Summer mercato 2009

In short, KAka' says our midfielders need to play up and down, he talked about MODERN football! One of these players is Hernanes, Fabregas and even Gourcuff ( depends on how he's played ). Enough of deep super-passer Pirlo and walking Seedorf. That doesnt work anymore.

Originally Posted by mrki

In short, KAka' says our midfielders need to play up and down, he talked about MODERN football! One of these players is Hernanes, Fabregas and even Gourcuff ( depends on how he's played ). Enough of deep super-passer Pirlo and walking Seedorf. That doesnt work anymore.

Kaka' : "Si al calcio moderno"
Mrki: "No al calcio moderno"

Gus I just read on an Egyptian site that Villa said that playing with Ibrahemovic would be something great.
thinking about Ibr and Villa and Balotelli in one squad...........brrrrrrrrr very scary.

Originally Posted by hany.Egypt

Gus I just read on an Egyptian site that Villa said that playing with Ibrahemovic would be something great.
thinking about Ibr and Villa and Balotelli in one squad...........brrrrrrrrr very scary.

Not very scary my friend IF they play for Inter.

Originally Posted by Jeff

I still don't understand this argument about which league is better. Playing well in CL doesn't mean that whichever team that wins that league is a 'better' league. The simple reason is that you are equating one person as a representative of the entire nation.

WE already know, very well, that Milan, Juve, Man U, Liverpool, Real M., has a lot more 'prestige' in their names than teams like Chelsea etc. At the end of the day, I really think 'prestige' matters in attracting team players. Unless you screw yourself up completely financially (like Nottingham Tree or Sheffield Wednesday or Wimbledon), these teams are still one with high levels of prestige and honor that attract talents.

My meaning was that "You are a world class player, you want to play in a world class club wich is at the best league of the world, and this is at England.Why to choose Italy insteaf of them?"
The most logical is to choose Chelsea,Man Utd,Liverpool over us!
About the prestige, i think we had prestige, now we don't have that, chelsea has more prestige from us, they have a better team and they are playing at the best league. They have more possibilities to attract players from us.We had a great past but now nothing, chelsea had no past but they have a great now. In simple....everyone wants to play with the best teams, and we are not like them.
Just think that we are a circus and a football shame keeping players like favali,Maldini,kalac,Dida,kaladze,emerson and some others and paying them to much.

I agree that at the moment the teams you mention are 'over' us, but I'm not sure if I will agree with you that Chelsea has more prestige than us. Prestige, I think, shouldn't be built just by ONE day, or ONE GOOD year.

And after all, nobody remembers the loser. They remember the winner. It's the winner-take-all game.

And as a matter of truth, in terms of trophy and recent (recent I mean for the past decade), Milan is one of the most, if not the most, successful teams. Liverpool, Man U, Real M. and Barcelona are also close, and Chelsea is nowhere near in terms of prestige.

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Your last sentence is right, but you have also left out players like Gattuso, Kaka`, R80, Pato, (and btw, I'm surprised you put Maldini's name there; I imagine any defenders would like to play alongside with Maldini, far away from the 'circuit' that you're talking about), Pirlo, and Gattuso (and Flamini, if you will).

Note: 'm not saying Milan shouldn't change: I'm just saying that some of you are in such a negative mindset all the time that you only see the negative side; there is no problem with it, of course, because then you'll take action to solve problems. But you also misses out opportunities for growth internally.

It's laughable how because Milan played terrible for just a few years and we are considered no longer prestigious. What makes you think prestige goes away just so easily, if it takes years to build it? Reputation, yes; prestige? no.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Kaka' : "Si al calcio moderno"
Mrki: "No al calcio moderno"

hahaha! bravo man!

Yes to fast football, no to NBA audience!

It will take Chelsea years to reach the level of prestige that Milan has. I don't think there are many young players coming through around the world right now who have "a life-long dream of playing for Chelsea", they way they might with Milan, Barca, United etc. If Chelsea can keep it up it will change of course, but it takes more than five years.

