Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by boring

2. A manager who is going to isolate Milan with his disrespectful attitude towards his peers and other clubs.
3. Who'd make Milan an arrogant and universally hated club (Chelsea and Inter are).

Actually, there is two points of view:
- Mourinho is excellent in terms of communication (his Inter doesn't play well, some players under-perform nowadays, but who is in all headlines ? Mourinho ... so no pressure on the players), and so he could have been a big friend of Galliani and Berlu ...
- Mourinho is like you said, very arrogant, and he could have gone in only one club in Italy: Inter.

Isn't Inter the Italian equivalent of Chelsea ?
They have a better history, but their best trophies are so old than nobody remembers and a lot of people for example in France think that Inter exists since the 2000s and is strong since 2005 ...

Anyway, what I quoted is approximately the reason why I didn't want him in Milan ... not because he's a bad coach, but because even if his communication is perfect for the players, it isn't for the club and especially for a club like ours.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

I think we will end up with Lucio and thats about it

I wouldn't say no if we take Lucio (or Vidic or whoever of this level) ... will we take another CD after this purchase ? It's the question, because we would still need another one.

Anyway, could you explain me why you think so much that Lucio will be ours after this summer ?

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

our current selection is Carlo's fault, he let Gorcky go because he belived that both Emerson and Brocchi are better than him, then start making stupid comment about how he could prove him self and weak menatlity and so on, plays ambrosini while he has Falmini who is much better and younger then Ambro, never almost destroyed Gila's & Hennry's career and was about to do the same with Pato but luckly Borillo was injured, made Italy's best fullback looks like a fool (watch Oddo with Lazio and bayern then compare it with Milan) not to mention some average players like Oliver, Borillo, foggia, who offer nothing to Milan with him and looked immense with some other clubs

Again and again and again this Gourcuff-Ancelotti ... what the coach said about him last week is clear and it is a very good reason for not putting Gourcuff on the pitch. What Ancelotti said about mentality, isn't it a good reason ?! The guy lacked of motivation, it's because of Ancelotti, and when people nowadays say that Pirlo or Seedorf are unmotivated, it's mainly because of the players ...

For Flamini, ok, it looks like a mistake from Ancelotti, even if nowadays, Flamini becomes a starter ...

About Pato, it's not Ancelotti ... it's Dunga who almost destroyed, maybe not the career but maybe the season, of Pato !! He said things like "Sobis is better than Pato, it's why he plays in the Olympics" whereas Pato was in the Brazilian NT before going with the U20 for the Olympics, and not Sobis. It's quite weird (if Sobis was better, he would have had selections in Brazilian NT instead of Pato recently). I could even say that Ancelotti launched the season of Pato and probably helped him to work at training, he didn't let him becoming another Ronaldinho, a Top 3 player in the world about talent but who gives nothing at trainings (don't know in Milan, but it was what went wrong with him already in Paris, and then in Barcelona).

Oddo "looked like a fool" last year ... because of Ancelotti from your point of view. Ok, but explain me why he was good in his first months after he arrived, so from January to May-June ?! And then he was bad from the start of the following season, in September ... can't be only the fault of Ancelotti there.

Oliver, Borrillo, Foggia: I don't know who is Oliver actually, but for the two others, Borriello was injured for the entire year ... and Foggia, he isn't an excellent player, he can't get a starting place in Lazio and his mentality seems to be a problem.

By this post, I didn't try to defend Ancelotti, he has some parts of responsability, but it's a bit hard to believe that everything is because of Ancelotti !! Reading your last post, it looked like if the players had no responsability, all is about Ancelotti and only him, but as far as I know, he doesn't run on the pitch for them, nor take their decisions ...

Originally Posted by Peachtot

Talking bout Principles, hmm.. i can consider you as a great milan fan cause most important persons in milan have tough principles.
Our owner Berlu so has faith on Galliani to lead this club. Then Galliani with so much trust on Carlo to coached team. The last one so loyal with his man like seedorf, etc to conduct team on pitch.

well, is it all you meant Tony ?
forgive me if i got wrong

You got it wrong, but nice try.

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

our current selection is Carlo's fault, he let Gorcky go because he belived that both Emerson and Brocchi are better than him, then start making stupid comment about how he could prove him self and weak menatlity and so on, plays ambrosini while he has Falmini who is much better and younger then Ambro, never almost destroyed Gila's & Hennry's career and was about to do the same with Pato but luckly Borillo was injured, made Italy's best fullback looks like a fool (watch Oddo with Lazio and bayern then compare it with Milan) not to mention some average players like Oliver, Borillo, foggia, who offer nothing to Milan with him and looked immense with some other clubs

source please. post of the year

Originally Posted by GeoTav

... and Foggia, he isn't an excellent player, he can't get a starting place in Lazio and his mentality seems to be a problem.

no I disagree with you about Foggia. Yersterday night Italy Cup vs. Juve, Lazio ( he was MVP ) destroyed Ranieri band. Think he and Abate on the wings....
2 terrible mistakes, imo anyway not imputable to Ancelotti. (Do you remeber the taylor tale?)

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I wouldn't say no if we take Lucio (or Vidic or whoever of this level) ... will we take another CD after this purchase ? It's the question, because we would still need another one.

Anyway, could you explain me why you think so much that Lucio will be ours after this summer ?

there are talks about terminating nesta's contract. i just read that on tutto mercato, also kalac dida emerson favali maldini senderos sheva are set to leave

Originally Posted by boring

When you said 'boring' I got confused whether it's about football or in reference to me!

