Summer mercato 2009

I say bring Santacruce, De silvestri, Hernanes, Hamsik, Ribery, Lavezzi and Zarate if u want to sell RICKY.

The problem is if we only get €65-70m for Kaká we can't even sign half of those players. And who says we'll spend it all on the mercato? First we have to pay our bills! It seems we're the only team in the world that has to worry about that (us and Valencia).

Galliani said a top forward is coming (in case we sell Kaká). If it's Luca Toni, as rumoured, then ... *sigh*. If we continue like this we'll be in Serie B by 2015.

I have some good news and bad news:

The good news is that Pirlo has distanced himself away from a move to Chelsea. The bad news is, well in fact its a very bad news and that is Pato has interest in joining Chelsea. Refer to the URL for details:

http:///www.setanta.com//uk/Articles...ea/gnid-55740/

Couldn't agree with you more Gabriel489, some intelligent business decisions is what's needed right now! Selling 40% ownership to foreign investors is the smart decision, if Galliani is saying Italian clubs can't compete with the spanish and english counterparts, and Berlu won't inject any of his funds, then selling some shares won't hurt Berlu's precious control of the club. Although Berlu is adamant in owning 100% of the club and at the same time running it in a poor state of affairs.

remember guys only 1 non Eu spot left at Milan if new players are coming it will between adebayor, dzeko, lavezzi, hernanes costa and essien. i recckon Galliani is going to buy adebayor just calm the fans down it is just so pathetic if galliani is serious about serie and milan to become a working modern profitable format he needs to lobby to get the stupid 2 non eu spot legislation out of serie a he needs to get berlusconi to manage the team or sell it on to the arabs he needs to get the san siro updated with new sercurity systems and better food and merchandise kiosks he needs to cut the management by 50% getting rid of that joke of vice president paolo berlusconi and he needs to get rid of these silly useless big name players like seedorf oddo ronaldihno dida and kaladze. for me if sells kaka and things go on has they have done i just won't waste my cash on anything to do with milan that is my strongest weapon that i have against the management.

Anyway after what was said in January and what Kaka' said 2 days ago, if he leaves ...

http://www.calciomercato.it/imagenes...lan-maglia.jpg

This picture would have no sense ...

There are a lot of absurd statements in here that are just as big of a lie as what media writes. I can't really sum everything up but a few things to mention:

1) Despite Berlusconi being...well Berlusconi... he actually has spent an absurd amount of money in Milan over the years. Milan has always had big red numbers after every season (I believe except the season we sold Sheva, we went like break even), and those millions of euros Berlusconi has paid. There is no way that Milan can become a profitable club and still fight for trophies in Europe, it is absolutely impossible for a Serie A side. If you want to be a top european side in Italy you have to have to spend more money than you earn. He's still filthy rich, but who knows how much he lost in the global financial crisis (like all rich people), and maybe he feels he can't continue to both cover our yearly losses + buy great players. I guess we will get the answer in the near future if he will sell some of the club to the Arabs.

2) Many of you talk about us getting rid of players like Dida, Kaladze, Seedorf etc that we pay a ton of wager to. However no one of you are saying who will actually buy these players. As we all know, they have not exactly shown top class the last year(s), and they earn top wager for a top club. For example Dida could probably do a good job in a club like Parma, but it's not like they can afford a fraction of what he will demand in salary, and something tells me he won't substantially cut his salary to play in a smaller club. These players have contracts, and a club can't just tell them to get lost and tear those contracts up. We could pay them out of their contracts, but I expect that they will most likely ask for what we would have to pay them to stay out their contracts anyways. It would also mean we would be throwing out players that has served us faithfully over many years, which is exactly what the club doesn't have the image to do (the family club). It's a lose - lose situation no matter how you look at it.

3) The management have taken a lot of weird decisions over the recent years, but remember that Milan under Berlusconi era is the most successful Milan in history. They aren't clueless morons that don't know the first thing about how to run a football club. Also remember that as a fan there is A LOT you don't know the first thing of about the club. Galliani and co have all the info they need about the state of the club to make decisions for how to go forward, while us fans only know a small part of the picture. Try to remember that before you make statements like you know 100% what is the perfect choices for the club.

