Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Blacktop

This makes no sense. What are you talking about by "supporting Albinoleffe, Rimini, Madova..."? No one even mentioned that.

Putting aside the usual whining about his contract for a moment, I don't get why Dida should get the boot just like that after this season when we kept Fiori around forever and paid him for playing one game in 20 years. It won't kill us to let him finish out his contract and keep him around for one final season, as he still has what it takes (i.e., UEFA Cup). He can't be lumped with someone like Kalac, who hasn't played at all save for half of the Hanover friendly. You dump two GKs in the offseason, then good luck signing someone who's willing to warm the bench as third-choice.

The only reason Dida is getting so much criticism is because of his incredible wages as compared to the number of games he played. If, however, he is a starter and contributes significantly (from here on), I won't mind him staying forever.

J

Nothing to do with the mercato, but I had a thought about football nowadays after seeing the best scorers in each league ...

Serie A:
- Di Vaio ; 19 goals
- Ibra ; 19 goals
- Milito ; 16 goals
- Gila ; 15 goals
- Pato ; 14 goals

Premier League:
- Anelka ; 15 goals
- Gerrard ; 13 goals
- C.Ronaldo ; 13 goals
- Crouch ; 11 goals
- Robinho ; 11 goals

Liga:
- Eto'o ; 25 goals
- Forlan ; 19 goals
- Villa ; 19 goals
- Messi ; 19 goals
- Negredo ; 16 goals

Ligue 1:
- Gignac ; 18 goals
- Hoarau ; 15 goals
- Cavenaghi ; 13 goals
- Benzema ; 12 goals
- Bastos ; 12 goals

Bundesliga:
- Ibisevic ; 18 goals
- Grafite ; 18 goals
- Helmes ; 17 goals
- Gomez ; 14 goals
- Novakovic ; 14 goals

So, except Eto'o, there is no goalscorer who is very impressive, no real goalscorer in this list (anyway, no current impressive goalscorer, Pato isn't yet for example). What happens to European football ? At the same time, we can hardly give 3 great defenders for each league ... we're far from the time when we could have said Nesta, Maldini, Canavarro, Thuram, Blanc, etc ... there were stars in defence, guys who had real class. Nowadays, no defender can play like Nesta or almost, even Puyol who could be named as the second best defender in the world after Nesta nowadays is far from his level.

So, less very good goalscorers and less great defenders, what's the hell happening ?!

ok now its kajer(come on),yesterday it was agger(tottally overated) last year was senderos and in the end we will bring gallas or another 33+..

noone of them is good enough for milan,its just that simple..they really confuse me with their choices,i mean every time i try to think positevely,i say that galliani-braida-ancelotti etc all of them know(should at least) "football values" better than any fan..

and then i read that braida was in verona watching kajer!!have u ever watched palermo defending?but thats not my point,i think that every single person knows that santacroce for example is an extraordinary defender the last 2 years,far better than kajer,agger and etc..THERE IS absolutely no chance that braida doesnt know that..but still they act strange,i really dont have any words to describe how odd it seems to me..

maldini is retiring,favalli is leaving,nesta is a big questionmark ,senderos is out..and we are comfort thinking that we bought thiago silva..there are over 50 better defenders than thiago silva, in his age!,out there,and you'll see what im talking abut next year..thiago silva may become a good player over his 27,but now its tooooo soon..

the best solution would be a healthy nesta,but if thats not going to happen,then we need more than one good dc..or else we would have to play more than 50 matches rottating bonera kaladze silva and kajer/agger(?)..

for me there are santacrocce and mexes(i know he's having a strange season but still imo a gr8 defender..)maybe alex too..any other(propable) solution wouldnt please me..

hey, Ibra said (according to goal.com) he's considering his future in the neighbourhood team, he'd like to join a team w/ the prospect of winning Champion's cup ,

If not wrong, Berlu ever mentioned he likes him

He's big guy w/ great skills & techniques, therefore I think he's able to unlock the 9 man-defence we have been encountering these last few yrs.

if he is available, do u think we should get him? just curious about how u guys think.

I think it has more to do with team scoring rather than striker scoring goals these days.
Look at Milan for example, there is about 10 players who scored at least a goal this season. On top of that, teams sometime save their players for European matches.

As for defenders, I still think there are great defenders in every league, the main diff between now and maybe 8 yrs ago, IMO is the internet and boardcasting. As we can enjoy all sort of matches every weekend, as long as we know where to look for feeds. That way, we get to watch all the media hype defenders week in and week out instead of just big matches or tourney. Then when one of those defenders have a few bad games, we all will say he is over-rated....
Take Ramos as an example, he might not be as good a CB than he is at RB, but for the matches I saw him play as CB, I thought he did a great job.