All I'm saying is that Milan is still quite popular among neutrals and that will go if we get Mourinho (besides other things). Would you honestly like to see an honest man like Kaka being coached by a man like him? I certainly wouldn't. He belongs at Inter and maybe at Liverpool. Not clubs like Milan and Arsenal that don't play boring long ball game and are relatively honest (Gila and Eboue apart).

P.S. - I'm glad me and my nemisis Lebanese agree on something.

dont flatter your self, i am hating football when i think you support milan

Gourcuf was by miles better than both Emerson and Brocchi, Carlo never let him play, I did not know him before coming to Milan and when I saw the ver few min's he played with Milan I was able to see clearly that he is very good player and needs only time and patience and confidence from the coash ( don't forget Hennry with Juventus).
falmini plays when Rino is out and when he return???? Rino is better than Flamioni but ambro of course not.
Oddo him self said at the beggininng of the season it was Ancelotti who lowered hi self confidence ( I don't entirly balmeing Carlo about Oddo surely he takes at least 50% of the responsibilty)
Oliver is R olivera forgot to the a sorry for that.
Pato wasn't playing when Borrillo was fit, and he is much better than him , I knew Pato since 2006 and I was following him and I know what I am talking about, beleive he is at least twice the player Borillo is and in the future he will be number one, and don't tell me Dounga I did not say I want him to coash Milan.
when a player doesn't run its his mistake but when the coash insists to play him even when he walks in the pitch the its the coash's one, same with out of form players.

source please. post of the year

If you did not see that carlo prefered Brocchi and Emerson over Gourcuff then its your problem.
If you think Ambro is better than Famini then, it's your problem.
If you beleive that Carlo boosted Hennry and Gila's careers then, Its your problem.
If you think Oddo with Milan was great and crap with both Byern and Lazio, then its your problem, I don't have to bring sources for that.

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

and don't tell me Dounga I did not say I want him to coash Milan.

You misunderstood what I said, I know that you don't want Dunga as a Milan coach, who would want ?!
What I said is that for you, Ancelotti had the responsability for the difficult start of season of Ancelotti, I just say that the responsability has to go to Dunga for the way he managed Pato during the Olympics ... and not to Ancelotti for this case.

Wouldn't want Mourinho at Milan. He's great, his record speaks for itself, but his style of play doesn't fit Milan. He likes to play a very restrained game, with players that fill the role exactly as he tells them to, he would never be able to play a team with Pato, Ronaldinho, Kaka and Pirlo, they're quite frankly not his type of players.

In every club he's been in he's had the same approach to the game, a big target man up front, who recieve long balls all day, a box-to-box midfielder and a holding midfielder, creating the foundation of the team. He never really played with players like Ronaldinho or Kaka, and I don't think he'd get the best out of them.

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

If you did not see that carlo prefered Brocchi and Emerson over Gourcuff then its your problem.
If you think Ambro is better than Famini then, it's your problem.
If you beleive that Carlo boosted Hennry and Gila's careers then, Its your problem.
If you think Oddo with Milan was great and crap with both Byern and Lazio, then its your problem, I don't have to bring sources for that.

hany do you think that our coash is some how responsible for credit crunch ?
let me think... its my problem.

its no secret that ancelotti doesnot favourite new players and has some kind of issue with that but he is not judas. just show some appreciation for the 8 years he spent with us. let us just think logically, ancelotti is not the problem.

berlusconi and galliani are the problem problem. our players are the problem. poor ancelotti

hany do you think that our coash is some how responsible for credit crunch ?
let me think... its my problem.

So long as you know the answer why do you ask me?

its no secret that ancelotti doesnot favourite new players and has some kind of issue with that but he is not judas. just show some appreciation for the 8 years he spent with us. let us just think logically, ancelotti is not the problem.

Ancelotti is not the only problem right now, but he has his share because of his short sight with young players, because he defensive mentalty, when Milan is 1 goal up, and becasue he is so coward when he speaks with Berlu and Galliani, imagine this,
Carlo: I need mexses
Berlu/Galliani: No we will bring Sheva
Carlo:but the team needs a defender not a striker
Berlu/Galliani: we'll bring sheva if you don't like that you are fired
Carlo: when when will he arrive?
the same story every transfer HE IS COWARD
and by the way when they bring him useful player he doesn't play them Flamini, Gourcuf.

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

Ancelotti is not the only problem right now, but he has his share because of his short sight with young players, because he defensive mentalty, when Milan is 1 goal up, and becasue he is so coward when he speaks with Berlu and Galliani, imagine this,
Carlo: I need mexses
Berlu/Galliani: No we will bring Sheva
Carlo:but the team needs a defender not a striker
Berlu/Galliani: we'll bring sheva if you don't like that you are fired
Carlo: when when will he arrive?
the same story every transfer HE IS COWARD
and by the way when they bring him useful player he doesn't play them Flamini, Gourcuf.

Ancelotti can just give his point of view about transfers ... he is not our manager. So he coaches with the players he has. It was, it is and it will be like that for all the coaches who will come to Milan in Berlusconi/Galliani era. Milan is not an English club with a coach-manager. It's simple to understand I think, nothing else to add there, maybe an example with firms: if you are a lawer in a firm, you won't have to say anything about commercial strategies (you will maybe be asked your point of view, but nothing else). It's the same thing with the coach and manager roles, the manager will ask the point of view of the coach, but if he wants to bring 10 strikers, he can do what he wants despite the different point of view of the coach.