Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

WEll, I thought the Non EU rules is that we are allow three non EU players signing per season as long as we replace the existing ones.
Our three non EU players are Sheva, Viduez and Kalac.
If all three of them are gone, then it is possible for T. Silva, Essien and Hernanes to come, right? Or am I wrong?

Why would kalac be a new non Eu player?
To be honest you confuse me a bit I thought it was two new non Eurpean players plus the ones that leave... Anyone?

Considering we have Silva an Mattione we can only fill up with whoever leaves. Or am I wrong?

Originally Posted by Koeke

Why would kalac be a new non Eu player?
To be honest you confuse me a bit I thought it was two new non Eurpean players plus the ones that leave... Anyone?

Considering we have Silva an Mattione we can only fill up with whoever leaves. Or am I wrong?

If I am not wrong, as someone here has posted, since last season the new rule about the number of non-EU player per year is 2 players, one is like the seasons before, every club are free to sign a non-EU player outside italian league and the other one is that the club must first release a non-EU player they have before they can add the new non-EU player (from outside italian league) to complete the 2 non-EU players a club can sign per year.

Two spots for non-EU for last year were for Sheva and Vuidez, that's why Silva can't be registered until the season ends. Mattioni has EU-pass.

ps : I am still not sure about the rule exactly. What I know for sure is that a club can sign 2 non-EU players outside Italy per a year.

Originally Posted by mrki

This Pirlo - Essien swap is too good to be realistic. I would do it in a second, but I cant believe its possible.

Hernanes's (sp?) manager confirmed only club to made a bit for Hernanes is Bayern. His price is around 20-25mln euro now. It would be sad if after Gourcuff we let another class player who is versatile, powerfull, young and plays with both legs go away. Lets hope Leonardo can make this transfer happen. We need fresh midfield players as well as some defenders.

Essien-Hernanes-Gattuso-Kaka'... 3 players capabvle of playing well in defensive phase, and also 3 players capable of playing forward on WC level. Sublime midfield.

Also there are some rumors about some young 18 year old player from Lille. Geo, is he any good?? I think he is Belgian...

And, our Nesta is called up!! Forza Sandro!

As I said, Im hoping for a few players with grit in new Milan.

Next year we start with practically 6 new great players: Mexes, Thiago, Nesta, Hernanes, Essien, Adebayor

Now Im off for my coffee coz Im apparently not well in the morning

I believe it's Eden Hazard. Would like to hear about him aswell Geo!

i am not sure about Shevchenko surely he has a EU passport by now but last year milan bought Vuidez and Cardacio to fill up the spaces. Felipe doesn't count as he is half Italian but thiago Silva has certainly taken up a space. I think 3 non EU playeres are allowed for each year for each club so hopefully Milan can pick up two new non EU players. This is one of the silliest rules in Serie A it really protecting the clubs from South America, plus the premier league doesn't rule and as a result has thrived.

Originally Posted by johncharles365

i am not sure about Shevchenko surely he has a EU passport by now but last year milan bought Vuidez and Cardacio to fill up the spaces. Felipe doesn't count as he is half Italian but thiago Silva has certainly taken up a space. I think 3 non EU playeres are allowed for each year for each club so hopefully Milan can pick up two new non EU players. This is one of the silliest rules in Serie A it really protecting the clubs from South America, plus the premier league doesn't rule and as a result has thrived.

Cardaccio has EU-pass and only two non-EU players from outside Italy are allowed to be registered.

Sheva in that time didn't have EU-pass (if what you say is true), that's why Milan made blunder with their strategy with non-EU spots since Silva should be able to give more power to Milan defence. Two spots were only for bench and primavera players. What a pity!

are you Cardacio I knew he half italian but i heard he didn't have a EU passport. how were inter where able to sign obina, muntari and macini plus add rivas from youth team
? i hope there are 3 spots in any case.

Originally Posted by johncharles365

are you Cardacio I knew he half italian but i heard he didn't have a EU passport. how were inter where able to sign obina, muntari and macini plus add rivas from youth team
? i hope there are 3 spots in any case.

Yes, I am sure about Cardaccio. Viudez and Sheva took the EU spots.

Obina and Mancini I believe were from Serie A/B. Non-EU spots only from outside Italy.

