Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

NOw, do you think Carlo will still use the X'mas Tree at Chelsea, if so, then I guess something will never change.

Oh yeah, and who cares that he only played the X-mas tree when he got stuck with a handful of good players that can play only in certain positions.

Carlo Ancelotti can make the best out of who he has available. At Chelsea he will have an enormous choice comparing to Leonardo at Milan. Anyway, I will let you have your minute of ridicule. We will see the results next season.

Originally Posted by tardissun

Ancelotti is officially the new Chelsea manager.

And the first thing he did was asking Sheva about the place where he can learn English

Well, he should have asked Sheva kids

Originally Posted by fLame

Oh yeah, and who cares that he only played the X-mas tree when he got stuck with a handful of good players that can play only in certain positions.

Carlo Ancelotti can make the best out of who he has available. At Chelsea he will have an enormous choice comparing to Leonardo at Milan. Anyway, I will let you have your minute of ridicule. We will see the results next season.

Dude, you can have your say now, but lets see what happens next year.

One more thing, I do agree with you that the current Chelsea team has better players than the current Milan squad.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Dude, you can have your say now, but lets see what happens next year.

One more thing, I do agree with you that the current Chelsea team has better players than the current Milan squad.

True, but Chelsea has to go up against Man U and Liverpool whereas Milan only has Inter and Juventus to worry about. As good as the two italian teams are, they are not really in the same league as Man U and Liverpool. So, even with better players, Chelsea still might not win anything meaningful next year.

Originally Posted by slifersd

True, but Chelsea has to go up against Man U and Liverpool whereas Milan only has Inter and Juventus to worry about. As good as the two italian teams are, they are not really in the same league as Man U and Liverpool. So, even with better players, Chelsea still might not win anything meaningful next year.

Well, to win the domestic league means being consistent and having a huge squad will help.
CL is a different story, as I think it comes down to luck with draw, injuries and on form players at the time.

What I am saying is that, Chelsea is in a much better position than Milan to win the league and CL as of the squad now.

OFcourse, once Seedorf moves to Chelsea, they will just become unstoppable.

Ancelotti didnt got results in his first year at Milan. He got his result when he was given Seedorf and Rivaldo in the 2nd year and when he had a team with: Dida/Abbiatti, Maldini, Nesta, Billy, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Rui, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Inzaghi... Later on we got Cafu, Stam(after scudetto) and Ricky and won scudetto.

That team was THE STRONGEST TEAM IN THE WORLD WITHOUT COMPETITION!

This Milan squad, even if it buys lets say 3 class players, is not on the level of that super Milan that Berlusconi payed for during that period of his competition with Juventus and Moggi.

We had a backline of Maldini-Stam-Nesta-CAfu... we can stop here when we compare it to the Milan Leo will get.

But there is time, we can built again with smart buys and precise tactical setup. And, if our results next year are 3rd place with losing the scudetto on half season, like in past 2 years, then we are on the same level as we are now.

Originally Posted by mrki

Ancelotti didnt got results in his first year at Milan. He got his result when he was given Seedorf and Rivaldo in the 2nd year and when he had a team with: Dida/Abbiatti, Maldini, Nesta, Billy, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Rui, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Inzaghi... Later on we got Cafu, Stam(after scudetto) and Ricky and won scudetto.

That team was THE STRONGEST TEAM IN THE WORLD WITHOUT COMPETITION!

That's true, but I still think he should be given credit. Barcelona had basicly the same team last year as they did this year, yet last year they finished third in La Liga while this year they won everything.

Originally Posted by mrki

Ancelotti didnt got results in his first year at Milan. He got his result when he was given Seedorf and Rivaldo in the 2nd year and when he had a team with: Dida/Abbiatti, Maldini, Nesta, Billy, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Rui, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Inzaghi... Later on we got Cafu, Stam(after scudetto) and Ricky and won scudetto.

That team was THE STRONGEST TEAM IN THE WORLD WITHOUT COMPETITION!

O really? How about our 2007 champions league squad?
And i know what you are going to say - "Kaka at his best in 2007".
BUT, it was Ancelotti that put Kaka in that role, it was Ancelotti that gave the team the right motivation, and it was Ancelotti that found the perfect balance with his far from perfect team and outclassed ManUre.

Soon you are gonna start basing your arguments on single games.
You make me luff.

Originally Posted by mrki

Ancelotti didnt got results in his first year at Milan. He got his result when he was given Seedorf and Rivaldo in the 2nd year and when he had a team with: Dida/Abbiatti, Maldini, Nesta, Billy, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Rui, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Inzaghi... Later on we got Cafu, Stam(after scudetto) and Ricky and won scudetto.

That team was THE STRONGEST TEAM IN THE WORLD WITHOUT COMPETITION!

This Milan squad, even if it buys lets say 3 class players, is not on the level of that super Milan that Berlusconi payed for during that period of his competition with Juventus and Moggi.

We had a backline of Maldini-Stam-Nesta-CAfu... we can stop here when we compare it to the Milan Leo will get.

But there is time, we can built again with smart buys and precise tactical setup. And, if our results next year are 3rd place with losing the scudetto on half season, like in past 2 years, then we are on the same level as we are now.

Well, even I agree that Carlo should leave this season, I think I have to defend Carlo again.

