Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Berlu wants his attack to look like this

------------Pato--------------
Dinho------Kaka---------CR7
--Hernanes/Essien----Gattuso
Zambro---Nesta---T. Silva----Flamini
Abbiati

This is too good, it wount happen in this world.

IF Perez is our president than maybe

Whoever thinks CR7 will come to Milan is on some really good drugs. Vidic too. Forget about them. Even with Dubai money.

I am hoping that Berlusconi is simply delaying the Dubai sale until after the elections (it doesn't look good selling out your team).

Also, I think when Leo said he likes to play with wings, he didn't mean wingers, he meant attacking full backs, like how Brazil always have. So no Malouda.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

So, Rick, still optimistic?

I honestly don't know what's going to happen, but even if Kaka' wants to stay, can he? It's like they are forcing him out.

thank you for your help, Hasan.

as for the above point, Kaka said his decision to remain was final, didn't he?

to me he sounded too confident and definitive for someone who thought he had no choice but to leave.

That was one thing which was bothering me. The confidence and final-ness of his last words. Even in this short interview, his affection for fans is seeping through his words. Would he say it if he knew he was going to be forced out and break our hearts into pieces?

Originally Posted by brk

Whoever thinks CR7 will come to Milan is on some really good drugs. Vidic too. Forget about them. Even with Dubai money.

I am hoping that Berlusconi is simply delaying the Dubai sale until after the elections (it doesn't look good selling out your team).

Also, I think when Leo said he likes to play with wings, he didn't mean wingers, he meant attacking full backs, like how Brazil always have. So no Malouda.

Excellent post.

Leonardo speciffically said he will ask for attacking movement from fullbacks. And that he'll work on wide play more. That doesnt mean 4-4-2 sistem. It simply means Milan will do what we needed to do in past 3 years more oftenly, play a bit wider.

Maybe Berlusconi will sell 40% after the elections and that would enable us to keep Kaka'. I wouldnt mind this. Berlusconi is a "good guy", Milan solves the debt and can operate on mercato in normal fashion.

But its only a nice thought...

I don't know. I'd rather pin my hopes on a deus ex machina than face the reality that Kaka is leaving.

Or simply, Kaka' is sold and Berlusconi will "talk" to him on sunday and he'll be Mardids player on monday as everyone says.

While you all are freaking out, guess what Berlu just said? “Kaka might not necessarily leave.”

Oh, wow. This sounds really similar to something that a team, they wear red and black, and they have this player, they went through something similar. Wait for it, it will come to me, I just can't put my finger on it.

OH YEAH! THIS IS THE EXACT SCRIPT FROM JANUARY!

So, please calm down. I would rather talk about fantasy signings and what people would do if they were manager then listening to this Kaka hysteria and I don't know why people would want to get rid of Pirlo, do you guys watch the games? He pulls the strings for our side.

Why would we want to play with wingers? Did you notice that Barca stopped playing Messi and Henry in winger-type positions against Man Utd? Against Chelsea, that is what they did and they were pushed to the end. Teams that play with wingers are going to die out soon, the 4-3-1-2 formation and other variants is the most balanced. The game is too physical these days to expect a player to have the power to cover the wings, defend, and attack. Why do you think Mourinho has abandoned his 4-3-3?

Teams with 4-3-3's can win sometimes, that I won't deny. But Barca played more a 4-3-1-2 against Man Utd, and if Milan was so predictable then why haven't, when we have a full squad, been able to be thoroughly defeated?

If you can tell me, that when Milan is healthy, that we have really been "found out" then we just won't agree on anything, because frankly, a healthy Milan is a downright frightening machine. We have played the most beautiful football in ratio to being the most successful the last 8 years, have you forgotten that?

Leonardo himself said that he wants to play a 4-3-1-2 formation, and I think it will look more like this (at least I hope it does):

-------------Abbiati
-Zambro--Nesta--Santa(PLEASE!)/Thiago--Grosso (please!)
--------------Pirlo
----Gattuso--------Flamini
-----------Ronaldinho
----Pato----------------Kaka

If you watch the early days of Dinho at Milan, when Milan were playing fantastic, with both Kaka and Dinho (Inter game espiecially) you can see that Kaka was pushed up more. They played so well together, it's just that Kaka's game is far less about creativity than pushing forward, and Dinho is a far more creative force.

Kaka's best season with Milan came when he was less of a trequartista and more of a second-striker, so why not try it again?

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

I'm surprised no one has said anything about Kalstroem6's post (thanks for that, could you say the source?). It's in Italian but has some really interesting news. For a start, it goes on about Kaka, nothing new just the usual stuff reported.

