Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by will4li

Carlo made it loud and clear that we need alex and adebayor.I think besides these 2,we also need a wc wingback(left or right),then we will be complete.

For me Etoo is a better player than Adebayor. But Adebayor is younger and more the kind of player we need, where as Etoo would be yet another 'Duplicate'.

Not too big on Alex, not the quickest and I dont want Milan to be completely Brazilian. He wont be cheap anyway, so whats the point? I would much rather see Milan buy Zapatta AND Santacrocce. Both quick, both strong and dynamic, one is Italian and young.

With these two players Carlo could experiment with the defence and Santacroce could play rightback while Zambro switched over to leftback.

Honestly speaking these three signings would make me jump. Our midfield would have 2 goal threat options ahead at all times in Pato/ Adebayor/ Boriello/ Inzaghi and would be backed up by a solid defence!

We obviously dont need anymore playmakers as we have Ronnie and Kaka, we are covered for DMs in Rino, Flamini (Starting to shine), Janku (In midfield shows why we signed him) and Ambro (Should be the best 4th choice DM in the world if Ancelotti stops preferring him)

Between Pirlo, Seedorf and Beckham we have more industrious creativity in midfiled. Personally, Id like to see Gourcuff loaned out one more season to a team that wont cater for him such as Lyon or an Italian side. With Ancelotti still at the helm, its too much a risk him coming back. With another season's experience, hopefully rave reviews after a good world cup performance and a consolidated Milan defence I think he would have everything in place to shine at Milan. The coach by 2010/2011 may be different anyway.

I am sure that if carlo stays as a coach he'll want Adebayor and not Eto'o, as he always speaks of a big forvard. Im also pretty "sure" if Carlo is a coach Yoan will not play in Milan and could be used for Adebayor trade as Wenger sees great player in Gourcuff ( which is normal ).

For me, Eto'o is twice of a player Adebayor is...but aguess the power of a big forward can be usefull in serie a.

But I dont see the point as Milan has Ronaldinho and its NOt possible to play Dinho, Kaka', Pato AND Adebayor in big games. Maybe we'll rotate and everyone will be happy...which is not possible as Carlo uses 13-14 players per season... we'll see.

But we need to have in mind that next year Inter and Juve will be also much stronger, specially Inter where crazy Moratti is desperate and will pay whatever Mourinho asks. Most likjely one forward ( Drogba! ) and one creative central midfielder ( Diego ), and one CB.

And even when we buy one Cb and opne CF, what is about the midfield??? Pirlo, Seedorf, Amgbrosini will continue to "play"? Coz I havent seen them actually play this year. They just stood on the field. I dont understand how people think our midfield is good enough for CL and serie a next year?? We have 3 modern and capable players playing at highest level and tempo: Flamini, Gattuso and Kaka'. One more in Gourcuff and he'll not paly witn Ancelotti. The rest is history of football: Pirlo, Beckham, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Dinho... its all fun to wantch. But lets look at the tempo in CL and get real. those players are comical tempo wise.

I suppose we have differing views.

In my opinion, we only have one reliable striker. Just imagine if Pato had been injured this season. Thats why we need Adebayor/ Etoo whoever. It doesnt matter how they are juggled, as long as there is someone to be juggled.

The reason why I am much more concerned about the defence than the midfield, is because the only proven and still capable defender we have is Zambro. The midfield is full of players who backed up by a good defence and attack still have plenty to offer.

A midfield made up of Kaka, Pirlo, Gatusso and Flamini is still as good as any other midfield. We cant expect them to make up for deffiecencies in front of them and behind them.

People talk about Xavi, in front of him he has strikers like Ettoo, Henry and Bojan. Behind him he has defenders like Puyol, Milito, Abidal, Alvez,Marquez Pique.

Where as Pirlo has only Pato in front of him and only Zambrotta who can be called reliable behind him. If he isnt going forward, its because his teamamtes are crumbling behind him.

Even if you look at Man U. Carick is no where the player Pirlo is. But he has strikers like Rooney, Berbatov and Tevez in front of him and defenders like Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra behind him.

And please dont mention Ronaldhinio and Kaka as I havent mentioned players like Messi or Ronaldo.

