Summer mercato 2009

Inter have some serious financial concerns I am not surprised that they are doing deals that involve cash plus players. I hope the deals don't affect Milan serie a charge for next season but it is out of our control. I would always like Milan to purchase midfield but considering what we have on loan it would be foolish. I hope Milan can exchange borriello for acquafresca lol, inter are grasping at the players they think will win them the champions league. I wouldn't be so sure that milito and motta work out just look at mancini reliable as the day was long and he flopped at inter. the best milan can react to this is to sign Dzeko now and than purchase navaro santacrose and mexes.

I'm not to bothered about Milito and Thiago Motta. There was talks about Aguero, and the likes, etc. and Milito is a great goalscorer, but the attackers being mentioned earlier were much more scary. And if Inter think Thiago Motta is gonna give them the creative spark they need, then that's just that much better.

I don't care about these players going to Inter but I would be a bit worried if I was a Genoa fan ... Firstly, Milito said he wouldn't leave because he loves this club, and he finally stays only one year and leaves for the first big club to make an offer. Very weird, I wouldn't like a guy like that in Milan. Then about Thiago Motta, Genoa allowed him to be back by giving him a starting place in their midfield after his failure in Barcelona and his many injuries, and he thanks them by leaving in the first big club to make an offer too ...

Worst, the fact that they leave is officially announced before the end of the championship whereas Genoa could still qualify for the next CL ...

You see, people like to bash the way Galliani runs the club sometimes and how he is in medias, but when I see what Genoa did there (actually, they just want to become a kind of big bench for Inter ?), I'm happy not to be a Genoa fan and to be a Milan fan with Galliani and co to the head of the club ...

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

I don't understand why we should be looking for a new coach, when clearly this coach has been deprived of the players that he needs to succeed.

While Mourinho inherited a good squad, Mancini, who built the squad, was never denied a defender, a striker, or anything for that matter. His failure was where it matters most: in Europe.

Here we have a manager who has brought Milan to 3 finals, won 2 finals, and has made Milan a consistent performer, with far less at his disposal than Mancini, Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger, or any other manager at a top club for that matter.

I honestly am at a loss for people calling for Carlo's head.

The key term "HAS BROUGHT"... that's all in the past... and if you look at the line up today, almost the same team, and they haven't been performing for the past 2 seasons!

Kicked out of UEFA, Coppa and Serie A gone in Jan doesn't really inspire any of us.

I think everyone is frustrated at Carlo for sticking to the same players, irregardless of form... Only if he gave the same believe to Gorky as he does to Seedorf...

So, we have brought in new players, but they don't play!

You can say that Carlo guided Milan into Two CL Champ, One League Champ, One IT Cup Champ, three CL finals... But pls don't say that we don't have a good team at that time.

We probably had the best team in Europe between 2003-2005, exp in 2005
In 2005, we had the most powerful squad in all of Italy and Europe and yet we got nothing but the biggest defeat in the history of CL.

Dida, even though he is pure crap now was actually on par with the GREAT BUFFON.
A defense of Cafu-Nesta-Maldini-Pancaro were as solid as anyone in Europe or in the league, on top of that we have guys like Stam, Billy, Simic,and Kaladze on the bench.
At midfield, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, kaka, Rui Costa, Ambro, Vogel and Serginho
At attack, we had Pippo, Sheva, JDT and Crespo.
Now, if you think a team like that is not a good team, then I have no idea what a good team is.

Yes, we won 1 league title, 1 IT Cup and 2 CL under Carlo, but with the team he had during 2003-2005, we should have won a lot more. Somehow, the team could not play consistently during the league campaign, and with the top two biggest defeat of CL history, we managed to only win one CL title and one league title during those three years instead of winning it three in a row.

I will always remember that, those years we could have made history in the right way, but Carlo blewed it.

Look at ManU now, they are like a machine but their team is not even close to be as talented as we were in the 2003-2005. And yet, they are beating everyone left right front and back b/c they are consistent, something that Fergie knows how to do while Carlo is still clueless after all these years being a manager. Pls don't say, the EPL does not have team like Juve...b/c I think the Blues and Pool at the same level as Juve and Roma during the 2003-05. And don't use the excuse of Series A are more defensive minded....b/c Juve seems to be able to break those defense and yet we could not.

