Summer mercato 2009

Pls, don't for one second think Galli is saint compare to Moggi as they are the same level, the only diff. is Moggi got caught and Galli did not.

As for having Moggi at Milan, well, thats interesting as on one hand he actually has a plan in how to develop the squad and actually sticking to it, and bringing in new talent players all the time, while on the other hand, he will sell Kaka and Pato if the prices is right.

One thing for sure though, changes are needed in Milan, if this team stay the same for next season, we will end up fighting for CL spot again instead of challenging INter for the League.

I DO think Moggi is talking about us, as I do still remember that mysterious meeting of Moggi and Berlusconi just before the Calciopoli.

And Mrki posted a wonderful post about Pirlo and Pippo. I really have had enough with Pirlo not putting in effort. I agree with ARIO, we need to kick out Carlo ASAP and let the new coach come in and set his foundations and whatever. Kicking out Carlo will result in other advantages such as kicking out Kaladze, Seedorf, Ambrosini and benching has-beens like Janku (a never been actually) and Pirlo.

It's all about the system we play and how we utilize our players. Pirlo is an awesome player when utilized correctly. I think when we play teams that close down, we need faster players, wingers who can spread the play and create space---in this context, Pirlo is quite useless as his lack of pace doesnt help, and any pinpoint passes he makes only goes to the opposition. BUt, when we play big CL games against attack minded teams, Pirlo is awesome, we need him to dictate the tempo and connect defense to midfield and midfield to attack.

THe problem is that Carlo only seems to know one way to play----and that one way seems to include Pirlo and Seedorf regardless of their form or the opposition.

Now, with Moggi---what good could he do to our club with his tarnished reputation? I don't care if Galliani and co do the same, Moggi has been caught and convicted and anyone associated with him has suffered. I don't want to win some scudettos and then have them revoked due to offhand dealings of the general manager.

Originally Posted by mrki

Why, why(???), even mentioning in the same sentence defensive duties of Pirlo and PATO?
That makes no sence in any context...

Also, lets see how many seconds Pirlo will sprint in the game, and how many he will jog on the field pretending to be a no.10. Pirlo has some brilliant games and moves, but he is not working hard for past 2 years in most cases and people got sick of him.

Of course Milan will not sell Pirlo, Im also against it. But everyone needs to deserve to play in first 11. He is not god, he is a player in nad shape. We'll not even mention Seedorf who is below all standards of modern football right now.

Firstly, you haven't read my post properly at all as I never mention the defensive duties of Pirlo and Pato, and more importantly, I'm not comparing them, but making the distinction that we shouldn't expect the same number of offensive moves from Pirlo that we do from Pato (who was an example) as they play completely different roles.

As for Pirlo not sprinting, I've said it before that it's due to tactics. I even cited Carlo admitting in an interview Pirlo get's more freedom with Italy...

Originally Posted by Carlo Ancelotti

"With the national team Pirlo plays in a different position than with Milan. In the match against Montenegro he had more freedom compared to his usual position. Seven years ago he proposed to play as a central midfielder and if he now wants to play in a different role I will listen to him, but Andrea is such an intelligent player that he would never ask me that. He has become the best player in his position and I think it's both his desire and mine that he continues to play in front of the defence.

I've bolded the parts where he clearly states how Pirlo plays with more freedom with Italy than at Milan where he's used in front of the defence. Tactically, Pirlo can't run as he doesn't have the freedom to do so. Against Cagliari, where he was given more freedom for once, he ran a lot more and often ran at opponents. In other matches, he will make a pass and if he's not in front of the defence for some reason, he will move back to that position immediately.

And Pirlo is not in bad shape at all. He's been one of our more consistent performers this half of the season.

Originally Posted by Tony75

He didn't say anything about def duties. He was talking about how they move the ball offensively.

He did make a mistake in comparing their roles in that respect as Pato, bar Kaka is our main goal threat, and will therefore have more pressure on him when he has the ball, whilst Pirlo will only be pressured if an opponent is directly opposing, otherwise they'll drop off to fill in gaps.

Again, as I said to Mrki, I wasn't comparing Pato to Pirlo, I was making a distinction between the two. I said it so that people won't come back and argue "I did your test and Pirlo did so many progressive moves, but it's still nothing compared to Pato or Kaka who did this many more".

