Ricardo Kaka Thread

Originally Posted by Ryo

I believe the Italians. The English like to make stuff up to sell their newspapers or to make themselves look good. The Spanish too.... did you guys see the crap they were spewing about 'Becks telling a friend, who told the SPANISH newspapers, that Kaka was signing for Madrid in the summer'? Utter bull$hit.

I agree. I think it's likely to be another rubbish from Marca. How could anybody get so intimate in just over a month or so? Something like this only happens between friends who know each other since childhood. But again, the story is so badly made at least it is comical, I think.

BTW I think you might hear soon that Seedorf said Kaka might leave in June.
Seedorf said two days ago on Sky that he was quite sceptical of Kaka's departure from Milan either way, but especially in this January. But he casually added, "maybe in June..but not now.." He wasn't implying Kaka would leave. He was implying IF KAKA EVER leaves, it would be in June. It's very likely he said the similar thing on the BBC radio and his words were taken out of context by other journalists. I would ignore it completely.

Along those lines there is a story on soccernet that Beckham 'told a friend' that Kaka will go to Madrid in the summer.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...europe&cc=5901

No chance the media will stop publishing stuff.

lol, the media are funny, ... that is not LOGICAL, beckham statement and kaka's statement are totally different, .... i dont understan how does media think that someone would believe them ? maybe a 7 year-old kid only

Of all the stories As invented so far about Kaka, this Beckham one must be the dumbest.
I can understand Real peoples' urge. No matter how much they try, they just can not give up capturing Kaka. But if they wanted to fabricate a story, they should have waited a tad longer, because it just sounds too ridiculous right now. Then again it is As.

Originally Posted by bLOND !-,-!

lol, the media are funny, ... that is not LOGICAL, beckham statement and kaka's statement are totally different, .... i dont understan how does media think that someone would believe them ? maybe a 7 year-old kid only

don't you think that, maybe, maybe in reality As is created and read exclusively by children. I think that makes sense.

I think there is no doubt that ultras helped Kaka stay.
Does this mean their influence will hugely increase?
What is the implication of this, do you think?

Originally Posted by daryl

don't you think that, maybe, maybe in reality As is created and read exclusively by children. I think that makes sense.

No !!
It's just that everybody doesn't go on Internet like you do or I do or everyone here does to be aware of his favourite team ...

So the most sensationnal that looks, more people buying it !! And of course, they try to write, at least sometimes, what Real Madrid fans want to read ...

Here is what I think happened:

1) City came to Milan with an offer
2) Bosco brought the obscene wages to Milan's attention
3) Berlusconi, tired of giving Kaka raises upon raises (understandably), said, ok talk to Kaka.
4) Berlu knew that Kaka' would not sign onto Football Club Oblivion
5) Berlu then told the media (this is very important) that Kaka would not turn down such a raise (not, like Galliani said, that Milan needed the money)
6) Kaka' realizing that it would be indeed morally and sportively repugnant to go to City played his part in the farce
7) All hugged.
8) Berlusconi sent a message to everyone in the team and other clubs that asking for raises every time a club like City come knocking is not going to fly.




9) Robinho threw his toys out of the pram, did 10 stepovers over them, and flew to Brazil to enjoy the finer transvestites in life
10) City fans who had been flaming Milan forums realized that City were still Citeh, a damning tautology that bestows upon them darkness and Bellamy.

As for the other fears surrounding Real...I see Kaka' retiring with us now (God willing).

AS also published an entirely fabricated convo between Berlu and Kaka' (in 2007, I think).

AS is considered a joke in Spain.

Oh ye of little faith..

I said many a time that Kaka will not leave, and it feels damn effin good to be right!!

Forza Milan, Forza Kaka. Kaka captain from next season and legend forever!!

Originally Posted by K77SH C

Oh ye of little faith..

I said many a time that Kaka will not leave, and it feels damn effin good to be right!!

Forza Milan, Forza Kaka. Kaka captain from next season and legend forever!!

I already paid homage to you; did you see?

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

I already paid homage to you; did you see?

