Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Snapster

Yes I honestly think that an entire back four would run past the midfield and all attack at the same time.

Even in Brazil NT there is no such accident. Every club have coach, the coach won't let one of his CB moves so often, and yet four? LOL

If Serginho who was so offensive player could turn to be a disciplined left fullback under Ancelotti, I don't see why players who are CB can't be told/taught like Serginho's case.

Originally Posted by Snapster

It's not about defining an entire race, but more of an open generalisation of a random sample.

You said the same thing but only in different words.

Originally Posted by Snapster

Alex and Silva might be fine in their own right but you cannot guarantee they will be a balanced pair and who would you have at fullback beside them?

You can first search their track record when they played. As example Alex. How many times he moved forwards and forgot his duty to guard defence in his career especially when he has moved to Europe?

If you said, we can't guarantee they will be a balanced pair and you can't also guarantee they won't be a balanced pair. We can't judge their pair now but we can at least hope how they will perform by evaluating their past records.

Originally Posted by Snapster

Like any country you get good players in each position spread around the clubs, be it proven by their own performances or your weaknesses hidden by other players around you, does not mean they can work together. Take Gerrard and Lampard, two similar central midfielders at club level they are regarded (by some) as the best at what they do, yet put them together and they just don't function. Ronaldinho/Kaka anyone?

Ronaldinho and Kaka partnership has a proven fact, that is WC 2006 even people can't judge their pair only from them. But have you seen Alex and Silva play so horrible (so offensively)?

If for example Thiago Silva and Alex will be like Kaka and Ronaldinho and how could we know if for example Thiago Silva and Mexes, Silva and Ivanovic (or with others) will turn to be a good pair?

Player transfer has luck/gamble inside and every club must take it and can only hope to reduce the gamble by really evaluating the facts of the players (their performances, character and so on).

Originally Posted by Siregar

Even in Brazil NT there is no such accident. Every club have coach, the coach won't let one of his CB moves so often, and yet four? LOL
If Serginho who was so offensive player could turn to be a disciplined left fullback under Ancelotti, I don't see why players who are CB can't be told/taught like Serginho's case.

Guess you cannot detect sarcasm? Serginho and Cafu were legends going forward, but knew they had a Maldini, Nesta, Stam at the back to compliment and balance them, with Gauttso in midfield to cover the space. A leopard does not change its spots ...

Originally Posted by Siregar

You said the same thing but only in different words.

Not quite, and its called probability, one is more definite the other is based on a likely but somewhat calculated answer.

Originally Posted by Siregar

You can first search their track record when they played. As example Alex. How many times he moved forwards and forgot his duty to guard defence in his career especially when he has moved to Europe?

Moot point, see #1

Originally Posted by Siregar

If you said, we can't guarantee they will be a balanced pair and you can't also guarantee they won't be a balanced pair. We can't judge their pair now but we can at least hope how they will perform by evaluating their past records.
Ronaldinho and Kaka partnership has a proven fact, that is WC 2006 even people can't judge their pair only from them. But have you seen Alex and Silva play so horrible (so offensively)?

Correct, I cannot guarantee and no one can. You can only take an educated guess at how some players will not work with each. Kaka/Ronaldinho many people said it didn’t work for Brazil and it wouldn’t work at club. Arguably the gamble has not paid off due to injury/form etc, but they are very similar in movement on the pitch and still have to cope with eachother rather than play to their strengths. I have seen Alex with some horrendous positioning when he was playing for PSV and got burned on more than one occasion in Europe a few years ago. Fair enough I’ve not seen so much since he’s been around better players at Chelsea but those performances still live in my mind, much like Collocini...

Originally Posted by Siregar

If for example Thiago Silva and Alex will be like Kaka and Ronaldinho and how could we know if for example Thiago Silva and Mexes, Silva and Ivanovic (or with others) will turn to be a good pair?
Player transfer has luck/gamble inside and every club must take it and can only hope to reduce the gamble by really evaluating the facts of the players (their performances, character and so on).

Part of managers’ job is to evaluate how well a player will fit in to the club along with other players then (ideally) define tactics that will suit them. If the manager wants a defensive team, then he will look for those qualities in players. Visa-Versa

Grosso considers Serie A offers:

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...lia/may5u.html

Lets try an italian defense:

Grosso----Nesta----Santacroce----Zambrotta

or:

Zambrotta----Nesta----Santacroce----Oddo

Originally Posted by Aficio

Grosso considers Serie A offers:

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...lia/may5u.html

Lets try an italian defense:

Grosso----Nesta----Santacroce----Zambrotta

or:

Zambrotta----Nesta----Santacroce----Oddo

The first one looks better.

