Winter Mercato

Originally Posted by Reza

I agree with you Ghost. But there is one inconsistency here, not in what you say, but in general.
For example:
-We get 100 mil and buy Messi, are we a better team? I wouldn't say so, I don't have anything against Messi, but Kaka out Messi in is not that big of an upgrade even IF Messi is better than Kaka.
-Kaka out, top forward mid AND top defender in. Maybe one can argue that we have addressed several areas with one sale, but even then the gains on balance are less than they could be.

My point is that unless it is purely Kaka's wishes then even spending all of the money received in not a guarantee of improvement. And anyway we all know the chances of spending all we receive is not high.

The problem is not whether we will be better off using all of that money another one or a few players to replace Kaka. The situation here is that if we spend that money on second rated players like we have been the last five or six years, then we will be a lot worse off. If the Shevchenko transfer was any indication, then we should realize that this management simply will not bring in suitable replacement for Kaka even if we do sell him for 120 million. To me, guys like C Ronaldo, Messi and maybe even Ribery are suitable replacements that make us at least as good as we were before the sale, but you know that even with 120 million, we will not get any of them.

In this whole saga, Kaka has not been the one who demanded to leave but rahter it is the management that are tempted by the big check Man City is waving in their faces. Even if Kaka doesn't want to leave (and who here actually believe that Kaka would choose Man City over Milan), the management could still force him into leaving because they are just that greedy. Given the scenario that the management is successful in selling Kaka, we simply have to prepare ourselves for what comes after. We have to have suitable replacements in place for Kaka's departure. And knowing our management, we will repeat what happened with Shevchenko once again.

Originally Posted by Nordahl

Hmmm... yep, that does really ring a bell.

lol... and guess what he is now on our bench!

can any1 please remind me why sheva left ? it's not rhetorical question, it's a real question, i really can't remember was it just for money, or?? and did sheva said: i wanna leave, or did milan say: we dont want sheva ?

i can't remember :S

Originally Posted by bLOND !-,-!

can any1 please remind me why sheva left ? it's not rhetorical question, it's a real question, i really can't remember was it just for money, or?? and did sheva said: i wanna leave, or did milan say: we dont want sheva ?

i can't remember :S

he left cuze he wanted to learn english

nobody knows the exact reason, but most people seem to agree that it's his wife who wanted him to move.

Wouldn't be surprised if he had conflict with Carlo as well.

You guys should not be mad at Galli, b/c the more he talks about Kaka and how Milan can't hold on to him, the more I am convince Kaka will stay. Esp when he said how the MGT should be respected.........
Think about it, after the signing of Dinho and Beck with all the publicity and fireworks, selling Kaka will be a huge step backward in terms of marketing.
TO be honest, if you want to talk about the business side of football, it is no longer people coming in to the stadium, it has more to do with TV deals, sponsor deals and commerical deals. Imagine what Addias will do if Milan sell Kaka, they will probably cut 30% of its sponsorship with Milan. I know these Sports companies and Clubs have a clause that they both can freely re-negoiate the deal with each transfer-as my friend works for legal in one of these companies.

Anyhow, Kaka is staying

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Anyhow, Kaka is staying

Yes, come on, lets think positive , Kaka is staying ...

It's very hard to think positive when you imagine Kaka` in Man CITY... I mean ok if Man Utd pays $100M for him and he goes, at least I feel OK for Kaka` beacuse that's a good place where he ends up.

But Man City, a place with no glory in the past, no history, no nothing?

And this Man City boss who is fighting relegation says, "Kaka` will be impressed by the project?"

If this is not non-sense, what is?

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And who is the victim of the whole thing, again, in this deja vu? We can well already predict. Kaka` is not going to perform as well, then Man City lost interest in him, then eventually sell him, either back to Milan (where it will be difficult for him to catch up with his glory) or to some unknown Spanish team, and it will take a long time for Kaka` to regain his fitness, if ever.

Everything from starts to scratch: that makes sense; the only problem is odds are against him because not all other clubs are willing to give up their star players, even with such a large sum.

Milan may ahve just stick to its policy: no one, NO SINGLE ONE, is bigger than the team, not even Kaka`. I think I truly learn a lesson, but it remains to be seen why Kaka` is sold.