TO me guys like Santacroce, Chellini, Ramos, Vidic, Terry, T.Silva, Lucio, are all great at the moment

Guys i think that with the way seedorf is playing...it couldn't have been more worse with Gourcuff coming bak...We've lost and lost over and over again with seedorf so even if gourcuff comes bak and we lose, it doesn't make a difference..But what i know is that Gourcuff has a lot more to offer than seedorf does as of right now..I really wish for us to trade seedorf so bad...Gourcuff should come bak..Milan has as much talents and as much youngster star players out there like Man U....Man U is filled with young talented players and so is milan but there are either on loan or co-ownership...We need all these players...everytime, Man U is buying players...why can't milan do the same...they had ronaldo and bought Nani...they play alike so what diff does it make if we buy or bring bak our players with the ones we have...Although i wish the old ones we have should go, we should bring bak our good players..I'm dreaming of seeing Abate, gourcuff playing again for this team...ROTATION CAN BE VERY USEFUL WHICH IS WHAT OUT OF ALL THE COACHES IN THE WORLD, CARLO LACKS...We need all our players we can get...Inzaghi and Sheva won't lack..I heard we're also after a striker...I hope its Keirrison...With all these players, we can switch formations...not just 4-3-1-2 and 4-3-2-1...we can play 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-2-2...i really can't wait for next season guys, honestly...and dang we should go for Santacroce...He's a beast..A real beast..With Santacroce and thiago silva for next season, i know we're safe...

Originally Posted by Blacktop

This makes no sense. What are you talking about by "supporting Albinoleffe, Rimini, Madova..."? No one even mentioned that.

Putting aside the usual whining about his contract for a moment, I don't get why Dida should get the boot just like that after this season when we kept Fiori around forever and paid him for playing one game in 20 years. It won't kill us to let him finish out his contract and keep him around for one final season, as he still has what it takes (i.e., UEFA Cup). He can't be lumped with someone like Kalac, who hasn't played at all save for half of the Hanover friendly. You dump two GKs in the offseason, then good luck signing someone who's willing to warm the bench as third-choice.

Lastly, I really dislike this pompous "we are Milan, only elite players need apply" mentality when we have wastes of space like Seedorf, Sheva and Senderos clogging the roster.

Look i have nothing against Albinolefe,Rimini or Madova, i used those teams to say some things.
Sorry but because we kept Fiori so long in our team what does that mean that we should keep and Dida until his 40 because we did with Fiori the same thing?I don't find this right and good for us.To keep him untill one season as our 3d GK OK, but not to keep him until his 40.And the other thing with Fiori was a big joke, keeeping and paying a player with no future instead of having a young guy.
For me Kalac and Dida are the same.Last year Dida was the man sitting at the bench for the hole season and Kalac our no1. You should understood Dida is finished like Kalac, with those you can't win nothing.If you want to keep them as third is the same thing by quiting them, they will never play, like Fiori always and forever not even at the bench.
And now, why in summer to sign someone as our 3d? and not as no1? It would be better to see Abiatti in our bench and as our no1 someone like Loris.Young and talented.Why we should always have crap players in our bench? For what reason?
And for your lastly, mate the last 3 years i always says that we need a big refresh,new players,many new players,we need to splash the money,i have said many times wich players are finished and no needed so i have said many times my opinion for Sheva,Seedorf and Senderos.Just find my old posts.Not nneded to answer to that.

Originally Posted by Blacktop

This makes no sense. What are you talking about by "supporting Albinoleffe, Rimini, Madova..."? No one even mentioned that.

Putting aside the usual whining about his contract for a moment, I don't get why Dida should get the boot just like that after this season when we kept Fiori around forever and paid him for playing one game in 20 years. It won't kill us to let him finish out his contract and keep him around for one final season, as he still has what it takes (i.e., UEFA Cup). He can't be lumped with someone like Kalac, who hasn't played at all save for half of the Hanover friendly. You dump two GKs in the offseason, then good luck signing someone who's willing to warm the bench as third-choice.

Lastly, I really dislike this pompous "we are Milan, only elite players need apply" mentality when we have wastes of space like Seedorf, Sheva and Senderos clogging the roster.

You can't ignore his contract. I don't think many would complain half as much about Dida were he earning less (much less) than he is doing. He is earning the amount that a top level first team player may earn for sitting on the bench. In times when we're looking to spend much less, why pay guys like him and Emerson such ridiculous amounts for sitting on the bench

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Nothing to do with the mercato, but I had a thought about football nowadays after seeing the best scorers in each league ...