As for the EPL being the strongest league in Europe, the CL proves very little. It's only the top 4 in England that's stronger than the top 4 of Spain and Italy. And the reason for that (apart from their ridiculous amounts of money) is the "weakness" of the EPL - the lack of strength in depth.

You have the same 4 teams qualifying for the CL year in, year out, obviously they'll improve like that. But the English mid- and lower-table teams are certainly not superior to the Spanish and Italian ones. The UEFA cup serves as prove of that as well as the almost complete lack of upsets in the EPL (I mean small teams beating big ones) which are far more infrequent than in Italy and especially Spain.

Originally Posted by mrki

In short, KAka' says our midfielders need to play up and down, he talked about MODERN football! One of these players is Hernanes, Fabregas and even Gourcuff ( depends on how he's played ). Enough of deep super-passer Pirlo and walking Seedorf. That doesnt work anymore.

I just don't get the whole slacking Pirlo all the time... You have to realise that the reason he plays so far back is because he's been instructed to do so. Watch any Italy game and watch him play as a number 10, and watch him do it like one of the best in the world... Ofcourse he's not gonna be creating a million chances playing in front of the defence, but that's Carlo's fault if any.

Really the Pirlo hating is uncalled for, and we would be making a BIG mistake if we stopped playing him, he's 29, and he is definetly still one of the best midfielders in the world.

Is England the better league? Lets break it down.
Marketing and promotion: Prem is light years ahead of Italy and way ahead of Spain.
Competition: Prem has more movement and teams rarely play for the draw even against the big 4. Italy-no need to say how teams play. And Spain is somewhere in the middle.
Atmosphere: Prem and Spain are about the same level due to constantly selling out its stadium, can't really say that about Italy.
Players: Can't really compare as all three leagues have players that can dominte the game. If you pick best 18 players from each league, maybe I am bias toward Italy, I think Series A has the best team.

To be honest, even though I love Milan and all, I must admit that if I am a player at Villa's level, I will choose to play in England more than Italy or Spain.
Mainly b.c of how the game is play and its atmosphere. The game is more open, the atmosphere is always great with the sell out crowd.

TO be honest, I had been saying this for awhile, if Series A or Spain or any league that wants to challenge the Prem, it starts with marketing and promotion of the the league as awhole and not just individual teams.
Esp. Series A as they really have problems of getting fans into the stadium. B/c when I watch matches, I can feel the excitment in the stands when I watch the Prem and Liga, but I really can't feel that with Series A unless it is rival matches, like Inter Vs Milan. But thats not the case with Prem and Liga.
Secondly the game itself. Series A is really boring, I had been watching it for almost 20yrs and it had never been this bad. Just the other days as I was cleaning up my storage, I found VCR tapes(DVD back in the early 90s) of Milan and other Series A games in the early 90s, and they were great matches, even if the score was 0-0, the speed of the game was fast and the atmoshpere was also awesome, in short it was like watching a Prem game now. What happened????

I think Series A has alot of problems and pls stop fooling yourself and say that it is on the same level or just abit behind of the Prem, b/c it isn't. Yes, it might be true that beside the BIG 4, the Prem level is a huge drop off, but the game itself is not and the fans still flock to the stadiums.

Originally Posted by Jeff

I agree that at the moment the teams you mention are 'over' us, but I'm not sure if I will agree with you that Chelsea has more prestige than us. Prestige, I think, shouldn't be built just by ONE day, or ONE GOOD year.

And after all, nobody remembers the loser. They remember the winner. It's the winner-take-all game.

And as a matter of truth, in terms of trophy and recent (recent I mean for the past decade), Milan is one of the most, if not the most, successful teams. Liverpool, Man U, Real M. and Barcelona are also close, and Chelsea is nowhere near in terms of prestige.

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Your last sentence is right, but you have also left out players like Gattuso, Kaka`, R80, Pato, (and btw, I'm surprised you put Maldini's name there; I imagine any defenders would like to play alongside with Maldini, far away from the 'circuit' that you're talking about), Pirlo, and Gattuso (and Flamini, if you will).

Note: 'm not saying Milan shouldn't change: I'm just saying that some of you are in such a negative mindset all the time that you only see the negative side; there is no problem with it, of course, because then you'll take action to solve problems. But you also misses out opportunities for growth internally.

