Summer mercato 2009

How much Santacroce, Agger, Vidic, Akinfeev and Zirkov would cost? Any idea?

Originally Posted by mzk57

Roque Santa Cruz: Do you know that if Alex Ferguson had failed to sign Berbetov, then he would have gone for Santa Cruz, becasue he is that good of a striker. Why ACM want Aderbayor of Arsenal? Only because he scored some 25 goals last season? Guess what, Santa Cruz scored 23 (or 24) goals last season in the same league, but for a much much smaller team and less quality players around than Arsenal players. I saw most of the goals and TBH, Santa Cruz goals were much better. Plus Santa Cruz plays and scores regularly for Paraguay NT, who are at the top of WC-2010 Qualification Table of South America, which means he is the lead striker of a very very good National Team. Plus he can do what your highly ratted Serie-A player; Zlatan Ibrahimovic can't do and that is to go to Old Trafford and score against Man Utd. Any one who has seen Santa Cruz playing for last 1 year can say that he is twice as good as Marco Borriellio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GY7d...eature=related

i remember a time when cesare maldini was advising the management to sign santa cruz when he was in germany..

Originally Posted by mzk57

Geo you should start watching some EPL matches. They are exciting as well.

i guess Geotav does not want to hear commentators saying crouch is the best striker in the world soon after he scores a brace..

Originally Posted by mzk57

How much Santacroce, Agger, Vidic, Akinfeev and Zirkov would cost? Any idea?

Santacroce--->i cant see Napoli let him go for anything less than 25mln..

Agger---->i think he's a free agent or has one year in his contract by the end of this season..would take about 6-8mln..if he's free,galliani is getting him for sure..

Vidic----->i cant see him coming but would take about 20mln or more..

Akinfeev---->No EU passport..not willing to take a risk since we got only one spot left,we better give that spot to leonardo..he would use it wisely..

Zhirkov---->No EU passport..but would be a great signing..so we move on..

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Who we are linked to doesn't dictate who we should rely at LB. I'm just saying Janku's defending has been awful and imo we shouldn't settle for such a weak link that's been costing us for years now, especially when we see how useful he is in midfield.

As for Cannavaro, whilst he won't rebuild the defence, as a backup option I wouldn't mind taking him (though whether he'll accept that role I don't know). We do need a defender to come off the bench as well as a new starter, and as we're not looking to spend huge funds, Canna may be a decent short term solution.

I dont think you understand where Im coming from. My whole point is that Jankulovski is playing badly now, because he is surrounded by morons who cant defend. Milan doesnt have a single solid defender to rely on right now. Janku is never going to command a starting role in our midfield as long as there are Pirlo, Flamini, Gatusso, Seedorf, Beckham and Ambrosini to contend with. So signing a leftback would spell the end for Jankulovski. Soemtimes, I dont think people give him the credit he deserves, I dont see any other Milan player apart from Gatusso who runs as much as him and when it comes to taking on fullbacks he is so brave.

I am adamant that any leftback we sign including a player like Cliche is going to struggle next to Kaladze, Maldini and Senderos. As far as Im concerned there are far more players who need the boot than him and far fewer players that we will be able to rely on as long as other departments are strengthened. Thats why I would be happy to see Jankulovski continue at left back supported by two real centre backs. If ancelotti can slowly bed Mattioni in then that will give him the time and calm atmosphere he needs to grow into that position when Janku reaches the end of his capabilities.

About Cannavaro, he isnt any man's sub. As far as egos go, hes from the land of the giants. I have been saying for the past 3 summers that we need to start bringing younger players in or we will be at a point where we have to sign a whole new starting elleven in one summer.

I just dont understand how Milan fans would be happy to see Cannavaro arrive when the only players below 27 (Supposedly peak age) who are guranteed starters are Pato and Kaka. That little fact scares the hell out of me.

Mate, you replied me exactly in a way you shouldn't ... your post looks like you misunderstood totally what I said !!
Let's go slowly for the answer (and read it ENTIRELY please).

Originally Posted by mzk57

Last season Reading relegated, Kitson (ST) and Nicky Shorey (LB) who were their main players moved on
When Shefeld Utd got relegated, Phil Jagiealka moved on
When Crystal Place relegated, Andy Johnson moved on
When mighty Leed Utd relegated, Alan Smith and Mark Viduka moved on
and there are several more examples.........
Sorry but you are wrong there

... quote ...