It's true that he had very good team at his disposal but many of them were 'blossoming' in his era : Pirlo, Gattuso, Dida, Seedorf. Maldini, Nesta, Rui and Sheva were the big stars at that time. Inzaghi could be added to big stars but he was actually not as good as he has been for these 2-3 years. Rivaldo in the mean time was like a puzzle to solve : a WC player who his contract terminated by Barcelona. I personally think, there must be something that Barcelona could do such a 'crazy' thing.

Our squad when we won the CL :
Dida
Simic-Nesta-Maldini-Kaladze
Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf
Rui Costa
Sheva-Inzaghi

As you can see, he didn't just get a DREAM TEAM but he played big role to make such a great team. Before season 2002/03 began, no one predicted Milan will win the CL but Milan managed to beat big team like München and Madrid, the previous CL winner.

After the first CL trophy for Carlo, that's true some stars are coming but the real star (big star) was only Stam. Kaka was nothing when he came to Milan, Cafu's arrival would be bashed by many fans if it happened these days (he was just old, period!), Crespo found his life in football again credit to Carlo, etc.

But again, every club have their own stars. Every team who won a championship can be written that the coach has nothing to with their success, alibi is every where.

When asked about Kaka' Galliani complained about tax rules in Italy, and then said he hopes Kaka' will stay.

Also, Pato is in demand as well. In short, it appears, Milan are due for a mass exodus. We also won't be able to replace these players because our management won't spend the money.

Serie A is slowly becoming a fifth rate league.

You all are dreaming if you think any players will come to Milan. Our owner is stingy and I think we are set for a long period of decline.
Honestly, do you guys think Kaka' will stay after the far from convincing denials of Galliani and Leonardo?

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

When asked about Kaka' Galliani complained about tax rules in Italy, and then said he hopes Kaka' will stay.

Also, Pato is in demand as well. In short, it appears, Milan are due for a mass exodus. We also won't be able to replace these players because our management won't spend the money.

Serie A is slowly becoming a fifth rate league.

You all are dreaming if you think any players will come to Milan. Our owner is stingy and I think we are set for a long period of decline.
Honestly, do you guys think Kaka' will stay after the far from convincing denials of Galliani and Leonardo?

Honostly your overly negative way of viewing things is silly.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

When asked about Kaka' Galliani complained about tax rules in Italy, and then said he hopes Kaka' will stay.

Also, Pato is in demand as well. In short, it appears, Milan are due for a mass exodus. We also won't be able to replace these players because our management won't spend the money.

Serie A is slowly becoming a fifth rate league.

You all are dreaming if you think any players will come to Milan. Our owner is stingy and I think we are set for a long period of decline.
Honestly, do you guys think Kaka' will stay after the far from convincing denials of Galliani and Leonardo?

A little too early to ring alarm bells don't you think? (although I have a similar feeling)

I am fascinated with what Carlo does with Chelsea. Is he going to follow the same Jose-Grant-Hiddink style or is he going to make Chelsea a watchable club?

With Liverpool's rise, Chelsea hiring Ancelotti and Wenger getting a spanking, I think next English season is actually going to be competitive (not to mention stronger than ever before).

Originally Posted by Christian

Honostly your overly negative way of viewing things is silly.

Actually, honestly, you know nothing of me as a poster. I am generally positive, but I don't have my head in the clouds.

Our management created the whole Kaka' fiasco in January, and tried to put a positive spin on it. Read this story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo....html?ITO=1490

Spain and England have an edge--that much is clear. But when your management whines and pules about tax rates, it forebodes dark days. It's true Galliani complains more than other managers. But are you not a little annoyed that while clubs like Real Madrid and Man U are investing and strengthening, our management is whimpering about Serie A's poverty? Would you not like management to say once, that yes the tax rates are tough in Italy, but a big club like Milan has to invest?

If not, then your overly positive way of looking at things is silly.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Actually, honestly, you know nothing of me as a poster. I am generally positive, but I don't have my head in the clouds.

Our management created the whole Kaka' fiasco in January, and tried to put a positive spin on it. Read this story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo....html?ITO=1490

Spain and England have an edge--that much is clear. But when your management whines and pules about tax rates, it forebodes dark days. It's true Galliani complains more than other managers. But are you not a little annoyed that while clubs like Real Madrid and Man U are investing and strengthening, our management is whimpering about Serie A's poverty? Would you not like management to say once, that yes the tax rates are tough in Italy, but a big club like Milan has to invest?

If not, then your overly positive way of looking at things is silly.

I wasn't bashing you as a poster, I was just saying that your post was extremely negativ.

Look a club like Real Madrid can invest as much as they does because they have a guy like Florentino Perez pumping money into them. If we were to invest anywhere near that much, it would have to come from Berlusconi's personal wealth, and I don't think we're in any kind of position to tell Berlusconi how to spent his money. I don't think Man Utd has spent alot more than we have lately. They bought Berbatov last summer, that's about it if I'm not wrong.

You're saying that all of the sudden we're gonna sell Pato, Kaka and everyone else in the club. It's not gonna happen, maybe Kaka, just maybe, but if that was gonna happen I'm am absolutly certain that we would reinvest the money in new players. You make it sound like Galliani has given completly up on Milan and just doesn't care about the club anymore. I say you're completly off, I don't think you'll find many people who care about Milan's interests as much as Galliani.