Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Bonera is much better option than Senderous and I will give a shot to Darmian and Albertezzi.

And what will Senderous do beside sitting on the bench and earn 2.5Mil a yr.

I count Bonera as backup but not Kaladze, so I hope Milan sell him next season (very unlikely) and we need one more CB for backup (4th. CB). For this spot, I choose Senderos as he has advantage in physical condition (but he must cost lower than 8 mil pounds/euros and earn suitable wages).

Regarding Darmian, I will opt to loan him out so he can gain so much experience as he really needs it next season but we can add Albertazzi as 5th. choice for the CB (he won't get so many chances, the goal is to introduce him to the first team and probably he could play as substitute in Serie A games when Milan are winning).

So, my choice looks like this

Silva--Alex/Santa---Agger--Zambrotta

or

Zambrotta--Alex/Santa--Silva--Agger

with Bonera, Senderos and Albertazzi as backups for CBs position.

Why are people so eager to loan out Darmian who is 2 years older then Albertazzi but not loan Albertazzi?

Originally Posted by xvr11

Why are people so eager to loan out Darmian who is 2 years older then Albertazzi but not loan Albertazzi?

You have already said the answer : Darmian is 2 years elder compare to Albertazzi.

Darmian should be more easy to loan out compare to Albertazzi except Albertazzi is a much more talanted than Darmian but the fact is that Darmian has more experience than Albertazzi which means Darmian right now is better than Albertazzi which also means small clubs will have more interest in him than in Albertazzi (except like I said before, Albertazzi is much more talented than Darmian).

Originally Posted by Siregar

You have already said the answer : Darmian is 2 years elder compare to Albertazzi.

Darmian should be more easy to loan out compare to Albertazzi except Albertazzi is a much more talanted than Darmian but the fact is that Darmian has more experience than Albertazzi which means Darmian right now is better than Albertazzi which also means small clubs will have more interest in him than in Albertazzi (except like I said before, Albertazzi is much more talented than Darmian).

So Albertazzi will take the chance to play with first team (from Darmian), and since he is more talented, he would be the new Maldini ^^

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

That's still a big questionmark, but I'm happy to keep Dida as a backup. However, if he is to stay, I would only feel happy for him to stay if he takes a pay cut, as he's not worth the salary he's earning.

The thing is, Dida still has something left in the tank. Emerson sucking up 4 million a year to regularly warm the bench was far more sacrilegious.

Originally Posted by Aficio

So Albertazzi will take the chance to play with first team (from Darmian), and since he is more talented, he would be the new Maldini ^^

Hehehe I hope you will be right. I am still confused about his quality. Last year he was good. He was called to the U-19 national team even he was still 17 years old or so and brought a couple of times to the first team but this year it seems that he is not doing so well. He was not called up to the U20 or U21 national team when Darmian was called up (I thought his quality was better than Darmian) and he was not called up the last friendly match (Pasini instead was called up but Albertazzi might be injured, I don't know). Yeah, I don't follow him well, somebody who watches Primavera games should give his opinion to produce a much more accurate view about Albertazzi.

Hmmm, this potential Trezeguet deal may be interesting. The guy is experienced, proven goalscorer and has the physical presence we need in the box. Only thing though is that he is pretty injury prone...But knowing Juve, I dont think they will allow a player still contracted to them to leave for a direct rival. If he leaves, I think chances are he goes to Barca or Bayern Munich or something.

Originally Posted by rt9

Hmmm, this potential Trezeguet deal may be interesting. The guy is experienced, proven goalscorer and has the physical presence we need in the box. Only thing though is that he is pretty injury prone...But knowing Juve, I dont think they will allow a player still contracted to them to leave for a direct rival. If he leaves, I think chances are he goes to Barca or Bayern Munich or something.

There were reports about Juventus wanting Seedorf some times ago ... it's the only way I can accept this deal: Trez <=> Seedorf, allowing Gourcuff to come back. Then, if Gourcuff doesn't come back, Seedorf has to stay (as backup in different positions of the midfield).

Anyway, there were also reports about us being interested by Carrozzieri from Palermo ... now we know we won't try to get him as he was controlled positive to cocaine. He risks a 2 year suspension.
The main problem with that is that Kjaer could be kept at all prices by Palermo, at least at this next mercato as they will need another defender to replace Carrozzieri (so if they sell Kjaer, they will need two defenders) !!

I honestly would take Treze in a heartbeat. Give him the ball in the box and he WILL score (once it's not on the penalty spot of course...). He's the perfect profile of a striker that we need. A reliable goal scorer who won't affect Pato's playing time one iota. If this is true I 100% agree with this move once he's not too expensive of course. Use the money on CD and LB and get Gourcuff or some creative CM here. We have too much trouble breaking down tight defenses.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

About wage cut, I think players should just accept the fact that if they are not performing they should accept a wage cut, just like when they are performing well, they always ask for a new and improve contract despite having 4 yrs left in the current deal.

Having said all that, it is no right and wrong here, it all depends on your pt of view. As a fan though, I think the MGT is stupid to offer great deals to older players(like over 32-3) as their performances is 90% likely to decline.

Fair enough, Gabriel...great points.
As you said, there´s no right or wrong...
Your last point was one of the reason Lampard almost goes to Inter. Mourinho guarantee a 5 years deal for him, but Chelsea was reluctant...

I remember that Scolari push Chelsea MGT to give Lampard this huge 5 years contract, even at his age. Until now, they appears genius, but one big injure(Lamps is a great professional) and this 5 years contract will be like ours...

It´s always a bet...

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Originally Posted by GeoTav

You hate that ?? I can understand it ... if the guy is very attached to his family and if the family doesn't follow him in Europe, it just shows, when the guy comes back to Brazil to be near them, that money isn't the only thing that counts for these ones. Nilmar came from Brazil directly in Lyon, the best French club, so the following step should have been one of the biggest European clubs (Milan, Barcelona, MU, ...).

