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Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Or it could be that they know guys like Berlu and Galli will not turn down this deal like the other clubs?

How could they know that when you know that Milan turned down a 80M offer for Kaka' last summer ??

Choosing Kaka' could also be a way to say to the entire world: if Kaka' comes, everyone can say yes ... it's what they thought they had done with Robinho I think, but after all these "no", why not trying to take the most respected player in the world ??

I am just asking more questions, I don;t have answers and I am not looking for answers, just more to think about.

anyway, game time, lets see what happen

Someone PLEASE give Fernando Torres Kaka's mobile phone number! This is a fantastic article!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...nsfers&cc=5901

Man City would be wrong for Kaka - Torres

Liverpool striker Fernando Torres believes it would be a mistake for Kaka to join Premier League big spenders Manchester City.

City's billionaire owners have apparently tabled an audacious bid of £108 million for the AC Milan midfielder, who is set to receive a reported weekly wage of £500,000 should a deal be reached.

But 24-year-old Torres believes City's lack of silverware in recent years should serve as a warning to Kaka that success will not necessarily follow on the heels of a record-breaking move to Eastlands.

"Manchester City is not the right team for Kaka,'' Torres told the Daily Mail. "Seriously, how can they pay £100 million for Kaka?

"Big players want to win trophies and Manchester City is not even in the race for trophies in England. They are fighting to stay in the Premier League, or to get to the middle of the table.

"They have to build from there and then go against the biggest clubs and after that, maybe, a top player will join them.

"Chelsea were high in the league before they started to sign really big stars. Now everyone wants to play for Chelsea, but they did not when (owner) Roman Abramovich first arrived. They built a strong club and then it happened.''

The Spaniard added that the staggering sums of money on offer to Kaka should not be the primary motivation for leaving the San Siro.

"For now, I cannot imagine Kaka playing for Manchester City,'' he continued.

"It would be a fantastic contract, yes, but there are other things more important than money. A player wants to be remembered for what he has won.

"Imagine 10 years after you stop playing, you go back, you look around, you are not in any picture, you have no medals, no trophies; it is like you played for nothing.

"You may have a fantastic car, a fantastic home, but what does it matter?

"You can have a contract that is better than your friends, but no player looks back and says: 'I won more money'.''

Agreed. Moving anywhere just for money is nt a way to succeed. Ask 76.

Curva Sud said tonight what they think about it:

Siam venuti fin qua, siam venuti fin qua per vedere segnare KAKAAAAAAAA..... ohohohohohooohhhh

From CHannel 4

arlo Ancelotti believes Kaka had “positive emotions” at San Siro and warns nobody has agreed terms with Manchester City.

“Of course I hope Kaka will stay. He is an important player for us. The situation is still evolving and anything can happen,” said the Milan boss after tonight's 1-0 victory over Fiorentina.

“It's true there has been an important offer for an important player and it is only right we take all the time needed to evaluate it.

“Tonight he had some very positive emotions, as all the Milan supporters showed him great love and affection.

“Did he cry? No, the media are reading things into everything. He was spotted with his suitcase yesterday because he was going into the pre-match ritiro, not for any other reason.”

It is reported the club is pushing Kaka to accept a £108m move to City so that they can cash in, effectively cutting Ancelotti out of the decision making process.

“There is an emotional attachment to this lad who has been here for many years. Professionally speaking I am honoured to train him and will wait to see what happens, but Milan will carry on with or without Kaka.

“For a move to go through we need the consent of the two clubs and the player. So far none of these things have happened.

“If he said no to City, then obviously he would not leave. If he did go then we would be dealing without an important player, so it would certainly prompt a tactical modification, as he has very special characteristics.”

Meanwhile, another Brazilian lit up San Siro, as Alexandre Pato bagged the winner against Fiorentina for his fifth goal in three games.

“Pato is an extraordinary talent who is now finding consistency and clinical finishing. I think he will improve a great deal and consistently score at these levels, as he has immense quality,” continued Ancelotti.

“We played a good first half both in attack and defence, then we just started to focus on too many long balls and that allowed Fiorentina back in.”

