Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by boring

If Milan had been Arsenal, it probably wouldve been okay to buy a 36 year old player.. however, we, under no circumstances should add to the long list of 32+ year olds.. i am in no way saying that old players cant cut it at the top.. but there is a need for balance.

I agree with Boring, I'm a big fan of Canna and I always wanted him, it's the first time since I heard of him (almost 11years ago) that I don't want him. We should be honest it's a very short term solution, we start to look like a real retirement home.
If we could get a loan deal for 6months that would be ideal (but I doubt that Canna would do that). But I heard somebody say if we get him for 5 mil it would be a great deal. To be honest that's a very crappy deal to me, we are sytematicaly overpaying for old players...
Bottomline if we can get him cheap, why not but we should realize that he is nothing more than a very very short term solution (for the next six months). And like wise we should pay for him according to that if that isn't possible we should use the players we have.
Give Darmian his chance and even kaladze if kala fails then we don't have any reason to keep him any longer and we should sell him in the summer.

Originally Posted by boring

mrki

I apologise if i sounded rude.. I didn't have the remotest idea I was.

With all this talk of Cannavaro, how are people so sure we're going to get him since Madrid dont have a backup. They've just recovered from a crisis.. they probably wouldnt want one their best talents to leave midway in a season where they've to finish in a champions league spot (they're 5th right now) and unlikely to solve their RW situation with the desired replacement to Robinho.
Has he actually said he wants to go to Italy right now? Because it seems highly unlikely.

well cannavaro will walk on a free in summer, so they might consider taking some cash on him. Also real have a history of undervaluing defenders and letting them walk if they are unhappy. Cannavaro isn't exactly a real madrid legend or anything.

He could be attainable, but i'd only do it it for 5 mil or under considering age

Originally Posted by Koeke

Give Darmian his chance and even kaladze if kala fails then we don't have any reason to keep him any longer and we should sell him in the summer.

Damrian to play in Cb position and organise Bonera and Kaladze?

I want you people to realise Milan's gold is to win scudetto this year, and since we will most likely play without Nesta, we need instantly great defender and a good lb since Marek is in the middle now with the absence of Rinho.

We are going for scudetto with -9 and still Roma and Viola to play before midseason, and without Gattuso and Nesta... That is how our realistic chances are.

So no Kaladze, Bonera or 20 year old defender can hwlp us now. Except Santacroce but he cant leave Napoli in the middle of year.

All i want for Christmas is Fernando Torres.

good news:nesta may be ready on february,imo thats when things start to clear up..

bad news(for me):galliani said,and unfortunately i belive him this time,ther is no chance we get canna

p.s.he also said "we already have got one defender,thiago silva, that will come in july"............

Originally posted by koeko
If we could get a loan deal for 6months that would be ideal (but I doubt that Canna would do that). But I heard somebody say if we get him for 5 mil it would be a great deal. To be honest that's a very crappy deal to me, we are sytematicaly overpaying for old players...

If,and only if, we can get 35 years old canavarro for 5 mil this winter,I won't hesitate a second.Do you have any better possible options to suggest?

Iven if Nesta returns i will say that we have not a hole defence line and a GK.
We dont have a LB,RB,DC,DC and a GK.
Kalac,Abiatti,Dida=Finished players for big teams.
Jankulofski,Kaladze,Maldini,Nesta,Bonera,Zambrotta=Finished for big teams.


Our midfield and attack are ok but our defence is very bad. As much as goals we score in each game our defence will eat a goal in every single attack.

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

Iven if Nesta returns i will say that we have not a hole defence line and a GK.
We dont have a LB,RB,DC,DC and a GK.
Kalac,Abiatti,Dida=Finished players for big teams.
Jankulofski,Kaladze,Maldini,Nesta,Bonera,Zambrotta=Finished for big teams.


Our midfield and attack are ok but our defence is very bad. As much as goals we score in each game our defence will eat a goal in every single attack.