One more thing, during the 2003-04 year, I believe we only had two games that we conceded more than 3 goals. The game against Udinese, right after the trip of World Club Championship in Japan and Leg 2 against Deportivo when we led 4-1 in leg 1 and lost 4-0 in leg 2.

In 2005, no need to mention how we lost CL.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

You can say that Carlo guided Milan into Two CL Champ, One League Champ, One IT Cup Champ, three CL finals... But pls don't say that we don't have a good team at that time.

We probably had the best team in Europe between 2003-2005, exp in 2005
In 2005, we had the most powerful squad in all of Italy and Europe and yet we got nothing but the biggest defeat in the history of CL.

Dida, even though he is pure crap now was actually on par with the GREAT BUFFON.
A defense of Cafu-Nesta-Maldini-Pancaro were as solid as anyone in Europe or in the league, on top of that we have guys like Stam, Billy, Simic,and Kaladze on the bench.
At midfield, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, kaka, Rui Costa, Ambro, Vogel and Serginho
At attack, we had Pippo, Sheva, JDT and Crespo.
Now, if you think a team like that is not a good team, then I have no idea what a good team is.

Yes, we won 1 league title, 1 IT Cup and 2 CL under Carlo, but with the team he had during 2003-2005, we should have won a lot more. Somehow, the team could not play consistently during the league campaign, and with the top two biggest defeat of CL history, we managed to only win one CL title and one league title during those three years instead of winning it three in a row.

I will always remember that, those years we could have made history in the right way, but Carlo blewed it.

Look at ManU now, they are like a machine but their team is not even close to be as talented as we were in the 2003-2005. And yet, they are beating everyone left right front and back b/c they are consistent, something that Fergie knows how to do while Carlo is still clueless after all these years being a manager. Pls don't say, the EPL does not have team like Juve...b/c I think the Blues and Pool at the same level as Juve and Roma during the 2003-05. And don't use the excuse of Series A are more defensive minded....b/c Juve seems to be able to break those defense and yet we could not.

I agree only to some extent. Here is my attempt to respond to some of your points:

1) I wonder if any coach in the world will be able to respond within that 6 minutes when for pretty much for the rest of the match Milan dominated Liverpool.

Sometimes, we just need to accept that impossible things happen (e.g., rockets beating Lakers TWICE at Toyota center without Yao Ming).

2) The defensive line is very strong, but we also remember how some people (in fact, a lot of) people criticize them as being old.

3) Maybe you can compare that team with Man Utd (this and last and probably the year before last year). Also with Barcelona's team this year.

4) "we should have won a lot more". Gosh, I honestly don't know about this. More from a hindsight to be honest. We win 4 out of 9, and we can win more? I don't know; maybe you are right, but I don't know.

I honestly think you have put too much weight on the loss we had against Liverpool, and to be honest i don't know if you are being fair to Milan at all. Yes, we have the strongest team that year, but does the strongest team always win? No. was Milan better than liverpool 2 years ago? No, but did we win? Yes. I think it's also unfair that Liverpool sucks or their coach sucks because Liverpool didn't win.

5) i'm not sure if we haven't made history (which you should define: 9 out of 9?), and I'm not even sure if Carlo is responsible for blowing it. Not Gattuso for stupidly fouling Gerrard? Not those lazy folks who didnt' go after the penalty after Dida saved it? Not Dida who didn't make a good save?

Yes, maybe for the league games, but Serie A is no merry-go-around, and teams know how to defend against us well. If there is one taint on Carlo's CV, it is that somehow his team is not consistently doing well in Serie A.

But the year we won it: we have a very very healthy squad too, and a healthy partnership between Gila (who actually scored 14 goals with no penalty) - Sheva (who scored consistently, also from penalty), and Kaka. Compared to now with a young Pato - slow Seedorf - Recuperating Kaka`.

In fact, that's the ONLY year when we have two strikers available and ready to play game in game out. We haven't really been able to do that for a lot of years now (go ask the management why).

I think you honestly underestimate Man U's squad. the system works really well, and the players are, to be honest, REALLY good (Ronney + CR9 game in game out; have you seen Kaka` game in game out for the past few seasons? I don't think so.