David Beckham played most of the game for the second week running and even acted as a trequartista at one point.

“He was very organised and disciplined. He doesn't have full match fitness yet and suffered under Fiorentina's pressure in the second half.

“What I like about him is that he is very disciplined and makes very few mistakes.”

Finally Carlo is showing sign that Kaka wants to stay

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Rick, the reality is that Milan is one of the few, if not the only big team that runs itself with honor and pride. Maybe I am saying this b/c I am a Milan fan but Milan stood for traditions and honor and if Milan is to go ahead to let Kaka goes to Man City, the effect is alot stronger than say, Inter selling Ibra to Man City for the same price, b/c Inter and Ibra are not like Milan and Kaka, esp Kaka who is really one of the last great player who enjoys playing the game and inspire others and not a glory hunter or gold digger like C7.

If this deal do go through, I would not blame Kaka b/c he wants to stay but apparently the team don't. I agree in the economic part of this deal b/c lets face it, you really can't get better than this, having said that this transaction also shows that Milan is no longer a club that have pride and honor. Not only are they letting go the future symbol of the club and football, but they are also selling what they stood for all these years-tradition of Honor and Pride and Sportsmanship before money- in one single transfer.

Regardless of what Milan do afterwards, even if they win 5 CL/Series A/SuperCup/in a row....and be undefeated for the next 5 yrs, my love for Milan will no longer be the same, and I am sure I am not alone in that respect.

I agree with most of what you said, except for the economic aspect of the deal. Like many posters here, the deal initially sounded good to me. I mean, we are selling a great player for over double of the world record fee here. Over the last couple of days, however, I have thought more extensively about the deal and the economic aspect of it no longer sounds that great to me. And here is why.

We get a huge sum of payment up front (is it 120million?), and that is great. Then, we will not win any trophies this season and will most likely miss next year's CL because of this deal. That is a huge economic loss which would wipe out at least half of the 120 million we get from the deal. The decline in club popularity out of this deal worldwide would cause the club to lose a ton of money on merchandise sales and sponsorships. Let's just assume the loss will be in the neighborhood of 30 million (and that is a generous assumption). That brings our total loss to 90 million. If we also take into consideration the loss of ticket sales, then we probably ended up selling Kaka for less than 20 million, and that is without taking into consideration of the intengible loss in popularity. As far as I am concerned, the economic aspect of this deal really isn't as great as the price indicates.

There are also other factors that I am confused about in this deal. The more I read about it online, the more it seems like the media and players believe Kaka will indeed sign with Man City. There are, however, two things I still cannot believe.
First, in this economy, will anyone really be crazy enough to offer that kind of money for one player? Let's face it, with the way the economy is, even Bill Gates no longer has a bottomless wallet. If Man City would pay that kind of money for one player, then they will have to at least splash out at least another 600 million to build a good team. Is the owners of the team really that committed to this team? Even if they are, should the club really be happy about it? The amount of salary and transfer fees they will have to splash out every year will mean that the club will never be able to live without its owners. And the example of Chelsea is right in front of their eyes.
Secondly, did Kaka actually cry in training? I mean, this whole thing can be emotional for everyone, but would Kaka actually cry over it? This is a grown man who has the right to refuse any deal regarding his transfer. Why would he cry over the fact that his cheapass owners are allowing him to move to a different club for a bigger paycheck? Furthermore, why would he still play for this team if he is being forced to leave? This is the part of the whole saga that made everything weird for me.

Kaka: I belong to money. Haha this banner is genius! They should make T-shirts with this written on it. But seriously, I actually thought that Kaka will be the last person to accept this kind of deal. If the transfer happens, I will lose respect for him.
Btw, how did the fans act in tonight's match? I missed it for a reason.

Originally Posted by Milan_Kaka

Kaka: I belong to money. Haha this banner is genius! They should make T-shirts with this written on it. But seriously, I actually thought that Kaka will be the last person to accept this kind of deal. If the transfer happens, I will lose respect for him.
Btw, how did the fans act in tonight's match? I missed it for a reason.

