Summer mercato 2009

Well, I have a feeling if we beat Roma, Mexes will come to Milan this summer along with Lucio. Hopefully De Rossi will come along too.

From my point of view, Preziosi is genius.

Diego Milito is 30 years old. He guarantees a few goals every season, beetween 10 and 15. He had a perfect season and it is the best moment to sell him. In the future he'll be worth less. And what did Preziosi do? He earns 16 mln euro for player who won't be better and he also has rights to one of the most gifted young forward in Italy - Robert Acquafresca. Of course, only half of the card. But we know that Genoa can promote forwards. Marco Borriello at first, then Diego Milito... Acquafresca has got bigger potential that 'Il Bomber' and 'Il Principe'. If Inter would like to re - sign Robert in the future, they'll have to pay for 50% rights. As I remember Bonucci is also involved in this deal.

Personally, I think Inter did not improve much with the signing of Milito and Motta. Since Milito is not much of an upgrade from Crespo and Cruz, and I would actually take Stankovic over Motta anyday.

If those two are the so call big signings for Inter, then I am really glad.

Come on Berlu, stop saying Kaka is for sale,instead just sell Seedorf and Kaladze and everyone will call u a great man.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Jeff, I disagree with a lot of what you said.

1. The CL final against Pool in 2005. We were leading 3-0 at half time, and we lost on penalties at the end. Maybe no coach in the world can react to that 6 mins attack from Pool that year, but on the other hand, I don't think any coach could surrender a 3-0 lead at a final. It is like the Lakers having a 50pts lead at half time and then losing by 1 pt at the end of the game.
2. Defensive line being old, well, they might be old then but they were the best. Unlike now, old and not even close.
3. Winning more, well, if we beated Pool in 2005, that will make it 1 more CL. ANd if that Deportivo game did not happened like it did, we could have easily beat Porto and then Monaco in the finals..

As for replacing Carlo. To be honest, I don't think there is anyone available that is better than Carlo in terms of coaching and managing right now. Having said that, I don't believe he is the right coach for Milan at this point in time.

I have already reacted to some of your points in the other posts, so I will not repeat myself.

1) I like your analogy about Laker leading by 50 points and lose by 1 at the end of the game. Two reactions:

a) While not as dramatic as that, we can still count games when a team led by more than 30 points (in basketball) and got caught up. Not sure if 50 points = 3 goals lead or what and let's not get too far in the analogy .

b) Surrounding a 3-0 lead in the final is very rare; but it could have just as easily be as 6-0. I don't know why you are counting so much against our team because we got caught. Yes we lost - and that's it.

Think about it: The way that we played against liverpool in 2007 compared with Liverpool in 2005; we would have lost by a big margin, but there is simply no IF. If it happened, it happened.

Finally, is there any coach who lost 4-0 in a CL final (e.g., our game against Barcelona)? Is there any coach who lost 3-0 in the first half of a CL (e.g., we played against Liverpool?) I don't think it happened very frequently, but anyway I think I'm getting too far...

2) I'm not even sure if that's Carlo's fault that the defensive line is terrible. Perhaps he could have been more vocal with the management team, but I don't know. We'll lay this piece of argument to the future.

3) There are so many 'if' statement we can make, how about: if we didn't score against Roma (by Sheva), securing Serie A? If we didn't even win against Red Star in the preliminary qualifier? If we didn't even get Calciopoli (that's a BIG if; think about how miserable Inter would be and how they have robbed so many Serie A from there onwards). So many if, so little room for error.

4) Be honest with you: My fear is that we are simply finding scapegoat again and again and again over so many years for our performance. Is it going to solve the problem?

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At this very moment, Carlo is still the right coach, for the simple reason: to secure a spot in CL. But if the team let these stupid rumors flying around to hurt the team morale, then either Berlusconi is responsible (for making the comments) OR Gallini is responsible for not clearing up things (if media made it up).

At this point, nothing more important than getting a CL spot. Not the time to talk about sacking the coach.

J

NOt going to get into any other if this and that thing anymore as there is really no point. The fact is, we lost to Pool in the CL final by being up 3-0 at half time.

As for finding scapegoat, well, I don't think people are looking at Carlo the only reason for us not doing well over the past two years. To me there are a lot of reasons for our struggles this year and the last.

Not adding the right pieces to the squad is a huge reason.
Injuries is another.
Signing old and useless players to huge financial deals is the third.
I would not blame the inability to develop players on Carlo, as I think it had more to do with the club as awhole.
Having said that, Carlo should be responsible for playing his fav. players regardless of their form, ie Seedorf, Kaladze and even Senderous. You might argue, Carlo had no options then to play them, but I would say that there are.

To be honest, I am still not convince a new coach be able to come in and solve all our problems, but if it means Seedorf, Kaladze and others being shown the exit door. Then thats a great start.

Even if he moves on and beat the very same team that caught up 3-0 down? I don't know about that, I don't know. I think some levels of courage, and a taste of revenge, is there.

I don't know why Kaladze is in the pic; he was horrible, for a while already, but he didn't play most of the game this season, so weird why he is mentioned. Though, yes, he is terrible.

I agree on Seedorf: I think that's Carlo's biggest shortcoming. Perhaps that's the reason Milan plays poor, it's freaking Slowdorf!

We should come back to this topic after we beat Roma, or otherwise Fiorentina.