And let's consider the worst case scenario: We have to sell some of our best players and for the coming years we will not be a top club anymore. Will you still support the club? I would love to hear the answer to that question, cause from many comments I start to wonder.

Like I said before, I will support Milan even in Serie B.

However, Galliani and Berlusconi are NOT supporters of Milan. They are sordid crooks. They can bank on our faithfulness, but they are guilty of high treason.

Qoute Galliani:
"The reasons behind Kaka's departure would be economic."

A statement like that also says that Kaka won't be replaced and we won't spend much money on transfers this summer. If we were to spend big to replace him, how can the reasons behind his departure be economic?

Having said that it really doesn't bother me if we don't spend big, we got Kaka back in 2003 for a relatively small amount of money. Spending right is much more pleasing than spending big. But it's not easy to be that lucky again. What bothers me is selling the main symbol of the club (now that Maldini has retired) when he really doesn't want to leave, and then trying to make it look smart. Selling a player like Kaka when he's only 27 and wants to stay, will never look smart, so don't even try...

If Kaka is sold solely for economic reasons then Berlusconi can wipe off that billionaire-smile of his, because he won't ever look like a billionaire again...

I'm still hoping that on Monday the decision to keep Kaka is announced, as anything else would be a major blow to the club, the management, the coach and all Milan-fans worldwide. Fingers crossed!

Originally Posted by MVBasten

And let's consider the worst case scenario: We have to sell some of our best players and for the coming years we will not be a top club anymore. Will you still support the club? I would love to hear the answer to that question, cause from many comments I start to wonder.

It's a good question, especially when we can read from some people that they are going to stop supporting the club until "X thing to happen" if we sell Kaka' ... I can't understand that, you love Milan or you don't love Milan (same for all other clubs), you can't say "I love Milan but if ...".

About the other parts, some people are going to tell you what they told me ... (something like Berlu did amazing job for decades but since 3 years he did only weird things and so he has to sell the club if he sells Kaka', etc, it's the kind of answer I got, like if Berlu/Galliani were the devil in this story).

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

Qoute Galliani:
"The reasons behind Kaka's departure would be economic."

A statement like that also says that Kaka won't be replaced and we won't spend much money on transfers this summer. If we were to spend big to replace him, how can the reasons behind his departure be economic?

Having said that it really doesn't bother me if we don't spend big, we got Kaka back in 2003 for a relatively small amount of money. Spending right is much more pleasing than spending big. But it's not easy to be that lucky again. What bothers me is selling the main symbol of the club (now that Maldini has retired) when he really doesn't want to leave, and then trying to make it look smart. Selling a player like Kaka when he's only 27 and wants to stay, will never look smart, so don't even try...

If Kaka is sold solely for economic reasons then Berlusconi can wipe off that billionaire-smile of his, because he won't ever look like a billionaire again...

I'm still hoping that on Monday the decision to keep Kaka is announced, as anything else would be a major blow to the club, the management, the coach and all Milan-fans worldwide. Fingers crossed!

Kaka' is an angel ... of course.
He has to sign to leave, and after what he said some days ago (and the reasons for not leaving for Manchester City), if he leaves, that will just show to the fans that he doesn't care about us but only about his career.

If you read completely what Galliani and/or Berlusconi said, Kaka' refused Manchester City but is ok to leave for Real Madrid ... how does it have to be interpreted ?

Originally Posted by MVBasten

And let's consider the worst case scenario: We have to sell some of our best players and for the coming years we will not be a top club anymore. Will you still support the club? I would love to hear the answer to that question, cause from many comments I start to wonder.

Of course; I will support Milan no matter what, even if we sell Kaka and Pato, and even if we bring in Joey Barton and Emerson to replace them and we sink to the Serie D.

I think all the posters in this forum are grateful to Berlusconi for the money he's spend on Milan through the years and for taking this club to the top on more than one occasion. However this does not mean we have be content with the way the club is being handled lately. After all Berlusconi didn't create Milan, this club was already among the greatest in the world during the eras of GreNoLi, Gianni Rivera etc.

So we should be thankful for what Berlusconi has given to Milan, but the club deserves better than to sink into mediocrity (if that is where we're heading).