The truth is, we could bring in a new midfielder like Gourcuff or even Zidane himself, but if everything around him is crumbling then what can he do? I agree with you, we will at some point need to add a bob to box midfielder. But with the current management not willing to part with any reasonable amounts of money we need to prioritise and reinforce the areas that are in most need.

We need a choice of strikers and a 2 more defenders to add to Thiago.

I do agree with your post. Only difference within our posts is that there are many variations that can decide the right mercato for Milan.

For example, if Nesta gets fit, and with Thiago ( as it seems to me ) being an excellent CB, even if we buy a player like Mexes, Alex - who will be ok with sitting on the bench? As we all know Nesta is still one of the best cb's in the world if he is ok. For cb's its important to have constant pairings, not to mix it too much.

We talked a lot about our last 4 not being able to push forward and close the space needed for pressing. Of course I agree with you on the back line issue. Milan needs two more players at the back:

1. Maxwell
2. Agger
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To me that seems like most likely solution as Raiola, Maxwell's manager has said it is possible he moves to Milan. He is not that expancive, Inter needs the money also, and I find him a good player.

Agger has been said to already have his medical with Milan. Irs not legal yes, but those thing ahappen all the time. Its possible he'll come, he hasnt signed anything new with L'pool.

I think those two, plus Nesta and Thiago would solve everything at the back for us. Everything absolutely.
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In midfield we can pray Rinho gets 100% well and fit again. He is our motor. And I'd add Gourcuff at all costs as he is a fresh player who can add quality and power to us. He is also vey versatile player.

Its time that Pirlo doses his games per year if he wants to play great football again. Samt thing Seedorf needed to do in past 2 years and wasnt able to do due to non existant subs.

Pirlo cant play 60 games per year at his old tempo, its obvious now.

Flamini, Gattuso, Pirlo, Gourcuff, Beckham ( also dosed play with quality, not quantity), Kaka', Dinho ( ? I dont know does he fgeel like training for real )...its all ok IF they are palyed normqlly and not absolutely in every game like Pirlo and Seedorf in the past. Obi Mikel is a FREE PLAYER also, and a good player for every team in the world.

About forwards, if Boriello is ok we can have 4 forwards that are good enough: Pato, CF, Boriello, Pippo. Its more then enough. Again, rotation is needed and I dont find Carlo Ancelotti being the caoch that knows how to play 18-20 players. He works with 13-14 players per year, and that is why his teams are compact in CL and when they are fit only. While the rest of the serie a season is lost.

Today Riaola said that are still big posibility to see Maxwell in Milan shirt next season!!

Originally Posted by K77SH C

For me Etoo is a better player than Adebayor. But Adebayor is younger and more the kind of player we need, where as Etoo would be yet another 'Duplicate'.

Not too big on Alex, not the quickest and I dont want Milan to be completely Brazilian. He wont be cheap anyway, so whats the point? I would much rather see Milan buy Zapatta AND Santacrocce. Both quick, both strong and dynamic, one is Italian and young.

With these two players Carlo could experiment with the defence and Santacroce could play rightback while Zambro switched over to leftback.

Honestly speaking these three signings would make me jump. Our midfield would have 2 goal threat options ahead at all times in Pato/ Adebayor/ Boriello/ Inzaghi and would be backed up by a solid defence!

We obviously dont need anymore playmakers as we have Ronnie and Kaka, we are covered for DMs in Rino, Flamini (Starting to shine), Janku (In midfield shows why we signed him) and Ambro (Should be the best 4th choice DM in the world if Ancelotti stops preferring him)

Between Pirlo, Seedorf and Beckham we have more industrious creativity in midfiled. Personally, Id like to see Gourcuff loaned out one more season to a team that wont cater for him such as Lyon or an Italian side. With Ancelotti still at the helm, its too much a risk him coming back. With another season's experience, hopefully rave reviews after a good world cup performance and a consolidated Milan defence I think he would have everything in place to shine at Milan. The coach by 2010/2011 may be different anyway.

Maybe you don´t know, K77SH C...
But, how you "don´t want Milan to be completely Brazilian" and at the same time wants Santacrocce? He´s Brazilian, man!
He´s from the same state were I live. So, just because he´s called Santacrocce, that don´t make him a "pure" Italian...

