Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Arjun

Maybe we should stop buying players and just focus on building a stadium that we own and meets world class standards...and in 5 years time we can aim to be back on top of the world...just a thought. If we stay at the San Siro we may forever be a "also ran" team given the way football is evolving in England.

This would be a sensible thing to do although the idea of leaving the san siro is a difficult one to swallow. The baldies especially Galliani keep going about the economic sense, as justification, of the Kaka deal, how Spain has lower taxes etc it is worth noting that the low taxes of 25% apply to only Non-spanish workers designed to attract high calibire foreign workers, the so called 'Beckam rule' who was first to expliot it as a foottbaler. Spanish Players pay taxes that are comparable to Italian high income earners. Maybe a tad irrelevant considering that Kaka is not spanish but at the same time as usual they dont tell the hole truth.

In addition the Taxes in the UK are also comparable to Italian in fact whereas wages in th UK are usually quoted in gross in Italy it is net. Hence in effect baldy and co are massively overpaying players compared to their english counterparts so to now bemoan the differences in revenues as justification for the sale of Kaka does not tell the whole story. Most people with even a modicum of knowledge concerning football economics could have forseen the gap in wealth increasing yet by by giving huge contracts to players baldy and co were either igonrant of this or something else has changed.

That something else in my opinion is Berlusconis ever decreasing interest in the club.

Very balanced post Samaldinho...I like how u have made your points.

I have given up hope of us keeping Kaka...and that's just me....I am not hoping, or expecting to change n e one's mind...I just try to state my feelings, and vent.

Ur arguments are solid, and I am heartened by them.

At the end of the day, if he leaves, if he stays...life, and Milan go on.

some pics from the fans protest in milano

http://www.corriere.it/gallery/Sport.../milanisti/1&9

Moratti is in Spain for a Ibra-Eto'o swap.

^^^

thats massive barca would be stronger than ever if we keep kaka' add a few replacements and stay healthy of course we can win Serie A, i hope it's true lolol

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Very balanced post Samaldinho...I like how u have made your points.

I have given up hope of us keeping Kaka...and that's just me....I am not hoping, or expecting to change n e one's mind...I just try to state my feelings, and vent.

Ur arguments are solid, and I am heartened by them.

At the end of the day, if he leaves, if he stays...life, and Milan go on.

Some interesting points about the Kaka situation, but the judgement of Gourcuff being scared is harsh. He is not a fool, in the season before a world cup he knows he cant afford to risk coming to Milan and being benched. Lloris turned us down ofr similar reasons.

i love the fact that Christian and Samadinho are defending berlusconi lol you guys still don't get it he doesn't want the burden of Milan any more he is more interested in young women and his political career. you defending one the most corrupt politicians in western Europe and when i say that I am including france as well. If you analyse his rationales and motives you begin to understand that all he want is football club that doesn't cause him any hassle. I think every fans has the freedom to have a go berlusconi and he thoroughly deserve the insults chucked towards him. I don't want his puppet of a son to manage the club nor do i want his daughter to be cashier of milan. it not like the fans want the superstars of europe most of us want dzeko or santacrose hardly the ronaldo's of the world. most of all us milan fans want a bit common sense what the best way forward for milan and getting of a player that can secure milan top 4 finish each season is very dubious. Milan have given up so many top stars in recent years in faith that it would future success i am not too surprised that no one is fond of berlusconi and galliani anymore. I don't know any thing about you christian you may of been around in the mid 80s watching berlusconi rebuild milan and that why you stand by him but for me my earliest memories of Milan were of the 1996 season and i remember berlusconi not even turning up to watch games. Giving milan 20 million a euro to cover debts caused by calcio poli scandal and debt crunching buying is just not good enough. the only way i could forgive berlusconi for selling kaka is for him to come to the club and start running it again because out of all his organisation he is a natural born businessmen and knows how to turn a profit

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...inedine-zidane

^^ thats what i read what do i think? well did zidane see the signature? the fact is we will know on monday and the decision rest on his hands kaka' also kaka's dad wants digao 1.5 his brother a 12 mill a year salary come on man...even madrid think that's alott hopefully they'll jack it up so much that it scares em off come on you guys need to be positive

I just hope that Berlusconi knows that Moratti will sell IBRA and so he plays for the perfect timing where IBRA's move will be anouned while he will stop the KAKA move. That way he'll look like a hero and wins a round against Moratti. This is a crazy hypothesis, but I hope that I am not just dreaming. If everything was already decided, why would he risk to look like a fool, especially after what Zidane said today.