It's laughable how because Milan played terrible for just a few years and we are considered no longer prestigious. What makes you think prestige goes away just so easily, if it takes years to build it? Reputation, yes; prestige? no.

To me Prestige is a better word than History. And I agree with u completely about Milan is probably one of the most prestigous club around the world, it is on the same level as Real, Barcelona, Juve, Pool, Boca Jr and Sao Paolo.

To be honest, I won't even consider Man U a pretigous b/c to me they are only great for the last 15 yrs or so. Yes, they were great in the 60s too, but thats nothing compare to us, and Real.

The thing is that ManU is a machine in terms of marketing itself and on top of that EPL also markets itself better than Series A.
As for Milan losing its prestige, well, you can't lose it but as I said earlier, prestige is just another word for HISTORY. And if we continue to play the way we had been playing, Carlo continues to use the same players, and Galli continue with his policy of buying has been. We will always be a team with a great history while at the same time-no future.

Originally Posted by Christian

I just don't get the whole slacking Pirlo all the time... You have to realise that the reason he plays so far back is because he's been instructed to do so. Watch any Italy game and watch him play as a number 10, and watch him do it like one of the best in the world... Ofcourse he's not gonna be creating a million chances playing in front of the defence, but that's Carlo's fault if any.

Really the Pirlo hating is uncalled for, and we would be making a BIG mistake if we stopped playing him, he's 29, and he is definetly still one of the best midfielders in the world.

I think Pirlo is great player but that does not mean Milan should not offload him.
TO me, Pirlo is great as long as he has other players to do all the running for him. For example, if Pirlo is playing for Pool, he will probably win FIFA player of the year award, as he got literally the whole team running up and down the field for him. But when he plays for us, who is running beside Kaka, Pato, Zambro and Janku. Seedorf walks on the pitch and even when he runs, it seems like he is jogging. R80 is Pirlo with better dribbling and footwork skills.
To me, in order for Pirlo to stay and be effective, Seedorf and R80 must not be on the field with him. Flamini, Janku and Beckham must be his midfield partners with Kaka and Pato as strikers with Zambro and Antonini playing FBs.

But you and I both knows that Carlo will never try this.

I've read a rumour that Meerseman (however you spell it, the guy incharge of MilanLab) has offered his resignation as a result of the troubles that have happened to Nesta, Boriello, Ronaldo and Kaka but Milan has rejected it. Any one hear anything on this matter?

I would not blame Nesta, Ronaldo and Borreillo injury on him. As Nesta is abit of injury prone, esp since the WC06. Ronaldo, his injury was inflicked during a game but his conditioning was horrible due to his lifestyle. As for Borreillo, he was rushed back b/c Carlo lacked strikers.
For the Kaka's injury, no comment on that.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Is England the better league? Lets break it down.
Marketing and promotion: Prem is light years ahead of Italy and way ahead of Spain.
Competition: Prem has more movement and teams rarely play for the draw even against the big 4. Italy-no need to say how teams play. And Spain is somewhere in the middle.
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Secondly the game itself. Series A is really boring, I had been watching it for almost 20yrs and it had never been this bad. Just the other days as I was cleaning up my storage, I found VCR tapes(DVD back in the early 90s) of Milan and other Series A games in the early 90s, and they were great matches, even if the score was 0-0, the speed of the game was fast and the atmoshpere was also awesome, in short it was like watching a Prem game now. What happened????

The bolded part: It's true the smaller English teams tend to attack the bigger ones a lot more than in Italy, and to a lesser extent Spain. But when you're talking competition in the league it should be about the results that are achieved by the small clubs, not how they are achieved. And I think it's a fact (I haven't thoroughly checked it yet) that the Italian and (in particular) the Spanish leagues are more balanced.

The second part: Yes, Italian football can be very boring, but so too can English football. It all depends on what you like. To me EPL can be very boring because of the sometimes embarrasing technical level. Even in the game between Chelsea and Liverpool (not exactly a boring game per se ) the amount of poor passes and basic errors was incredible.