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My last point: I think you are trying to fit your theory (of why Carlo should go) with some of the more few examples out there. And I don't think you'll need me to count the number of times when Carlo actually makes thing work, the endless substitutions that actually work.

we tend to remember the bad things almost 4 times as likely as the good thing , and when it comes to whether we should sack a coach, it's all too easy to remember the bad and not the good.

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The key to me is:

1) ON average, is Carlo a consistent cup-winning coach? If yes, keep. If not, out.

2) If Carlo is out, who can be a consistent cup-winning coach in the future?

To that, MVB is an impossible candidate.

Jxx

Originally Posted by zafrul

The key term "HAS BROUGHT"... that's all in the past... and if you look at the line up today, almost the same team, and they haven't been performing for the past 2 seasons!

Yes, it's the key term ... "Has brought" means it was in the past and it's not ended ... (little lesson of english from a French guy ). He didn't use preterit because, as you said, it's the key term, for him, Carlo can still bring things to that club, and it's what I think too.

We have a coach who loves the club (I think there's no need to prove it ?), a coach that brought us titles since his first years and allowed us to be the best team in Europe for 5 years, they only really struggle in all competitions since last year, and the way the management worked on the various mercatos is probably one of the main reasons: let's imagine that Thiago Silva is a rock in defence, now let's imagine that we didn't take Sheva, and so let's imagine that Thiago Silva was able to play like a rock in our defence since January ... don't you think some of our problems would have been quickly solved ??

What I mean is that with one or two players, Carlo could still bring us titles, we weren't so far from Inter (even if some people say it is thanks to Inter, but we won all these games in a row thanks to our players and our coach, not Inter) ...

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Yes, it's the key term ... "Has brought" means it was in the past and it's not ended ... (little lesson of english from a French guy ). He didn't use preterit because, as you said, it's the key term, for him, Carlo can still bring things to that club, and it's what I think too.

We have a coach who loves the club (I think there's no need to prove it ?), a coach that brought us titles since his first years and allowed us to be the best team in Europe for 5 years, they only really struggle in all competitions since last year, and the way the management worked on the various mercatos is probably one of the main reasons: let's imagine that Thiago Silva is a rock in defence, now let's imagine that we didn't take Sheva, and so let's imagine that Thiago Silva was able to play like a rock in our defence since January ... don't you think some of our problems would have been quickly solved ??

What I mean is that with one or two players, Carlo could still bring us titles, we weren't so far from Inter (even if some people say it is thanks to Inter, but we won all these games in a row thanks to our players and our coach, not Inter) ...

The fact : We fail this season. We could actually challenge Inter until the last game (Inter lost so many points but we couldn't take the advantage, instead we lost so many points when we were on top of the league) but we were just so inconsistent and tactical decisions of Carlo costed us many points.

But again there are always alibies.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I don't care about these players going to Inter but I would be a bit worried if I was a Genoa fan ... Firstly, Milito said he wouldn't leave because he loves this club, and he finally stays only one year and leaves for the first big club to make an offer. Very weird, I wouldn't like a guy like that in Milan. Then about Thiago Motta, Genoa allowed him to be back by giving him a starting place in their midfield after his failure in Barcelona and his many injuries, and he thanks them by leaving in the first big club to make an offer too ...

Worst, the fact that they leave is officially announced before the end of the championship whereas Genoa could still qualify for the next CL ...

You see, people like to bash the way Galliani runs the club sometimes and how he is in medias, but when I see what Genoa did there (actually, they just want to become a kind of big bench for Inter ?), I'm happy not to be a Genoa fan and to be a Milan fan with Galliani and co to the head of the club ...

I dont agree with some points in the first paragraph abt milito and motta..milito doesn't seem to be the guy who jumps ship when he gets the first opportunity to do so..Genoa sold milito than say milito left genoa..and genoa are the one who are gonna hugely benefit from this deal..milito came to genoa for abt 8mln and motta was free...now they leave and genoa get Aquafresca and abt 30mln...these guys in genoa seem to do amazing buisness..last year they bought about 8 first team players..now with already having got Aqua and floccari and having another 30mln to spend i can see their team getting more stronger than this season...

Jeff, I disagree with a lot of what you said.