Well may be your rite, but say if ACM is interested in Roque Santa Cruz, then there are more chances of him requesting a move to San Siro than say Tottenhem or Aston Villa etc. Players own choice also counts in transfers, rite?

Yeah, they sell one or two players, so it's what I say, when these clubs are relegated, they are able to keep most of their players !!
And then, of course, the player can choose, but the first step in the deal is the choice of the club: if Aston Villa offers 15M for Santa Cruz and if Milan offers 7M, even if the player wants to come in Milan, do you really think that his club will accept the offer of Milan ??

Originally Posted by mzk57

And Emerson, Sendros, Favalli, Kaladze, Ambrosini, Seedorf, $hevchenk0, d!da and even Beckham are good enough for ACM? On one side fans complain about the lack of depth and quality in ACM squad and then to say that these kind of players are not good for ACM does not make any sence.

Did I say that the players you named are good enough for Milan ? If yes, tell me where ? The only guys in your list who could still be useful are Kaladze as a backup, Seedorf as a backup and maybe Beckham if he isn't used as a starter too.
Then, you want to replace decent players by other decent players ? So let's keep our players ... no need to spend on the mercato to have a decent team.

Originally Posted by mzk57

Do you want this to be ACM 23 men squad?

Goalkeepers: Cech, Abbiatti, Kalac
Defenders: Nesta, Agger, Vidic, Bonera, Zambrotta, Zirkov and Dani Alvez
Midfielders: Kaka, Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Flamini, Gourcoff, Gattuso, Ribbery, Gerrard and C.Ronaldo
Forwards: Pato, David Villa, Eto'o and Torres

This is only possible in Fifa-2009

Pointless ... who do you try to convince there ? Yourself ? So I won't say anything about that.

Originally Posted by mzk57

ACM do need good quality squad players in additions to our good players. I am not saying that all the players I mentioned should become a starter at ACM. There is a starting-11 and then there is a squad of 23. Some of them could become a perfect squad players at ACM. Specially:-

Damien Duff: ...

Roque Santa Cruz: ...

Similarly
Bred Emerton is better than Emerson and Ambrosini
Robert Huth is better than Sendros, Favalli and Kaladze
MG Pedrson, Tunchai Sanli are better than Beckham and Seedorf
Afonso Alvez and Beni Mcarthy are surely better than $hevchenk0

You see, there are rumours of Ancelotti wanting Eto'o to partner Pato, but of course, in your thought, it is better to buy, probably for the same price, guys like Alves, McCarthy (a joke !!), or Martins who will be better/more useful than Sheva (not difficult to be better than him anyway), who will be our 3rd choice in attack. And it's only an example with the attack. I won't explain more by giving examples with the midfield or defence.

Originally Posted by mzk57

Geo you should start watching some EPL matches. They are exciting as well.[/font][/color]

I don't like the way they play, I just try to get the news sometimes, but really, for me, even a race of horses is more exciting than that (and I don't like these races).

We are in for Neymar and Keirrison:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...-and-keirrison
I think we should sign them plus GK+Santacoruce+CB+DE Silvestri+Zunga (from Siena)+Gorky+Meriga+Aculiani and Ben Sahar (From Chelsea I saw him yesterday and he have a lot of talent!!!)

This sounds very realistic we can sign them all + Benzema!

To reply a last time to mzk (I just thought about another way to say that his post was like a joke): you don't build a team by buying players for the bench (your list is potential benched players). You build a team by buying 1-2 players each year able to be starters (so if they become starters, the former starters go on the bench, and so you have reinforced your squad) and eventually, young players who will sit on the bench and play sometimes. This is a great mercato ...

Your EPL players mentionned previously are just good enough to go on the bench (and they are expensive), so you actually reinforce your team "by the down", I don't know if it has any sense in English, I mean, you add quantity but not necessarly quality with these players, whereas, for example, Gourcuff, Eto'o and a defender (+ a GK to replace both Dida and Kalac) will add quality AND quantity.

PS: When I'm serious, I think we can't buy 3 WC players able to be starters, 2 is already a lot ...

Originally Posted by K77SH C

I dont think you understand where Im coming from. My whole point is that Jankulovski is playing badly now, because he is surrounded by morons who cant defend. Milan doesnt have a single solid defender to rely on right now. Janku is never going to command a starting role in our midfield as long as there are Pirlo, Flamini, Gatusso, Seedorf, Beckham and Ambrosini to contend with. So signing a leftback would spell the end for Jankulovski. Soemtimes, I dont think people give him the credit he deserves, I dont see any other Milan player apart from Gatusso who runs as much as him and when it comes to taking on fullbacks he is so brave.