I dont think you know whats going on do you?

Originally Posted by remote2book

I dont think you know whats going on do you?

I mean that if Kaka leaves to Man City it will be for the money. It's not like he's going to achieve anything in the club.

Originally Posted by slifersd

Then, we will not win any trophies this season and will most likely miss next year's CL because of this deal.

Why do you assume that Milan won't finish in a Champions League spot without Kaka? Are the rest of Milan's players such crap that they can't finish ahead of Napoli, Fiorentina, Genoa and Lazio without Kaka? Even if defensive reinforcements are brought in this winter? Is Milan a one-man team? If Milan's success or failure this season rests solely on the shoulders of Kaka, then the future is pretty bleak anyway.

Kaka: Deeply reluctant to join City
• Adviser to Sheikh Mansour rubbishes transfer stories
• Brazilian believed to be keen on staying at Milan



The prospects of Kaká making a world-record January transfer from Milan to Manchester City appeared to be over last night after a highly placed source close to City's owner claimed widespread reports of a £100m bid were "absolutely ridiculous". Kaká himself is also understood to be deeply reluctant to join City – whatever the fee and salary package – unless there is a change of manager.

The adviser to Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, City's billionaire owner, told Observer Sport from Abu Dhabi last night that media coverage of City's offer for the Milan player, plus reported £500,000-a-week wages, was wildly unrealistic – giving credence to growing rumours in Italy that the story has been hyped up by Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi, in an attempt to earn good publicity when no move materialises and Kaká stays at the San Siro. First reports of the "£100m" bid appeared on a website owned by Berlusconi.

"The reports are absolutely ridiculous and so far wide of the mark it's unreal," said the source, who claimed that while contact had been made with Milan, any deal for the former Fifa World Player of the Year would involve an offer nearer to £50m than the reported £100m. "Kaká would command a price around that of previous world-best players. But at the moment it is difficult to pick an exact number."

Luís Figo and Zinedine Zidane, who also won the Fifa award, were bought for £38m and £46m respectively, with the latter figure representing the current world record for a transfer, which was paid by Real Madrid to Juventus for the French midfielder in 2001.

The adviser also claimed that, contrary to reports, negotiations have still to reach an advanced stage for Kaká, that no formal contact has been with the player, and that a defining element of financing any deal would have to include intellectual property rights to make it commercially realistic.

"A hundred million, in pounds or euros, is ridiculous," he said. "It doubles the previous record for a transfer and, in the current economic climate, how could there possibly be a return on that or a salary of £500,000 a-week? You could do so much else with that amount of money. And, whatever happens, there would be no lump sum payment: payments would be over time.

"You have to remember also that the player has not even been spoken to by us – he is simply one of a list that interests Mark Hughes. We merely said, 'Ok, this might be nice.' It's a process like viewing a house. If you like what you see, then you take it on a stage. It should be remembered that Manchester City's owner is an intelligent man. He will not just throw money at anything. And Gary Cook [City chief executive] was formerly at Nike so knows all about intellectual property rights."

David Beckham's lucrative remuneration packages at Real Madrid and Los Angeles Galaxy – he is thought to earn £25m a year at the US club – were financed by earnings from his intellectual property including image rights. Kaká, a devoutly religious man whose highly respectable image has already attracted blockbuster deals with Armani and Adidas, would be sure to generate millions in off-field earnings, which would be a complex part of any proposed deal.

But regardless of the financial obstacles, Kaká's reluctance to join a club of City's stature also appears to have hardened. While City still expect to meet Kaká's father Bosco Leite this week, sources close to the player suggested last night that Kaká would want City to appoint José Mourinho "or a manager of close calibre" to convince him he would be moving to an "appropriate platform", and that City would be capable of rapidly establishing themselves as "one of the best eight teams in the world".

