Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Ceceves

On another note (in addition to K77SH C's post), we've also been linked with two other CBs recently: Diego Godín of Villarreal and Adil Rami of Lille (on tuttom...). Young players, mind you!

The forst is 6 foot 1 and the second is 6 foot 3.

Lets hope Milan are looking for quality aswel as height.

Please don't make Pato the innocent victim here in terms of his treatment by Dunga. At the time, he had some attitude problems of his own and Dunga disciplined him appropriately.

They don't seem to have completely gone away, either, if this webcam video he supposedly appeared on recently is to be believed.

Originally Posted by Blacktop

Please don't make Pato the innocent victim here in terms of his treatment by Dunga. At the time, he had some attitude problems of his own and Dunga disciplined him appropriately.

They don't seem to have completely gone away, either, if this webcam video he supposedly appeared on recently is to be believed.

Firstly, it is rumours, we don't know if it is true or not.
Secondly, if it is true, it's his personal life, isn't it ? And this kind of thing will not make him playing better or worse ... so we don't have to say anything about that, nor judge, it's not a problem of attitude there.

Problems of attitude are things like missing trainings, going in a club the day before a game, being agressive with his team mates, things that are directly linked to the form of the player and the way he plays ...

Pato, who before the Olympics had time in the Brazilian NT (the normal one, not the Olympics one), had to be a starter for the Olympics. Instead of that, Dunga chose to use Rafael Sobis like a starter whereas this guy wasn't even a sixth choice of Dunga for the "normal" Brazilian NT ... and he said something that couldn't help Pato to play well: he said that Sobis was better than Pato and it's why he used him instead of Pato !! If Ancelotti said something like that, you would have asked for him to be fired !! Oh, and just like that, where is Rafael Sobis now ? Nowhere if you compare him to Pato ...

Originally Posted by Ceceves

On another note (in addition to K77SH C's post), we've also been linked with two other CBs recently: Diego Godín of Villarreal and Adil Rami of Lille (on tuttom...). Young players, mind you!

I'm a bit afraid about these rumours ... I don't know Diego Godin enough to make a statement about him, but I'd just say he didn't impress me at all in the two rounds against Arsenal. About Rami, it's simply his first year in Ligue 1 !!

So I'd say like with Hoarau from PSG (Paris), taking him would be a kind of bet as it's his first season at high level. Maybe I'd be even more prudent with Rami than with Hoarau by adding that Ligue 1 is a very defensive championship: the mistakes done by some defenders are sometimes cleared by other defensive players whereas in other leagues, as it is more attack-minded, the mistake would lead to a goal. Be careful, I don't say here that Rami made mistakes ... , he's done a very good season so far, he firstly won his starting place and is nowadays the most important player of their defence.

So like with Hoarau, I would take an option on the player, let him one more year in his current club (especially as, for Hoarau, Paris is maybe going to qualify for the next CL, and for Lille, they are probably going to qualify for UEFA Cup ... yeah I changed my predictions since the other time as a lot of things happened in few games !! ).

About Trezeguet, as someone mentionned earlier: no way. He's a Juventus player so it is already a good reason not to buy him. He's going to be 32, so it is another reason. He's injury prone, third reason not to take him. He often has problems with someone (Domenech in French NT, but we can't blame him for that lol, Ranieri in Juventus now, who's next ?). And to finish, do we need a kind of clone of Inzaghi ? Trezeguet is this old-school striker type, he doesn't defend, he doesn't move a lot, he doesn't dribble (once by year), he is "just" excellent to place himself to score, like Inzaghi.

It was such a good day, first official statement of Emerson leaving, then a rumor linking us with Zapata, and as the night is still young, hopefully, Seedorf is caught with drugs and be suspend for life.....

Anyhow, just want to reply to comments made toward my post earlier.

First of all, I am never a Carlo's supporter, I gave him credit here and there before but not for once am I convince about his coaching and managing skills.

Secondly, when I said about Bobo(Veiri) and Rivaldo, I believe that they were better players than what they showed in Milan even at their age. Maybe they were only a fraction of the players compare to their peak but they still have it in them. Just like Dinho now, he might never be at his best in Milan but he is sure better than having 20mins per game now.

Thirdly, Laursen's comment. If he actually stayed in Milan, he is much better than Kaladze, Bonera, Favalli and Senderous. On top of that, I am glad someone brought up the making a mistake's comment, and compare that with players like Kaka and Pato. You see, when an attacker made mistake, unless he missed an open net goal, he won't be critize esp if he score a goal in the end. But when a defender made a mistake, it usually result in a goal or a good chance on goal. My point is that if you are an attacker, you can afford to make a mistake where as you can't as a defender. Thats to me is why Kaka and Pato can manage to crack the starting 11 and guys like Coloccini and Laursen can't even be on the bench.
As for Gourcuff, I believe Carlo did not play him at a position of comfort from the start.

Originally Posted by Blacktop

Please don't make Pato the innocent victim here in terms of his treatment by Dunga. At the time, he had some attitude problems of his own and Dunga disciplined him appropriately.