The mystery of playing Seedorf all the time will soon be a special on the WORLD GREATEST MYSTERIES

Originally Posted by Christian

Inter can make these transfers now because their season is basicly over. We still don't know if we'll qualify for the Champions League or what, so we naturally can't start making deals. I expect something to happen if we beat Roma this weekend.

ok although i dont agree with you,i respect it..i dont expect anything to happen after the roma match or even after fiorentina match too..i think we've become sth like a circus that will wait untill "hot season" to make our moves,for marketing reasons...

has juve secured anything?no..but they ve already sacked ranieri,and they got cannavaro and diego(90%)..

and please people dont start writting about milito's motta's canna's quality,thats not the real issue..

i see our opponents improving(for me making right decisions),and we stand still..even if you dont like those players and you see nothing special on them its ok(although you re wrong),but you cant say they re not planning the future like a serious club should do..

our managmet declairs that our market depends on nestas and borrielos recovery....that has nth to do with our obvious needs...e.g we certainly need a cb a fw(even if they recover),and what about gourcuf?

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

ok although i dont agree with you,i respect it..i dont expect anything to happen after the roma match or even after fiorentina match too..i think we've become sth like a circus that will wait untill "hot season" to make our moves,for marketing reasons...

But we also start to miss out on talent.

What about Mancini from Inter? If we took Seedorf before, it wouldn't be that hard to take Mancini now 'cause he's not playing there much and I liked him when he was in Roma...not so sure what's happening to him right now.

What is he? A winger/attacker.....he might not be to expensive

Anyway, just wondering

Okay, before you bite my head off. I never, ever, ever said that the Milan squad wasn't talented. So before you start launching attacks at me, reread what I wrote.

I said Carlo achieved so much without the resources of other coaches. I was talking about money. Mourinho has been able to spend as he pleases, so does Ferguson, so did Mancini, Ranieri spent 10 million on Poulsen! P-O-U-L-S-E-N.

Perhaps Carlo was given money at the beginning of his reign, but he has had to continuously try to be thrifty with his transfers and it bothers me. He rarely gets to spend anywhere near the amount of other top clubs, and that was what I was talking about.

All the great defenders you speak of, Pancaro, Cafu, Stam, all were brought in free, or with minuscule exchanges. The amount of money that teams like Barca, Madrid, Man Utd can all spend is ridiculous and since 2001 none of those teams have had Milan-like success.

Before you go into how it was Carlo's fault against Liverpool, which is ridiculous, let's say it was Carlo's fault, well guess what, he made up for it by winning it later on. So who cares?

If Carlo leaves I pray that whoever replaces him is adequate, because I don't think a club-coaching failure in Scolari, a cheque-manager Rjikaard, or virtual no bodies like Leonardo should be coming anywhere near the bench.

Galliani: We will discuss everything once we secure Champions League berth (on Monday they will announce their plans if they beat Roma)

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

All the great defenders you speak of, Pancaro, Cafu, Stam, all were brought in free, or with minuscule exchanges. The amount of money that teams like Barca, Madrid, Man Utd can all spend is ridiculous and since 2001 none of those teams have had Milan-like success.

It's true those teams spend more money than Milan, but how have they been less succesful than us? If we're talking CL, then yes, but what really counts (at least imo) is the league. We've only won it once under Carlo, Madrid and Barca have won la liga three times each, United have won the premiership four times. To me they've been the more succesful teams, frankly.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

All the great defenders you speak of, Pancaro, Cafu, Stam, all were brought in free, or with minuscule exchanges. The amount of money that teams like Barca, Madrid, Man Utd can all spend is ridiculous and since 2001 none of those teams have had Milan-like success.

true but to a degree these were all squad signings. We had an inprime nesta (best defender in world) and maldini (arguably 2nd best in world at age 35). We also had costacurta who was still solid. We had a primed midfield and attack.

Now our only potential class defender is nesta who is 33 and not played a whole season. Zambrotta is a solid fb i suppose, but milans strongest point over last 20 years is now a mess.

if you look best teams always have best backline partnerships. Before it was milan, now its man utd who has ferdinand-vidic. Since that partnership got set, they have been near unbeatable. Hell when we beat man utd 2 years ago, no1 mentiond they were missing vidic, evra and gary neville. I doubt we would have won in a semi's in 2003 if nesta, costacurta and kaladze were out and only maldini played.

we've brought in thiago silva who management has high hopes for, from what ive seen he looks very good. I'll withhold judgment until i see more of him but assume he is a start. We still need another class defender

Originally Posted by Ceceves

It's true those teams spend more money than Milan, but how have they been less succesful than us? If we're talking CL, then yes, but what really counts (at least imo) is the league. We've only won it once under Carlo, Madrid and Barca have won la liga three times each, United have won the premiership four times. To me they've been the more succesful teams, frankly.

and this is carlos biggest problem. I love carlo, and if we get a new coach, i want to point out... i will not have the same confidence in a CL match in march/april that i did with carlo.

But if u look at this season, even with a depleted squad, i can think of games, he's blown. Lecce where we played for a 1-0 and drew. Torino in november we had lead and blew to a draw. both roma and genoa in january were we sat on 1 goal leads thinking we'd win. 2 more draws. That alone is 8 points lost, without getting into juve and udinese games. Or WERDER in uefa cup.

I agree carlo has got a bit of a raw deal with signings, but then again he has proven by constantly fielding seedorf and others, when given younger new players he wont play them