Kaká is in regular contact with Brazil team-mates Robinho and Elano, who have found Hughes hard to work with at Eastlands, the latter complaining publicly about a lack of communication from the manager. Kaká has also told advisers he would not consent to a move from Milan unless the club had a coherent strategy to challenge for the Champions League trophy. The 26-year-old would further seek assurances that Sheikh Mansour will neither lose interest in City and walk away nor significantly reduce his investment in the club, as Roman Abramovich has done at Chelsea.

Kaká's long-term adviser Diogo Kotscho told Observer Sport: "We have to see a good project, a winning project, for any club to be eligible to have a player like Kaká. We have to be convinced that

Manchester City can turn themselves – in the short term – into one of the best eight teams in the world."

Bringing Mourinho to Manchester would help, and City are understood to have made moves in that direction. According to one of the former Chelsea manager's closest advisers, the sheikh's representatives contacted Mourinho's camp shortly after their September takeover to offer him the City job with immediate effect. Mourinho swiftly rejected a proposal that would have doubled his already lucrative salary at Internazionale. He has, however, monitored City's progress since and such is his desire to return to English football has not ruled out the possibility of joining them next season.

Mourinho's conditions would be similar to Kaká's – the promise of a front-seat role in a "very great project" coupled with a financial offer that would be extremely difficult to resist. Even the combination of both, however, are not guaranteed to bring City success in the pursuit of the pair with the political turmoil at Real Madrid another significant complication.

Ramon Calderon's resignation as Real president over allegations of vote rigging has opened the path for candidates for the post to base their election campaign around the pursuit of Kaká. The player himself would prefer a move to Madrid, Manchester United or Chelsea –should Abramovich resolve his financial difficulties.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ter-city-milan

Here's another that kind of throws cold water all over the "goodbye hug" theory...

AC Milan players expect Kaka to stay

32 minutes ago


By PA SportsTicker

AC Milan star Kaka has not played his last game for the club, according to his teammates.

With Manchester City hoping to pull off a world record transfer before the end of the month, speculation over the Brazilian’s future is rampant, but Saturday’s appearance in a 1-0 win against Fiorentina may not be the last time the Rossoneri faithful get to see Kaka in their colors.

According to coach Carlo Ancelotti, Kaka still has a long-term future with the club.

“Kaka has played lots of decisive games for Milan and I think he will figure in a lot more,” he said.

Kaka’s teammates also feel he will be sticking around, at least until the summer.

“I would be surprised if he left,” teammate Clarence Seedorf said. “I don’t think he has made up his mind yet, but it would surprise me if he left us in January.”

David Beckham has only just joined the Serie A club and admits he would like to get to know Kaka a bit better over the next two months before he returns to the Los Angeles Galaxy of Major League Soccer.

“He’s a great lad and it’s great to play in the team with him,” he said. “He is one of the best players in the world and it is obvious that the best players are always the focus of speculation.

“But he loves Italy and he loves Milan. I don’t think he will leave.”

Milan have reportedly agreed to let Kaka hear what City has to offer, but Beckham still expects Kaka to follow his heart.

Given the reception the Brazilian had on Saturday, with 65,000 voices calling on him to stay and pleading with the club not to sell him, Beckham is not too worried about City’s advances.

“I don’t think anybody in the dressing room is thinking about how much money they can earn,” the England international said. “It’s about playing with the best team with the best players in the world and winning trophies and it’s not always about money.

“Riccardo doesn’t need my advice. He will decide what he wants to do, but he loves Milan.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slu...v=st&type=lgns

Telegraph:


Kaka's Manchester City deal to spark AC Milan raid on Premier League
AC Milan will use the £103 million they expect to receive from Manchester City for Kaka to make a series of raids on the Premier League and thoroughly restructure their ageing squad.


By Duncan White and Rory Smith
Last Updated: 10:52PM GMT 17 Jan 2009
Kaka move could spark Premier League raid from AC Milan
Cash flow: Kaka move could spark Premier League raid from AC Milan Photo: GETTY IMAGES

Top of their list of targets are the Arsenal pair Emmanuel Adebayor and Gael Clichy, with Milan prepared to part with close to £40 million to bring them to the San Siro. Inadvertently, City will turn the Milan club into a powerful Premier League predator.

Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, lost Mathieu Flamini to Milan in the summer and the Italian club have been keen on bringing Adebayor and Clichy to the San Siro after Arsenal so impressively eliminated them from the Champions League last season.

But City manager Mark Hughes said last night there was still some way to go to complete the proposed world-record deal for Kaka. “There’s plans to speak to his father because he is his main adviser so at some point that meeting has to take place,” Hughes said.

“It’s not a simple transfer. It’s not a case of talking to the club, then talking to the boy and getting the deal done in 24 or 48 hours. If it is to be completed it will be very complex because there are so many elements to it.”

Crucially Silvio Berlusconi, the Milan owner, has made it clear it will be “very difficult” to keep the Brazilian at the club and compared his situation with that of Andrei Shevchenko before he moved to Chelsea in the summer of 2006. “Nothing is decided yet but it is very difficult to ask someone to stay and respect his contract when he has been offered such a huge amount of money,” Berlusconi said.

While losing Kaka will hurt Milan, it will allow the club to revitalise an ageing squad. The cash from the projected deal would be used to secure the £8.5 million signing of Liverpool’s Daniel Agger and, if sources close to the club are to be believed, Chelsea’s unsettled centre-back Alex.

The deal will also be good news for David Beckham, who is on loan at Milan, as should the Kaka deal go through, the club will increase their efforts to secure the former captain, whose global profile will help limit the impact of losing a sponsors’ favourite.

Sources in Milan suggested the club will also use the cash to move for Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon of Juventus — a long-standing City target himself — as well as doing some refurbishing work on their San Siro stadium.

The pursuit of Kaka has not prevented City making moves for other targets. They are favourites to sign Craig Bellamy from West Ham and Steve Bruce hinted yesterday that they are also interested in signing his Wigan player Wilson Palacios.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...er-League.html

Galliani: Kaka solves credit crunch
Sunday 18 January, 2009
Milan general manager Adriano Galliani was verbally abused by angry fans, but explains why he would never have sold Kaka a year ago and is now reconsidering.

“Milan and Kaka have not signed anything with Manchester City. As for me, I have the same feelings as the fans and love this club, but as general manager I have to keep sentiment and reasoning together.

“I believe a football club should live off its own resources and not a magnate, as when the patron is no longer able or willing to spend immense sums, things can crumble.”

Galliani was in the stands for Saturday night’s 1-0 win over Fiorentina and at half-time had to be protected by stewards as hoards of furious supporters shouted abuse and waved cash at the transfer guru.

He had said a year ago when Real Madrid made a record-breaking offer that he did not want to be remembered as the man who sold Kaka.

With £108m on the table Galliani is now apparently willing to accept that fate in the Rossoneri history books.

“Nothing has happened to push him towards Manchester. We are in a particularly difficult time with financial problems all over the world and those spread to football.

“What has changed from a year ago? Quite simply, the world is worth half of what it was. Things have changed.”

At the final whistle, all the Milan players took turns to hug Kaka in what felt increasingly like a farewell.

The banners at San Siro ranged from ‘Ricky, grow old with us’ and ‘This is your home’ to insults against the club.

Newspapers have suggested a shopping list with the £108m, including Emmanuel Adebayor, Gael Clichy and Michael Essien, but Galliani warned the money would not be splashed out.

“It is impossible to replace Kaka and there is no point getting a second-rate player. If he leaves then we would go on without him, but Kaka has not left yet.”

“There is no point making hypotheses over what Milan would do with the money, now we have to consider what to do.

“There are debts and they have to be paid. I think a virtuous club should cover its expenses with its own income.

“Unfortunately football is built in a certain way so now you cannot carry on without the cheques from a patron, as other clubs keep on raising the financial bar.”

Milan’s money comes from patron Silvio Berlusconi, but as he has been elected Prime Minister of Italy, he cannot direct so many resources to the side.

Galliani seemed tired and down after the 1-0 victory and emerged to hundreds of fans chanting slogans against his administration.

“No, it will not be an easy night for me, nor will those to come.”


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