Originally Posted by johncharles365

i love the fact that Christian and Samadinho are defending berlusconi lol you guys still don't get it he doesn't want the burden of Milan any more he is more interested in young women and his political career. you defending one the most corrupt politicians in western Europe and when i say that I am including france as well. If you analyse his rationales and motives you begin to understand that all he want is football club that doesn't cause him any hassle. I think every fans has the freedom to have a go berlusconi and he thoroughly deserve the insults chucked towards him. I don't want his puppet of a son to manage the club nor do i want his daughter to be cashier of milan. it not like the fans want the superstars of europe most of us want dzeko or santacrose hardly the ronaldo's of the world. most of all us milan fans want a bit common sense what the best way forward for milan and getting of a player that can secure milan top 4 finish each season is very dubious. Milan have given up so many top stars in recent years in faith that it would future success i am not too surprised that no one is fond of berlusconi and galliani anymore. I don't know any thing about you christian you may of been around in the mid 80s watching berlusconi rebuild milan and that why you stand by him but for me my earliest memories of Milan were of the 1996 season and i remember berlusconi not even turning up to watch games. Giving milan 20 million a euro to cover debts caused by calcio poli scandal and debt crunching buying is just not good enough. the only way i could forgive berlusconi for selling kaka is for him to come to the club and start running it again because out of all his organisation he is a natural born businessmen and knows how to turn a profit

First of all, I am not defending Berlu. If you want to talk politics, that's funny, because that's what I study and I am quite good at it.

I am not defending that man, he is a center-right politician of a club that is historically left-leaning. So what does that tell you about Berlu? He is a man of contradictions.

If you want to talk about Italian politics, its not exactly the most stable place in the world, so it would be best to stay away from the political-side of Berlu's dealings with Milan.

I have to admit, and you have as well, that Berlu is an exceptional businessman. He knows how to run a company, he has really grown in stature because of the intelligent business dealings.

Frankly, I have faith in Galli, because of the way he deals, not because of what he deals. Galli clearly follows the whims of Berlu. Berlu wanted Dinho, Galli got him Dinho, so I don't see how much fault you can place on Galli's shoulders when he is simply doing the will of his employer, which ultimately is the most important thing.

Yes, he serves a club, and to be honest, Galli has served Milan very well.

If you would look at my arguments for why our management is acting the way it is, then I think you'd be hard pressed to argue another way.

The truth of the matter is that Berlu might be a tad insane, but you really can't argue with his success. Honestly, for all the man's faults, his success is unquestioned.

The theatrical nature of his style is the big reason he is such a grand figure, and he knows that he can use that persona to his club's great advantage. Galli also uses misleading statements and confusion in order to get the real targets that Milan want.

If you dig enough, you'll find that every once in a while, you see the true Galli. He understands things, obviously. This is what he wakes up to the morning and this is how he brings food on the table, you and I are fans, and frankly, I'd trust his judgment more than yours or mine.

All I'm saying is that Milan functions in a way that makes it far more successful that oher clubs. Do you think that if Juve stopped talking all day about their love of Diego, that perhaps they'd be able to save a little more money? Milan rarely purchase players that they have been continuously linked to, and that makes sense, because it allows Milan to buy cheaper, and create more growth in the team.

I am a pro-Carlo guy, and I hope that Leonardo succeeds a la Pep, but if the sacking of Carlo with the replacement of Leonardo is anything to go by, it seems that Milan will be injecting some new players. However, I don't think Milan needs a massive overhaul. Why?

Pirlo has really started to come back to the form that we know of him the second half of this season. Flamini is finally blossoming, whether that be in midfield or RB. Gattuso has returned, Ambro is a faithful preformer, and Zambrotta is still one of the best RB's in Serie A. Pato scores goals, Inzaghi is a great option to have, while Milan can call upon the likes of Ronaldinho and Seedorf at will.

