Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by mrki

What is good about Leonardo, aldough we know just a bit about him for now, is that it looks like he has a tremendous eye for players. And a person that can find a player is oftenly a person who deeply understands football and players habits.

And the problem with slowness in Milan is not in Yoan's possible speed or lack of it.

A team with Kaka', Pato, Flamini, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Zambrotta, Thiago, one more fast fullback... has enough speed. The problem is a cohesion of a sistem, space between back 4 and midfielders, deep or high defending, pressing etc.

IF Milan gets Nesta back ( pleeease Gods of football make that happen ) and buys just one good LB and gets back Yoan we'll have a hell of a first 11. Im talking just about first 11 now.

Agree, but still you cant risk depending on nesta, i mean i want to be back as hell but when this guy is back he will probably spend the rest of his day injured, we need a world class center back, lucio is a good option but 2 brasilian center defenders is a risk. and for the left back Clichy is a great signing or maybe Evra

and gourcuff is not slow, maybe a slow sprinter but this guy moves the ball quickly and able to protect the ball(something we dont have other than seedorf) but seedorf is way slower than gourcuff.

I know he's not salow, I've said it. Maybe in a strange way though.

Agger would complete our back concerning CB's: Nesta, Thiago, Agger, Bonera... But I dont expect CB and a new LB. Aldough its absolutely necessary.

kaladze's career might be over. this good news

If Kaladze's career is over, I am heading to celebrate.

Originally Posted by mrki

What is good about Leonardo, aldough we know just a bit about him for now, is that it looks like he has a tremendous eye for players. And a person that can find a player is oftenly a person who deeply understands football and players habits.

And the problem with slowness in Milan is not in Yoan's possible speed or lack of it.

A team with Kaka', Pato, Flamini, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Zambrotta, Thiago, one more fast fullback... has enough speed. The problem is a cohesion of a sistem, space between back 4 and midfielders, deep or high defending, pressing etc.

IF Milan gets Nesta back ( pleeease Gods of football make that happen ) and buys just one good LB and gets back Yoan we'll have a hell of a first 11. Im talking just about first 11 now.

Can't forget that Leonardo has a great relaionship with the players. We might not know how good he is at coaching, but it's not unheard of that an inexperienced x-player takes up a big club. Guardiola is (or was?) playing some of the best football in Barcelona since Ronaldinho's prime, and he'd only coached the Barcelona Reserves or something.

And like you said, if we wanna rejuvenate the squad, Leonardo would be the man for it. He has one hell of an eye for players, Kaka, Pato are both his signings.

In terms of signings, I think it depends on Nesta's condition, if he gets better we might sign someone like Agger, if he still hasn't signed a contract in the summer. If he doesn't get better (let's hope not), then I think we'll sign Vidic, or Mexes, and I think Vidic is most realistic. I know alot have written off Vidic, but I don't think it's that unrealistic. He has previously stated that he doesn't like England, he doesn't like the weather, he doesn't like the people and he doesn't like Manchester. Also Manchester United have Evans, an Irish up and comer, who's eventually gonna need a starting place, and already is ready for it. Also Man Utd is more indepted than a drug addict with a credit card, and it wouldn't be the first time Man Utd sold one of their superstars.

Originally Posted by rt9

Hey, I agree with Galliani on this one. An arrogant, class-less coach like Mourinho should not be coaching a classy club like Milan.

my point was not mourinho,who by the way i tottally disagree with what you said,mourinho is 10 times a coach of all our past players,my point was gallianis reasoning that he wouldnt take mourinho because he was not part of our team in the past..thats ridiculous man..

Originally Posted by rt9

Honestly, I dont want Lippi as Milan coach.

I would much rather prefer Rijkaard now, and maybe MVB in the future.

you d prefer rajkard(!!) and mvb to lippi?
so i guess you would prefer also one of rajkard mvb bonadoni leonardo instead of lets say:ferguson,wenger,lippi,hidding,benitez,mourinho etc..

mrki and cristian okay so leonardo has a gr8 eye for talented players and lets assume he has a good relationship with the playes,which im not sure at all,i know he has a godd relationship with some of them but still..are those characteristics enough to make a sb able to coach one of the biggest clubs around??guardiola by the way was the coach of barcelona's b team which is sth..at least he had erxperimented his tactical ideas somwhere else..

milan's problem was never the roster neither ancelottis relationship with the players..imo we need a coach with self confidence and self-esteem,that wouldnt care about making all the bekchams and silvio sad..

sorry but i highly doubt we will be a better team with our "priority" choices..