I am adamant that any leftback we sign including a player like Cliche is going to struggle next to Kaladze, Maldini and Senderos. As far as Im concerned there are far more players who need the boot than him and far fewer players that we will be able to rely on as long as other departments are strengthened. Thats why I would be happy to see Jankulovski continue at left back supported by two real centre backs. If ancelotti can slowly bed Mattioni in then that will give him the time and calm atmosphere he needs to grow into that position when Janku reaches the end of his capabilities.

About Cannavaro, he isnt any man's sub. As far as egos go, hes from the land of the giants. I have been saying for the past 3 summers that we need to start bringing younger players in or we will be at a point where we have to sign a whole new starting elleven in one summer.

I just dont understand how Milan fans would be happy to see Cannavaro arrive when the only players below 27 (Supposedly peak age) who are guranteed starters are Pato and Kaka. That little fact scares the hell out of me.

Janku's defending has been horrendous for some time now. If you remember Maldini had to be playing LB against all the strong teams simply because Janku could not defend. This happened in the Club World Cup if I'm not mistaken as well as in other important matches. Janku's defending is simply atrocious and he can no longer be our starting LB. Do you feel comfortable having Cristiano or Messi up against Janku ?

Originally Posted by regin

Santacroce--->i cant see Napoli let him go for anything less than 25mln..

Plus, he shouldn't be allowed to drive to the games.

Shortly back to the old topic how Gerrard "cant play well for England" etc... And what I tried to explain that Cappello will sort it out. coz England never had a good manager untill now...

I found this on calciomercato from Mourinho:
“Gerrard e Lampard insieme sarebbero un problema? Ma per favore! Stiamo parlando di due dei primi cinque centrocampisti al mondo e non c’è allenatore, di club o di nazionale, che non sognerebbe di averli. Del resto, non è un mistero per nessuno che avevo cercato di prendere Steven quand’ero al Chelsea per farlo giocare insieme con Frank perché sapevo che sarebbero diventati una coppia immarcabile. Fabio Capello è un top manager e questa cosa la sa anche lui”.

Originally Posted by Mystik

Janku's defending has been horrendous for some time now. If you remember Maldini had to be playing LB against all the strong teams simply because Janku could not defend. This happened in the Club World Cup if I'm not mistaken as well as in other important matches. Janku's defending is simply atrocious and he can no longer be our starting LB. Do you feel comfortable having Cristiano or Messi up against Janku ?

If Milan had Thiago and a centreback like Zapatta next to Janku I would feel perfectly comfortable about Janku plying against two of the hottest players in the world right now that every left back in the world would have a hard time with.

If Jankulovski has been a poor defender then its because we dont have a defence and we expect him to do too much.

Originally Posted by K77SH C

If Milan had Thiago and a centreback like Zapatta next to Janku I would feel perfectly comfortable about Janku plying against two of the hottest players in the world right now that every left back in the world would have a hard time with.

If Jankulovski has been a poor defender then its because we dont have a defence and we expect him to do too much.

LOL part of the reason we don't have a defense is because our left back can't defend. Yes our CB's can't defend either but whenever someone gets onto the wing, they're usually guaranteed a free cross into the box. I can't honestly believe I'm debating Janku's incompetence in defense. I thought this was a well known and accepted fact.

Look, I don't think we need a full squad overhaul. If Thiago Silva is as good as he is supposed to be, then we need a top centerback (Alex, Cannavaro, whoever) to start alongside him, and we have good replacements in Bonera, Kaladze. We are set at RB with Zambro/Antonini, we need a good left back---Maxwell or better yet Clichy would be great.

Our midfield is good. Pirlo, Gatusso, Flamini, Ambro, Becks is as good as any. We just need to get rid of the deadweights and perhaps start playing Janku as LM.

THe only department lacking is the striker department---Pato is the only reilable striker we have. Pippo is great, but cannot string together more than 3 or 4 games. Sheva is finished. Boriello injured. A good targetman would do the trick. God, how I regret not signing Amauri this past summer..

There are 3 names that I would really love to see in attack. First Benzema - we have no chance of buying him, because he is too expensive. Second Villa - same as Benzema and also he has no intentions on leaving Spain. Third Diego Milito - this is a guy that I would like to see the most in Milan jersey. For me he is fantastic and I think we could get him for about 20 mil. Pato-Milito would be a dream attack.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=145582

Oh, looks like Inter is making all the right steps...