Seedorf might have lost a bit of form this year, and I prefer Dinho to him, but every player has his low times. Gattuso was not great last year, and I remember many people asking him to go, who is a great symbol of Milan.

The only real problem Milan has is in the center of defense, and possibily left-back. Zambro can play left, and Flamini is good at right, though it seems Flamini hates that role. I would love to bring in any of Grosso or Dossena in, but I think we are all missing the point as to why Milan is not shooting forward into transfers.

The transfers that Milan need are not in midfield, that is pretty clear. The striker position and the defense are the places where the focus is.

Our dealings with strikers hinges on Boriello's recovery, and if Paloschi returns or stays on loan at Parma for another year. Sheva is clearly on his way out, and a line of Boriello-Pato-Inzaghi-Paloschi is a top line.

Defense hinges on how Leonardo rates Bonera, Kaladze, and Antonini. But more importantly, on the health of Alessandro Nesta. If Nesta is healthy, then Milan will pursue Kjaer or some other player of that level. If Nesta's chances look poor, Milan will have to invest more, possibily in a more pricey option such as Mexes, etc.

So if we look at our mercato, and we think that Milan should just hurl themselves forward like Inter or Juve, then fine, suffer while you watch other teams. But, if you understand why Milan is doing what it is doing, then you can be calm and just be annoyed like me that all you have to hear about is Kaka leaving without getting even some clearly fake news that Santacroce is coming.

ps. Milan needs Santacroce, I don't know why Milan hasn't just bought him yet, even if Nesta plays 50 games next year, Santacroce is the future.

This gets more ridiculous all the time. Berlusconi is so full of crap he's turning into the sh1t monster from Dogma.

AC declare Ronaldo interest
Milan chief considers Manchester United star

Last updated: 4th June 2009

AC Milan president Silvio Berlusconi has declared that Cristiano Ronaldo would consider a move to his club.

The Manchester United superstar has been constantly linked with a move away from Old Trafford in recent years.

Claim after counterclaim has come, but Real Madrid have thus far been unable to prise him away after two summers of trying.

A third summer battle has already begun, but now another interested party could emerge in the shape of Milan.

And if Kaka's proposed world record sale to Real goes through - they would be well equipped to match any offer the Spanish giants may make to United.

Berlusconi was talking to his own Mediaset organisation and revealed he could be ready to battle for Ronaldo.

'I told Cristiano Ronaldo that I would like to see him as a Rossonero," he said.

"He looked at me, and said 'Who doesn't like Milan? All players would like to come to Milan'."

Like with all of Real's comments, Berlusconi's declarations are sure to be met with disdain by the English champions.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...364134,00.html

So on one hand he and Uncle Fester are pleading poverty and saying they may not be able to resist these big money offers from Real Madrid, etc. Then he turns around and says he thinks Ronaldo will come to Milan.

And by the way, it was totally inappropriate for him to say what he apparently did to Ronaldo. It's also inappropriate to reveal it.

And according to the Daily Mail poverty-ridden Milan is prepared to lay out 25 million pounds for Vidic.

AC Milan and Barcelona chase Manchester United's £25m Vidic

By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 8:12 AM on 04th June 2009
When it rains: Mrs Vidic isn't happy with the Manchester climate

Manchester United face a battle to keep hold of defensive kingpin Nemanja Vidic, with AC Milan and Barcelona eager to sign him.

Sportsmail revealed last month that United had concerns as Vidic’s wife Ana has struggled to settle in Manchester and is keen on moving away from the city to a better climate.

Now Milan and Barca hope to capitalise on the Serb’s predicament and tempt him away with a bumper £25million deal and the benefits of a new environment.

United will resist all offers for the 27-year-old, who has just enjoyed an outstanding season.

He is pivotal to their plans and hugely popular with staff and fans alike, but club
insiders say they recognise there could be a problem.