Management won't splash for a first pairing CD unless they know for sure that Nesta is done. With the wage slashes, they won't pay Nesta + 2 starters. I honestly think they value Bonera really high and are comfortable with him as a partner for Tiago Silva next season if and when Nesta is injured.

We aren't going to poach a starter from some big club...period. So, I go back to Chelsea and bid for Ivanovic. Forget Alex, hes great but with the age and health of Terry and Carvalho, they won't let him leave.

Ivanovic-Silva-Bonera-Nesta-Favalli-Darmian as our central defenders for next season sounds great to me. Nesta MUST play the big matches and only the big matches. Also I'd like to see Bonera play some RB with Zambro on the left. Bonera is a bigger defender and can help out with the aerial attacks on us using his strength.

Originally Posted by xvr11

Ivanovic-Silva-Bonera-Nesta-Favalli-Darmian as our central defenders for next season sounds great to me. Nesta MUST play the big matches and only the big matches. Also I'd like to see Bonera play some RB with Zambro on the left. Bonera is a bigger defender and can help out with the aerial attacks on us using his strength.

Perhaps it looks great, but to me there's too many question marks.

Nesta might still be the best defender in the world, but there's a feeling that he could end his career any day. Even if he returns from his latest set-back he might well get another injury before the next season even starts - or worse yet, a few weeks into it, when the mercato has closed.

Thiago Silva looks like a great signing but to be honest he hasn't proved himself in Europe, and who knows how well he'll take to the Serie A?

Bonera is good, but not great, and now in his late 20's he probably won't improve much.

Favalli is...Favalli, and Darmian has zero experience.

As for Ivanovic, he was good at the U-21's in 2007, but frankly I haven't seen him play since, mostly because he's been sitting on Chelsea's bench for 15 months now, so I don't suppose he's improved much under those circumstances.

Originally Posted by Ceceves

As for Ivanovic, he was good at the U-21's in 2007, but frankly I haven't seen him play since, mostly because he's been sitting on Chelsea's bench for 15 months now, so I don't suppose he's improved much under those circumstances.

He did play a few games under Scolari as Terry or Carvalho or Alex were injured. Wasn't particularly impressive. Didn't leave a great impression overall. We already have Bonera who's marginally worse than Ivanovic (based on those recent games). He seemed good a couple of years back but hasn't grown since (due to injury and warming bench as you said).

A central defensive team of Ivanovic, Silva, Nesta, Darmian and Bonera is decent but quite frankly not enough. Nesta is unpredictable (injury-wise), Silva is unpredictable (not saying he's not good but can't judge him before he actually plays in Serie A). The rest don't offer much different from what we already have. Should get a more solid but relatively older CD like Alex.

Originally Posted by boring

He did play a few games under Scolari as Terry or Carvalho or Alex were injured. Wasn't particularly impressive. Didn't leave a great impression overall. We already have Bonera who's marginally worse than Ivanovic (based on those recent games). He seemed good a couple of years back but hasn't grown since (due to injury and warming bench as you said).

A central defensive team of Ivanovic, Silva, Nesta, Darmian and Bonera is decent but quite frankly not enough. Nesta is unpredictable (injury-wise), Silva is unpredictable (not saying he's not good but can't judge him before he actually plays in Serie A). The rest don't offer much different from what we already have. Should get a more solid but relatively older CD like Alex.

I dont pretend to know anything about Ivanovic, but it is important to remember the effect a lack of games and confidence had on Gourcuff when considering a player like Ivanovic who in all fairness hasnt had the platform in which to show his quality.

True.. he hasn't had many chances for a long time now. I was merely telling you what I saw when he did play. What I fail to understand is that why is the 4th choice CD for Chelsea? He's never going to get a consistent first team run unless there is an epidemic of injuries. Why doesn't he move and exercise his talent elsewhere?

Chelseas reluctance to sell him. He has said a number of times he would like to move. Fiorentina are very much interested. We may not get him as he isnt EU (As far as I know)

Why doesn't he hand in a transfer request? Even Alex for that matter. So much of talented grown up players warm the bench for the English clubs it's almost cruel.

Just watched the Madrid derby. Aguero missed like a million chances.

You guys should consider Nesta as retired or a Sub at best. I really dont think after such a serious injury and time off he will be not his old self.