Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Jeff

My first transfer is to get the current doctor teams out and hear a world-class one.

The amount of injury is just incredible; and why are players allowed to go back to play when they are not fully recovered (e.g., Nesta, Borriello, Kaka`)

Or perhaps it's Ancelotti's training fault. I do'nt know.

I'm not sure either! At one point MilanLab were at the forefront of knowledge and everyone wanted to know how we did it.

Now we seem to injure more than we cure. Aren't the best treatment centres around some of the prem English clubs? They seem to have impressive medical centres with allot of tech/science/money behind them.

Injuries are due to bad luck on the field, not a lack of medical expertise. How were the medical team supposed to prevent Abbiati's knee ligament injury? What about Nesta's back injury? He has always been injury prone---ever since the late 90s when he first made his mark. With Kaka, it was inevitable, after playing continuously for 3 years, and playing with pain in his knee, and playing for his national side, of course, he was going to come down with an injury---this is probably more due to the fact that Carlo did not bother much with squad rotation--Kaka simply played every game. WIth Boriello, I don't know, but it is frustrating to have a new signing out so early in the season.

Exactly. By the end of the day, it's Carlo's fault.

Originally Posted by rt9

Injuries are due to bad luck on the field, not a lack of medical expertise. How were the medical team supposed to prevent Abbiati's knee ligament injury? What about Nesta's back injury? He has always been injury prone---ever since the late 90s when he first made his mark. With Kaka, it was inevitable, after playing continuously for 3 years, and playing with pain in his knee, and playing for his national side, of course, he was going to come down with an injury---this is probably more due to the fact that Carlo did not bother much with squad rotation--Kaka simply played every game. WIth Boriello, I don't know, but it is frustrating to have a new signing out so early in the season.

Luck is half the story and medical expertise does count. If your players are pushed too hard in training and don't warm up / down properly they increase the likeliness of getting injured, particularly pulled muscles.

Player tiredness is another example (eg Kaka). If you are physically and mentally tired you are more likely to be late into a tackle or make a mistake when running on the field due to exhaustion.

For the past 3? seasons Carlo has always put our bad start to the season down to bad fitness! Rushing players back do not help either.

This is the same medical staff that worked with Milan's greatest successes. Players are old and worn out, they tend to get injured more and easier.

Why Pato and Flamini didnt get injured for a long periods?

People talk how ronaldo had too many injuries? Ronaldinho? Kaka' ( who played EVERY ****ing game in past 2 years for the love of god! ), Seedorf ( old ), Maldini, Nesta ( CRONICAL problem, going on for past 2 years but has been solved by medics ) etc.

When we get players that are not wasted and that work regulary we'll have less injuries for long periods. We had some unfortunate inuries: Boriello, Gattuso, Abbiatti... but the rest is to be expected!
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news: Marchetti, Cagliari Gk will meet Milan tommorow and will most likely be our new GK. Buffon has prasied him a lot and to me he seems ok, but I havent seen enough.

Unfortunately I must say mrki is to some degree right with our injury problems. Some of our players are overworked and simply don't get the rest they need, so risk of injury increases, especially when most of these players have been playing around 50-60 games per season in the last few years. We've said this about Pirlo in the past and now Kaka, who we simply cannot rush back.

Another issue is that we do have ageing players, and with age their risk of injury increases. I think we've done reasonably well over the years to have gotten so much out of them, but the time has come where many of our players are past their capability. Maldini was (and to some degree still is) a great example, as is Inzaghi. Same goes with quality, we buy guys like Favalli, Emerson, Beckham and Sheva, but all these guys are well past their best and aren't capable of playing at their previous level frequently.

Next we buy players who are injury prone. Nesta, Ambro, Dinho, Ronaldo and Inzaghi (in the last few years at least) are all well known for the fragility. When you look at our transfer campaigns over the past few years and see so many injury prone players, added to our ageing squad in general then it's no shock we get so many injuries.

Finally, it can't be denied we've been hit with a lot of bad luck with injuries this season. Gattuso, Borriello, Senderos, Bonera, Nesta and now Abbiati, it's quite disturbing that we've suffered so much.

It's depressing to hear today we're after Adriano and Julio Cruz suddenly. Cruz is a good player, but is definitely getting too old and Adriano isn't a player we can rely on. Whilst I don't think we're going to get either, I think we're buying to many big risks without the results we hoped for. We already have too many failed risks in our previous campaigns like Dinho, Sheva, Senderos, Ronaldo and Borriello (though it's not his fault).

mrki, where did you hear Marchetti will meet Milan tomorrow?