Agree 100% with 1983

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

I don't see why you would want Leonardo. He's a completely unknown factor as a coach.

I'd keep Viudez and send him on loan (as with Darmian), and I wouldn't add Paloschi, I think he needs to develop by playing frequently.

I also wouldn't want Mexes in all honesty, I think he's very highly overrated and instead I would rather look to try and get Alex or even moreso, my dream CB signing would be Santacroce.

Also, I like the look of Hernanes, but I don't see where we'd use him. As for Benzema, I think he's out of our reach. Right now maybe Dzeko is more realistic.

We're currently linked with Barzagli, apparently we're looking to see how he's doing in Germany.

To Xvr11
Aquilani is one of the best midfilfers in Seria A not only in Roma, probably you did not notice that because you watch Roma only in the champions league (which I don't as I watch them in Seria A only) but keep in mind that those who doesn't follow Seria A used to say the same about Totti who is world class, the problem with Aquilani is that he is very prone to injuries so when ever gets fit and start performing he gets injured again and strugle again to reach his old form and so on.

About this endless discussion about Pirlo, to those who wants to get rid of him, I would like to ask 1 question why do you want to sell Pirlo and want to keep kaka? Both are underperforming at the moment and haven't performed well for roughly 2 years, if you want to be fair then sell both or keep both but selling one and keeping the other means you have double standards.

One last thing, so long as Italian defenders are not capable of playing for Milan then we have to go for forgine one and any talk about the Italian identity and Italian core will be useless as well as racist (at least its my opinion).

I personally feel with Valencia being deeply in the red Milan should offload Sheva and Seedorf and move for Silva and Villa.

Also I've always been one of the few to say that Carlo should stay but I just dont see the club going forward with him in charge.

Our only problem is that Carlo Ancelotti can't play modern football. We can't lead the game and play faster although we have got the best technical 2nd line and forwards in Serie A. We have problems with posession attacking. We need someone who can change our way of playing. Then we can change the weakest points in our squad. That's my point of view.

I hope, Abramovich will enjoy Carletto.

Originally Posted by maslok

Our only problem is that Carlo Ancelotti can't play modern football. We can't lead the game and play faster although we have got the best technical 2nd line and forwards in Serie A. We have problems with posession attacking. We need someone who can change our way of playing. Then we can change the weakest points in our squad. That's my point of view.

I hope, Abramovich will enjoy Carletto.

well said

I hope, Abramovich will enjoy Carletto.

And sheva as well, amen.

Jeff and ACMILAN1983, I will explain all the details and elaborate futher lately coz I dont have time right now at this mment. Just wanted to say sorry if I misunderstood some parts of your posts. That stuff oftenly happens in forums so people in the end talk different things.

Still I just want to say Im NOT for Pirlo's sale! But just for making him work harder and if needed benching him when Pirlo is not at his top. Coz when Pirlo is not on his top he creates problems to his team due to his fragile phisical presence in the middle of the field. When team is underperforminh Pirlo will not raise the team, but will fall down with it. He plays well when players around him play well. Someone compared Pirlo and Kaka's influence - dont do that.Etc...

I'll explain further in some other post.

P.S.

Moggi? Anyday as far as Im concerned. Agnielli bought games, Moggi was his employ. And Moggi is a genial football scout. Probably the best in the world.

No worry; one reason why that post of mine really sucks coz I wrote it in such a short period of time (in a rush)... it's ok even if you can't respond in a while...

Originally Posted by mrki

Still I just want to say Im NOT for Pirlo's sale! But just for making him work harder and if needed benching him when Pirlo is not at his top. Coz when Pirlo is not on his top he creates problems to his team due to his fragile phisical presence in the middle of the field. When team is underperforminh Pirlo will not raise the team, but will fall down with it. He plays well when players around him play well. Someone compared Pirlo and Kaka's influence - dont do that.Etc...

I'll explain further in some other post.

P.S.

Moggi? Anyday as far as Im concerned. Agnielli bought games, Moggi was his employ. And Moggi is a genial football scout. Probably the best in the world.

Exactly
and he is not the reason why Milan doesn’t play well all the time
He doesn’t have the same constancy like 2 or 3 seasons ago but he’s still an important player for Milan

I can’t say i agree on what u said about Moggi
But we don’t need him anyway couz we already have someone like him…
He just hasn’t been caught yet … LOL

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