Summer mercato 2009

To me results come first, then we can complain about flair and style....If the end of the day, the team is not getting the 3 pts, it is useless if their passing rate was over 90% and the build up was amazing.....

As for the Kaka and B32 comparsions, I think ever since B32 came to Milan and Kaka getting injured, people are beginning to praise B32 more.
Now I am not saying B32 is not a good player b/c he is but he is nothing close to Kaka even when he was at his prime.

Latest from management: Beckham can play til he's 40. My God, how far are they going to go with this nonsense?

Oh, and Rick, welcome back, I dont think we've "spoken" since Milan bought Oliveira!

And Milan can play in Series C till 2040.

Originally Posted by mrki

Mourinho sucks totally, he was only 111 home games in a row without a loss. What a prick, we dont need that. We need nice guys... Boring dont be offended, its not a joke on your account.

And I will send you some suggestions on PM about your question you asked me in there.

No offence taken. I have a higher tolerance level than certain others on the forum. But seriously, are people supporting Mourinho willing to take everything that comes with it?

1. Deliberate attempts at cheating (diving, play acting, faking injuries, mis-behaviour on the field). It's plain clear to me that he encourages his players to do that.
2. A manager who is going to isolate Milan with his disrespectful attitude towards his peers and other clubs.
3. Who'd make Milan an arrogant and universally hated club (Chelsea and Inter are).
4. A man who destroys the beauty of the game with his dull style of play.

I don't know about you and others Mrki but honesty and the beauty of the sport are the 2 most important reasons why I still watch the sport. Otherwise I would watch EPL rather than Serie A. I don't say other don't cheat but i dislike them all universally (especially those who cheat as a policy).

The levels of cheating have gone up in the EPL during and after Mourinho's reign (ofcourse these days cheating is acceptable so it's the sign of the times). Drogba even came out openly and said Mourinho doesn't discourage diving. The previous ManYoo and Pool generation didn't cheat but they all do now whereas the cheating levels have gone down at Chelsea after Mourinho left.

There are plenty of other managers who aren't lacking in these areas.. maybe we should try to get them before going for this cheat.

No matter how good a manager is, if he's not honest to the game, he'll never be my target.

PM, Nihilism, Sadism.. waiting keenly.

P.S. - players at Milan (Kaka and Pato) also dive once in a while but they are acts of desperation rather than deliberated attempts.

great lecture from the famous Ulyanov

goal.com says we are after vidic.what a great news,but It looks like a mission minimal possible to me.

Way to Go Boring. We are on the same lines of thinking abot football. People like Mourinho only values winning, irrespective of how it's done. For me a a great coach is a great person, and operates on Principles. Unfortunately not many in football have Principles.

I think we will end up with Lucio and thats about it

boring: Pippo is probably the biggest cheater that football has ever known with all these off sides and non existing penalties he scored or gained and yet all milan fans love the guy because he brings them good reesults.
and about being arrogant and universily hated club, Milan is not very popular at the moment not because of arrogance but bad results and aging players in the squad.
so if we talk about cheating Milan cheats ( Calciopoly and Pippo & Gila's behaviours)
and if we talk about popularity we are not popular as well and if we talk about boring football no one can say that Milan is playing beatiful football at the moment nor in the past 2 year.
so think of it all Mourinho's defects apart form arrogance already exist in Milan plus bad results as will.
given choice I'd rather the special one's defects over Carlo's ones.

All players win offsides and penalties which they don't deserve. If a player corrects the referee then he certainly goes up a notch respect-vise. Pippo unlike Cronaldo, Gerrard, Drogba etc doesn't go to ground and doesn't try to get other players booked by rolling in the ground for no reason. Inzaghi barely represents the "cheater" in the game, he only takes advantages of the flaws in the game. That's as bad the tugging which all defenders do which go unnoticed by the ref. It's not the same as cheating.

Dont talk about isolated incidents man (or woman if you are one). Gila doved shamelessly at times but he doesn't represent all players at Milan.

Boring football? When teams are in a bad patch (which we are right now) we will play sh*t football but it's not the same as a team like Chelsea who play like crap no whether they're winning or losing.

Milan are not an unpopular club (whatever gave you that idea?). Having old player and bad results doesn't give you negative popularity, it just doesn't get any positive one. Our players (Maldini, Seedorf, Pirlo, Kaka, besides others) and even our coach are universally respected who are known to be largely fair, honest in their approach to the game. How many clubs in the clubs can boast of this?

The reason we might disliked is because of our ownership. That's probably it. My best friend is a life-long Juve fan but he doesn't dislike Milan as much he hates Inter.