Well That's right , bute Jankulovski , Zambrota and Bonera aren't finished.

even if nesta returns hes finished????
just remember our defence when this guy plays..tottally deferent team!!he even makes kaladze looking like a hero on some games..im confident,and sure about his quality..he is the best defender in the world,miles ahead of anyone else,and i say this with all my heart..
i ve been watching football since 94.and there is no guy that has ever played in his quality,he is the only one that hadnt a bad season in his career..even when lazio started going down,he was perfect,he tottaly changed our teams confidence and image,just remember milan the season before or even that pre-seasons friendlies with liverpool and bayern..
nesta is having this injury problem(the same one),since wc98,he has always been playing with pains,i know he is getting older but he is not old(he is 32 ,and thats a good age for defenders of that calibre)..i know this time seems to be more serious,but its because their trying to get him well once and for all(they should have when he was at lazio)..there is no chance he wont be returning,and when he does we will once again be a better team(and that is the sadest part..)
he just needs time to recover,that was always the problem.dont forget he palyed one friendly in albania,and that is madness..galliani,silvio,adidas etc dont care about nestas(or anyones) true recovery,football is money not just a game anymore,they just want to win at any cost they want to advertise their "product" at any cost and nesta is just one more pawn..this time they know that in his age he should at least be healthy or he will eventually(be forced to)retire in 2 years time..
lets just hope he will return healthy this time,and lets give him some time and not call him finished..

Originally Posted by mrki

Damrian to play in Cb position and organise Bonera and Kaladze?

I want you people to realise Milan's gold is to win scudetto this year, and since we will most likely play without Nesta,
we need instantly great defender and a good lb since Marek is in the middle now with the absence of Rinho.

We are going for scudetto with -9 and still Roma and Viola to play before midseason, and without Gattuso and Nesta... That is how our realistic chances are.

So no Kaladze, Bonera or 20 year old defender can hwlp us now. Except Santacroce but he cant leave Napoli in the middle of year.

A young player that isn't given a proper chance isn't going to get better.
What's the use of having them if they don't get a shot.
Are we just hoping to find a new Maldini or Nesta out of the blue?
Kaladze if he can't lead a defence now, what's the use of having him? Same goes for Bonera...
I don't say we should make Darmian the leader of our defence but Kala and even Bonera should starting to have such qualities. I don't belive in the Scudetto anymore, I still hope so but I think it's un realistic.
So we should build a squad for next year. If Kaladze can't do it now he won't cut it next year.

Originally Posted by will4li

If,and only if, we can get 35 years old canavarro for 5 mil this winter,I won't hesitate a second.Do you have any better possible options to suggest?

What I meant that we keep paying tons for players that are finished, you can do it once becoz you are in trouble but we just to it time after time. You want names? Favalli, Pancaro, Emerson, Sheva, Kalac, AND CANA.
If those players come cheap why not but if you have to dig deep then you have a problem.
Coz you are just buying a team on the worst possible way.

You asked for an example, Kompany had a longer contract with Hamburg and costed Manchester City 8 million, (10 depending on results) .
(He joined before the takeover so I doubt he got astronomically wages in comparisson with other EPL players).
I'm not saying that we should have got Kompany (but we could of used him) but you asked for an example.
My point is that there are young players available for just a small amount more.
(Allthough I think with signing on fee and wage Canna will cost about the same).
Kompany isn't as good as Canna was on his peak but neither is Canna at this moment.
Kompany can develop in a better player but Canna will only decline.
If we buy Canna will have the exact same problem we have now so we would have to fix it again next year
but we would be down 5 million. And Nesta will be another year older and Maldini will be gone.
If you buy a young player you can use him longer or sell him.
You could say that was during the summer but again Kompany was sold at the very end of the summer break.
Nesta's injury problems aren't new (he was left out our European squad for a reason).
Maldini's age and injury list are well known and Kaladze has always been the same.

So this problem isn't new and was very predictable.

Adding Canna to our squad could be a short term solution indeed.
But splashing 5 million on such an old player who's contract is expiring in 6 months is just a panic reaction.

I don't like to compare with other teams but since you asked for examples Van Nistelrooy is seriously injured,
so Real bought Huntelaar they could have bought Crespo to but they didn't.

We can insert Darmian in ouir team and let him play, I agree. But he is not our solution for this problem sinceNesta is out and will 90% go on surgery and will not play for 6 months.

If we are already out of the scudetto race then some people need to feel the consequences for slipping on -9 before the half of the season. Starting from Galliani himself.

Nxt season doesnt mean anything, this year there is still 21 game to play and we need to go for scudetto by all means.