Don´t get me wrong, but people need to accept the reality...Italy (at this moment) isn´t more the "country of the defenders"...There´s a lack of talent at the position in Italy right now, it´s fact. And I´m not talking about Maldine´s Baresi´s or Nesta´s type(level) of defenders...

It´s like our(Brazil) situation with defensive midfielders(the #5, the holder) and left-backs. We always produces amazing DM´s like Falcão, Batista, Mauro Silva, Dunga, Emerson(the old one), Alemão...and LB as Nilton Santos, Marinho Chagas, R. Carlos, Serginho...and now we only have 1 super talent(but raw) in Marcelo and 2 very good ones in F. Aurélio and Maxwel. At DM position the crise is even worse...as our hopes are in a amazing under-20 talent called Sandro from Internacional(same team that produced Pato) and a young guy called Rafael Carioca(from Grêmio and now in Russia) that nobody know if still is playing at a great level.

Btw, next year the "big amount" of Brazilians in Milan will be Pato, Kaká and T. Silva...so, I really don´t see the problem that others see.

What I don´t want see, is our Milan buying middle class Brazilians(or of another nationalities) like Oliveira, Emerson(actual), Sheva(actual) when you have a Italian of the same level....now, thats is a HUGE mistake.

Brasiliero, you dont think Dinho will be in Milan next year? And what can you tell us about Keirrisson? Have you seen him?

I agree about Alex and I would also like to see him in Milan. Personally my pick is Santacroce, but cot coz he is italian ( only by passport! ), but coz I can see him being a great defender in years to come. The only talented young new defender alongside Santon and Criscito in serie a right now. And I dont see Santon being such class as Maldini, no matter what clown Mourinho says. Also Criscito, who to me looks like a better player then Santon, only lacks a bit of phisical strenght.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

What I don´t want see, is our Milan buying middle class Brazilians(or of another nationalities) like Oliveira, Emerson(actual), Sheva(actual) when you have a Italian of the same level....now, thats is a HUGE mistake.

That is coz Galliani is picking players that sound good and are cheap. Players which can sell few shirts and seats in the San siro. While, in REAL FOOTBALL, its better we pay normally for some normal italian players who can play serious football. For example: Emerson--->Nocerino, Sheva---->Cassano etc.

ADRIANO GALLIANI: "Kakà is not for sale, Milan careful about the opportunities"

3/19/2009

MILAN - Adriano Galliani, whose phrases from yesterday were referred to the Italian situation in general, and not specifically to Milan, had an interview with the Gazzetta dello Sport today, published on page 8. This is the passage of the interview reserved in particular about Milan: "Kaka is not for sale. Our fans must be serene. Milan do not need more reinforcements than other teams. Apart from the strong Thiago Silva, another defender will arrive. And anyway, Milan will be careful about the opportunities which will be present."

I'm an American,I am a big sports fan. I follow Baseball, Hockey, and Football.
Now over here in the states, the sports teams have taken a major hit because of the economic crisis. Now besides the crisis , I understand how things work in terms of the economics revolving teams.

From tickets sold, merchandising, sponsors etc etc...teams do see profit, some do not. For example, I am a fan of the NY Islanders of hockey. Now their owners stands to lose 15-20 million a year because of poor facilities and an old building.

Over here, teams don't splash million upon millions on players every off-seaon unless your the NY Yankees of baseball who spend like its drinking water.

The reason for my post is : Does AC Milan as a business do so well that the fans expect huge splashes every season? What is the seating capacity at the San Siro and is every game sold out? I see all these posts about management not caring, just pocketing the money and smiling about it. Times are real rough and even the rich are affected. A yahoo.com report showed this man who made $750 K a year be reduced to being a pizza delivery boy. What im getting at is, people need to be patient with management because they need to make the right purchases and it can't be every year. Sorry for the long post, just wanted some information n to deliver some information.

Originally Posted by mrki

Brasiliero, you dont think Dinho will be in Milan next year? And what can you tell us about Keirrisson? Have you seen him?

I agree about Alex and I would also like to see him in Milan. Personally my pick is Santacroce, but cot coz he is italian ( only by passport! ), but coz I can see him being a great defender in years to come. The only talented young new defender alongside Santon and Criscito in serie a right now. And I dont see Santon being such class as Maldini, no matter what clown Mourinho says. Also Criscito, who to me looks like a better player then Santon, only lacks a bit of phisical strenght.