You guys are missing the point.

If Milan were to suffer a dozen Istanbuls and mid-table mediocrity, I would resolutely support them.

What we are dealing with here are systematic lies. We are dealing with two men who do not care as much as we do. Moratti and Gigli care about their clubs. If the men in charge don't care as much as you do and are hellbent on ruining your club, why should some remain so committed?

Like I said, football for me is Italy and Milan, and I will always support my teams.

However, you can't blame some.

Finally, I think Kaka' is equally happy to stay or go. If management wanted to keep him they would.


The only redeeming thing about this affair is that Kaka' is 27 and if we were to sell him, this would be the time. After 2 seasons, he will be 30 or thereabouts. I think Real will get 2 season of top quality football from him, given his recent form and reliance on pace.

of course would support milan even if they were mid i just wouldn't willing to be committed a supporter because of the cock by management that put that us in that position. MV basten you make mid table finish sound non-threatening do you realise how much a disaster that would be for Milan and what it would take the club to be in the top 4 again and competing adequately in Europe. The management would be idiots to do that it would cost the club more 100 million euros to bring Milan to its current position if Milan drop to mid table boredom. I have disagree with you about the management they are pretty poor and gained they position because they are related to berlusconi. admittedly i am slightly impressed with marina but her back round is women's media and corporate investment so she isn't suited to non executive position at ac milan as for paolo he is just a mouth piece for his father and doesn't know what the he is doing as vice president. You judge a company by they result and Milan have failed in every respect. You cant complain that you profits aren't good because of the football environment you have to innovate and create strategies to combat any environmental threats. it is blindly obvious to me that Milan need a new stadium or to kick inter out of the san siro. in addition Milan had failed to invested in property and foreign assets, a corporate income from these assets would also limit any loses. MV Basten send a copy of a profit and loss account a balance sheet and a cash flow statement , it very to judge a companies effectiveness when they aren't very transparent. You may be right in criticising the statements by people saying juve and inter don't have these problem well they do they just pile up the debt regardless i don't think inter have made a real profit for over 7 years now Morrati is continuously bailing the club out of financial meltdown.

Originally Posted by MVBasten

There are a lot of absurd statements in here that are just as big of a lie as what media writes. I can't really sum everything up but a few things to mention:

1) Despite Berlusconi being...well Berlusconi... he actually has spent an absurd amount of money in Milan over the years. Milan has always had big red numbers after every season (I believe except the season we sold Sheva, we went like break even), and those millions of euros Berlusconi has paid. There is no way that Milan can become a profitable club and still fight for trophies in Europe, it is absolutely impossible for a Serie A side. If you want to be a top european side in Italy you have to have to spend more money than you earn. He's still filthy rich, but who knows how much he lost in the global financial crisis (like all rich people), and maybe he feels he can't continue to both cover our yearly losses + buy great players. I guess we will get the answer in the near future if he will sell some of the club to the Arabs.

With utmost respect to you and your Post here and in the chat room, I simply dont agree here. I can understand us going in the red after a season of high-investments in terms of transfers but with minimum success(This is possible) however

For the last 8 years(carlo era) We have won 2 CL,1 final and one Semi-Final, 1 scudetto. Meaning in financial terms we have been 5 years very succesfull, cuz the truth is that a team that achieves this much gets very high returns, from marketing, season tickets( round 10 mil every year) and CL Bonuses which are mindblowing.

And I cant simply accept that we were in debts during this periods(at least my logic doesnt accept it). however This year has been catastorphical in financial terms. Medium investment with absolutely nothin in return(thats why u have becks and all those friendlies this year).

Now try to paint the picture. If we were on a debt 2003, 2005,2007 After that much success..in what debt should we be now, after no CL bonuses, No scudetto, and on top of that global crisis.

And if we have come to the positioon to sell our Symbols to keep the club going than we are becoming Ajax, Dinamo Zagreb, and thats clear indication of missmanagement.
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Whats really hurting in this Kaka case, is that a team who we are supposed to be better than...can buy a player for 65 mil, and still consider buying Xabi,Tevez,Villa and Silva....and we we can not afford keep out best player.