Some recent player links/disgruntled players and whether i think we should get them or not.

Adriano - No
Amauri - Yes
Maxwell - Maybe
Marchetti/Yohann Pelè - Yes
Jiminez - Yes

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Unfortunately I must say mrki is to some degree right with our injury problems. Some of our players are overworked and simply don't get the rest they need, so risk of injury increases, especially when most of these players have been playing around 50-60 games per season in the last few years. We've said this about Pirlo in the past and now Kaka, who we simply cannot rush back.

Another issue is that we do have ageing players, and with age their risk of injury increases. I think we've done reasonably well over the years to have gotten so much out of them, but the time has come where many of our players are past their capability. Maldini was (and to some degree still is) a great example, as is Inzaghi. Same goes with quality, we buy guys like Favalli, Emerson, Beckham and Sheva, but all these guys are well past their best and aren't capable of playing at their previous level frequently.

Next we buy players who are injury prone. Nesta, Ambro, Dinho, Ronaldo and Inzaghi (in the last few years at least) are all well known for the fragility. When you look at our transfer campaigns over the past few years and see so many injury prone players, added to our ageing squad in general then it's no shock we get so many injuries.

Finally, it can't be denied we've been hit with a lot of bad luck with injuries this season. Gattuso, Borriello, Senderos, Bonera, Nesta and now Abbiati, it's quite disturbing that we've suffered so much.

It's depressing to hear today we're after Adriano and Julio Cruz suddenly. Cruz is a good player, but is definitely getting too old and Adriano isn't a player we can rely on. Whilst I don't think we're going to get either, I think we're buying to many big risks without the results we hoped for. We already have too many failed risks in our previous campaigns like Dinho, Sheva, Senderos, Ronaldo and Borriello (though it's not his fault).

mrki, where did you hear Marchetti will meet Milan tomorrow?

It's on gazzetta.

In other news Galliani has said that because of the economic crisis Milan fans should not expect much in the market. Little money will be spent. Also on gazzetta.

So, another summer of disappointment. Too bad for Italian football. It is going down the drain. Berlusconi should sell this club to a willing buyer. Hopefully he does. He has done a lot for us, but it's time for him to move on.

If Galliani's words are true and he actually means that we won't even spend 30 mil to buy the players we need.....then it's a shame.

The funny thing is, Galliani is coplaining about the financies but then again doesn't take Gourcuff back (at least that's where all signs are pointing right now, because no one from our camp has come out and said that "we want the boy to come back and he can be an important part of this team"). On top of that we pay subs like Dida (4mil/yr) and Sheva tons of money to keep the bench warm. We keep players like Kaladze (4mil/yr) and Emerson (3.2mil/yr) here and pay them more then Aquilani (0.75mil/yr) gets paid at Roma. Players like Gamberini and Dainelli don't even get paid a MIL a year and then Galliani complains?!?!?!?! How are Kaladze (4mil/yr) or Favalli (2mil/yr) better then the former two? It just makes no sense!

This squad needs some serious trimming and Galliani needs to get to work and take care of this mess. Because the salary that we are paying for some of these clowns is ridiculous and it's hurting us financially. I just can't believe that Galliani has the face to come out and talk about the financial problem when he is the one that has been throwing money around for salaries to players that even a little kid knows that they are not worth that money!!!

If he trims the salary down by cutting unnecessary money to unnecessary people....and we still have financial problems then fine!!! I would understand the non-spending because I love Milan and I don't want the same thing that happened to many clubs in the past (Viola, Lazio, Valencia now, ..etc) to happen to us. BUT untill that happens, I will get sick if I hear Galliani come out one more time and tell us that we have to suffer and watch our team end seasons in February every year because we can't buy the quality that is obviously needed.....while blowing more then 3 mil/yr on a midfielder that has played 3/4 times the whole season.

here is the source I used for the salaries...it's from last year but I don't think much has changed and if anything we have added more weight to our own shoulders with Sheva - http://www.mcalcio.com/494-player-sa...a-is-the-king/

Oh right, before I forget, he said "no new goalkeeper". He said we will continue with the awesome duo of Dida and Kalac and wait for Abbiati to return.

Baldy lives in the past. He said that the two goalkeepers that won us the CL are gonna stays so we dont need new GK. He is an idiot.

thanks Hasan about the Marchetti news source.

About Galliani's latest comments, I have only read the goal.com interpretation so am not sure of his exact words. All I got from it was that he says the transfer market will be different without a lot of deals for cash, but rather player exchanges. If so, I'm not going to complain yet, because we have a lot of dead weight to get rid of and including guys like Emerson and Sheva (although he's not likely) in deals for new players may not be so bad. Imagine swapping Emerson for Mariga of Parma and to me that's a great deal.