Then it outlines that Leonardo wants a younger squad that's is capable of running. Apparently, Eto'o is in touch with Galliani about a transfer but it looks unlikely as he'd have to reduce his salary to almost half, and so for the attack, we're trying to retrieve Paloschi, who Parma are doing their utmost to keep it seems (they announced it too). There's no other mention of forwards, which I presume that not only Paloschi would return.

It then says we're looking at Hernanes for around 20m euros, which would be a bet like we made with Pato, but is necessary for a stronger squad.

Also, it still seems possible Seedorf might leave, and so we're looking at Mariga of Parma (who I've spoken of many times) and Dzemaili (currently in Torino, though I don't know a great deal about him).

After Berlu's declarations about the defence, it seems unlikely we'll get a star and we're looking at Astori coming back and Albertazzi being promoted (after looking at his progress first). However, other names possible are Santacroce (I hope so), Pisano (Cagliari LB) and Salvatore Bocchetti (Genoa CB/LB).

Looking at it, a potentially interesting mercato should these deals happen. I still think we need a forward of sort and doubt Paloschi is the answer (not at this point of his career anyway).

In midfield, we'd get a couple of interesting surprises and should Hernanes and Mariga come I'd be happy with the reinforcements.

Finally, the defence is interesting. Astori hasn't really played any part of Cagliari's season, but Francesco Pisano is the LB there and has potential to do well in his career. The other is Bocchetti who was part of the high achieving Genoa side this season and is another young guy full of potential. I wouldn't be too worried should one of these guys come with Santacroce (I won't go on about him).

Our mercato could look like this (or similar):

New forward
Hernanes
Mariga
Pisano or Bochetti
Santacroce

For me, that would be an excellent mercato should it happen, we'd finally be freshening the squad with some quality players. In addition, I think there's still a fair chance of Abate coming back, especially as Leo wants to play with width, so he's another maybe to add to that list.



I'm guessing Perez wants his attack to look like...

-------------Huntelaar--------------
CR7----------Kaka-----------Ribery-


Bonera news isn't bad imo, he's a decent backup.

The source is GDS for all reports.

Originally Posted by Vulli

Kaka: Tranquilli resto a Milano

Calmdown, I"m staying at Milan

Have we underestimated to which degree Milan is a political tool for Berlusconi?

I dont entirely agree Samaldinho. The arguments you pose about wingers isn't entirely appropriate.

The reason Barca didn't play Messi on the wing in the final was because he was far too effective and dangerous to be left on the wing. Also he can marked out more effectively if he plays on the wing (like against Chelsea). Plus he forms a lethal trio with Xavi and Iniesta when he drops deep as a striker. It was a tactical change that paid off. In fact, the only games Messi has played upfront are the big games where Eto'o is usually marked out of the game.

Plus I haven't seen Henry play as a ST this entire season. He has always stuck to the wide role and has become brilliant at it.

Inter have abandoned 4-3-3 because they lacked quality wingers.

We have lacked wing play because the full backs cant play in the opposition third and it's evident how most attacks were through the middle (this was before Becks came in).

All the top European teams are playing wingers be it Barca, ManU, Liverpool, Bayern etc. The ones who didnt were the Italian teams dubbed as 'flops'. Chelsea as well but they did want Robinho right? They were forced to play a 4-4-2 at times and towards the end of the season they started playing Anelka as a RW.

In fact with the kind of changes EPL has seen in terms of the kind of players, winger with pace and dribbling skills are going be crucial in the coming years. Teams will eventually shift to similar styles of atleast 1 big target man, pacy wingers, dedicated DMs and tall, strongs CBs. And remember these are the most successful European teams. So much so that we're calling out for Adebayor as a ST.

Sad but true.

Originally Posted by devoted_dm

Have we underestimated to which degree Milan is a political tool for Berlusconi?

You know, I think we are looking at this whole political-side of Berlu waay too much.

We forget that he owns Mediaset, which owns about half of the television audience in Italy, plus the largest publishing house in all of Italy.

What better way to bring people to his channels, newspapers, etc by creating this sort of noise? The economic isn't doing too well, and I'm sure he knows he has to bring people in.

Think about what people who are stirred up by the fear of Kaka leaving, with the announcement of his stay at Milan, people will buy new Kaka shirts, posters, and other Milan merchandise.

I think there is a greater plan here than we give Berlu credit for. It's a shame he's such a shady character.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

You know, I think we are looking at this whole political-side of Berlu waay too much.