1. The CL final against Pool in 2005. We were leading 3-0 at half time, and we lost on penalties at the end. Maybe no coach in the world can react to that 6 mins attack from Pool that year, but on the other hand, I don't think any coach could surrender a 3-0 lead at a final. It is like the Lakers having a 50pts lead at half time and then losing by 1 pt at the end of the game.
2. Defensive line being old, well, they might be old then but they were the best. Unlike now, old and not even close.
3. Winning more, well, if we beated Pool in 2005, that will make it 1 more CL. ANd if that Deportivo game did not happened like it did, we could have easily beat Porto and then Monaco in the finals..

As for replacing Carlo. To be honest, I don't think there is anyone available that is better than Carlo in terms of coaching and managing right now. Having said that, I don't believe he is the right coach for Milan at this point in time.

Srna has been linked to us in the last day or two, though I've not heard much about it (I think it was originally reported in a German newspaper) so doubt there's much in it. He's an interesting player mind, though will be hard to get from Shakhtar.

The other news today is we're supposedly interested in Scolari.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...ia/may20r.html

So, Leonardo takes over with Scolari helping out as a co-coach. Seems like a bizarre idea, but again I doubt there's any real truth to it.

I do agree that Carlo Should've probably won more with the squad we had between 2003 and 2006. The Liverpool game is one thing, but he has a big part of the responisbility for the Deportivo game. That year the CL was up for graps, actually I'm 90% sure, that had we not messed up, we would've won that CL. The Liverpool exit was alot of things, but can't forget that for everything, but those 6 minutes, we played the best footbal of any team in a CL final since 1994. We should've won more leagues, but Juve were really strong at that time aswell, and very lucky

We can't forget that it was Carlo that build the squad though. When he came in 2001 we spend big money, and it payed off. We got Pirlo, Nesta and Rui Costa and except Rui Costa look how good investments Pirlo and Nesta have been. It's a shame it went the way it did, because this Milan could've been as great as Sacchi's Milan.

Anyone watched the UEFA cup final yesterday btw? Srna was very good in that match, I wouldn't mind having a player like that in Milan.

Galliani: No chaos at Milan
Thursday 21 May, 2009
Adriano Galliani insists there's no chaos at Milan and will clarify the Rossoneri's future direction once they secure a Champions League place.

Coach Carlo Ancelotti has been widely linked with Premier League giants Chelsea.

There could be sweeping changes in the summer as superstar Kaka has also been tipped to join Real Madrid.

“There is no chaos and Milan,” Galliani stated. “We have very clear ideas that we will communicate as soon as we secure a Champions League berth.

“Decisions are always shared between myself and Silvio Berlusconi. We are in perfect harmony and I hope to show that with our announcement on Monday.

“We absolutely have to beat Roma and then we can be calm against Fiorentina where we would otherwise have to draw or win.”

Galliani then gave the latest on Kaka and French midfielder Yoann Gourcuff.

“Florentino Perez is a great friend and we have often spoken during the three years that he hasn't been Real Madrid President. Any move for Kaka would have to come through me.

“Gourcuff has become a star. Bordeaux have the chance to sign him before May 31, but he is still our player. I hope that Yoann stays.”

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channel4

This is what I meant about lack of conviction...

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

OFFICIAL
Milito and Motta to Inter
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http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...o-floccari-to-


its like getting santacrocce and hamsik or lavezzi..i dont get it,it seems he wanted to sell them really badly.genoa is on the 5th position,ahead of roma and close to fiorentina,and they sell their 2 best players that easily..its ridiculous..thats a mentality of a small team,but then again who said that they're big..

im really curious to see our reaction,they got the championship so easily,and before the transfer market starts they get such reinforcments,that means those 2 players will go in milan on 1st of july,and theyll get the proper preparation..

and if you ask galliani he'll say.."WE made the first capture by buying thiago silva" and "we;re not selling kaka,who is worth 5 militos",or "dont worry we ll do our best to keep beckham till next year"

i wish we get the players needed in time needed..

PS floccari and aquafresca to genoa..

Inter can make these transfers now because their season is basicly over. We still don't know if we'll qualify for the Champions League or what, so we naturally can't start making deals. I expect something to happen if we beat Roma this weekend.

But you do have a point, we need to get the transfers done befor the pre-season begins. We've all to often ruined a season by playing poorly at the beginning of the season.