What´s up, my friend!!
Look, here nobody is talking about Ronaldinho wanting to go to another club. To be fair, he always praising Milan here. Talking about the family environment and another great things. But his brother/agent(Assis) is a snake, so anything is possible...

Regarding Keirrisson, his numbers are out of this world(41 goals last season) and 16 goals in 14 games(if I´m not wrong) this season in a big club like Palmeiras. As I put in another thread, Keirrisson is like a more skilled and faster(much more faster) V. Nistelroy...the guy is a killer in area. But I want to see more of him in Brasileirão nad Libertadores sisnce the compettition there is high than in Paulistão(São Paulo State Championship).

Alex...my dream and of Carlo at Milan
As last year I was here saying that attack wasn´t our problem, and the defense was my concern(and several poster didn´t agree), I´m here saying TODAY, that we need a BIG guy in our back 4. But not any big guy...but one that is a great defender.

T. Silva is a poor man Nesta...a more fast young Nesta, but he isn´t dominant in the air. Like Nesta, he´s very good at the air, but he will not solve our "big problem at a big problem". Our defense S****, but in aerial game, we are even worse.
Nor will Zapata, that like I said of Bonera in the past(and was BASHED a lot) imo isn´t this amazing defender that people say.

We need a big guy out there...Alex is my number one choice, since he´s dominant in the air and has speed(not quickness, speed) and amazing defensive awareness. But any other big defender good in the air will improve a lot our defense next year pairing with T. Silva or Nesta...
I just hope we get one that besides be good in the air, is at least above average on the ground

Originally Posted by xvr11

I'm an American,I am a big sports fan. I follow Baseball, Hockey, and Football.
Now over here in the states, the sports teams have taken a major hit because of the economic crisis. Now besides the crisis , I understand how things work in terms of the economics revolving teams.

From tickets sold, merchandising, sponsors etc etc...teams do see profit, some do not. For example, I am a fan of the NY Islanders of hockey. Now their owners stands to lose 15-20 million a year because of poor facilities and an old building.

Over here, teams don't splash million upon millions on players every off-seaon unless your the NY Yankees of baseball who spend like its drinking water.

The reason for my post is : Does AC Milan as a business do so well that the fans expect huge splashes every season? What is the seating capacity at the San Siro and is every game sold out? I see all these posts about management not caring, just pocketing the money and smiling about it. Times are real rough and even the rich are affected. A yahoo.com report showed this man who made $750 K a year be reduced to being a pizza delivery boy. What im getting at is, people need to be patient with management because they need to make the right purchases and it can't be every year. Sorry for the long post, just wanted some information n to deliver some information.

Even if San Siro did sell out, which it seldom does, the club does not see all of the money because the stadiums in Italy are owned by independent city councils. Times are indeed tough, but I still think Milan can bolster this team with bargain purchases. What infuriates many on this board is that our management do not purchase players that would obviously make our team better.

Sold tickets are not a problem for Milan. The capacity is 85 000, and Milan sold around 65 000 season tickets this year. That means Milan does not care how many people are in the stadium, they already have the needed money. And also, Milan sold MOST tickest in Italy and has largest number of fans per game ratings.

the owner in a bilionare and prime ministed of Italy in like past 2X4 years plus now... The players they bought were mostly wrong, some were misstreated and some were bought coz of the tv and fancy commercials.

In serious football that does not bring resulkts. And time showed that the "squadra" was missbuilt. Simply, it has been prooved in past 2 years and there is no more talk about it. Milan needs to reconstruct, its their problem how.

Originally Posted by xvr11

I'm an American,I am a big sports fan. I follow Baseball, Hockey, and Football.
Now over here in the states, the sports teams have taken a major hit because of the economic crisis. Now besides the crisis , I understand how things work in terms of the economics revolving teams.

From tickets sold, merchandising, sponsors etc etc...teams do see profit, some do not. For example, I am a fan of the NY Islanders of hockey. Now their owners stands to lose 15-20 million a year because of poor facilities and an old building.

Over here, teams don't splash million upon millions on players every off-seaon unless your the NY Yankees of baseball who spend like its drinking water.