They don't seem to have completely gone away, either, if this webcam video he supposedly appeared on recently is to be believed.

Are you from Brazil?? If so, can you tell me more about this "attitude problems"??

I never heard anything here in Brazil about attitude problems of Pato...So, I will be pleased if you put some links about this "rumor", because I really can´t remember of to read or heard anything about this "fact" here in Brazil...

Dunga never rated Pato, and his "hate" over Pato was the reason of one of his big brawls with Brazilian press(Dunga is a master of it). Everyone(press and supporters) in Brazil wanted Pato called for Brazil NT, but Dunga said at that time that he couldn´t call a player that isn´t playing regular football(Pato´s first six months in Italy)...fair enough.

But, if it was the truth, why is Dunga calling T. Silva now that he is in the same situation of Pato?? Calling T. Silva now when he´s in the same situation of Pato is at least suspect...

Btw, this Dunga character is the same that in the past tell some people of press(in off) that one of his teammates(Mario Sérgio) was using illegal substances...this almost finish Mario Sérgio career(and wasn´t proved) and even the journalist apologized with the player several years after publishing the history.

This Dunga also was the player that led a movement(with other players) to only give interview to the biggest Brazilian TV channel in the World Cup, and only God know what he receive for that.

So, don´t come here to say that he has moral to teach a boy that is praised as a great character for every person of the press that know or work with him. Also, everyone at Internacional(his former club) only has good words about the boy, so it will be good if you post any reliable source about this "attitude problem"...

Btw, the only player Dunga said that had attitude problem in Olympics was Marcelo...and even the justification was laughable:
"Playing to cocky" ... Yep, maybe because Marcelo was humiliating people with his dribles, nuttmeges(sp?), and being the best player of Brazil at the Olympics. Yep, Dunga was(is) really right to tell a talented player that he needs to play average(like Dunga), and don´t use all of his abilities

At the Olympics, Dunga said Pato was demoted for technical reasons, and because he wanted a forward that help more the team pressing the adversary defense, and said Sobis was better at this. Btw, even after that, Pato never complained and stayed positive and working for the team.

Several months after, the so malign Pato still isn´t a forward that helps to press the adversary defense, and even with this "BIG flaw" for a offensive players is being so "little praised" by his coach, Directors and Milan fans...On the other hand, Sobis(to be fair, a good boy), is playing far from a big center of football.

Also, why guys like Maldini, Ambrosini, Gattuso in Italy, or Lúcio, Kaká, Juan, Gilberto Silva in Brazil NT never saw this "attitude problems" and always praised Pato´s attitude and character?? Strange, no??

Wow, to much time wasted with Dunga

P.S. Now I´m curious, are you GillaAttack(sp?)??

Since it looks like mattioni will fail to impress milan,moving abate to RB remains uncertain.How about marco motta,he found his groove recently,being called to italy NT.and he is a udinese player(AM I correct?),maybe we can get him at a reasonable price.

Originally posted by el fre

Yada, Yada, Yada...

Let's face it, Laursen was never Milan material.

Agree, nor is coloccini. sendros is better than both(at least he is a decent heavy weight)

Maybe time will tell gila is not milan material either,not first striker material at least,better as third striker if he can accept that role like Tomasson.

HOw can u say Senderous is better than both?

Why not? sendros is mentally prepared,and he is strong,we are not bothered by average team's long ball tactics in recent games.

In that he's willing to accept sub role, something Laursen couldn't cope with, hence him leaving. Both Coloccini & Laursen lack the mental strength, but in terms of defending Laursen is about same as Senderos. Coloccini is far from both. Still Senderos needs to be at another club next season.

Tony75,do you have quick links to something like "Add 20lbs in 28 days"? I'm thinking about put on some weight.

For some people that had a discussion with me, some good news about Thiago and a RB place. By Brasiliero:

" Sorry my friend, I didn´t saw youe question there.

To be honest, I really can´t remember of Thiago playing as a RB, but thinkng about it, I think you´re giving Carlo a amazing idea.

Imo Thiago has skills to do it if asked. He has the speed, ability and will to do the job. Also, Carlo(as Guss Hiddink) love to put a CB as one of the fullbacks...

Now, I hope Carlo read your idea, because I think it will be a great option for the games that we need more defensive power.

My friend mrki helping Carlo...now I know the world isn´t right "

So as we have talked, we need a Nesta-miracle and we can have a defence that can hold on at an extremly high level ( considering Milan signs a CB as they need to and say they will ). Immagine a defence with Thiago-Nesta-Agger-Zambro; its a world class stabile defence. Not to mention possible players like Alex, Santacroce ( my fav ).

Also, we all saw what Flamini can do in an offensive phase as a fullback. We can for sure count on him.

Noone mantioned, but Berlusconi said that he bought Dinhoand sees no reason to buy Adebayor... hehe. Classic.
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Brasiliero, the world isnt right since people decided not to listen to Plato(Platon), so its nothing new

Originally Posted by will4li

Tony75,do you have quick links to something like "Add 20lbs in 28 days"? I'm thinking about put on some weight.

I've added a link to my sig.

forza MILAN