Serie A:
- Di Vaio ; 19 goals
- Ibra ; 19 goals
- Milito ; 16 goals
- Gila ; 15 goals
- Pato ; 14 goals

Premier League:
- Anelka ; 15 goals
- Gerrard ; 13 goals
- C.Ronaldo ; 13 goals
- Crouch ; 11 goals
- Robinho ; 11 goals

Liga:
- Eto'o ; 25 goals
- Forlan ; 19 goals
- Villa ; 19 goals
- Messi ; 19 goals
- Negredo ; 16 goals

Ligue 1:
- Gignac ; 18 goals
- Hoarau ; 15 goals
- Cavenaghi ; 13 goals
- Benzema ; 12 goals
- Bastos ; 12 goals

Bundesliga:
- Ibisevic ; 18 goals
- Grafite ; 18 goals
- Helmes ; 17 goals
- Gomez ; 14 goals
- Novakovic ; 14 goals

So, except Eto'o, there is no goalscorer who is very impressive, no real goalscorer in this list (anyway, no current impressive goalscorer, Pato isn't yet for example). What happens to European football ? At the same time, we can hardly give 3 great defenders for each league ... we're far from the time when we could have said Nesta, Maldini, Canavarro, Thuram, Blanc, etc ... there were stars in defence, guys who had real class. Nowadays, no defender can play like Nesta or almost, even Puyol who could be named as the second best defender in the world after Nesta nowadays is far from his level.

So, less very good goalscorers and less great defenders, what's the hell happening ?!

I think it's a little premature to judge the attackers. If you look the forwards in the top scorers list are all generally close to 20 goals and we still have a fair amount of the season left. Most should reach around 25 goals at the end of the season. As for Eto'o, I think it's fair to say he's having the season of his life right now. 25 goals and counting is an amazing feat and at the end of the season we're looking at 30+ goals.

As for defenders, the quality doesn't appear as great as before, but I think some younger defenders are coming through which need an eye kept on them. Santacroce, Zapata, Gamberini, Agger all have great potential.

The scoring record just showes Eto'o is a super class player which is visible for like past 5 years and is nothing strange.

I agree that Santacroce and Alex are way better solutions then Kjaer and Agger. But Berlusconi doesnt want to spend money so...

And yes, Thiago is a wild player, but I have confidence he can do well. But maybe boring is right, maybe we'll need more time to get serious.

All in all, one is clear: If Berlusconi doesnt want to spend normally Milan will not be on the top. In that case Im with Milan fans in Italia, sell Milan if you dont want to spend. I have no emocinal connections to Berlusconi.

Also, Zapata? Has anyone actually saw that this year he didnt play, or didnt play that well when he played. Milan needs better defenders, a player like Alex right now and a miracle for Nesta. Having Nesta-Alex would be brilliant, and I'd play Thiago on the RB as he can play it 100%. And in modern football normal solution is that one Cb plays as a fullback.

P.S.

Boring my friend Im searching for what you asked me on ps, I'll send it soon. Stay well!

mrki, my point was Zapata is a talented player and potentially a great defender. He was doing a great job before his injury (which was very serious) and that has affected his season badly. I do believe him not performing particularly well comes down to injury too, it's very hard for a player (especially a defender) to perform after a long lay off as they need consistent playing time. Kaka is in a similar position, he was doing pretty well before his injuries began this season and now he's looking a little lost when on the field.

That doesn't mean Kaka isn't a great player, because he is a great player. Likewise, Zapata is potentially a great defender.

We're being linked with Kanoute in the Spanish press.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

We're being linked with Kanoute in the Spanish press.

Hope there's nothing to these rumors, a 31 year old from spain smells alot like another Shevchenko or Emerson.

About Zapata he's been injured almost all season, and has not played that many games yet. The only game i've seen him play this season was the game against Juventus, where it was obvious that he's got imense talent, like he showed last season. He's a beast in the air, and lives on good anticipation and tackling. He didn't look to good on the ball though towards the end of the game, but I think that was more down to him recovering, cause he was stable last season. Also he's 22, which is no age for a defender.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

What happens to European football ? At the same time, we can hardly give 3 great defenders for each league ... we're far from the time when we could have said Nesta, Maldini, Canavarro, Thuram, Blanc, etc ... there were stars in defence, guys who had real class. Nowadays, no defender can play like Nesta or almost, even Puyol who could be named as the second best defender in the world after Nesta nowadays is far from his level.

So, less very good goalscorers and less great defenders, what's the hell happening ?!

Exactly was I was thinking......
They all seem to fall off from a shelf like a product in a shop. They're all the same nowadays

But guys...even we can't all come together about which player we'd like to see here next season.
My point: whatever Milan does, whoever they buy, there will always be someone unsatisfied.
We all have our own personal taste....


but maybe no one in Milan is talking about Santacroce because they really are trying to get him...and that's why there are all these aggers, kjaers etc......

Also with Donadoni wanting Borriello...I wouldn't think twice to part with Bori if Santacroce was coming in return.

Originally Posted by Mystik

Also with Donadoni wanting Borriello...I wouldn't think twice to part with Bori if Santacroce was coming in return.

You just beat me to the post, i completely agree! Sanatrcroce would be more useful to us.