Plus in reality, how much are we looking to really spend? For me we need to spend a fair sum in defence for a CB (Santacroce is the hope) and a L/RB. Other players we need for the squad hopefully shouldn't cost much. If we look to retrieve players currently out that we can use (e.g Gourcuff and Abate) and get some talent to strengthen the squad without breaking the bank (let's face it, nobody will spend a fortune for squad players), we should have what we need for the new season. At this point, I don't know how to take Galli's words as he may be saying something quite intelligent. On the other hand, he could just be lying altogether as we know he's rarely trustworthy.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

thanks Hasan about the Marchetti news source.

About Galliani's latest comments, I have only read the goal.com interpretation so am not sure of his exact words. All I got from it was that he says the transfer market will be different without a lot of deals for cash, but rather player exchanges. If so, I'm not going to complain yet, because we have a lot of dead weight to get rid of and including guys like Emerson and Sheva (although he's not likely) in deals for new players may not be so bad. Imagine swapping Emerson for Mariga of Parma and to me that's a great deal.

Plus in reality, how much are we looking to really spend? For me we need to spend a fair sum in defence for a CB (Santacroce is the hope) and a L/RB. Other players we need for the squad hopefully shouldn't cost much. If we look to retrieve players currently out that we can use (e.g Gourcuff and Abate) and get some talent to strengthen the squad without breaking the bank (let's face it, nobody will spend a fortune for squad players), we should have what we need for the new season. At this point, I don't know how to take Galli's words as he may be saying something quite intelligent. On the other hand, he could just be lying altogether as we know he's rarely trustworthy.

We need a big signing in central defence. Like a Mexes or Santacroce.

I read my news from Italian sources, so in those he said we are in an economic crisis. The implications are clear.

If we get rid of deadweight like Sheva, Emerson, Kaladze, Dida etc. I will be happy. However, we've been here before with Galliani. Who knows what he is going to do.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

We need a big signing in central defence. Like a Mexes or Santacroce.

I read my news from Italian sources, so in those he said we are in an economic crisis. The implications are clear.

If we get rid of deadweight like Sheva, Emerson, Kaladze, Dida etc. I will be happy. However, we've been here before with Galliani. Who knows what he is going to do.

Yep, definitely agree in the opinion of getting a top CB and imo a fullback. But imagine this scenario...

- We get Marchetti and in return we sell (or swap with Cagliari) Dida.
- We get Santacroce and sell Kaladze (maybe again look to make him part of the deal). In those terms, Kaladze should cover over at least half of what we'd pay for Santacroce.
- We get a top level fullback and we sell Oddo (I think we may be able to get a fair price for him). Like Santacroce, we can maybe look to fund much of this transfer with the sale of Oddo.
- We sell Emerson and get Mariga (maybe put Emerson up as part of the deal) from Parma, who looks a great prospect and shouldn't cost much as Parma are in Serie B right now.
- We bring back Gourcuff and Abate
- We get a new forward and sell Sheva. Whilst Sheva may not be the player he was before, he should bring in a little money considering his marketing value.

Let's see how much we're spending on the whole here. Personally, with these deals we're looking at here I can't imagine us spending more than around 25 million euros here and that's me being fairly pessimistic.

I like the ideas there, but I am not too sure that Kaladze would take off half the price of Santacroce! Napoli is not stupid. They have one of the most promising defenders in Italy starting for them and doing very well. He is thought by many to become the next great defender. (even though many before him have failed to actually achieve the end result....that name tag alone will hold the price up) Let's not forget that Kaladze has had a terrible season and is at the very wrong side of 30. He just suffered a huge injury as well. - so even though he will knock down a lot of money, we will still have to come up with a large ammount of cash for Santacroce. My own oppinion is that a number of around 20 mil should do the trick. So something around 14mil + Kala can be enough.

BUT...here is where the tricky part comes in. Kala earns so much with us that Napoli will never be able to give him anywhere near that kind of money. It makes everything so much worse. This is the kind of stuff that makes selling bench-warmers like Sheva, Emerson and Dida so hard to do. These players make so much with us, that no other mid-table Serie A team can even come close to even as a starter salary.




By the way....Can anyone confirm that the players from this link - http://www.mcalcio.com/expiring-cont...-players-2009/ - are all going to be free this summer?!??.....or have some of them extended their contracts and are no longer a part of that list.

there is some interesting players on that list.