I fully disagree about Pippo he goes down whenever a player touches him, his weak phisically and he know it so he turned it to an advantage by winning penalties he does what Gila used to do at Milan the difference here is that Gila did stupidly while Inzagi does it intelligently and by the way don't forget the Calciopoly.
About boring football: I was just talking about the last 2 year, I know for sure that Milan used to play the best football in the past, all what I wanted to say is that we play bad football and lose while Inter and Chelsea play bad football but get fantastic results so they are in much better situation, if we can play boring football and win I don't mind because a win is a win and if we can win with fantastic football then it's better of course but losing with bad football! I don't want to comment on it.
About popularity, once more I am talking about at the moment not in general, when your squad consisits of old underperforming stars not even mentioning our president then it does not help, but you have a fair point about Milan's poupularity to be honest.
and about your friend I am a huge Milan fan and yet I like Juventus soooooooooooooo much my second favourit club after Milan so this doesn't prove any thing.
I don't want to provoke a fight or arguements with any one so take it easy.

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

boring: Pippo is probably the biggest cheater that football has ever known with all these off sides and non existing penalties he scored or gained and yet all milan fans love the guy because he brings them good reesults.
and about being arrogant and universily hated club, Milan is not very popular at the moment not because of arrogance but bad results and aging players in the squad.
so if we talk about cheating Milan cheats ( Calciopoly and Pippo & Gila's behaviours)
and if we talk about popularity we are not popular as well and if we talk about boring football no one can say that Milan is playing beatiful football at the moment nor in the past 2 year.
so think of it all Mourinho's defects apart form arrogance already exist in Milan plus bad results as will.
given choice I'd rather the special one's defects over Carlo's ones.

hany with all due respect, but nothing of what you said makes sense, milan were framed into calciopoli. Football is a matter of taste just like food, am not carlos' biggest fan but why do you people over shadowing carlo for the sake of an arrogant lucky coach?

Since you guys been complaining so much about ancelotti : Name one coach who can make milan win with the current selection? let us face it we are a finished team we have an average team so why you are asking for scudetto and uefa cup?

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

I fully disagree about Pippo he goes down whenever a player touches him, his weak phisically and he know it so he turned it to an advantage by winning penalties he does what Gila used to do at Milan the difference here is that Gila did stupidly while Inzagi does it intelligently and by the way don't forget the Calciopoly.
About boring football: I was just talking about the last 2 year, I know for sure that Milan used to play the best football in the past, all what I wanted to say is that we play bad football and lose while Inter and Chelsea play bad football but get fantastic results so they are in much better situation, if we can play boring football and win I don't mind because a win is a win and if we can win with fantastic football then it's better of course but losing with bad football! I don't want to comment on it.
About popularity, once more I am talking about at the moment not in general, when your squad consisits of old underperforming stars not even mentioning our president then it does not help, but you have a fair point about Milan's poupularity to be honest.
and about your friend I am a huge Milan fan and yet I like Juventus soooooooooooooo much my second favourit club after Milan so this doesn't prove any thing.
I don't want to provoke a fight or arguements with any one so take it easy.

When you said 'boring' I got confused whether it's about football or in reference to me!

All I'm saying is that Milan is still quite popular among neutrals and that will go if we get Mourinho (besides other things). Would you honestly like to see an honest man like Kaka being coached by a man like him? I certainly wouldn't. He belongs at Inter and maybe at Liverpool. Not clubs like Milan and Arsenal that don't play boring long ball game and are relatively honest (Gila and Eboue apart).

P.S. - I'm glad me and my nemisis Lebanese agree on something.

Originally Posted by Tony75

For me a a great coach is a great person, and operates on Principles. Unfortunately not many in football have Principles.

Talking bout Principles, hmm.. i can consider you as a great milan fan cause most important persons in milan have tough principles.
Our owner Berlu so has faith on Galliani to lead this club. Then Galliani with so much trust on Carlo to coached team. The last one so loyal with his man like seedorf, etc to conduct team on pitch.

well, is it all you meant Tony ?
forgive me if i got wrong

Since you guys been complaining so much about ancelotti : Name one coach who can make milan win with the current selection? let us face it we are a finished team we have an average team so why you are asking for scudetto and uefa cup?

our current selection is Carlo's fault, he let Gorcky go because he belived that both Emerson and Brocchi are better than him, then start making stupid comment about how he could prove him self and weak menatlity and so on, plays ambrosini while he has Falmini who is much better and younger then Ambro, never almost destroyed Gila's & Hennry's career and was about to do the same with Pato but luckly Borillo was injured, made Italy's best fullback looks like a fool (watch Oddo with Lazio and bayern then compare it with Milan) not to mention some average players like Oliver, Borillo, foggia, who offer nothing to Milan with him and looked immense with some other clubs