No, maybe I wasn´t clear...
As I said, I hate when they give lame excuses...I even said that sometimes there´s cases like of Nilmar that are true. What I didn´t stand are guys like Viola, J. Baptista, Edmundo giving shame full reasons to come back as: Food, Weather, etc...

His main problem is that he is injury-prone, but if he wasn't, I would hope that we take him immediately as he is very complete.

Man, he´s a joy to watch. Pure speed , skills and goals...It´s like to see Pato...

A website gave the value (of course, they will be sold more for the ones coming in Europe) of the 10 most valued Brazilian players, playing in Brazil:
1: Hernanes (23yo) - 15M
2: Miranda (24yo) - 15M
3: Fred (25yo) - 12M
4: Keirrison (20yo) - 11M
5: Nilmar (24yo) - 10M
6: Ramires (22yo) - 8M
7: Douglas Costa (18yo) - 8M
8: Thiago Neves (24yo) - 7,5M
9: Dagoberto (26yo) - 6M
10: Bruno (21yo) - 6M

About Miranda, a French website recalls that he came to Sochaux and that he failed to play in Ligue 1 ...

My opinion about a top 10:
1: Hernanes
2: Ramires
3: Neymar(potential, and almost a reality for Brazilian football;# 1 potential))
4: Nilmar(only because of the history of injures, if not, the #1)
5: Douglas Costa(Huge potential, but needs to prove himself)
6: Keirrison(not sold on him, but the potential is huge)
7: Miranda(Best defender playing here)
8: Fred(the come back to Brazil hurt his stock)
9: Taison(Goals, blazing fast, skills)
http://www.internacional.com.br/pagi...41&categoria=7
10:My bets
Giuliano:
http://www.internacional.com.br/pagi...21&categoria=6
Sandro:
http://www.internacional.com.br/pagi...28&categoria=5

The club that pay huge money or more than 4M for Dagoberto, Bruno or Thiago Neves is doing a big mistake(imo)...

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Hmmm as has been said, I am sure there is a clause preventing him from joining another European club...and to be honest, not sure I would want him in Milan...though I will admit he might be a better target than Trezeguet....

I saw his agent today live on TV...
He said that there´s no clause. That if Adriano want to goes to Milan they can do it(I really hope not). But he said that Adriano wants to play some time in Brazil before come back to Europe. I don´t know, but later he almost contradict himself...He said that Adriano just didn´t want to go back to Italy.

Imo he will be playing in Europe next season...

Originally Posted by rt9

Hmmm, this potential Trezeguet deal may be interesting. The guy is experienced, proven goalscorer and has the physical presence we need in the box. Only thing though is that he is pretty injury prone...But knowing Juve, I dont think they will allow a player still contracted to them to leave for a direct rival. If he leaves, I think chances are he goes to Barca or Bayern Munich or something.

Originally Posted by Mystik

I honestly would take Treze in a heartbeat. Give him the ball in the box and he WILL score (once it's not on the penalty spot of course...). He's the perfect profile of a striker that we need. A reliable goal scorer who won't affect Pato's playing time one iota. If this is true I 100% agree with this move once he's not too expensive of course. Use the money on CD and LB and get Gourcuff or some creative CM here. We have too much trouble breaking down tight defenses.

Same here Money for CD Trez >> Sheva >> Adriano

TO me I think Adriano is a bad bad idea and I hope Galli won't sign him even if he is for free.

Its nice to see such resious football talk in here once again. Thanx for that!

About Trezeguet. Again, I personally ADORE him as a player. For me he is still one of the best classic no.9's in the world. But I dont want Euro football to become like an NBA. Some things are above money. Shevchenko destroyed his career and his image coz he couldnt see that, Trez is a Juventino, Adriano is an Interista ( di merda...). I dont want them in Milan. Simply as that. Even the Zambrotta case is something of a sad even from that point of wiew.

I really think Milan will have new coach next year, Ancelotti is not learning English coz he wants to travel a lot. Its obvious kind of...

Someone mentioned a switch Seedorf-Trez...noone is that stupid in Juve. Trez is worth at least 15mln rght now, while Seedorf obviousely cant play serious top football anymore.

We have a chance to reinforce our squad with 3 bys in the summer + Yoan and Thiago. There is also some good news about Sandro Nesta etc. It could be more then a serious team. Only thing we need to work on is a non-professional approach that was visible in Milan is past 2-3 years.

About CB solution. I have come to conclusion that Brasiliero was right and that an ideal solution for us would be Alex. But I think that WILL NOT HAPPEN. instead, I can see Milan already having Agger. Reports months ago said he has taken his secret medical, and he doesnt want to prolong with L'pool. Galliani in the same time talked about left footed defender etc. Only problem they now have is a question of NEsta. If Nesta cant play, Milan needs 2 new CB's.

And it will also be interesting to see who will buy Benzema in the end. As Im convinced this man is a top class striker who can play at any club in the first 11. We will not pay such money for him, that is for sure.

And Milan should really ask Yoan to come back as it would be a shame not to let him play and sell him for 15mln. Young and gifted technically, VERSATILE ( aldough its claimed he can only play as a AM, he can also play as a LM, RM, CM ) player. We gained a lot in the end with Beckham's class, we can also gain a lot with Yoan's.

Having a midfield of: Pirlo, Gattuso, Flamini, Beckham, Jankulovski, Gourcuff, Ambrosini, Kaka', Ronaldinho... is something that can be used in a complete rotation sistem in which players are never exausted and wasted. But the rotation sistem is a necessary. Tempo and dinamism of the game cannot be created with players that play 50 games per year.