Ha no? Il have a seasrch through now lol I actually checked the news on my phone last night and have been gagging to come back and post my delight here. Kaka has found a place my heart now.

Ah I found your post Hasan, its the first time I have been right about anything, but what a time to be right lol

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

I think Berlu and Galliani played the media and Man City (who clearly were serious with their offer) to make themselves heroes.

Are you really sure Man City offer were serious? Think just a moment. If you say that you are full of money, that you are going to break the market , why don't you go to Inter for Maicon and Adriano, or to Juve for Buffon, or to Arsenal for Fabregas, to Valencia for Villa, exactly at the same moment in which you are going to AC Milan for Kakà? I ask: why only Kakà, why this stupid strategy? Don't you realize that Kakà is not like Robinho? Man City is not a top team yet, so they aren't able to attract the stars. Imo, the last buy has to be Kaka. Kaka buy should be the last, and the acquisitions already done are made in order to convince him to sign for a strong team. If your money pipe is open, I would see this kind of market, not De Jong or Bellamy. I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but this is the reason that makes me think Man City Cook is not so serious, otherwise he is an incapable beginner.
Probably a lot of kicks in the arse from the sheik, here the future for Gary and Hughes .
In the end, both of them are the losers in this story.
While among Berlu Kakà and Milan fans love is come back ...
I have to say, the psicho gnome is tremendous in these situations.
There are some aspects of this affair that sound so strange, imo. And Man City role is one of these

How the world's biggest transfer fell apart

Garry Cook, Manchester City's executive chairman, has criticised Milan after the £91m Kaka saga ended in dismay

* Daniel Taylor
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o Daniel Taylor
o The Guardian, Wednesday 21 January 2009
o Article history

Kaka

From start to finish the Kaka transfer saga took 34 days. Photograph: Koichi Kamoshida/Getty Images

From start to finish, the whole process took 34 days. It was 15 December when Manchester City's executive chairman, Garry Cook, first made contact with Milan. "I'll come out with this straight away," he said over the phone to Adriano Galliani, the club's vice-president. "We want your best player and I'm ringing up to see how much you want for him."

Galliani listened and said he would speak to Silvio Berlusconi, the *president. Later that day, a fax came through to Cook's office. It was signed by Galliani and told him Kaka was available if City "delivered the sum of 200 million". Cook jokingly faxed back: "Is that lira?"

The important thing was that Milan were willing to do business. Cook reported the breakthrough to Sheikh Mansour, the club's owner, and Mark Hughes, the *manager. A six-man team, including three lawyers, was put together, and so began the exhaustive process of trying to conclude perhaps the most audacious transfer of all time. So where did it all go wrong and how did it reach the stage that City should get their fingers burned so badly?

Those are questions that Cook was still asking himself yesterday as he and Simon Pearce, Sheikh Mansour's personal envoy, tried to make sense of it all. It has been a chastening experience and has led to concerns about Robinho's future in Manchester, and Cook did not mince his words. "They bottled it," he says of Milan. "We weren't naive. It was just that the world we entered into was unprofessional. We engaged a lot of professional people to take care of this deal. But it was all a bit too sophisticated for Milan."

Milan have been on their own PR *offensive, of course. According to the *Italians, the decision was purely Kaka's and he chose to turn down City because he could not bear the idea of leaving San Siro. Kaka himself has said it "took only 30 seconds to make up my mind".

Cook's is a very different take. "We never met the player and we simply didn't make an offer [of personal terms] to Kaka," he said. "All of which makes it difficult for us to swallow the suggestion that he rejected Manchester City. There was nothing to reject."

What we can say for certain is that it is a lesson in the complexities of what it is like to negotiate the transfer of a *genuine superstar and the minefield of legalities, politics, agents, interpreters and egos.

City, for instance, have documents to show that, by the time the transfer window opened on 1 January, a fee had been agreed for the Brazilian. Milan had slashed their initial asking price to £91m, to be paid in five instalments. A confidentiality agreement had been signed and the vibes were so positive Hughes, had gone as far as planning a new 4–1–4–1 formation, with Kaka playing in his best position as an advanced central midfielder.