Vidic feels that Old Trafford is the best place for his football career but is worried about the strain which could be placed upon that if his wife remains unhappy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...25m-Vidic.html

Originally Posted by johncharles365

i love the fact that Christian and Samadinho are defending berlusconi lol you guys still don't get it he doesn't want the burden of Milan any more he is more interested in young women and his political career. you defending one the most corrupt politicians in western Europe and when i say that I am including france as well. If you analyse his rationales and motives you begin to understand that all he want is football club that doesn't cause him any hassle. I think every fans has the freedom to have a go berlusconi and he thoroughly deserve the insults chucked towards him. I don't want his puppet of a son to manage the club nor do i want his daughter to be cashier of milan. it not like the fans want the superstars of europe most of us want dzeko or santacrose hardly the ronaldo's of the world. most of all us milan fans want a bit common sense what the best way forward for milan and getting of a player that can secure milan top 4 finish each season is very dubious. Milan have given up so many top stars in recent years in faith that it would future success i am not too surprised that no one is fond of berlusconi and galliani anymore. I don't know any thing about you christian you may of been around in the mid 80s watching berlusconi rebuild milan and that why you stand by him but for me my earliest memories of Milan were of the 1996 season and i remember berlusconi not even turning up to watch games. Giving milan 20 million a euro to cover debts caused by calcio poli scandal and debt crunching buying is just not good enough. the only way i could forgive berlusconi for selling kaka is for him to come to the club and start running it again because out of all his organisation he is a natural born businessmen and knows how to turn a profit

All I'm trying to say is that people should show some respect to Berlusconi, if not for what he's doing now, then for what he has done for Milan. I don't live in Italy, so frankly, I don't know a whole lot about his politics.

It's true that Berlusconi has lost interest in Milan over the years, it's natural, he has owned the club for more than two decades, and during those two decades we've been the undisputed best club in Europe. People are acting like Galliani and Berlusconi are acting against Milan's interests, like Berlusconi wants to sell Kaka to put the money in his pocket so he can get a brand new Ferrari. Do you know how insane that sounds??? Milan is a football club, he has spent alot of money on our club during the years, and surely if he needed actual funds, he'd start selling some stakes in Milan to the rich arabs who are intersted.

It's not to say that Berlusconi doesn't do things with Milan that I'm completly against. Things like meddling with the transfers, buying players we don't need, like Ronaldinho (even though I've always been a big fan of his).

Regarding Galliani, he knows that every Milan fan loves Kaka, he knows that it will damage our imagine if Kaka leaves. He's not stupid, like some people would like to think. So why would he sell him? One reason could be that we simply can't afford to keep him without getting an injection from Berlusconi. Remember we weren't in Champions League last season (Which B&G surely were to blame for, I wont deny that) and lost alot of money on that. The other reason could be for sporting reasons, which I hope. Some reports suggest that we would get some of their dutchmen in return, plus the 65M. In all honosty we might be better off getting someone like Robben plus 3-4 world class players, than keeping Kaka, it's hard to say.

Anyway, I just think some people are to eager to complain about everything. Like Samaldinho said, Galliani has never come out and said what players we would buy. Yet everybody is complaining that we hardly even is being linked with anybody right now. I say we wait and see what they actually decide to do, before we complain about the transfers. That's not to say that we shouldn't protest the sale of Kaka, like the Ultra's are doing. It's important to let everybody know the fans stance.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

Pirlo has really started to come back to the form that we know of him the second half of this season. Flamini is finally blossoming, whether that be in midfield or RB. Gattuso has returned, Ambro is a faithful preformer, and Zambrotta is still one of the best RB's in Serie A. Pato scores goals, Inzaghi is a great option to have, while Milan can call upon the likes of Ronaldinho and Seedorf at will.

Seedorf might have lost a bit of form this year, and I prefer Dinho to him, but every player has his low times. Gattuso was not great last year, and I remember many people asking him to go, who is a great symbol of Milan.

The only real problem Milan has is in the center of defense, and possibily left-back. Zambro can play left, and Flamini is good at right, though it seems Flamini hates that role. I would love to bring in any of Grosso or Dossena in, but I think we are all missing the point as to why Milan is not shooting forward into transfers.

The transfers that Milan need are not in midfield, that is pretty clear. The striker position and the defense are the places where the focus is.