Ah if only Nesta can be fit again.

Originally Posted by Aficio

Grosso considers Serie A offers:

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...lia/may5u.html

Lets try an italian defense:

Grosso----Nesta----Santacroce----Zambrotta

or:

Zambrotta----Nesta----Santacroce----Oddo

Grosso, arghhh! lol Nice defence apart from him. I do fear for Nesta though...

Grosso is average. No thanks. forget about his fluke wc.

Originally Posted by Tony75

Grosso is average. No thanks. forget about his fluke wc.

You may be right, but Grosso's WC was no fluke. Even to the run-up he had been playing well. Lippi used him very intelligently. In fact, he told him to attack all the time. Remember when Zaccardo came on in the US game? It was because Lippi thought Grosso did not attack enough against Ghana.

Witness the Australia game, near the end of which Grosso, a full-back, won a penalty.

With that said--I do not think he would be the best player for Milan because he is almost 32 now.

Which makes him the perfect choice for Galliani: experienced (old is the more appropriate word) and world class (he won WC, what do you mean he's not world class?? said Galliani)

Well, to be honest, of all the LB in the world, there isn't one that really makes you go, wow, now thats a LB for you. Santon is good but still young and only having one good season, he might be gold, but until he can play at this level year in and year out, I will still think he is good not great. Glichy and Erva and even Vargas are just fast, they def. awareness aint that great.
Therefore having someone like Grosso is not a bad option, as we can always have Zambro starting in the left with Flamini on the right. Then have Grosso and Antonini as subs. On top of that, Mattioni is available too.

Originally Posted by Filipéz 182

G.Rossi is a Milan fan! he said this many times, and its even on his official website!

So I don't know why he made this comment about Genoa and said he hopes they will qualify for the next CL because they play very well ...

Isn't there any D.Alves type of player on the left flank of the defense in any club in the world ?? Or at least, any potential one ??
About Santon, he will probably be the best in his position in some years ... or maybe he is already (no mistake against MU despite his lack of experience). Let's not forget that we still can try to get Maxwell ?

Nowadays, the two best RBs are Alves and Maicon, they are outstanding, then there are plenty very good/good RBs, or potential WC ones but who will have to confirm with years.
It's true that for the LBs, we can hardly find one outstanding player, and it's certainly not Grosso who is. He's not that good at defending (except with a very good defense alongside him, but this way, even Janku looks like a good defender), and he even doesn't cross anymore. If we take Grosso, you will add a player to bash in the team because he can't perform well more than twice in a row, and then he disappears for 10 games. Just look at what happened to him in Inter, and then look at his performances in Lyon.

Gabriel is right imo, it's VERY difficult to find a fullback (never mind just LB) that is exciting and available. Zuniga is one option, though I'm not sure about him still. The best options for me appear to be Clichy and De Silvestri. Clichy is an excellent player that is ready to take a step up to make a mark at the international level. De Silvestri might be difficult to get as he's well loved at Lazio, but given Lazio aren't the power they once were, he may be attainable. Young, good attacking game with good discipline. I think he'll play a pretty big part in Italy's future and he would be an interesting investment for the future.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

De Silvestri might be difficult to get as he's well loved at Lazio, but given Lazio aren't the power they once were, he may be attainable. Young, good attacking game with good discipline. I think he'll play a pretty big part in Italy's future and he would be an interesting investment for the future.

De Silvestri is maybe well loved there, but he didn't get as many chances to play this season as the other ones ... so ...

How about exchange Oddo + some € with De Silvestri

Originally Posted by GeoTav

De Silvestri is maybe well loved there, but he didn't get as many chances to play this season as the other ones ... so ...

If this is true, I don't see the reason we should bring this guy to Milanello. He could have big talent but if he didn't get chances like stated above (maybe there were many reasons for that), why should Milan buy him?

Milan need a ready player otherwise I'll choose to use Flamini as fullback and bring in player from youth (or young player) as backup.

De Silvestri reminds me of guys like Zuccardo, Barzali, Bonera and Legro when they came up. What I mean is, he is over-rated as he is a young IT defender with good size or good speed....
Santon is another story though, as he does play regularly is good in all areas.