that we in january need to buy a young keeper like Ustari cause i don't think he will be on form for a long time.
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Christian Abbiati is a fascist. He admitted in an interview given to La Gazzetta's magazine. He also votes for the right. Interesting excerpt below. Generally sensible though.
no hasan you're pretty wrong this time..when you say im a fascist,thats not sensible by any means,even when you try to cover things by saying craps like,in not racist,dont like hitler,war bla bla

its totally wrong,i want t throw up when i hear sick people like him talk..
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Old 26-09-2008, 07:40   #39

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Can anybody actually quote the part where he actually says "I am a fascist"? In neither the original article Hasan put up or on the goal.com article has he said he's a fascist.

The basic concept of fascism is to have a single authorotarian government ruling, which is a concept he appears to agree with. If he feels this provides a solid structure then that's his choice, and based on his words this is as much as is said.

He has not condoned the actions of fascist groups of the past (and in fact has spoke against them in this very same interview) and has agreed with ideologies that many on this board agree to too (how many of you are patriotic?).

His interview is neither here or there. It doesn't say "I want to opress people and build a world with only people of my choosing", but neither does it clarify precisely what he would like.

I may seem sympathetic towards him after he agreed to some Fascist views, but at this point I don't think he's said anything to really warrant any real hatred, even though I do disagree with his political belief.

However, without doubt, his comments don't help the image of our club.
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Can anybody actually quote the part where he actually says "I am a fascist"? In neither the original article Hasan put up or on the goal.com article has he said he's a fascist.

The basic concept of fascism is to have a single authorotarian government ruling, which is a concept he appears to agree with. If he feels this provides a solid structure then that's his choice, and based on his words this is as much as is said.

He has not condoned the actions of fascist groups of the past (and in fact has spoke against them in this very same interview) and has agreed with ideologies that many on this board agree to too (how many of you are patriotic?).

His interview is neither here or there. It doesn't say "I want to opress people and build a world with only people of my choosing", but neither does it clarify precisely what he would like.

I may seem sympathetic towards him after he agreed to some Fascist views, but at this point I don't think he's said anything to really warrant any real hatred, even though I do disagree with his political belief.

However, without doubt, his comments don't help the image of our club.



The fact is that people have to be very careful what they say about such things. He's either a complete idiot or a fascist.
You can't go around saying stuff like: "I really like Nazis, except all the killing and war stuff..."

It simply isn't appropriate after everything that happened in WWII.
Millions were killed and tortured by that very same regime and now 60 years later some stupid GK comes out and tells this to the world. Stupid motherfuc...sorry.
Crimes that happened should be condemned for all times and only an idiot or a fascist could put words "like" and "fascism" in the same sentence.
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Read the words of abbiati carefully:
"I am not ashamed of showing my political beliefs," Abbiati told Sportweek.
"I agree with some aspects of fascism like patriotism and the values of the Catholic religion.
"WITHIN FASCISM I DISAGREE WITH RACIAL LOWS,ALLEGIANCE TO HITLER AND THE WAR, but I like the capacity Fascism had to secure law and order. It guaranteed security for the people."
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It guaranteed security for the people."
Idiot....
It guaranteed security only for those who are for the regime, as for the rest....
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Idiot....
It guaranteed security only for those who are for the regime, as for the rest....
Don't call me idiot i just copied and past the words of him lol.
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So Abbiati's a fascist, or at least fascistoid. And I thought he shaved his head 'cause he was going bald...

Well, I was starting to think he could stay as our goalie beyond this season or that getting a new goalkeeper was at least of minor importance. But these declarations are just sickening, and a disgrace to the club. If I were in charge of the club, I would sack him right away and condemn him in public. But I guess with Berlusconi these remarks won't have any negative effect on Abbiati and his position in the club.
I agree, an international club like Milan cannot tolerate a declarations like this. Either he is a fascist or he is not, there are no graduations.
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Old 26-09-2008, 09:13   #45

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omfg people. you have read the word "faszisms" and started going freaking nuts...

READ DA FREAKING ARTICLE... BEYOND THE WORD FASZISM..

OPEN MINDEDNESS PLZ?
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