If that means buying a player like Gallas ( which is our no.1 priority according to the media now ), then let it be.

Darmian has the future, but he needs to be inserted in safe and reliable defence, and not between Marek and Kaladze...its a suicide for a young defender.

I do agree about Kaladze, if he is no more capable of playing real football he should become a regular reserve in Milan, or be sold. But I still claim he can be used very well as a LB!

---Zambro-Gallas-Maldini-Kaladze-

that is our possible solution, the most important thing is that we buy a plaer that can play with brains in the back line and not to let Kaladze and Marek play next to each other.

In the summer we will have Nesta back and T.Silva and Gallas can take LB place.
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News: tuittomercato says Milan will pay 16mln for Mexes, now or in the summer. Of course this is the best solution ,but I dont see it happening now.

Originally Posted by mrki

In the summer we will have Nesta back and T.Silva and Gallas can take LB place.

You're too optimistic, am I the only one to think that we can't rely anymore on Nesta ? He'll be injured again and again ... unfortunately.

And Gallas (?? Don't want to see him in Milan) or Thiago Silva in LB position ?! They are central defenders, not RB/LB ... so taking them to make them playing on flanks means you replace a player who doesn't play in his natural position by a player who doesn't play in his natural position ?? So the solution to one of our problems is another problem ?? Why not buying directly a natural LB ??

Originally Posted by mrki

But he is not our solution for this problem sinceNesta is out and will 90% go on surgery and will not play for 6 months.

If we are already out of the scudetto race then some people need to feel the consequences for slipping on -9 before the half of the season. Starting from Galliani himself.

Nxt season doesnt mean anything, this year there is still 21 game to play and we need to go for scudetto by all means.

Darmian has the future, but he needs to be inserted in safe and reliable defence, and not between Marek and Kaladze...its a suicide for a young defender.

News: tuittomercato says Milan will pay 16mln for Mexes, now or in the summer. Of course this is the best solution ,but I dont see it happening now.

I agree that Darmian has to have good defenders surrounding him to 'teach' but that ship has sailed, we should have start doing that 2 years ago.
We aren't solving the problem the problem with buying old decling players...
One or two such players are not a problem but in recent years we've done it in every line, some years back we had an old team. I wasn't against it if we had our eyes on the future to but I'm affraid we slipped the ball.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

You're too optimistic, am I the only one to think that we can't rely anymore on Nesta ? He'll be injured again and again ... unfortunately.

And Gallas (?? Don't want to see him in Milan) or Thiago Silva in LB position ?! They are central defenders, not RB/LB ... So the solution to one of our problems is another problem ?? Why not buying directly a natural LB ??

I hope Nesta will recover but he is and will remain injury prone.

Gallas? We should have got him as part of the Sheva deal
again signing him now is to late for me.
He is truning 32 maybe he could be of use for us longer than Canna but I don't have a good feeling. (I know it isn't much to work with)

My advice to the management if you want Mexes. That's great but buy him now. Don't sign him in 5-6 years

I expressed byself wrongly in my post, I wanted to say Gallas can play LB. Thiago Silva cant of course.

The thing I still try to say is this:
1) We need to go for the scudetto even this year.
2) There is no available player who is top class and has enough experience in january. Clubs simply dont sell.


There is an option we pay 30mln and you Santacroce, but that will not happen.

And we have a coach that doesnt know how to work with young players, so forget about Darmian becoming great CB under Carlo. Even Pato, a man that is adored in Brasil ( and in Brasil people know football better then in the rest of the world ) is striggling. Too young players cant play for this Milan team.

There are optimal solutions, but they ask for money: Santacroce, Mexes, Clichy for LB... one midfielder in summer ( Aquilani, Fabregas...) Im sure Barca can do such things, Im just not sure Berlusconi these days wants to pay such money for players.

I have ever thought that if we get a good CD, we can put Thiago Silva as right fullback. If I am not mistaken, he played as a right fullback even a winger before he plays now as CD. Thiago is fast, has decent dribble and he is still young, that's why I think he can play as right fullback.

Thiago Silva-Alex-Bonera/Nesta-Zambrotta

I prefer naturally Thiago Silva as a CD but how will be the situation if we get a good CD (Santacroce, Alex, Mexes, etc.) and Bonera with Nesta are fit? From this thing my thought about Thiago Silva as fullback started.