The reason for my post is : Does AC Milan as a business do so well that the fans expect huge splashes every season? What is the seating capacity at the San Siro and is every game sold out? I see all these posts about management not caring, just pocketing the money and smiling about it. Times are real rough and even the rich are affected. A yahoo.com report showed this man who made $750 K a year be reduced to being a pizza delivery boy. What im getting at is, people need to be patient with management because they need to make the right purchases and it can't be every year. Sorry for the long post, just wanted some information n to deliver some information.

European sports and American sports are different businesswise. In US, teams do not pay money to sign players but rather make trades or sign them as free agents. In Europe, that is seldomly the case. Teams here also typically run on deficits with the exception of a few (Man Utd, Bayern, and Juventus).

As far as Milan goes, it is not just about the amount of money spend in the market. The only reason a lot of people think we need an enormous amount of money thrown into the market is because the management's lackluster performances in the past 4-5 summers have caused this team to be so weak. Even when the economy was fine this team spent like it is a Serie B team. And thus they always sign the old retirement home players that are cheap on the transfer fee but expensive on wages. How the hell does a team with like 11-12 decent players compared to the 20 or so of the other teams have the highest salary bill in Italy is beyond me.

This current management seem to think that they are the pioneers of creating a new world of soccer. They seem to run this team American style instead of European. While it might be true that the American style might be much more economically efficient, the simple fact is that Milan cannot survive in the current European environment that way. If you don't want to follow the rules, stay out of the game. If every other club spend big on signings to stay competitive, then we have to do the same if we want to have a good team.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Maybe you don´t know, K77SH C...
But, how you "don´t want Milan to be completely Brazilian" and at the same time wants Santacrocce? He´s Brazilian, man!
He´s from the same state were I live. So, just because he´s called Santacrocce, that don´t make him a "pure" Italian...

Don´t get me wrong, but people need to accept the reality...Italy (at this moment) isn´t more the "country of the defenders"...There´s a lack of talent at the position in Italy right now, it´s fact. And I´m not talking about Maldine´s Baresi´s or Nesta´s type(level) of defenders...

It´s like our(Brazil) situation with defensive midfielders(the #5, the holder) and left-backs. We always produces amazing DM´s like Falcão, Batista, Mauro Silva, Dunga, Emerson(the old one), Alemão...and LB as Nilton Santos, Marinho Chagas, R. Carlos, Serginho...and now we only have 1 super talent(but raw) in Marcelo and 2 very good ones in F. Aurélio and Maxwel. At DM position the crise is even worse...as our hopes are in a amazing under-20 talent called Sandro from Internacional(same team that produced Pato) and a young guy called Rafael Carioca(from Grêmio and now in Russia) that nobody know if still is playing at a great level.

Btw, next year the "big amount" of Brazilians in Milan will be Pato, Kaká and T. Silva...so, I really don´t see the problem that others see.

What I don´t want see, is our Milan buying middle class Brazilians(or of another nationalities) like Oliveira, Emerson(actual), Sheva(actual) when you have a Italian of the same level....now, thats is a HUGE mistake.

Dont get me wrong Brasilero, I like the Brazilian influence at Milan and your reviews, but there always needs to be balance. Its true Italy isnt developing defenders like it used to, but I believe Santarocce will be the next Nesta/ Cannavaro. I know Santarocce is half Brazilian, I do believe Italy has played a massive role in his development (maybe Im wrong) and he will be a mean defender for the Azzuri. Thats why I refer to him as Italian, even if he is also Brazilian.

Mrki, I have been saying since last year that we cant depend on Nesta. He might never come back and he WILL NOT be the same. Hes just turned 33. We cant afford another mercato that depends on to many hopes. We need to build for the future. Also you mentioned that an attack needs to be rotated, Borriello and Pippo just havent been available for large parts of the season. You correctly identifed we need another striker. In many of your posts you commend Wenger, well Arsenal have Van Persy, Adebayor, Bendtnar and Eduardo. If a team like Arsenal has four strikers who they rotate then surely Milan should have more than just Pato to depend on. Thinking otherwise will make the mercato even more hopeful and less effective.

Im not a massive fan of Alex as he is slow, I think Mexes is massively overrated.

Santarocce and Zapatta for Milan could be players that the rest of Europe druels over.