Our dealings with strikers hinges on Boriello's recovery, and if Paloschi returns or stays on loan at Parma for another year. Sheva is clearly on his way out, and a line of Boriello-Pato-Inzaghi-Paloschi is a top line.

Defense hinges on how Leonardo rates Bonera, Kaladze, and Antonini. But more importantly, on the health of Alessandro Nesta. If Nesta is healthy, then Milan will pursue Kjaer or some other player of that level. If Nesta's chances look poor, Milan will have to invest more, possibily in a more pricey option such as Mexes, etc.

So if we look at our mercato, and we think that Milan should just hurl themselves forward like Inter or Juve, then fine, suffer while you watch other teams. But, if you understand why Milan is doing what it is doing, then you can be calm and just be annoyed like me that all you have to hear about is Kaka leaving without getting even some clearly fake news that Santacroce is coming.

ps. Milan needs Santacroce, I don't know why Milan hasn't just bought him yet, even if Nesta plays 50 games next year, Santacroce is the future.

With all due repect im a fan of optimism, the glass half and all that but yours appears to be spilling over...

The team is far from Ok as it is never mind if Kaka does go too many players on the wrong side of 30 for one...you are right a player can have peaks and troughs through out his careers but while this is understandable in his 20’s when a player is 33 ala Seedorf it is right to start asking questions.

The midfield 3 with Pirlo flanked by 2 defensive midfielders is not dynamic or adventurous enough Seedorf is not able to play in this midfield any more but Milan did have arguably the best midfield trio of Seedorf Pirlo and Rino in Europe for a large part of this Century. If you look across the best teams in Europe today the midfield consists of dynamic players who are not just good on the ball but their movement is excellent off the ball as well which is why we require at least one affordable midfielder of this type, Hernanes comes to mind, unproven on the biggest stage but then so was Kaka. Only question mark would be that he would take up the last non-eu. An alternative could be Hamsik.

As for up front the R10 we see today is a shadow of the player he used to be yes there is the occasional bit of Ronnie magic he even smiles the same...but something isn’t right. For one his acceleration seems to have gone that ability to ghost past the last defender I don’t if it’s wholly physical maybe it’s psychological or a combination of both. Maybe he can prove his doubters wrong...I have my doubts.

The excellent Tim Vickery BBC South American football correspondent seems to think that his problems stems from the 2006 world cup, in Brazil it was being billed as the world cup where R10 would cement his place in history as Brazils greatest ever player surpassing even Pele and we all know that didn’t happen. Maybe the analysis is too simple but the timing does fit in with his steady decline. Either way i question whether he the man to pin our hopes on.

Other forward positions Pato is an exceptional talent at times inconsistent and his decision making needs refining but that his to be expected from one so young.

Inzaghi is another Milan player that appears to be defying time but at 36 not someone you want to depend upon. As for Boriello didn’t think he was Milan material when he came back granted he has had bad luck with injuries but a forward is required. What type depends on the formation we will adopt next season 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2. R10 favours a wider position in 4-3-3 maybe our link with Lavezzi might have some truth to it with Pato through the middle

Defence is where the biggest concerns are Flamini did a job at right back but at times he was caught out tactically and in positional sense dont think is the long term solution. Zambrotta had a par season in my opinion started off well but form tailed off as season progressed. He is 32 should be ok next season but maybe at left back Janku for me is not up to scratch. One full back right or left is required.

At centre back biggest concern is Nesta i know he returned for the last game and it was great to see him back but there has to be question about how many games he can be expected to play next season. A centre back is a definite Santacroce or Zapata would be my choice both have a great up side. Young pacey experienced in Serie a and room for improvement and they can play at right back if necessary as i believe Thiago Silva can.

Finally the goal keeper situation Abbiati was doing a reasonable job and as I understand it will be out most of 2009 which leaves us with Dida as 1st choice he performed well in the last few weeks.

Just realised how long the post is got carried away. Apologies

Originally Posted by prle

Something is not right.

Deep down inside i hope that this is all a mask,for real to get Cr7!

I never even thought of this. Nice thought. Could be very true. I still think Kaka's staying I never thought for a second he was going to leave.