It's very hard to think positive when you imagine Kaka` in Man CITY... I mean ok if Man Utd pays $100M for him and he goes, at least I feel OK for Kaka` beacuse that's a good place where he ends up.

But Man City, a place with no glory in the past, no history, no nothing?

And this Man City boss who is fighting relegation says, "Kaka` will be impressed by the project?"

If this is not non-sense, what is?

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And who is the victim of the whole thing, again, in this deja vu? We can well already predict. Kaka` is not going to perform as well, then Man City lost interest in him, then eventually sell him, either back to Milan (where it will be difficult for him to catch up with his glory) or to some unknown Spanish team, and it will take a long time for Kaka` to regain his fitness, if ever.

Everything from starts to scratch: that makes sense; the only problem is odds are against him because not all other clubs are willing to give up their star players, even with such a large sum.

Milan may ahve just stick to its policy: no one, NO SINGLE ONE, is bigger than the team, not even Kaka`. I think I truly learn a lesson, but it remains to be seen why Kaka` is sold.

yes there is so much rumors and hypes but I disappointed because Club Administration didn't react like a big Club... they should be very clear to their fans about the matter. Yes if the Player want to leave, thats okay. they should acquire 2 or 3 good player, that may not fill kaka vacuum but will balance the squad.. i.e: Micheal Essien: very good defensive as well as attacking midfielder, a good Goal keeper ( Bolton Jussi Jaaskelainen will be good choice).. but Adriano Galliani claimed AC Milan will not replace Kaka if he moves to Manchester City.. strange isn't it.

From the Kaka prospective; for what reason he would be Man City player. He is in his prime which could not last more than three years, so if he leave to Man city, I don't think he will be winning any thing left alone personal achievements. Man city could will be relegated this season and will not seem to play CL in next five years. Look how good player Robinho was at Real, but he didn’t change any thing in City, nor he look that dangerous as he was. Also remember what Pele said when Robinho move to City, that “ He need Counseling” .

It would be disaster decision for such footballing genius (Kaka), I would really regret if he chose to……….

I agree with you all. For one thing dropping Kaka into the current City squad will probably not improve their performance. Most of the players are already marginalised and demoralised by the realisation that they will be off at the end of the season and it is difficult to perform well in that state of mind.

they need more defenders, a holding midfielder, and more strikers before Kaka, and concentrating too much on him could result in their failing to reinforce to fight the drop. It is this myopic and superficial mindset of theirs I am most worried about.

England press are too many, one say the deal is dead, another say Kaka cried b/c he felt betrayed by Milan, then another say the deal is 99%, then another quoted Hughes saying we must do anything to get Kaka,.... and go on and on and on.

To be honest, I believe Kaka will stay at the end, if not, I would really hate Berlu and Galli for doing this, as this is the worst I have seen them. Bad transfer and giving out stupid contract is one thing but selling the symbol of the club is another.
With the exception of City fans, the whole world is against this idea and believe Berlu and Galli are stupid in selling Kaka.

I guess Bayern's director was right, saying Milan is a circus.

Then again, I do believe Kaka will stay at the end.

I hope you are right. As you all know, it is not unusual for Milan to remain silent until something is decided. Every time it has been like this. The press report we DEFINITELY sold him, and Berlusconi comes out from hiding with a beaming smile telling us "Kaka is staying, now love me more". Normally by that time most of us have become unhinged.

Exactly Daryl, thats why I think Berlu and Galli are very old school where FACE to them is more important than money. I remembered during the summer, I was telling people here that, we are all going to be mad at them for not signing him and only sigining second grade players, then at the end they will sign one superstar and we all will be thanking them....but the fact is, that superstar is not what Milan needs. And guess what happened, they did just that.

by now you should have learned that we don't have to trust anything from the admin. It's anyway too much of a top secret to review what youare trying to do in the public. I think they made a good decision of not speaking too much.

yes - I do think the whole world thinks is a bad idea, but what if:

1) It solves Milan's financial problem?
2) It allows Milan the finanicla ability to reinvest in several world-class players?
3) If not selling Kaka` means Milan has to give a higher wage to Kaka` which will add unfairness to the team?

IT's hard to tell who is right and wrong, but one thing is certain. Should Kaka` move, the only real winner seems to be, no one.