By the time Cook boarded a private jet back to Manchester after the first face-to-face talks between himself, other high-ranking City officials and the Milan hierarchy, he and his colleagues were in a celebratory mood. "They [Milan] had made it quite clear that they wanted to sell their prize possession to us," he claims.

But this was only the first part of what Cook calls "a three-stage process" and it is the second phase where it gets increasingly complicated.

First, the story was leaked. Cook blames Milan for this, although various people at the City end may have been loose-lipped, too. Either way, it meant a flood of protests in Milan and, by the time Cook's team arrived in the city on Monday to meet Galliani and Bosco Leite, Kaka's father and agent, there were thousands of fans on the streets. "After that, the pressure was building on Milan," says Cook. "There was political pressure on Milan and supporter pressure. You could feel that pressure on the senior executives. The confidentiality should never have been broken."

Even so, City remained optimistic. They had been led to believe that Kaka was keen to come and excited about their plans. City, in turn, were prepared to make him the highest paid footballer in the world. But first – and this is really the crux – they wanted to do due diligence on the player's contract and commercial income.

"You like to know what you are getting before you make your offer to the player," Cook says. "We were trying to run through a professional process to understand. Kaka has a number of sponsors and complex agreements and inside those agreements are clauses that could affect the needs of his sponsors. That part had to be agreed before we could get to offering personal terms with the player. But his representatives simply didn't want to get to the complexities and the sophistication of the second stage."

City's representatives asked Bosco if they could look at his son's financial documents and the complexities of his different sponsorship agreements. "No," they were allegedly told. "Not even Milan get to see them." Cook says: "They just didn't get where we were coming from."

Kaka, City did establish, earns £12m a year after tax with a further £7m-8m from commercial revenue. Cook was once in charge of the Michael Jordan brand at Nike, estimated he could increase Kaka's endorsements 10-fold. "But all they wanted was to talk about salary and compensation for the player. They simply couldn't answer the questions."

The talks lasted seven hours and ended with an agreement that they would meet again the following morning and then arrange a further meeting in London. Yet Cook had picked up bad vibes when he spoke to Galliani in private. "He [Galliani] said his life had changed since the story had come out," says Cook. "He had had to move offices and employ protection.

"What really set the alarm bells ringing was that he also said they had already figured out with Kaka that they would come out with a joint statement saying they were pleased to say he was staying. They clearly had a strategy in place."

Everything came to a head when Cook received a call in the departure lounge at Linate airport. The man on the line was Alberto Zilani, a translator for Kaka's father, Bosco. There was, in Pearce's words, a "sudden change in emphasis".

According to Pearce, it was put to City that they needed to let Bosco know exactly what salary Kaka would earn, and that if they did not do it immediately the deal was in jeopardy. "There was a requirement for much more speed and a much greater focus on cash," he says. "Garry's response was that's not the way we wanted to conduct the talks and we would have to terminate the discussions there."

Cook went to ring Hughes to break the bad news. Milan, meanwhile, went into overdrive. "Garry got the telephone call at 11.03pm," says Pearce. "Within eight minutes Mr Berlusconi had called the most popular live television show in Italy and said, 'I have great news for you. Kaka has rejected the offer'. Then, suddenly, Kaka is out on his balcony waving to the Milan fans. They had got everything covered."

The meeting took place at the offices of Milan's lawyers and Cook felt that City were unwelcome. "We were confined to a room with no food or drink. We were starving by the time it finished. They gave us a cup of coffee so it would be unfair to say there was nothing. But the hospitality wasn't the finest. It was interesting to see how they worked. The dynamics of it were strange, very unnerving. It wasn't a place we would want to be in."

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guardian (independent pretty much has the same thing)

I must say this story is more believable than the stuff Berlusconi has been trying to sell us. After the euphoria subsided for me (an hour ago), it does seem there is more to this.

On the other hand, Galliani and Berlu could come up with a similar story, and it could sound just as plausible (even allowing for the fact that it would be them uttering it).