We forget that he owns Mediaset, which owns about half of the television audience in Italy, plus the largest publishing house in all of Italy.

What better way to bring people to his channels, newspapers, etc by creating this sort of noise? The economic isn't doing too well, and I'm sure he knows he has to bring people in.

Think about what people who are stirred up by the fear of Kaka leaving, with the announcement of his stay at Milan, people will buy new Kaka shirts, posters, and other Milan merchandise.

I think there is a greater plan here than we give Berlu credit for. It's a shame he's such a shady character.

If people fall for that more than once then it's the people's fault too. I have zero interest in him continuing to own Milan though.

Also, I want to add that Berlusconi is not in need for a political boost. He is leading by a "landslide majority" in the polls.

Check this article out:
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...pe-votes-italy)

Originally Posted by boring

I dont entirely agree Samaldinho. The arguments you pose about wingers isn't entirely appropriate.

The reason Barca didn't play Messi on the wing in the final was because he was far too effective and dangerous to be left on the wing. Also he can marked out more effectively if he plays on the wing (like against Chelsea). Plus he forms a lethal trio with Xavi and Iniesta when he drops deep as a striker. It was a tactical change that paid off. In fact, the only games Messi has played upfront are the big games where Eto'o is usually marked out of the game.

Plus I haven't seen Henry play as a ST this entire season. He has always stuck to the wide role and has become brilliant at it.

Inter have abandoned 4-3-3 because they lacked quality wingers.

We have lacked wing play because the full backs cant play in the opposition third and it's evident how most attacks were through the middle (this was before Becks came in).

All the top European teams are playing wingers be it Barca, ManU, Liverpool, Bayern etc. The ones who didnt were the Italian teams dubbed as 'flops'. Chelsea as well but they did want Robinho right? They were forced to play a 4-4-2 at times and towards the end of the season they started playing Anelka as a RW.

In fact with the kind of changes EPL has seen in terms of the kind of players, winger with pace and dribbling skills are going be crucial in the coming years. Teams will eventually shift to similar styles of atleast 1 big target man, pacy wingers, dedicated DMs and tall, strongs CBs. And remember these are the most successful European teams. So much so that we're calling out for Adebayor as a ST.

Sad but true.

I would disagree with your characterizations of many of the teams you named.

Man Utd, for instance, has really stopped playing the staggered 4-4-2 that Sir Alex was famous for. He has switched to a formation that, on paper, looks like a 4-3-3, but really, it functions differently.

Their formation in that game was

-----Van
--OShea--Vidic--Rio--Evra
---Ander--Carrick--Giggs
--Park---Ronaldo--Rooney

It was clear that Park was not playing as a winger, with Rooney running around like a man possessed, and Ronaldo certainly wasn't playing as a winger either.

Barca lined up like so:

---Val
-defense (I'm lazy)
--Xavi--Busquets--Iniesta
----Messi---Henry
---------E'too

Again, on the surface, it looks like wingers. Henry, I will grant you played "on the wing" but I think we forget that is what Henry has done no matter what position he has been played in.

Messi played all most exactly in the same way that Kaka did in 2007. Direct, through the center, with a trio of midfielders behind him. Messi was on hand in the center to get a cross from Xavi, a central midfielder.

Mourinho at Chelsea had a 4-3-3 because wingers work in England because of the pace of the game and the horrid standard of defending in the league. However, I think he quickly learned that wingers do not bring the sort of consistency and strength needed for Serie A.

In fact, the only time Mourinho had success in Europe, both in the UEFA Cup and in the Champions League, he played 4-3-1-2 formations.

If you look at how Inter has been forming, it is obvious from the CL debacle that is Inter, they realize that pure strikers do not win CLs, your wild card has to be more of a number 10, or 7. Deco would make the most sense for Inter, someone in that style of play.

So honestly, I do not wingers. I do not see the system to be very beneficial or providing the sort of rigid organization that modern football requires.

I see the use of a winger to change the tactical line-up of a team mid-game, but, to rely on wingers, and that means usually crossing and lack of true creative forces through the center, also means that crossing would be the relied upon tactic in order to score. Unless those crosses are coming from the foot of David Beckham, that sort of game doesn't work very well. Why do you think Ronaldo has been simply made into a striker at Man Utd? His delivery is poor.

I just read Oddo speaking about returning to Milan. I don't think it would be that bad to bring him back. At least for a year, and have him take the right and give Zambro the left, that would make life a lot easier for Milan, and if nothing else, provide us more depth. Thoughts?