Originally Posted by Koeke

I don't blame Gorky for chosing Bordaux I do blame the mangement.
You are quiet right but I don't think Milan should offer these things. But they had to make sure he had a feeling milan would give him a fair shot this time that they believed in him that he was our future.
Fact is he didn't bought it or they didn't try enough unles maybe last weak but his mind was allready made up Milan didn't believe in him.

I don't think you're alone in blaming the management over the Gourcuff debacle. Milan should be offering some of those things. CL football should be something we should be offering him, and we would be were it not for our incompetence this season.

I think in the end the two biggest reasons he didn't come were because we can't guarantee a starting spot which he needs and Domenech, and we shouldn't be offering the starting spot imo (it always depends on performances), though I hope we did make sure he understood our plans were to have him as a big part of our future. Domenech's a fool that should have been sacked from the France job many years ago, and his biased approach to handling Italy based players surely must make many French players think twice about coming to Italy, especially if they want to play for France in the next World Cup (which Gourcuff does).

If Milan signs a player like Cronaldo, I will stop supporting them that instant. An arrogant cheating a**h*** is the last thing this club needs. Although I'm not surprised a man like Berlusconi invited Cronaldo to join his club... more of the same.[/quote]

think about what the hell you just said and realize how much sense that made... most great young players in the world are arrogant what you think they all act like maldini?... also ronaldo brings money to the club... ala becks ronnie and would bring the lights back to Serie A...how the hell does he cheat because he dives?.... WHICH EVERYSINGLE PLAYER IN THE WORLD DOES!?...im guessing you prolly think becks is a secret money hungry pretty boy that's the reason why he went to america and came to us...because wants more cash and doesnt care about calcio even tho hes won everything

in england,almost in spain,now italy and a world cup for england is the 2 final test

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

im guessing you prolly think becks is a secret money hungry pretty boy that's the reason why he went to america and came to us...because wants more cash and doesnt care about calcio even tho hes won everything

Funny, I'd heard that Becks actually paid out of his own pocket to come over here.

Scoring machines regularly get the s--- knocked out of them in Serie A (just ask Kaka and Pato), and CRonaldo would be no exception. Put him up against a Materazzi or Gattuso on a regular basis and let's see how he does.

in england,almost in spain,now italy and a world cup for england is the 2 final test

Huh?

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Our three non EU players are Sheva, Viduez and Kalac.

Dida is up there too, as I believe he himself doesn't have an EU passport.

Originally Posted by boring

Since he's joined Chelsea, he's changed his game from what it was in Lyon. I think he even played as a supporting striker on the odd occasion over there but now his utility as an attacking players is largely limited to driving runs from deep in the midfield and supporting the attack. Plus he has a fantastic shot up his boot. I've watched him a lot over the last 3 seasons and he's not as versatile in attack as he was at Lyon. He is a fantastic man to man marker but tactically he's not too great. Also he has struggled against team that play the passing game.

However, and I'm sure you'll agree with this, that's not quite what Milan needs considering the kind of gaping holes our squad has in certain positions.

P.S. I think he can be better than Vieira but in the last 3 years he's been injured, gone for African nations, played out of position so often that people have forgotten how good he really can be. Defensively, he's a stronger and technically superior but less hungrier version of Gattuso.

But I would argue that the reason he hasn't been as versatile in the attack as he was at Lyon is because Chelsea is not asking him to be. They've utilized him primarily in the Makalele role, which I think is a mistake. They haven't taken full advantage of his offensive skills because they have Lampard, Ballack, Cole and others to go forward. I think he would be best utilized as a box-to-box type, but if you recall the 2006 World Cup he was outstanding playing as a deep-lying playmaker -- exactly Pirlo's role. There's no reason to think Essien couldn't be successful in any midfield role.

I do agree that a player of Essien's type is not a priority. In fact, I don't consider the midfield to be a priority at all. With a healthy Gattuso and the likely return of Beckham after the MLS season, the midfield will be fine. But if there's a possibility of adding a player of Essien's ability, I think it's something that has to be seriously considered.

That said, I don't think it will happen. I don't think Chelsea would give him up and I have serious doubts that Pirlo will be going to Stamford Bridge. But if there was a swap, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment. Essien is just now entering his prime. Nobody really knows how much longer Gattuso (31) or Ambrosini (32) or Pirlo (30) will be at their present level.

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

think about what the hell you just said and realize how much sense that made... most great young players in the world are arrogant what you think they all act like maldini?... also ronaldo brings money to the club... ala becks ronnie and would bring the lights back to Serie A...how the hell does he cheat because he dives?.... WHICH EVERYSINGLE PLAYER IN THE WORLD DOES!?...im guessing you prolly think becks is a secret money hungry pretty boy that's the reason why he went to america and came to us...because wants more cash and doesnt care about calcio even tho hes won everything

Most young players are arrogant? Have you heard of Walcott, Messi, Aguero, Pato etc? Which of these is arrogant? I can name you scores of others as well.

There is a difference between diving out of desperation and diving because you're a cheat. Kaka and Pato have taken a dive out of desperation but there is a difference between that dive and diving at every opportunity possible (Cronaldo), diving when there was no contact (Cronaldo), diving against relegation opposition (Cronaldo against Derby), diving for no reason (against Lampard at Stamford Bridge this year). He's not the only one who does that but he's certainly one of the worst.

Every single player in the world dives? Ever heard of Ronaldinho, Messi, Iniesta, Torres, etc? These are world class who got there without diving.

Originally Posted by Rick

But I would argue that the reason he hasn't been as versatile in the attack as he was at Lyon is because Chelsea is not asking him to be. They've utilized him primarily in the Makalele role, which I think is a mistake. They haven't taken full advantage of his offensive skills because they have Lampard, Ballack, Cole and others to go forward. I think he would be best utilized as a box-to-box type, but if you recall the 2006 World Cup he was outstanding playing as a deep-lying playmaker -- exactly Pirlo's role. There's no reason to think Essien couldn't be successful in any midfield role.

But that could also be due to the style of the Ghanian national team. As with all African teams, they use that tremendous power of theirs in their game. Essien played as a deep midfielder but not as a conventional playmaker. It's just not what Milan needs not only because we have similar players but also because that style doesn't suit the Serie A per se.

You're right about him being wasted at that deep midfield role. Offensively, he superior to both Ballack (who's become pathetic this season) and Mikel.

[quote=boring;531926]Most young players are arrogant? Have you heard of Walcott, Messi, Aguero, Pato etc? Which of these is arrogant? I can name you scores of others as well.

There is a difference between diving out of desperation and diving because you're a cheat. Kaka and Pato have taken a dive out of desperation but there is a difference between that dive and diving at every opportunity possible (Cronaldo), diving when there was no contact (Cronaldo), diving against relegation opposition (Cronaldo against Derby), diving for no reason (against Lampard at Stamford Bridge this year). He's not the only one who does that but he's certainly one of the worst.

Every single player in the world dives? Ever heard of Ronaldinho, Messi, Iniesta, Torres, etc? These are world class who got there without diving.

iniesta is a cam midfielder almost and isnt mugged by opponents every minute.....ronaldinho does complain a ton watch him aganst english clubs....walcott doesnt score goals....its part of the game.....so im guessing you think drogba falls into the same catagory as ronaldo right?.....in that case why dont you ripp on francesco totti for diving aganst Australia....

[quote=boring;531926]Most young players are arrogant? Have you heard of Walcott, Messi, Aguero, Pato etc? Which of these is arrogant? I can name you scores of others as well.

There is a difference between diving out of desperation and diving because you're a cheat. Kaka and Pato have taken a dive out of desperation but there is a difference between that dive and diving at every opportunity possible (Cronaldo), diving when there was no contact (Cronaldo), diving against relegation opposition (Cronaldo against Derby), diving for no reason (against Lampard at Stamford Bridge this year). He's not the only one who does that but he's certainly one of the worst.

Every single player in the world dives? Ever heard of Ronaldinho, Messi, Iniesta, Torres, etc? These are world class who got there without diving.

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iniesta is a cam midfielder and isnt mugged by opponents every minute.....ronaldinho does complain a ton watch him aganst english clubs....walcott doesnt score goals....its part of the game.....so im guessing you think drogba falls into the same catagory as ronaldo right?.....in that case why dont you ripp on francesco totti for diving aganst Australia....i think your probally just a ronaldo hater

sorry about double posting im getting new to this